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    "Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

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    Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

    In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

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  • #981
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    An irrelevant observation.

    The subscription early bird price plus the International shipping charge that was necessarily added to my order came out to a sum that is 5 cents more than the regular subscription price. Just my 5 cents worth, I guess.

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    So here we go again ... :-)

    Yes, I would love to see 6-9/10-73 released, as Dave's Picks or a box set it doesn't matter. The 6-10-73 show was one of my first tapes in early Spring 1985, after having my first tape traders ad in the fifth issue of The Golden Road fanzine. I listened to that show several times and it was actually the first time I heard a longer Playin' Inte The Band apart from that on Skull n Roses. I loved it and it totally blew my mind. I go back from time to time and re-listen to it. It still blows my mind a bit.

    Other than that I don't have any special desires for releases that I can think of, except the usual about Fall 1966 to Fall 1968 bits and pieces thing. Well maybe some hot shows from Summer to Winter 1970 but I guess there aren't that many of those in the Vault or anyone could have been included with the 50th anniversary Workingman's Dead album.

    As for those of you who requests more shows from 1980's and 90's, it feels like Dave has gotten a taste for those after this Summer's Shakedown Streams. I may be wrong but that's what I feel "in the air". Myself I'm not a big fan of about 1986-95 but I do appreciate really good inspired shows to a certain degree from that era.

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    Thoughts

    How many Daves are releases of outdoor shows, and how many are indoor?

    Perhaps Greek shows will released as 40th anniversary series.

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    Dead.net is selling tie-dye kits!!...

    ....its about time.
    jrf68. Good to hear from you dude. And if Dave's 38 is 6.10.73, I will eat my acid.
    🤞

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    6/10/73

    At this point.. this might just be the holy grail of what's left. I can't see it becoming a Dave's Picks either, but I like the way you think, KF.

    12/18/73 might be a better tent pole for a DaP subscription year. I bet there is at least one show per release year of this quality, give or take no more and no less. It would be interesting to look at what's remaining this way.. Call shows of this caliber A+ shows and estimate 15 more years or so.. I would put the 77 Swing, 1/2/70, 1/22/78, Richmond '77, Winterland 74, etc. in this category. Toss in an A or an A- each year and spread in the best of what's left and that's probably what the next decade and a half are going to look like.

    By the time we receive the last Dave's Picks I expect to be receiving my last morphine drip in hospice care.

    Right there with you, JRF.. avoid the chop job. I think there is black and white video of the Duke 78 show, and it's quite good. The more I think about it the more Spring 78 makes sense for the first pick next season.

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    Filler...

    4-12....Cameron Indoor Stadium~Duke University?
    I'd be plenty torn between the joy of a Normanized Duke, and the horror of it being a chop job.

    Stay safe out there folks...

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    Best use of 6-10-73

    Is in a Box containing 6-9,10 and 7-27,28 ABB and GD shows.
    Not a limited release, online and in store sales.
    ABB fans will buy it whether they like GD or not, which will drive more sales and all parties will make money.
    And we come out the winners.

    Plus, that means that DaP 38 with bonus can be a Pigpen release.

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    Let's be honest, RFK '73

    Probably not. Isn't that what keeps this fun, anyhow?

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    Keithfan is the MAN!

    "I'm Finally Going To Make A Correct Prediction: Dave's Picks 38 will be RFK 6/10/73."

    Seems like this show is overdue and after two '80s shows and a spring '78, ya gotta figure Dave's gonna throw us something truly vintage.

    I read that the PTB had indeed mixed a small box of GD and ABB from the (2) RFK shows, plus Watkins Glen -- just selections of the hottest stuff. That project got shelved, but I never learned why.

    And you may recall that I attended 6-9-73 in fine fashion and had to walk away from 6-10-73 because a) we were 15 years old and shouldn't have been loose on the town hundreds of miles from home with blotter and opium, b) we had zero money, food or water, c) we were supposed to be in school the next day, and, of course d) we were idiots.

    I'll never that one down. So, um, DAVE??? Can you help us out???

