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"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

David Lemieux
October 2020

Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

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November 29, 2020 - 9:26am

#721

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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Need-a-new-release syndrome...

If I recall correctly, the apogee of this syndrome occurred perhaps 5 years ago when the discussion veered toward whether to let the mashed potatoes touch the pork chops as one chowed down on dinner.

Blew my mind. Yet, I'm still undecided on that point....

Next up: the DaP 38 reveal, sometime in December, which starts Tuesday. I'm all ears. And looking forward to that flamethrower discussion... if we have weeks to go to word on DaP 38, I'm all flamethrower all the time.

Whatever that means.
November 29, 2020 - 8:17am

#722

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Guitars Hand Grenades and Grateful Dead

It's all about the aim, Oroborous.. When used properly and with good aim, hand grenades will cause no harm to the vermin that annoy you and will usually convince them to relocate to a different part of the county. The same can be said about deft usage of a high quality, accurate flamethrower (which gets considerably harder when the mice make it indoors..) perhaps a topic for another day perhaps.

I knew you techies would have more to say on tone and style over the years. Interesting discussion, many thanks.

A little more on the modifications made on the Nash Strat over the years.. the first guitar Jerry began to heavily modify.

https://www.guitarworld.com/news/jerry-garcias-alligator-fender-strat-i….

When vermin control takes center stage.. yes, we need a new release.. (or at least word of what the new release is going to be)
November 29, 2020 - 7:29am

#723

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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I think I inadvertently dropped a grenade...

Okay, a couple comments. Yes, Oroborous, the flip side of getting different sounds with different guitars is the way a player can sound like him or herself on different axes. True and good point.

Um, Keef has 500 effin' guitars?! Okay, that's just ONE TOO MANY.... 499? Okay. But 500?? That's just over the top! (Confession: I have three useful acoustics; my fav is a Martin D-35. I have five electrics and have been playing the '64 Gretsch 6120 hollowbody a lot lately, and the aforementioned SG in open D.)

Lastly, LedDed, I too -- if forced -- would pick Jer's Nash Strat on the Euro tour as my favorite sound, but you're right, one can't separate the Strat from the peak music and improvisation.

I do own an American SG and an American Strat and love playing both (if crudely). I'd say, the Fender needs more power to achieve its signature tone, while the SG kinda needs to be restrained. The SG was more expensive and I feel the components are of higher quality. To me, the SG stays in tune better. I can tune from standard to, say, open D, on the SG for some fingerpicking and the SG holds the tuning more accurately than the Strat.

Of course, Jer's choice of instrument -- as someone pointed out -- also must be evaluated/enjoyed in relation to the instrument choices of the rest of the band, particularly Bobby. And yes, I liked Bob's ES335 tone best in the Euro setting. Gawd, what a tour! Maybe time for another full show from that insane run. I still marvel that me and two pals took 2 1/2 years to work through that 22-show box. Some of those four-disc shows required sleep-overs, though I do recall a few moderately perilous drives home after a 3 1/2 hour Euro show.

Good stuff. What's next? Oh yeah, DaP 38 (big '73 show) and that 2021 fall '72 box! (I need to get out and socialize, obviously....).
November 29, 2020 - 4:43am

#724

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Guitars

I wonder if Jerry changed guitars at all during individual sets? He doesn't seem to have done, although as I write this, I do have a distant memory of him changing to a strat for Space in one of the late period dvds - maybe in the View From the Vaults series.

I agree that Bob's guitar playing sounded much stronger when he was playing the Gibsons. Watching that Egypt show, one of the factors I am not so keen on is his sound. It looks as though he is playing an Ibanez. The sound is quite cheap and tinny. And if that wasnt bad enough, he also plays lot of slide on it.

