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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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September 23, 2023 - 4:43pm

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1stshow70878

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5-10-72 Amsterdam (+ 5-11 Rotterdam)

I really liked this one. Part of that may have been a good focused late night listen. Mix was slightly different with more Bob, maybe less Keith? That highlighted by Bob's interesting work in China>Rider too. They attempted to slow the tempo in the Rider part but not everyone caught the drift there. Maybe I liked it for the set list and song order again which I found appealing in more than one of the tour so far. It does seem to be the difference some times in what I perceive as a good show. Highlights: Loser, Big Boss Man, TOO which was extended and very spacey (one part had the cat looking at me like WTF?) in the first go, then a little jazzy Keith, then a lengthy somewhat quiet interlude before >Bobby McGee>TOO again. Maybe the best Sing Me Back Home so far of the tour. And a sweet but shorter Sugar Mag> NFA> GDTRFB> NFA again to end. Again DeadbaseX way off with setlist out of order and missing songs. Not really counting on that being right anymore. Still plugging away with Rotterdam next but may get stalled Mon. - Tue. with a trip to the Four Corners region. Need us some slickrock and petroglyphs before the weather starts turning.
Cheers
Edit: 5-11-72 Rotterdam. Jeez- Louise! I can see why Oro said this might be his favorite EU72. The whole 1st set is at that slow, let's get this perfect pace and is another killer set that starts with a Playin' so you know it's going to be good. Then this 2nd set starts with a Dew and is monumental with the best DS so far and one that is now in my top 5 of all time and the 2nd set jammed portion runs like 75 minutes! The final Caution/Who Do You Love is a great way to end that song's run. I googled best show of EU72 and this one came up often and is in the top 3 or 4 in most lists. Just a wowzer.
September 23, 2023 - 6:06am

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daverock

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Icecrmcnkd

Crumbs...sorry, I wasn't expecting that for an answer. Thanks for the heads up - nice that them upstairs read these posts.
September 23, 2023 - 4:24am

#853

icecrmcnkd

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Daverock

The September GD Bulletin came out yesterday in an email.
At the end there is a section Community Bits that briefly summarizes what it being discussed on these boards.

It says:

In the Pick of the Day, With Discussion thread, Daverock raises the interesting point that for Europe ’72, there weren’t so many Dead Heads in the audience — and that affected the band’s playing. Maybe for the better? What do you think?
September 23, 2023 - 3:22am

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daverock

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Icecrmcnkd

Sorry - I'm not sure what that means!
September 22, 2023 - 3:00pm

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icecrmcnkd

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GD Bulletin

Daverock gets the call out.
September 22, 2023 - 2:43am

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daverock

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Bickershaw and repetition

1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.
September 21, 2023 - 8:50pm

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JimInMD

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Repetitive, Sort of..

With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.
September 21, 2023 - 3:23pm

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Oroborous

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RE: repetition

Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol
September 21, 2023 - 2:35pm

#859

1stshow70878

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Bickershaw again

Finishing up as I write.
Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
Cheers
September 21, 2023 - 2:20pm

#860

daverock

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Repetition

Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

@DeadVikes

Tight, cuz I'm digging this 8/6/82 as we speak :)

This set 1 is real good, awesome Bird Song!

8/1/82 Highlights = End of Set 1 China > Rider and Set 2. Dig that Playin > Iko > Playin > Lost > Saint > D > Space > Wheel > Playin Reprise > Black Peter.
That's what I'm talking about boyz!

Also atmosphere of playing at a Zoo, that must've been fun. Who's got stories?

I really like '82.

GOGD

I zipped you a pm

@CARLO13

I'm not seeing it?

Gogd

I only sent the one you responded to in the pm. I'll let you know more when I check out the blu-ray.

@CARLO13

Cool man.

Yeah, it looks dope, keep me posted.

Thanks Carlo!

Oroborous

Oroborous, check your PM.