    Edit: JimInMD, my "thinking" is that ABCD simply got their cash costs covered in one fell swoop, and that they don't get royalties. Dave doesn't have to commit to ABCD releases. It's just that he has ~100 shows from the returned ABCD tapes to play with and they're primarily from 1971 to 1978, thus providing Dave with a shit ton to leaven the more esoteric/rare shows as he goes forward on his mad plan to keep this going until I need a walker. That was my thought... but we're too far along in this weird year for me to be confident that I'm making any sense.

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    I am not sure I see the point of specifying the release density of the ABCD returned reels over time. Not to be contrary, but it just doesn't make sense. It's in Dead Merch/Rhino's interest to control when things get released compared to the non-ABCD's that are in the vault. It's in the other parties interest to get paid in one lump sum and not base payment on some unknown variable (like sales at a future date, etc.). I just couldn't see this being in either parties best interest. Plus it makes the deal more complex.

    Then again, all this is pure speculation. Just a different perspective, regardless of the facts I am so glad the tapes made their way home. Have a great weekend.. as you were.

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"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

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Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 01/07/2021 - 17:17

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Sweet, yeah so I guess the Collection I have is from 2003 Criterion Collections (got em from the library).

Sounds like they've up their game for the 2017 & 2020 versions.

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 03:17

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That's an incredible clip - thanks for posting that. No wonder Jimi Hendrix burned his guitar having to follow that ! I'll go and have a look on Amazon and see if that 50th Anniversary is available here in England. Hopefully it is-and it would also be good if it included some Quicksilver.

I've just had a look, and I presume the blu ray 2017 release is the one with the Dead in it. Its a two disc set-but it doesn't mention The Dead in Amazons description of what's included.

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Submitted by musicnow on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 08:13

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Hey Proudfoot! I was at that show. Only have a copy on cassette. How did you get it on disc? I've been hoping for a release someday.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 08:34

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Philly 8-05-74...what a show...the China -> Rider melted my socks down...blasting on the headphones so my Honey won't say turn it down....Ha...thank you Charlie Miller...

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Submitted by nappyrags on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 08:39

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10-20-84 was released last November on the Bittorent sites by Charlie Miller...great sounding board...

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 09:24

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@DaveRock, I believe based on what I'm discovering (after Carlo13 turned me on to it) that the 2017 Monterey Blue Ray has a 9 minute edit of the Grateful Dead at Monterey Pop which they state was - "the entirety of what the film crew shot” according to the disc menu.

Good review of that collection in comparison to previous releases here - https://criterioncast.com/reviews/blu-ray-reviews/complete-monterey-pop…

But Carlo13 mentioned that the Blu Ray version states that there's a 15 minute version of their performance on this release, which he's currently waiting to receive.

@Carlo13, did I get that right? We're excited for you to get that puppy, but probably not as excited as you are :)

EDITED with some corrections provided by @Carlo 13.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 11:34

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It's kind of confusing but the 2017 50th anniversary blu-ray edition is 3 disk with the 15 min. version of viola. and there is no 2020 version. The most up to date one which does have quicksilver messenger service by the way Daverock, is the 2017- 3 disk box.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 01/08/2021 - 12:07

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Thanks Man for the further clarification. I'm trying to get it right :)
They definitely make it hard to tell what's what.
I guess you'd need to do that to keep selling material that's been released multiple times since it's creation 53 years ago.

Speaking of...
Anybody on here have that 50th Anniversary Woodstock monster box?
Curious about that St. Stephen :)

Good Stuff.

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Submitted by cjm on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 05:34

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I've got that monster box. St. Stephen sounds typical for 1969 but it's very short because after the "wishing well" verse they transition very smoothly into Mama Tried, also well played. After that, it sounds to me like they're getting ready for High Time, but maybe not, I'm not too good at guessing these things, but instead there is 11 minutes of stage banter.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 06:43

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Thanks for the Info!

I'm curious if what was released has the small splice in the beginning of the Stephen track that seems to exist in all the circulating SBDs.

I've got the SBD but would love to compare what was released in the 50th collection and in particular St. Stephen.