Imagine what Jerry could have done with a guitar like the one pictured to the left of this message. Big River etc could have really shone.
November 28, 2020 - 5:05pm

#725

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

UJB playing to the times

LD, I agree with much of your post Sir, but feel I must respectfully disagree and provide rebuttal about the slanderous over generalization about JGs diminishing skills, sloppiness, and laziness in the eighties.
I will fully agree that his personal issues and overindulgences could negatively impact his proficiency at times.
But I believe he, like most that play that much for that long, continued to grow in versatility, ability, and knowledge.
Yes the overall arrangements and cohesiveness of songs was affected due to lack of band rehearsal, they’ve all admitted to that, and yes this could be attributed to him, and yes he unarguably had occasions of terribleness, but even during his worst times he always had a guitar with him...name a era and his M.O. was always a tv, a guitar, a pack of smokes, and yes sometimes other more destructive things. But he always kept playing! His supposed only complaint about E72 was they didn’t play enough. He always played as much as possible, and when you did get the real deal I argue he was continually evolving.
As far as gizmos and distortions;
1) he always loved that sort of thing, there just was way less reliable stuff back then, and
2) they always played to the times!
Whether consciously or not, from sixties psychedelic, to early 70s “country” rock, disco, to yes, harder rock, they always tastefully reflected the times without selling out or over doing what was en Vogue. So I think his use of such was for these reasons rather than being “lazy and sloppy“.
Personally, I argue they OVERALL became a more professional, including lights and sound, band. There were times in the seventies when they'd tune before almost every song, for longer then the song, and still be outta tune. That didn't happen much later on. They’d tune less often and in less time.
Certainly everyone has preferences and is entitled to their opinions, I’ve just never liked generalizations, either pro or negative. No offense, for the sake of conversation just contesting that point.
Peace!
November 28, 2020 - 3:05pm

#726

LedDed

Joined:
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Close Encounters

Remember, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

Chiming in on Jer's ever changing stable of axes, the best playing I ever hear out of him is on Europe 72. The whole tour, with Bickershaw Festival being to me the all-time high water mark for both he and the band. That cream colored Strat originally gifted him by Graham Nash is my all time favourite Jerry sound. But it goes hand in hand with his playing; he was then at the very height of his powers.

Gibsons, to me, sound fuller and thicker than Fenders due to their humbucking pickups (sometimes P90's) which tend to be less trebly. The stock single coil bridge pickup on a Stratocaster will slice your head clean off. It's a nearly useless sound... got to at least get into one of the clucky positions between bridge and mid, or neck for a little more warmth. Unless of course you're playing surf guitar or country twang.

Gibsons also generally prefer heavier strings, .010's at least due to their shorter scale length, whereas your typical Strat-style is usually set up for .009's. This is the gauge of the thinnest, high E-string for the uninitiated. The heavier strings also stay in tune better, along with the hardtail or stop-tailpiece/bridge on a Gibson. Fenders tend to be harder to keep in tune particularly if one uses the original tremolo bar mechanism (just listen to Hendrix live). Unless your name is Jeff Beck or David Gilmour, and you are a tone magician of the highest order.

There are exceptions... Stevie Ray Vaughan played with very heavy strings on his Strats, got a fat tone and generally stayed in tune. Stretching your strings is also one of the most important things in keeping an axe in tune throughout the rigors of a live set.

Jerry began putting a lot more gizmos into his signal path as time went on and his skills diminished, as well. He began to hide his sloppiness and lazy playing behind a wall of distortion and effects throughout the later 1980s and especially into the 1990s. Hell, Brent even began taking solos that used to be the exclusive territory of one Jerome John Garcia.

I still love all the music, and I enjoy Jerry in his later years, but nothing tops the man on fire around E72 era for both tone and technique. I also like Bob backing him on on the ES335 before he went all trebly and transparent, a sound that he maintains to this day.

\m/
November 28, 2020 - 2:14pm

#727

Oroborous

Joined:
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Guitars and Cadillacs and hippie music...

Sorry Dwight lol.
HF your both correct and not...
What you said is true, but I’d argue that an instrument pared with the right player can plug into any rig and do there thing! Conversely, much of the sound/tone that we dissect is due to the technology. Like can you imagine what JG would of sounded like on Live Dead plugging that SG into his 1990 rig? And to those that hate the midi etc, do you really think they wouldn’t have used the technology in 1969 if it was available? So it’s a complicated interesting thing.
I do like the biting sound of the SG in JGs hands, but it’s often too thin sounding to me via others use. That was another of his great qualities; getting awesome tone and finding ways to make what ever axe he was using sound better than the same one used by others.
My only problem with the Gibson’s etc, was they were out of tune too much. Just like some folks can’t take his vocals after “x” (critics can fill in their date) It’s hard for me to listen to out of tune guitars and vocals. Now I’m not talking the occasional instance, but when I notice enough instances during a particular show that it colors my recollections it. Unfortunately, this is why I dont dig 70-71 as much as most. Great set lists, ultimate creative period, amazing versatility (acoustic, pedal steel, and electric all in one night...foe git about it!) but sorry to be a bummer but a lot of that era is outta a tune! The vocals are more noticeable on 2 trac only, as multitrack allows later manipulation and blending; just listen to the awesome new Capital theater releases! I wonder if they’ve used a touch of auto tune to clean em up too?

