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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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April 24, 2022 - 6:42am

#2301

1stshow70878

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4/24/70 Mammoth Gardens Denver, CO

52 years ago today my older sister, the one who can roll a joint one handed while driving, was at her first (and only?) show and tripping to primal Dead. Trying to find out, as some reviews have said, if this was one show or two. Deadbase lists as two nights with the first night having an acoustic then electric set that ends in Drums, with the second night (4/25/70) being electric starting with Dark Star and going through some grease with Pig's Man's World in there for what seems like a short set list. Was this a rain-out or a curfew? One reviewer said it was one night with a tape cut in Man's World and he likened the sound to being recorded in a bathtub. Not high praise but he did like the primal nature of the beast. Any ideas?
Thanks and cheers
Edit: The notes from the five versions on the Archive seem to indicate one show and there never was a 4/24 show. Looks like the five entries are from only two sources and the others are improved versions. Especially interesting are the citations of a Feeling Groovy and Tighten Up jams in the Dark Star. Gotta give this a go! Now, how do you download from the Archive?
April 23, 2022 - 8:42pm

#2302

Oroborous

Joined:
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Nightcap

Lol, sorry BC, I was worried my words were not going to be right.
I liked this show, it just made me think, remember, which in itself is ok.
But those were changing times and sometimes there’s residual baggage attached?
And I’m always preaching you shouldn’t compare apples to oranges etc, and so yes, for the time it was a fine show and I enjoyed it, and appreciate being guided to a 94 show that was enjoyable, because unfortunately, not all are as consistent. I’m glad to check out any era as long as the show is up to the standards of said era, actually, I’m pretty game for anything lol. But there can be a difference in consistency and quality between randomly picking say a 77 show or a 94-95 show, the odds that is, no?
I just have the perhaps bad habit by modern standards of critiquing what catches my ear, both good and not so good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I don’t enjoy the show. That’s why I listen, to see how every show is different, and It’s often easier to pick out the miscues than the subtle golden yummies. Also, I can tell folks often don’t get what I’m trying to get at, but that’s on me I’m sure. But it’s all good and that’s why this here gathering spot is called with discussion!
Oh, same with the guitar thing: it’s not that I don’t like it, I just like it less than others, same with the Travis Beans. It’snot that I don’t like, I just like Tiger more etc. I’ve usually embraced the evolution in the dead’s sounds as the years rolled by, but the industrial later 90s stuff I didn’t like AS much. But it’s grown on me over the years, same with Vince in some ways. Just need more quality exposure. Like an athlete, need more reps etc!

JIM: hang in there amigo, I feel like life’s piling it up a little your way?
Sure don’t need to remind ya: “ if you get confused, listen…”
Another interesting day.
Mañana amigos!

PS, Dooaahh, thanks for correcting my venue information error. I usually check those things but being in a hurry did not. Gotsta keep it real!
April 23, 2022 - 6:53pm

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JimInMD

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4.18 and 4.19

Those two are a package deal.. The Phil Space Extravaganza. Somebody must have put something in his coffee.

I wasn't able to hit 4/18 but I plan to revisit it at some point soon. Nearly stranded in the middle of nowhere today, flat tire and issues that can sometimes come with that. All is good, got a little sunburn but had a great day. No listening though.....
April 23, 2022 - 6:27pm

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bluecrow

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Seattle shows '80 and '94

Oro - those Seattle shows are at 2 different venues, though just blocks apart. Coliseum is indoor, Memorial Stadium is outdoor. I think at that time Memorial Stadium was used primarily for High School football playoffs, it wasn't all that big.

Gonna have to agree to disagree somewhat on the '94 show. I didn't run Set I this time around so need to do that, but I think it's solid good show, esp. given the time period. Scarlet > Fire had that extra juice and, like I said, Jerry's cup runneth over on the Dew. and I can't ask for anything more. You're not the first I've heard by any means who didn't like Jerry's guitar sound at the time. Me? I really liked the sound of Lightning Bolt, which I think Jerry was playing that night. As chance would have it I actually attended the first Lightning Bolt show, which was the Jerry Garcia Band 8/7/93 right there in Memorial Stadium. Also saw the first Lightning Bolt Dead shows, which were later that month in Eugene. Not that I actually knew that he was playing a new guitar, I wasn't that dialed into the equipment. But Jerry's tone in all three shows sounded excellent to me. The JGB show was an afternoon affair and top shelf - release worthy later era JGB in my opinion. I think Jerry enjoyed it so much that that's how the Dead ended up playing the same venue in '94 and '95. Memorial Stadium was probably about as chill a venue as you could have in those last years. My youngest brother was out visiting that month, so backpacking, camping, and music. It was an awesome time.