Proudfoot brought up 10.20.84 on a different board....

....so I'm going to repost it here. Carrier Dome, Syracuse, NY.
He made today's pick without even realizing it.
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1984/10/20

Angry Jack Straw

Yes, 10/20/84 is a high energy show, especially the Jack Straw. I might have brought this up on this page in the early days.. I forget. If we get on an 84 terror, I really like Augusta from 30 trips.

Another Angry Jack Straw is Providence '85. The first set is high energy and worth checking out.
https://archive.org/details/gd1985-04-04.149449.sbd.miller.clugston.fla…

Take A Step Back..

I'm hip October '84 is good stuff.
Miller dropped an upgrade of this show in late November 2020 sourced from Dick Latvala & Rob Eaton so I've been meaning to check this out again.
So many upgrades!!

Personally love '84, and the playing in late '84 really starts to pick up.
I believe it was around this time the band confronted Jerry and expressed concern.
To my ear, shows from around this time have new purpose.
These October shows and say a show like 11/3/84. Off the hook.
Jerry was stubborn, I'm sure if confronted he would be like.. fuck you, I'll show you fuckers.

Anyhow, this is all just speculation I keep in my head (mostly, unless asked, or posting here on this forum:).
Always been curious about the timeline.
But we know Jerry got busted in Golden Gate Park on January 18, 1985 so that was rock bottom (at least for the 80s). And that's why, again IMO, that 1985 is so killer.

But that's another story for another time and I digress.
We're talking October 1984 here.

Meanwhile, in another galaxy a little more than a couple of years before this...
8/6/82 Good Call Deadvikes, I dug that!
I need to get 8/3/82 in for a revisit.
Between 7/31, 8/1 and 8/3... 8/3 is up there as a contender for best show.
7/31 is hard to beat.
Might have to do that too.

But another time.
For now 10/20/84 here we come.
As soon as I finish this show I was at 33 years ago on 6/20/88 which just got a nice little upgrade this morning :)

Life is good in GD world.
But..
You say you want a Revolution?
Well you know,
We'd all love to see your plan.

PS - I love how you guys call this Angry Jack Straw. Nice...

Fall 84

I too was at the Carrier Dome,,, Jack and Shakedown got plus 2 from our records!

Looking up my 10/20 show and Jim mentioning 11/3,,, I realized the 10/27-11/3 stand at Berkeley, would make a fine box set. The entire 84 fall tour was hot, but a stand like that would cover the whole catalog (kinda), but be a good snapshot of that period. I don't follow what or what not is in the vault, but miller had soundboards of 10/20, my copy sounds pretty damn good. So I'll assume the Berkeley run was recorded.

sidebar - Good Old Grateful,,,, I smiled quietly to myself when I read "But we know Jerry got busted in Golden Gate Park on January 18, 1985 so that was rock bottom (at least for the 80s). "

..... I would have thought coma was rock bottom,,,, but that's just me! :-)

Coma was a trip

Yo Dennis :)
I always felt that the Coma was like rebirth.
Started a second life.
I'm sure it sucked going through it though!
But at the time of the Coma Jer was stubbornly trying to get his shit together.
Jerry describes it like a full on trip, alien plasma stuff.

Amazing how descriptive he was not only in his guitar playing and singing but at the art of conversation.
Every conversation I've heard of his is almost as fascinating as his playing.

Not many folks like that.
I once heard this theory, about how certain people have almost like gravitational pull and that they bring people into their orbit and magic sparks out from that rotational pull and the effect of the connection. I think it was using Diane Sawyer as the example. Wish I could remember where I heard it, mighta been on Oprah :)
Anyhow.. I feel like Jerry was like that.

I'm not getting a lot done this morning, but my mind is having some far out thoughts.

Carrier Dome

Dennis you're right about the Berkeley run, I can't remember the consistency of the performances, it's pretty rough and ragged I think, but hot.