Eventually, the advent of the electric tuner would help, but if instruments don’t stay in tune while your playing.....
This was one of the big reasons Bob and Phil started using Modulus Graphite instruments; The carbon fiber wasn’t as susceptible to extreme temperature shifts etc so they stayed in better tune.
So it’s a the ole yin yang again; you love the era but have trouble with the tuning etc, or you love the more professionalism, sound, and effects, (and yes I think they got way more professional as years went by) but you don’t dig the R&R Cocaine train energy etc....that’s our boys, never perfect, but always great! Lol
Speaking of the Bean, I believe it’s more the equipment that your referring too as the purpose of the Bean with its metal neck was to facilitate huge sustain (density of wood does so too, but not as much as metal!) Reverb wouldn’t be a characteristic of an instrument but a product of a reverb unit or setting on the Fender Twin Reverb and ultimately the room. Both kinds would be affected somewhat by recording techniques.
My understanding of the main reason he used the Beans was to supposedly have more reliability on the road. Not being fully customized you’d be able to carry replacement parts could be easily swapped out on the road, where as the Irwin would have to go to the shop. I don’t dig the Bean as much as I used to, but again, if you plugged it into later years it probably would not have the same issues...
All that being said, I like the Tiger best! I loved the Wolf, but the Strat has really grown on me over the years, again more because of the hands it was in than it being a Fender. Totally dig the Gibson’s for the more hard rock 60s psychedelic sound, and with the extra distortion you don’t notice when outta tune as much, but as I say it’s hit or miss for me later on, but that’s just me...
Didn’t dig his later years sound as much but that’s more a product of the tech involved than the instruments.
I thought contrary to the company line that when they stopped using actual speakers on stage and ran direct even with the speaker simulators it didn’t sound right. I understand totally why they did it, and it did help to address those concerns, but I think it lost some of the naturalism and that perfect R&R blend of clean and dirty etc, but agin, that’s just me....I thought they started getting too convoluted near the end and sounded too plastic? or clean and not enough like a R&R band. I know this is why Doc and others love 71 so much. That hard slightly dirty, not so techie R&R sound that became too clean for some. The sound of a bar band pushing the timeless simple set up of a good tube amp slightly overdriven! Like the sound that sucked me in: Johnny B Goode from Skullfuck! Tasty !
But my favorite everything GD wise will always be 89-90 because of the versatility to be able to get the whole sonic spectrum, but again, that’s just me...(Interestingly, JGs core infrastructure, unlike Phil and more so Bob, didn’t change that much after he started using the Twin/MC 2300/ JBL E120 set up, just the effects etc changed)
Ultimately, the truest form of greatness is the ability to plug into anything, and immediately be recognizable because of the signature uniqueness, tone and style!
JG of course, Hendrix, Page (usually), Clapton (usaully), Santana, Miles, hell even the edge and Slash. You can tell the great ones instantly!
Lol, ok, sorry, too much coffee and nothing to do here too!
November 28, 2020 - 1:22pm

#728

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Advice and Vermin

Uncle Sammy is both humorous and right on about vacuuming being best, but I’m curious if you have a special device? I’ve only tried my household vac with the smallest attachment, which helps, but doesn't really do the job. That’s where I find using the air to blow out the hard to get stuff in conjunction with vacuuming is best, but I need to investigate some sort of small precision vacuum?