Would love to get a copy of their set from that release if you want to trade.

I'm sure I'd have something cool to offer or lmk if you're looking for something in particular.

LMK if you'd be interested

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Submitted by pkb on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 08:02

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Any chance you can link this in a DM? I checked bt.etree.org and couldn't located it.

I just got the 2017 3-BluRay version and already had the 2009 2-BluRay version.
The 2009 version has an ‘Outtakes’ bonus material on the same disc as the main movie. It does not have Viola.
The 2017 version has the Outtakes separately on a third disc. It has Viola and it’s about 9 minutes long. The disc also has other bands that aren’t included in the 2009 Outtakes, but it seems to be snippets. Steve Miller was added, a total of 3-4 minutes, fragments of 2 songs.
Also added was 4 songs of Tiny Tim performed in the Green Room of the festival.

So, if you already have the 2009 version, the only real addition in the 2017 version that matters is Viola. And it’s pretty cool, but you can see it on YouTube.
If there is an audio upgrade, then that might be worth getting the 2017 version. Otherwise they, so far, seem almost the same.
I haven’t checked the movie yet, or Hendrix/Otis which is disc 2 of both releases.
A remastering to 4K video is meaningless compared to 1080p because the source film is not high res.
But, an audio upgrade of Hendrix, along with the addition of Viola, would make it worthwhile to get the 2017 version even if you have the 2009 version.
If you don’t have any version, then get the 2017 version. The movie is a great historical time capsule.

Checking the 2017 Outtakes disc menu:
Day 2: Steve Miller and Moby Grape were added.
Day 3: GD added.
Hunt Club added - this is the festival Green Room with Tiny Tim singing.

Just compared the video quality of The Byrds between the 2009 and 2017 versions and it looks identical.
Hopefully there is a noticeable audio upgrade of Hendrix, otherwise the 2017 version just seems like a cash grab.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 09:08

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who brought VLB to the GD.

A great jamming vehicle.

BWAAAAAAA!!!!!!....buh buh buh buhbuhbuh buh buh buh buuuh buh

:)))

Check out 11/10/67

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 11:20

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Bam, I'm hip now.
I think that's what I needed to know.

Hey I sent you a PM.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 13:36

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I should have clarified:

Which band member first said, "hey guys, we should do this song called Viola Lee Blues"

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 14:03

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It was probaly Jerry as I am sure from his earlier pickin' days he would've been aware of Gus Cannon's work which also included Minglewood, Big Railroad Blues etc

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 19:24

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Went to pick up 3 donuts today; I get to the counter, lady tells me the couple in front of me paid for a dozen donuts for me; didn't know them may never see them again. There are some very fine and kind people in this world.
In case you're wondering, it happened at Rolling Pin Delicious Donuts, in San Bruno, Ca. highly recommended if you're in the area. Donut ease me in.

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Submitted by JoshByTheBay on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 19:57

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BROOOO ROLLING PIN = KING OF THE SOUTH BAY
Once every month I get me and my family a couple dozen donut holes they're literally the best

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 01/09/2021 - 22:26

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Ice cream confirmed the Monterey fiasco. 9 min. Viola. The new version has much less plastic packaging which is good. I would recommend buying the new version. The jimi hendrix motherlode is worth the entire purchase. Janis and big brother are almost too good to be true. Jimi playing wild thing almost brings tears to the eyes. I wish I could copy it for you but dont have the means.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 04:48

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maybe naps took care of you, but here is a copy

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 06:29

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Thanks Man, I'm glad you got it!

Yeah, I'd say Janis and Jimi and The Who stole the show, maybe throw Ravi & Otis in there as well.

The event that made Pop into Rock

I really enjoy the included audio commentary and the 1987 Pete Townsend interview.

Some day I'll see those fully restored nine minutes until then there's always YouTube.

I'll either have to decide to step up to BluRay or get invited to a Monterey Pop viewing party ;)

But big thanks to you and ConeKid for letting me know exactly what's out there, because I've been curious about that for awhile!