Tapes are spotty. Not sure the whole Vault story, but what circulates has got issues:
10/27/84 partial SBD circulates
10/28/84 partial SBD circulates / but Lemieux played it all on Taper’s
10/30/84 partial SBD circulates
10/31/84 SBD
11/02/84 SBD
11/03/84 SBD

Got any cool stories about the Carrier Dome?

I really should start doing something, I woke up early and have been obsessively collecting Grateful Dead upgrades and posting comments. But... yeah might need to do something else.

8/1/82

This is a great show as well, GOGD. What is about this part of 1982 that seems to rock and the recordings are really good? The playing isn't perfect, but it still rocks. 1984, I will check it out later today.

I was never a big fan of the 1982 RT release from the Spectrum. Might have to check it out again and see if my opinion has changed at all.

@DeadVikes

Yeah, late July & early August '82 is hot.
I dug 8/6 too. We gotta circle back and get 8/3/82 in here soon.
8/7, 8/8 & 8/10 are all epic Dead I cut my teeth on BITD.

In regards to that Road Trips release, the real hot stuff is on the Bonus IMO 4/5 is the better show, but I think there's issues with the tape in the Vault as SBD doesn't circulate minus what was released. But the Audience is worth checking out the whole show, cuz it's good!

Good stuff.

Oh.. He is Angry

Does seem to be some aggression in this here Jack Straw!

Everybody... Move Back.

8/6/82

I have listened to 8/1/82 before but not 8/6. I will try and check it out later.
There's a partial first set video on YouTube, not sure if the whole show exists.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYdfjj_fFEY&feature=youtu.be

“Fresh outta the mental institution but still an urge to throw

Things”

Carrier Dome...such conflicting memories. The place sucked and the sound was worse but all 3 shows we saw there were good. It was about a 2.5-3 hour drive back then and and the NYS nazis were harsh on I-90 around those parts so some freak had the awesome idea to hire a charter bus. Can’t remember how much but for like 10-20 bucks? You had your ride and a keg on the bus and no parking hassles etc...might as well travel the elegant way! Needless to say a good time was had by all!
So much so that we did it again 83! Can’t remember why we didn’t do it for 10/20/84.....but at that point I’m living in this old beat up farm house just out the edge of town with my band mates, which got dubbed the House of Blue Lights.
This was because we had several McIntosh power amps, a blue outside light by the door, and because of this awesome song by Crowbar that we psychedelicised. Most freaks around knew if the blue light was on, the party was happening! Needless to say we went through a lot of blue lights LOL!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0RK0A3vK21M

So I’m living the hippie dream: no car, bunch of hairy smelly dudes all living together in this cheap, drafty old house, little furniture, but huge stereos, with little or no money, and what little there was always went to “supplies”, beer, and when possible more equipment. My rent share was $85 bucks, but in the winter it often cost double that for the damn gas bill. Even keeping the temp around 55-60 might get us a $400-500 dollar gas bill! For food I worked at a Italian restaurant so ate for free at least when I was there, the rest of the time? Scrounged...
So typical for the times, when 10/20 came around I had a ticket, some red sweethearts, and no money.
I was barely dressed and outta the shower when my cousins came round in the granny mobile: an old giant Buick centurion that you could fit like ten people in lol.
Oh, ya need gas money, stick out your tounge lol, oh, you guys gettin beer, let me pitch in, stick out your tongue...
Eventually we’re almost there but need a pit stop so stop at the last rest area before we get to Syracuse.
Hmmmm, I’m hungry, who needs a hit? Lol, well funny now I guess but kinda crazy, as It only took me like five minutes to play Johnny apple seed and made about 75 people happy while also obtaining the desperately needed means to eat, drink, and see Jerry! A true symbiotic relationship as a former boss would say LOL.
Like most I don’t remember too much, but do remember my house mate buddy and I doing a lot of hysterical laughing at this show, like when Bobs going on about bug eyed folks up front etc, well to us that was the funniest damn thing we ever heard!
This is the beauty of Relisten/archive: that now, all these years later, I can hear great quality recordings of these shows and contrary to what I remember, their pretty good.
As GOGD would say we truly are living in a great time to be a DH!
Oh, from what I recall the 82 Jack was smokin’ too.