CONEKID: wonder what kind of range it has? I need something like that for prairie dogs, moles and field mice, not to be mistaken with Mayor Field!
I was looking into water guns but was disappointed by the inherent idiosyncrasies of most, and that the one that would of worked is no longer available except on the black market for too much...
I don’t want to kill em for various reasons, but I’ve read that if you make them not welcome they will retreat a bit which is all I’m looking for: “damn kids, get off my lawn!”
I need something quick; as the enemy is lightning fast!, versatile, most importantly accurate with enough range and power to get the job done but not so much I’m killing them? Currently I try and hose em but their so damn quick and smart that I don’t often get a good shot...“Remember, to kill the gofer you have to be the gofer!”
November 28, 2020 - 11:27am

#729

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Gibson SG

That is my favourite Jerry Garcia tone-the one recorded on Live Dead. It seemed quite a popular choice on the West Coast in the late 60s-incredible tones on the same instrument by Barry Melton, and especially John Cippolina..
The other ingredient in defining sound is the player, of course.
One of the interesting things about watching a post 1989 Stones show is how often Keith Richards changes guitar within one set. He typically plays various telecasters-some in open G with only 5 strings, to Gibson 335s, to Les Paul Juniors to strats. I think he's got about 500 at home.
November 28, 2020 - 9:47am

#730

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Ok

The SG is in, I had to sleep on this one.

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"Welcome to the 10th year of the Dave's Picks series! We're amazed and humbled that this community of Dave's Picks fans keeps growing, and we just wanted to let you know how much we sincerely appreciate your support of and interest in the series. We started in 2012 with 12,000 of each release, and now we've more doubled that, with 25,000 in 2021. Wow! We keep working as hard as we possibly can to bring you the best, most exciting Grateful Dead shows in the vault. Our 2020 releases included music from 1977, 1974, 1984, and the latest, biggest release yet in the series, the two complete Hartford shows from 1987. Looking ahead, we've selected two exceptional, A+ Dead shows for Vol. 37 (more on that in the video below) and 38, as well as the Bonus Disc that will come with Vol. 38. Big year ahead! As we head into the 10th year of the series, there's no end in sight. We love what we do, and have loads of plans and ideas for the next few years. Onward to more great music!"

David Lemieux
October 2020

Times may be trying but the music has never and will never stop! Keep the momentum going by doing the Dead all year long with a Dave's Picks 2021 subscription. We're taking the production run up one final time - to 25,000 - for each of the four Dave's Picks 2021 releases. We'll also be doing things a wee bit differently this year - subscribers will be the first to receive their Dave's Picks. A la carte sales will go up on street date (no more pre-orders) and if you don't subscribe - we highly encourage you to - you'll want to be ready and waiting because these releases sell out within hours. Hours - no hyperbole.

In addition to the four releases in 2021, totaling 12 CDs, you’ll also get the subscription exclusive bonus disc, which has proven to be one of the most highly sought-after collectables we release, and free domestic shipping. Subscriber bonus discs will not be released outside of this offer. Early bird subscribers can nab a sub at $99.98 (regular pricing will be $115.92).

DaP distribution

The 29th January date is shown as the DaP #37 release date on my subscription order. All other dates for the dispatch are unknown but they’re coming soon :)

R.I.P. to Another Legend...

Larry King was the GOAT when it came to talk radio, on any subject and any manner. Just an outstanding and upstanding guy. May the four winds blow him safely home.

LK

I too enjoyed Larry King's sardonic wit and warmth over the years... just wondering when the long-rumored "Larry King's Secrets To A Happy Marriage" book will be coming out?

Happy Marriage

Ha. It would have been a best seller, a lost opportunity of sorts. RIP LK.

Colin

Right-o. I have definitely noticed a beer gut forming due to limited access to shopping and hiking. A keg party is definitely overdue.

I am one of the barbarians - I love rock and roll

50 years ago today……………….

January 24, 1971
Seattle Center Arena, Seattle, Washington

Truckin'-China Cat Sunflower >I Know You Rider-It Hurts Me Too-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones-Sugar Magnolia-Hard To Handle-Turn On Your Lovelight >Not Fade Away >Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad >Turn On Your Lovelight >Drums >Good Lovin'-Uncle John’s Band

It is unclear if this is two separate sets or one long set. There are no audible set breaks or announcements on the circulating soundboard tape. On the commonly circulating Lai soundboard remaster there is approximately 45 seconds of Good Lovin’ after the drums segment. The conclusion of the Good Lovin’ (estimated length 20 minutes) and the show-closing Uncle John’s Band appeared on the deadnet Tapers Section in either December 2012 or January 2013.

The last show before the first seismic change of 1971...........

Clearly, sonically the best of the three January 1971 shows. Hard rocking, with a generous helping of greasy Pigpen material. A fine early 1971 example of the “sledgehammer approach”. Recommended!!