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 07:21

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You can also do a 1 week free trial to the the Criterion channel(Roku has it), the extended Monterey is in there; along with some great other flicks.

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 11:01

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Going off memory from when I last saw it, Country Joe and the Fish were the trippiest. Not much doubt that the doors of perception were open there.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 01/10/2021 - 11:34

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Hopefully Dave & co. will release a stand alone release this year like the two acoustic Warfield shows, or 4/18/70 Family Dog show they released a couple of years ago. I would like to see 6/27/69 or 10/31/69 released as stand alone releases, both cool shows.

This live footage of the Dead from Monterey is Sweet!

By far the best live footage available of the band from this year.
(Not saying that much as there's very little)

Had YouTube stuff for years but quality is rough. The official release quality is the best yet. (duh)

Big Thanks to Carlo13, IceCrmCnKd & Cousins Of The… for letting me know about this source.

Free trial at the Criterion Channel recommended.
Check out the boys in this formative stage of their career if you're into that kind of stuff.
And if not.. well?!?!

Plus you can watch all of the Monterey Pop Festival and bonus stuff.

Way Stoked!!

You all rock, made my day, keep up the good work.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 00:13

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Proudfoot, they play a great version of Golden Road on 3/18/67 at Winterland, they only played it live 3 times. 3/18/67 is a great show and I would think a great release. Great copy on the Archive.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 07:25

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Pretty sure the 5/5/67 date is incorrect.
I believe it's being attributed to 9/29/67 Straight Theater at this point.
There's some pretty dope blog posts about this tape and the dating of it at DeadEssays blog (I think?)

So we've got the 3/18/67 version and the thought to be 9/29/67 version.. which would make it plausible that this song got a bunch more plays than we have on tape.
1967 is a black hole for tapes.
Most under represented year?

Just goes to show how important Bear's role was in recording the Dead.
I think we can thank him as the reason we're all here today.
Thanks Bear!

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 08:35

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I think "Same Thing" with Pig on vocals is on So Many Roads set -- excellent sound, do I recall Jer on slide?

Let's have it!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 09:40

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the disc i have (labelled 5/5/67) has The Golden Road into New Potato Caboose (with Bobby saying at the start of NPC something like, "this one's for Lahklin")

"everybody say, 'PRIMATE'!"

9/29/67 I recall Mickey saying it was his first show with them, and "we really did play Alligator for 2 hours!"

That's my memory, at least

Yeah, you'd probably dig the thinking behind dating that show as 9/29/67.

A lot of the thought process is based on that comment by Bob and the Dance, Dance, Dance comment.

It's kinda fascinating to a geek like me.

I'll have to look for the link.
* "I'll tell you exactly what's going on up here so nobody has to wonder anymore." - Jerry
"Lay it on me." - Bob
"We're Stalling.." - Jerry
* My favorite banter ever.

In the meantime 3/18/67 is always worth listening to again!

Enjoy :)

EDIT - Links -
DeadEssays - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2018/06/1967-show-list.html
Here's what they say -
This tape circulates dated “5/5/67;” there is one drummer. Deadbase 50 suggests this tape comes from 6/15/67, but 9/29 is the likeliest date: Weir dedicates a song to (Chandler) Laughlin, who’d just gotten out of prison on a drug bust and been hired as a DJ by KMPX; Weir also alludes to the ‘drop out and dance’ poster.

That links to LIA's research in regards to this show and their comments are here -
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/1967-dead-tapes.html?showComment…

IMO LIA's research and logic is solid, dude is my hero. So thorough.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 10:40

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9/29/67

I was 3.5 year old boy somewhere in the Midwest.

TOTALLY oblivious to the GD, of course.

2/25/66 (labelled as such) happened when I was TWO freakin' years old.

Wow.

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Submitted by JoshByTheBay on Mon, 01/11/2021 - 20:16

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Anyone have any idea for when they'll begin shipping this for pre-orders? Just curious cause dead net = snail mail at this point. Other than that, we REALLY need an Ark Box Set *love the Viola Lee from 4/21* and MUCH LOVE!

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