I'll check out the '83.
April 23, 2022 - 4:54pm

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Oroborous

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Holy shit!

You guys have never heard 4/18/82, especially liking spring 82…blimey!
I haven’t mentioned it because I just assumed, and we all know what happens when we assume, that everyone has heard that one! Well, look at the upside, you guys are in for a treat as the whole show is good, not just the cherry.

6/13/80: good job Senior Wiseman sp? sorry.
Interesting show too. Overall thought it was good, JG seemed to struggle at times and I don’t think I’ve heard him having so many tuning issues since tuners and custom guitars? Perhaps some kind of guitar issues?
Good show though, really dug the new tunes that they didn’t always seem to have their parts down.
Interesting catching 6/13/94 next. Same venue, same day, just FOURTEEN years later!
The 94 was ok, but sounded like they might of been back too far as you can hear way more of the venues acoustic signature. I believe Nitecat said he was using a high stand in FOB? That would certainly reduce the venue, ambience and crowd! Can’t wait to check out more! We need a list so we can work em into rotation.
That is if you SB snobs can handle it lol, JUST TEASING!
The 94 was good. Er, hard to put into words…tired and industrial came to mind. The former was more a vibe, but seemed to cover much until Bird Song, which had a little extra, but that’s where I thought of the latter. It sounded industrial, which I don’t mean good or bad, just different? I’ve not been a big fan of Jers guitar sound during this era.
It’s not bad, just different? Bob changed axes and crap constantly, but besides effects etc, Jer kept that trademark sound mostly intact up until here. I don’t think it’s not using live speakers on stage since that happened in 92. Perhaps it’s that different guitar (forget the name) he was using, or perhaps something in line?
Felt like it sounded like a cheap piezo pickup on a plastic ovation like guitar through a crappy amp. Of course I’m exaggerating but it did sound different, for good or for Ill, your taste may certainly differ.
But the show picks up more in the second and though I did enjoy it, it reminded a little of the feelings we started to have in those days, like gulp, it might end! But all these years later I’m able to listen with different sort of ears, and don’t suffer from the hangups I had back then. So was it a 74 Beatty, no, but so what, it was still an enjoyable performance by the best band in the land. Thanks for the pick. Since not all shows from then are as consistent, it’s nice to have picks when venturing into foggy territory!
Oh, BC, if you’ve not done so, perhaps check out one of my 83 favs from that Seattle venue, 8/27/83!
Make sure you get the right version? Can’t recall but you want to hear it on speakers not cans, at least Jack Straw!
Hint, PHIL!

Daverock, back at ya!

GF: no I’ll intent ment. We just felt you misspoke, but you have since clarified and the wheel keeps turning!
Be well and rock on brother!
PS: I remember some of this horrible experience you went through before but being forgetful myself had forgotten just how horrific it was. Glad you made it and are here with us!
April 23, 2022 - 4:26pm

#2306

DeadVikes

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Gary

Sounds really rough Gary. Glad you pulled through. Hope you continue to heal.
April 23, 2022 - 1:37pm

#2307

JimInMD

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June 27, 2011

Understood

No worries on my end, I clearly did not mean any harm.

Onward.
April 23, 2022 - 12:49pm

#2308

Gary Farseer

Joined:
August 1, 2015

Hey Now Jim

Hope all well with folks. Just got in from checking on my own. They are doing better for their age than I am doing for mine. Ouch
April 23, 2022 - 8:54am

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icecrmcnkd

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October 20, 2015

Wow Gary, all of the above

Some people report post- Covid brain fog.
Glad you pulled through. With all your inflammation you could also have some brain inflammation which can affect cognition.

Bluecrow,
I checked my HD yesterday and 6-13-94 set2% is on there.

DV,
I was able to get 2 cases of 16 oz cans on Oberon Day 3-21-22.

Yes, got a DaP42 shipping notice but tracking is not yet available.
April 23, 2022 - 7:49am

#2310

bluecrow

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September 21, 2015

Phil's Earthquake Space

DV - Night before the Raven Space - 4/18/82 Hartford. 75th anniversary of San Francisco Earthquake. Can't say I've ever heard it so in the queue it goes.

There was a Pearl Harbor Space 12/6/81 at the Rosemont Horizon.

Conekid - Be sure to check out that Seattle show if you haven't already. solid shows in Eugene also. '95 shows in Seattle also had some really nice music.

Gary - wow.

A fine Saturday to crank some Dead. Onward :-)

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Brent & Keith

Well, Keith's last and Brent's first show that this band is still Truckin'

Pretty amazed at how quick Brent assimilates into the band, but then again Keith did that too.
Musicians!