Rock on,

Doc
In 1905 Albert discovered Relativity, in 1906 he invented Rock and Roll

Shipping woes(and other tiny deaths)

Based on the last 3 months of ordering and (not) receiving items in anything close to a reasonable time frame, I am DONE tracking, worrying, thinking, waiting, etc. IF my order ships/arrives, I’ll be ever so grateful. I have driven myself NUTS following my cds around and around these 50 great states. I have enough crap to drive me nuts already. This is EXTREMELY difficult, as I am sure most of you are just like me. I want it, and I want it now. Patience is not my game, but I’m going to try and learn it. In the end, I have no fu@@ing choice!! Peace to all.

I WANT MY MUSIC!!😖😫😭😩☹️

Looks like...2021

it's a RCMH box w/video.

10/29/80. Candyman Radio City Music Hall

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zpNITaz92SI. Four winds, I hope your right, that would be a very cool box set.

RIP John Russell

Possibly a name not known to the majority but John Russell who has recently died was a prolific guitarist on the, mainly London, free improv circuit. I am currently playing the Emanem reissue of the ‘Teatime’ album from 1975 that includes his playing in memory of his passing. Coincidently, I am currently reading the new Trevor Barre book “The London Musicians’ Collective”. John Russell was one of the founding members.

1-24-71

Miller torrent on Lossless Legs.
gd1971-01-24.150274.sbd.miller.flac16

https://www.shnflac.net/download.php?id=48b75340a888c18ca8ddf952f08602d…

Recording Info:
SBD > Master Reel > Cassette > DAT (44.1k)

Transfer Info:
DAT (Tascam DA-40) > Tascam DA-3000 > Samplitide Pro X5 Suite > FLAC
(2 Discs Audio / 1 Disc FLAC)

Patch Info:
SBD > Master Reel (dead.net taper's section stream)
Good Lovin (0:40 - end of track)
Uncle John's Band (complete track)

All Transfers and Mastering by Charlie Miller
June 24, 2020

Notes:
-- Thanks to Joe B. Jones for confirming the pitch

Setlist:
01 - Truckin'
02 - China Cat Sunflower >
03 - I Know You Rider
04 - It Hurts Me Too
05 - Cumberland Blues
06 - Casey Jones
07 - Sugar Magnolia
08 - Hard To Handle
09 - Turn On Your Lovelight >
10 - Not Fade Away >
11 - Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad >
12 - Turn On Your Lovelight >
13 - Drums >
14 - Good Lovin'
15 - Uncle John's Band

Fourwinds, RCMH Box

That’s the infamous ‘2020 2nd Box’ that was inferred from Dave’s chat regarding something that needed to be able to breath in the fall.
It was delayed due to Covid.
Thus, there should still be another 2021 Box.

At least that’s what I’m hoping for.

2021 Box
Doc’s Picks 71 Box

2022 Box
HF’s Picks Fall 72 Box

2023 Box
All ABB/GD 73 shows

2024 Box
All remaining unreleased 74 shows.

2025 box....

....Sept '70 Fillmore East soundboards. Because time travel by then.
Firing up the John Deere.

Whatever the box is, I say...

like monty python and the holy grail...

"GET ON WITH IT!"

Okay, hold it right there!

IceCreamed, you unilaterally decide to delay MY '72 box to next year, while Vguy is talkin' 2025???

Hold on just one doggone minute, pleeeez! Let's look at the "facts" through the lens of my personal hallucinations.

First off, look at 2020 -- DL combined the band's two most iconic LPs' 50th anniversary with '71 shows. Couple points here. The synching of releases to present year is purely a thing with the 50th anniversary projects themselves, not the boxes. That said, DL has hinted that the Wake of the Flood 50th is coming this year, as DL noted they would speed the anniversary process, so the next one, Blues for Allah, will come in 2022, not 2025. But the accompanying shows may or may not synch up, as we saw with last year's two 50th releases. There's a dearth of '70 shows in the Vault, so DL couldn't spare two '70 shows in 2020. Thus, he used two '71 shows because they were already mixed in the can. So bets are off that the 2021 box means '71 or that 2022 means '72. (Besides, we just got two '71 shows last year.)

With 'Wake' coming out with a '73 show attached (watch it be a two-disc Watkins Glen soundcheck, woo-hoo!) and with 73-74 having been covered by the 2018 box, you have to look at what key year hasn't been covered recently. The last '72 show released was 8-25-72 and that was in 2017. (Three and a half years later, I still remember how much I enjoyed the first set...)