LOL, I’ll see your drug bust, and raise ya a diabetic coma!

Too Much.. Really Too Much!

OB - That's good stuff.

The House of Blue Lights. Might As Well.

We're on a roll here today Yos!

JimInMD 8/6/82 -
Highlights - Bird Song, Lazy Lightning > Supplication, Jam after Saint, Space > Truckin’, Baby Blue.
Brent is the all star, his playing is killer through out.
Worth a visit.

BTW this 10/20/84 is on old DL's radar, Shakedown> Sampson was part of 30 days in 2017.
And he's played tasty cuts from 10/14, 15, 28, 31, 11/2 & 3.

I gotta bail.. :)

Oroborous

Man, that was the life!

DVikes/Oro

The best is yet to come

Who's got a pick?

Jim, give me what you're smoking!

I need to have that frame of reference...

8/3/82 TLMD is sounding good, I couldn't resist starting out with that track today.

I’m going...

RT 2.4 5/26/93 cuz I’ve never heard it and it’s fresh outta the wrapper!
Snuck in the extra stuff from 5/27 last night and have just enough time to do 5/26before football.
The 27th stuff was decent. The shakedown starts out sorta plodding, but JG immediately steps it up, good sign!
Some of his vocals like High Time are a bit ruff, but that doesn’t bother me as much as some folks. So far I’d say it’s better than I would of thought in the past, but they’ve definitely lost some of their hutzpah by this point in time.
I’ve never listened to much past 91 so far. I think I’m ready to check out what little official stuff is out, and perhaps the remaining shows I was at but haven’t heard yet....really interested in the 91 Richfield run, (the fornicating with whales run), as I seem to recall someone (GOGD?) saying they were good? I honestly don’t remember much about the shows Cept I liked em....and the extra curricular stuff ; )

I’ve been REALLY burned out on dead, well, more like life in general, so I’m thinking what’s the best palate cleanse of all and still be playing dead....the 90s as it’s really the last frontier for me. So I think I might hang out there for a bit, but I have checked out some of the fun here and will continue.
The 8/6/82 was a nice change and yes GOGD it is nicely Brentcentric, also did most of the New Years Pepsi challenge (didn’t get first 2 sets of 78 in). Went deep on 89, 90 and that fun set 3 from 82 on video. Actually saw all of 81 and 82 on vid for first time. The jam in the 72 show was “primo” lol. 69 was fine, and quite the weird set list. At first I thought they were a tad wobbly, but they eventually entrain nicely. 76 of course is top shelf, but I forgot how awesome that playing is!

Also, weirdly, lol, is that a word? been really linked some how with that 12/6/73 Dark Star since that popped up. It’s like the one thing that really seems to release me and let’s me go to the happy place? The past month I’ve listened to very little dead, but that DS kept popping up?

1993

OB - I dig switching it up.

Let's see if the following holds true..

"what’s widely considered to be one of the best versions of Playing In The Band since 1974."
- Taper's Section from 3/14/17

I'm down to go there.

GOGD Playing

I dug it as I do all weirdness, but imho that’s hyperbole....thinking that 88 (Laguana Seca?) just one off the top of head, or even that 12/31/76, there’s more....but it was a Bobbie dazzler just the same.
More thoughts coming, but I think I need to call 911 first after the finish of the Bills game....I’m too old for that shite...their like the dead, always kinda flying by the seat of their pants!

hyperbole

Yeah, I'm not feeling that comparison.. at all.

It's good, but it's good for '93.

Def 12/31/76 slays this bad boy.

But it's fun and always good to hear quality jams in these later shows.

Dec '92 through early '93, there's some gold in them there hills.