If you listen to the 4/19/79 rehearsals, it sounds to me like the band is stoked to be playing and changing things up. Lotsa clowning around and jamming.

And 4/22 is solid. Killer Other One and yeah that Passenger is on fire.

Might have to dust off DaP V23 on it's anniversary and head down to Eugene ala '78.

Unless somebody got another Pick to kick.

When's that DaP V37 shipping... should be soon, no?

Dave's 37

Yes, GOGD, we are a week out from the released on date of next Friday. Given how the shipping went last year, I won't predict when we will receive it. I am hoping by next Friday, but not counting on it. I would think Dave's video will be released next Friday when the individual copies go on sale.

Let's do Dave's 23, it is a great release.

Stay well.

Eugene 1.22.78....

....i just listened to this show the other day, but I'm game for a revisit.

This means something. This is important.

Roy Neary - [contemplating the lump shape]

Sweet!
I don't think I've given this much play since I got it.
Maybe a quick once through.

I should probably watch Close Encounters again.
Don't think I've seen that since I was a kid.

Thanks VGuy for taking one for the team and DeadVikes for the refresh on the new release deets, getting excited!

Twist my arm...

I'm in. Getting a late start, but taking an unplanned half day from work and loading up the truck for an adventure. We have good temps and good snow, heading for the backcountry for a day of solitude, music and unbelievable scenery.. plus I will be getting a good workout which is hard to do in the winter of covid. If I see another person where I am going, it would surprise me.

Good thing and thanks to you guys.. I will have some good tunes (and more than a healthy buzz)

Be good all.

One last comment.. it's refreshing how we just breezed through the last show with Keith/Donna and the first show with Brent without anyone making some ridiculous or offensive comment. Productive and sane comments about two great periods of Grateful Dead music.. and no one caught there hair on fire and no one stunk up the room in stupid incendiary comments.

Thanks all.

1/22/78

Mark me down for it. (I’m down with it) the new expression must have been born from the older.
Waiting to add to the discussion when the 50th anniversary of the Capitol Theater shows roll around. I hope those will be Picks of the Day next month.

my first pick of the day is 7/13/84

I had the incredibly good fortune to be there

I still have a piece of paper I wrote on after the show. it reads:

I WAS THERE
MAGIC STRUCK!
7/13/84
Documented!
I WAS BEYOND
I SAW!

7/13/84

Proudfoot, I was there too, what a blast!

Misc replies

Plangent/Norman, for sure, but let’s get the multi-tracks out! Those capital shows are a good example of how (FOR ME) good multi track sources take shows I wouldn’t necessarily consider, and make them go toos!

CARLO: 😀

Yassss....release it ALL!

GOGD: it’s called practice, that and being enthused! That was alooonnng show! You could tell they were itching to play, but seems like anytime they rehearsed regularly, good things happened. I was at Vince’s first show and was surprised how integrated he already was. All three had what?...a month to learn enough to do gigs....yeah, that’s called practice!

DV: hey, as long as it arrives...

JIM: so it was you up in NW merry land who got the magic ticket!...this is just your cover story for disappearing!
But before you go buying that Elmondo-grosso water bed, barko lounger with magic fingers, and the Jensen turntable with the Pickering cartridge, or the leather bond edition of the entire playboy collection featuring Hugh Hefner.....shmuck....with that kinda cash you could probably buy the vault! Just saying....; )

7/13/84: yeah really need that, 12/31/81, 1/10/79, and 1/20/79......but I’m sure no tapes : (

Abort, abort....

.....I stopped Eugene and going with Proudfoot's pick.

If pronouncing my b's as v's makes me sound Russian....

....then soviet.

7/13/84. 1st set

Great 1st set. The only reason I can think that this show hasnt been released, is because they are saving it for a Greek Box set, because this show should have been released along time ago. I dosed at this show and washed it down with a bottle of Bergungdy, that was the progam back then. On to set two.

7/13/84 2nd set

Sounds just as good as it did 37 years ago, Im glad I was there. The show pretty much speaks for itself, it was definitely fun. Great pick Proudfoot.

7/13/84 and my Magic Ticket

I finished McArthur Court, I should be able to squeak in at least the first set of 7/13/84.

Ha.. no, OroB. I do not have the magic ticket, but I know the town the ticket was purchased at quite well. It wasn't far away from where I went to college. Back then it was a dry on Sunday county (that changed decades ago), but we used to go to this rundown bar in Lonaconing called Truly's. If you knew the secret word they would sell you beer on Sundays. It is a tiny, dirt poor town in the Appalachians. If you blink.. you will miss it and the people there have been dirt poor ever since they shut down the coal mines about 100 years ago.