I mean, I've never been wrong before. Except on every single box prediction.

All roads lead to '72 this year. You've heard it here constantly since.... gawd, how long have I been prattling on about a '72 box???

2020 second box/2021 box

It could have been Oakland December '80? Looks like they were all recorded MSR.

I think I would rather have this box.

On the other hand...

There's some blather on 'another forum' that DL teased that the box might be acoustic '80, as in the leftovers from Warfield/Radio City/New Orleans shows.

Of course, I read that immediately following my latest '72 rant.

At least I was right about being consistently wrong................

RCMH Box

Dave has mentioned a few times on Twitter that the tapes of much of the Warfield and RCMH run were erased (recorded over, actually) in the early 1980s. Unless there is an update, it seems unlikely they can do a box.

Box talk

Box set talk, one of my favorite subjects. A December 1980 box would be cool, I went to all those shows. I heard someone on here talking about an April 1969 Avalon Box set, now that would be right up my alley. I like those April Avalon shows better then the Ark shows from April. But what the heck, they could release them both as an Avalon/Ark box set, and everybody would be stoked. Of course there is always the complete Oct 1974 Winterland audio and video box set, that would sell out in minutes . I'm sure it will be cool whatever it is that they release.

Box Set/Hendrixfreak

Hendrixfreak, what was the other forum you were looking at with Dave L. talking about the 2021 box set? That would interesting to check out.

10/31/80 RCMH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEmJlxYAxps

If it is RCMH here is an example of how the box will sound.
This sounds nothing like the dvd release.

Fever Pitch

All this Box Talk.
Many thoughts brewing.

As I sonically embraced 10/14/89 the other night, I was like, Man, they need to release this whole run. We already have Nightfall of Diamonds, but the others surrounding that show are really really good, too. I keep going back to the orphan Scarlet Begonias in this second set, it's a good one at almost 13 minutes and indicative of the corners they were turning. I may also assume the entire run is on 24-track, eh? Similar to Nightfall. Here's 10/14 for that Scarlet:

https://archive.org/details/gd1989-10-14.147664.UltraMatrix.sbd.cm.mill…

Rock on. And Bring on the BOX(es). Not to be greedy....but, yeah Boxes.
Sixtus

DeadVikes

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DeadVikes

Tried to PM you, but the message thingy doesn't recognize your tag.

Steve Hoffman Music forums. Plug in Dave's Picks 2021. See page 39 of discussion.

I thought it rude to mention another forum here. But DL was playing Reckoning on some platform and a commenter suggested it sounded like DL had acoustic '80 in mind for a box. It appears as if DL assented. I think the info is solid, just a matter of whether DL was being honest and blowing the surprise factor or whether he was being coy and keeping us guessing.

If we make it to spring, I guess we'll know.

Box announcement

Fall 1972 would be good, but1969 is the one that would make my pupils dilate. Or 1968.

Hendrixfreak

Thanks HF, I will do my best to try and hunt that info down. Who knows when they will release their 2021 boxset. It could be in the fall.

Always keep an open mind and a compassionate heart

Yo! Rockers!!!

I don't think TPTB like anniversaries, so I think a 71 box is out for this year.

Y'know, there have been a few 1980 A/E shows leaking out lately, maybe a preview of coming box attractions?

TPTB probably get tired of me advocating for a Fall 1972 Texas box. How about this:
February 1973 box:
2/9
2/15
2/17
2/19

Just a thought...……………

Rock on,

Doc
He who lives in harmony with himself lives in harmony with the universe

'80 acoustic reels

Yes, I too have read that some reels from the '80 acoustic shows were recorded over. But somewhere in the discussion it became apparent that there's still plenty of material there. The sheer number of shows means that leftovers could be generous. In light of that, or in spite of that, DL did put out those two full acoustic shows, what, two years ago, for RSD. Wonder if that led him to take inventory and he liked what he saw. On the other hand, I should think he'd have to have enough material for at least four one-hour discs to call it a box. And one would hope his standards would demand a few songs that haven't appeared yet on any release. So, 15 Warfield shows, 2 in NO, and 8 at RCMH. That's 25 shows. At least four acoustic shows' worth has been released: Reckoning and the RSD release. If half the shows were 'wiped,' that leaves ~12, of which ~4 have been released. So it's possible to do a box, if I'm anywhere near correct. (A phrase I'll have to remember to use in the future...)