Can't help you with the Bills or getting old, but I feel your pain bro!

6/20/91

Checking out this show from 6/20/91. There is a great recording from Pearson and Healy, transfered by Miller. Also, this was released as Download Series #11. This was a hot period!

I am really digging it and there is a Maggie's Farm and Birdsong.

6/20/91

Done with my morning ski, lunch and coffee.. and was just checking in to see if there was a pick..

I'm all in, and agree with dvikes.

Edit: Nice little show, really hit the spot. Great recording and an interesting setlist. A Throwing Stones sandwich? Get outa here...

What's on tap?

What direction is the wind blowing.. any preferences, any shows in the queue?

Fall '79?

10/24/79 Springfield Civic is on my relisten list.

Wanna go?

EDIT - There's X Factor in this Scarlet > Fire! :)

Fall 79

Yes, sounds like a winner to me. Thanks.
Edit. I am not seeing a full show available for 10/24/79?

10/24/79 explained

forgot about that, I'll splain...

Set 1 SBD (didn't circulate till 2019 and first couple songs are Audience patch, but a good Audience!) -
https://archive.org/details/gd1979-10-24.148162.s1.sbd.flac16

Set 2 SBD -
https://archive.org/details/gd1979-10-24.sbd.miller.97440.sbeok.flac16

New Source by GEMS popped up today of both sets, but I think Miller's are slight bit better on quick review -
https://archive.org/details/gd1979-10-24.151424.sbd.gems.flac16

Haven't looked on relisten yet.
Sorry if that's complicated.

DL played Scarlet > Fire on 30 Days 2019 btw.

PS - If you like Audience, this Audience is super fun, listen to them clapping during Scarlet.. it's almost like being there?
https://archive.org/details/gd79-10-24.senn.munder.13298.sbeok.shnf

Fall of 79?

Hell yeah! I think I have made it known around these parts before, but Fall/Winter 79 is one of my favorite periods, period.

Looking forward to listening once school is done for the day! Only three more hours to go...

Peace

We Don't Need No Education

Hey Teacher, Leave Those Kids Alone!

Couldn't resist.

This one's for you Otis.

Now if you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding!
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

10/24/79

I listened to the first set, it's ok, nothing to really write home about. Garcia's guitar playing sounds good, Weir sounds into it, Garcia is having a little trouble with the lyrics, the drummers are popping. If I was there getting high I'm sure I would be having the time of my life, but I think there are much better shows in 1979 then this one, 2/17/79, 4/22/79 and all the year end shows at the Oakland Auditorium come to mind. What the the heck, if you dig it you dig it, if you don't you dont

BTK

Ah ha! Objective listening skills, that's a good thing in a Dead Head.

Give that Set 2 a spin and I'll be interested to hear your take.

Honestly I can't remember much about this show, I just was checking it out to compare a new source that popped up.
First show on a hot tour.
I was hearing some X factor peaking out in that Scarlet > Fire.
Had to pause it up and attend to biz, but am looking forward to rest of Set 2.

But yeah, totally interested in hearing what peeps think.

10/24/79 2nd set

You know, I think Garcia"s guitar playing sounds great throughout this whole show. I like where he forgets the words in Terrapin and he plays over it for a bit then comes back to the singing when he remembers the words.. I'm not a big fan of audience tapes, so I'm sure I would enjoy this one more if it was a sounboard. I don't think if I was sitting around drinking beer and bbqing , that this show would be on the playlist even if it was a soundboard, like 12/26/79, and 12/28/79 would be. This show for me is a one and done.

I’ve seen a lot of shit (history) in my life

Kennedy assassination
Landing on the moon
Fall of the Berlin Wall
January 6, 2021

Keep up the good work here friends. I’ll return February 18th fifty years after being at the Capitol Theater.

I agree, this is not the place for politics.

2/13 and 2/14/1970 perhaps? Or older, 9/3/67? Somebody please help and weigh in.