My mind is spinning knowing someone that was more than likely way below the poverty line is now walking around town with 3/4 of a Billion Dollars in folding money in their wallet.

My advice.. don't spend it all in once place.. or better yet, Californy is the place you aught to be so load up the truck and move to Beverly (Hills that is..)

Edit: For anyone with interest, some history. Look for The Big Vein, and for VGuy, it's got a Cumberland (or two)..
http://www.miningartifacts.org/Maryland-Mines.html

Lot a poor man got the Cumberland Blues..

Who was it that mentioned Stockhausen?

I had my virgin listen just now

Woooow man...

It wasn't me..

...who mentioned Stockhausen, but I have got a few albums authored by him. Of the music I have got "Gesang Der Junglinge" is the most startling. Quite scary if you are feeling sensitive.

I actually saw him live once. He made the single most offensive comment I think I have ever heard at a live concert. And I speak as one who saw numerous punk gigs between 1976-1978. People seemed initially stunned , then started booing. It was an odd concert all round - the music off one of his albums-"Hymnen" was played.

Stockhausen

If you like vocal music I would recommend ‘Stimmung’. A fascinating piece for six voices.

Stockhausen

On the DVD ‘Dawn of the Grateful Dead’ TC says that he and Phil were into Stockhausen.

I called up stockhausen on youtube

and gesang der junglinge came up first

I heard elements of Zappa, Revolution 9, and Seastones in there

Gesang der junglinge

Bear in mind that this piece is from 1955 - 56.

Stockhausen-Beatles-Dead

I always thought Seastones, more than most electronic music recorded by rocks groups that I have heard, seemed to be influenced by Stockhausen. And lest we forget, he was on the cover of Sergeant Pepper.

Pick of the Day

Pick of the Day?

Who has one for today?

You still out there Bob t?

Pick....

....I'm playing Dave's 24 Berkeley 8.25.72. Dive on in. The waters fine.

Should Hit the Spot

That one's sure to please.

Today

I finally just did 3/20/92. Was @ but hadn’t gotten around to it, or much of boxilla...
I remember this being a good show and it was ; )

1/22/78: hadn’t heard this one pretty much since it came out. Played it a ton then as I was home liquidating the folks estate for 2 months and only had limited number of shows with me. Yeah, that show helped me through many a long day!

Berkeley - Roses for Breakfast - 8-25-72

Love that release!!
Was just swimming in another excellent Other One meltdown from 7-1-73 Universal Amphitheatre -
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/07/01.
Earlier this morning was listening to some Stockhausen. New to me and I was blown away at how completely out there it was. 1950s??!!

Berkeley Community 72

On it Vguy. Thanks.

Thanks Deadvikes still here

I was lucky to start a new job in the middle of December. So busy being a new guy and learning the ropes!!! I did listen to 2/22/74 Winterland and the 7/13/84 show but only set II... I have to agree they missed the boat by releasing 2/24/74 as a stand alone.. Bob t

Berkeley Community down the hatch....

....it delivered.
That Friend Of The Devil is pure butter.
Congrats on the new gig Bob T. You sound positive, so now I do too.
First measurable rain occurred yesterday in Vegas since 4.20.20. It was a welcome deluge.
Makes sense. Snow flurries forecast next week.
Cold Rain and SNOW!!! Lol

Dave's 24

I am a big fan of this show. I listen to it a lot and it never disappoints. This was part of the ABCD transaction as well as the three previous nights. Black Peter, Birdsong and Truckin never disappoint in 1972. Nice work Vguy!
Good to hear from you Bob t and congrats on your new gig. Did you tell your new employer you need time to listen to the Dead?

Hopefully next week we will all see a new show in the mailbox.

8/25/72

Great show from start to finish, very enjoyable. My brother went to 8/24/72. This whole run would have made a nice box set.. Great pick!

Shamelessly Stolen

(which is not beneath me).

Stolen from the other thread (the subscription page?). It's doc inspired. I see no reason not to let the sun shine on the 50th anniversary of this date in GD history.

1-24-71 Seattle Center Arena

There is no 1.24.71 in my DeadBase....

There is a 1.25 though.

1/24/71

Jim, I going to check it out, it might have to be tomorrow morning. Looks like a short show or some of the material is missing.

1 24 71

is on archive

Full show

I think it is one long set

Good playing

Satisfying like a good pizza

50 years ago today here in Seattle

1/24/71

Cool show, Pig Pen sounds really strong. Because of the two drummers, I don't associate this with being a show from 1971, since most of 1971 they only had one drummer.. Cool pick.