If not, '68, '69 or .................. '72 will still get my money!

P.S. Hey Doc, genuinely glad to see you here and posting about '71. And '73. Thanks for everything, for real.

Last thought for the day, I swear....

This isolation has given me motor-mouth!

Not to suggest that an acoustic '80 box is likely, but I did check and these shows were recorded by Betty and the RSD two-show release from Oct. 9 & 10 was 'courtesy of ABCD Enterprises, which means they were among the returned Betty Boards. SO... that kinda ups the ante, no?

Okay, I'll stop.

Fall 80 reels

Dave did comment on them during one of the Shakedown Streams. Some were recorded over, but not all of them.

No idea if the list of returned reels is accurate, but it only lists acoustic as being on reels. There were cassettes returned too.
If those cassettes could be matrixed to sound like 11-30-80 that could work as a supplement to what exists on the remaining reels.

http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2020/09/the-new-alphabet-abcd-gd.html

Nice catch on Warfield being ABCD, hendrixfreak

I have a little spreadhseet where I'm tracking taper info and ABCD stuff, and I think I missed that. (Indeed, apparently last updated it with Giants Stadium Box and missed the Warfield release, and last opened it exactly a year ago oddly enough.) And I would assume those are 2 track Bettys, not the 16 track masters that she also taped, which would be the ones that got erased or taped over, because enough tidbits got out over the years about what was in there that you would think 16 track recordings of that many shows would have stood out, and wouldn't think even Betty would have gear at home to run those in her spare time, and they wouldn't want tapes for a live album being auctioned off. But, the Port Chester tapes were in there, so I guess best not to assume for fear of becoming an ass. If they do indeed have some returned 16 tracks from that run and are planning a box from it, I would rather they spend the time Plangent Processing them, while releasing both of Doc's suggestions: Fall '72 in Tejas plus those early Feb '73 shows to demonstrate the remarkable change 3 months made. It would be an even starker contrast than PacNW '73-'74. Plus, it would be some amazing shows.

Finally starting to listen to DaP 36 (still haven't gotten my order, but this one I bought on ebay), and I like the Matrix. The crowd does get a little annoying, but it's realistic, and SBDs have spoilt me. The best part of the matrix is Phil being audible, and you can feel him, too. Still in 1st set, but already better than same place on DaP 35.

re: Yes to Quattro '73

I, for one, will bow to our Early '73 Overlords any day of the week.
Doc's delicious 'First Four of Seventy Three' ring true.
What a tasty celebratory quad-fecta.
If ever there was a delight....Powers-that-Be, kindly take notice.

Sixtus

Great Thread

Love the box ideas...

Just dropped in...

To say I just finished a nice little documentary from PBS called Tuxedo Park about a rich science enthusiast who helped develop radar that won WWII, and was looking for something new, and lo and behold, Amazon has added Festival Express, and just before I hit play, in the suggestions beneath that was Grateful Dawg. For those that know neither of these, Festival Express documents the raucous train festival musical carnival of the Dead, Janis Joplin, The Band, Buddy Guy, and others as they traverse Canada emptying liquor stores, literally, along the way. Haven't seen it since it came out 15 years ago. Grateful Dawg is a documentary about Jerry's relationships with David Grisman and bluegrass. Haven't seen that in years, either. If you've got Prime, you can watch them free. The Tuxedo Park thing you may need a PBS add on subscription, but you get a ton of PBS documentaries with it... continue on wayward sons and daughters...

Dave’s 37

So where are the shipping notices already??!???! It’s the end of January

Shipping/Tracking

ADEDHED68 - No, not that I am aware. Soon I suspect. Or as Robert Hunter once wrote, 'gonna get there, I don't know.'

Shipping/Tracking

Thanks JiminMD, I guess they’re doing things differently now that they’re not putting a la carte up for sale until the release date (1/29). I just would’ve thought that the subscribers Daves 37 would have shipped by now

Shipping/Tracking

I have just seen my shipping notice for #37.

Shipping/Tracking

I too have just received a shipping notice. Maybe from now on its not going to be America first!

Shipping DaP 37

Shipping notice received, right on Simonrob!

Shipping notice received

Unfortunately, they’re still using mail innovations.