11-6-79

Looks like there isn't a show up for today yet. There's been a good amount of '79 lately, and I propose continuing the Brent era party with a fall show at a long time favorite venue, the Spectrum.

https://archive.org/details/gd79-11-06.sbd.miller.29735.flac16

This one is noteworthy to me because of Phil's relative volume in the mix.

This was Road Trips 1.1 that i missed on the first go around. I'm hoping to pick it up from Real Gone when they re-release it.

11 6 79

second set

the first two tracks are sstteellllaarr

11/6/79

Okay Slow Dog, let's get that one going. Thanks for the pick.

11/6/79

Perhaps my favorite 79 show...definitely my favorite one released!

6 13 94

After enjoying 10 1 and 14 94 i got out 6 13. Pretty paint by numbers, but with a nice Terrapin and Morning Dew.

Space went on a bit too long, to be honest

I for one like the 94 sound. Show intensity varies, of course.

27 years ago....SHEETMON.

Eagles Auditorium

There was something magical happening 53 years ago in Seattle.

Epic Alligator

1/26/68 is worth a spin.

Would have loved listening to these shows with Dick Latvala!

Anybody got a line on Dick talking about the PNW '68 shows shoot it over.
He had to have something to say about them.

1/26/68

I could easily do this show today... but I am not seeing any versions that circulate.

Did some of this come through on the found 8 track bonus material on the 2/14/68 Road Trips??

Eagles 68

My disc says 1 22 68, not 26

As does archive, after a quick look

fwiw

Eagles is still there...I drive past it every so often

and I dreeeeeeam...

Eagle

They played there and some (all??) of it was recorded on early multi-track 8 Track tapes. It would be wild if any of this surfaced in a full show format.

Or, since GOGD is the only known person to have 1/26, he must be the one sitting on these master reels.

Cough them up GOGD, rumor has it an angry mob is gathering at the Piggly Wiggly's down the street.. They want your tapes, give them to us before it's too late. We need more 1968!

If you get confused...

Listen to... this :)

Yeah, I forgot that show circulates as 1/22/68, I thought the date had been changed in the listings.
There's speculation around the date and they've always been confusing.
I'm pretty sure those shows happened on 1/26 & 1/27/68 based on the posters that exist.

So 1/22 or 1/26/68, give it a spin. Alligator!

And... no missing master reels.
However, I'll tell ya a story....
My kid's friend's Dad (say that a bunch) saw the show on 2/4/68 in Ashland that doesn't circulate.
Can't even imagine Ashland in 1968 with the GOGD!
Must've been a riot.

Super small town at the base of Mt. Ashland & it still felt like it was off the map in 1995ish.
I used to live next to the College campus back in the mid '90s.
It was an awesome party house and it's there that I threw the biggest Halloween Rager ever one year!!
It was off the hook, this guy fell off the roof a riot broke out.
Ashland had a party vortex going on, probably still does.
Ah youth.
Good times, great oldies.

I'm going to forgo the '68 pick....

....and back track to Doc's January 1971 recommendations. Playing ketchup.

1/22/68. WOW!

What a cool show, start to finish. This one should definitely be an official release. 3rd Dark Star, 1st China 🐱 ever. Excellent pick GOGD, I've never heard this one before. I would love to see the whole The Great Northwest Tour released, I know people say that not all the tapes are there, but the only people that really know are the people that work in the vault, so hopefully these tapes will all show up as other tapes have that were supposed to be missing. Again, killer show, all the releases from 1968 have been compete knockouts.

The Quick & The Dead '68

BTK - one of my favorites!
Stoked to turn you on to it.
Agree that the PNW '68 tour would be a cool release.
I'm partial to '68.

As for the tapes in the vault, I'm pretty sure what circulates came from the "Honeymoon Tapes".
Which, if you don't already know about, I'll tell you.
Lay it on me.
From what I've read, the tapes were swiped from Gans' hotel room while he was on his honeymoon.
I believe Gans had made copies of them from the Vault to review for the show.
And that's how they began to circulate.
Happy to hear otherwise, or more deets if anybody has them.
But that's what I heard / read.

I always liked that story. Not because of the theft, but just because I find it interesting how these tapes get out.

Anyway, Glad you got to hear it BTK, that pick was for you!

11/6/79

Nice show Slow Dog. A lot of great shows in 79 and some not so hot. .....
Always interesting to hear those early versions of Easy To Love You. Man, Brent's voice went through a lot of changes throughout the years.

And the sound quality on this one is fantastic. Love it.