Mail innovations

From my own European experience I have not had any problems with mail innovations. Other Europeans certainly have had shipping problems but whether that is down to mail innovations is not obvious. Punters in the United States are the ones who seem to get the runaround from mail innovations with packages following bizarre routes around the country or simply disappearing into a black hole somewhere. It is both sad and absurd that some folks are still waiting for their copies of Dave's Picks 36.

Looking Forward To 2021 Releases

Really hope we get a 1969 show this year!

Raised Glass

A raised glass to a 1969 release. I second that.

Mail Innovations

This would be a good Seinfeld bit. What is the deal with mail innovations? There's no need for innovations to the mail. I ordered something, just send it over. As fast as possible. Thats it. Save your innovations for space travel.

Why not??

OK, I'll put in my 2 pence for a box. I nominate Doc to consult with Dave, and to choose a "Best Of '71" box.

I DON"T want a shipping notice. Gonna pretend I didn't order sub. and be surprised when they show.

To Colin, SimonRob, DAVEROCK and all of our European friends, I appreciate that you make little comments that let us know you all understand that most(all??) of us are ashamed of the crap that has been happening here lately. Just proof that politicians F**K it up for all of us.

Music is the Best!!

So I lied, and I'm baaaack

Here's food for thought from our long-lost friend "Kate," who used the runner symbol as her avatar. She posted this list from some (unknown to me) version of the returned Bettys on the SH Forum. My notes are in brackets, based on a Wikipedia listing of the expanded Reckoning set issued in 2004. (Original reckoning issued 1981.)

1980 - 11 REELS
09-27-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [nothing used from this date on Reckoning]
10-04-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [nothing used from this date on Reckoning]
10-06-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [nothing used from this date on Reckoning]
10-09-80 SF CA, 2 x 7” REELS Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [released last year]
10-10-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [released last year]
10-11-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [two trx released on Reckoning]
10-13-80 SF CA, 1 x 7” REEL Nagra 1/2trk 7.5ips Acoustic [two trx released on Reckoning]

That's five soundboard shows (minus 4 trx) that haven't seen release.

Cassettes
9/25/80 Warfield = 1 [nothing used from this date on Reckoning]
10/9/80 Warfield = 3 (labeled as 10/7) [soundboard released last year]
10/13/80 Warfield = 3 [two tracks released on Reckoning]
10/14/80 Warfield = 4 [four tracks released on Reckoning]

That's eight cassettes of three shows, minus 6 tracks already issued.

So, if this is accurate, DL actually as a shit-ton of acoustic '80 material on hand. The Compendium only lists audience tapes for the intervening NO shows. But if there are soundboards, that adds to the trove.

2019's RSD release reflects the fact that the acoustic Warfield sets were about 9-10 songs each. So the soundboards listed above would hold ~45 songs, of which four have been released. That leaves ~40 songs in the can. I do notice that one reel held the entire 10-9-80 set, whereas the 10-10-80 set is captured on two reels. So my math may be off.

On the cassette front, how much music is on 8 cassettes is anyone's guess. If I suppose those are 90 minute tapes, they'd get an entire set per cassette, with possible cuts due to the tape flip. But if 8 cassettes hold three entire shows or 27 songs minus six already released, that's ~20 more songs in the can.

So, this speculative post would suppose possibly 60 unreleased songs. (~80, if the NO shows were taped.) Now, to the curating... imagine that there's a few clunkers in there. Shave it down to 50 songs. Then there's the question of the wisdom of song repeats. If the curation is done chronologically, akin to the Owsley Stanley Foundation archival approach, then song repeats are no obstacle. (In fact, then you add in the 10 tracks that have been released, which would appear in context in their respective shows.) Still, if you go with 10 songs/tracks per disc, that's 5 discs. 7 discs if the NO shows exist in good form.

Would DL go with a 4-5-7 disc 'box'? Seems possible, even if it's not this year's premier ('72) box. In my obviously overheated imagination -- gawd, a year of house arrest has me in its maw -- here's my wish list for 2021:

April '78 coming soon.
9-7 & 9-8-73 w/bonus due in April. (I caught 9-8-73 in person, so yea!)
(4) disc mini-box of Warfield acoustic performances; RSD release?
(4) show/(12) disc med-sized box from fall '72
Two more DP's to finish the subscription year.

Coffee very strong today, I'd hazard to guess.

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