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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #2311
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    per jgmf (jerry garcia's middle finger) blogspot - there were 2 shows, 4/24 and 4/25, and what we have is almost certainly from 4/25.

    also a mention of another show shrouded in mystery with no circulating tapes - 4/26/70 at Poynette Wisconsin. There are photos of that show, and first hand accounts, and being a kid from the midwest it piqued my interest a while ago.

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    Sis got to see the first show at that newly remodeled roller rink too. Right before the Hammond/Dead show she saw Jethro Tull and the Denver band Zepher with lead guitarist Tommy Bolin! Dang! I didn't know how pure hippy she was back then. A legacy. Waiting on a call from her to get the whole low-down. Seems the Denver cops got The Family Dog (see Canned Heat drug bust) and Mammoth Gardens both shut down to cut down on juvenile delinquency. A Denver civic leader was quoted as saying, "The place is going to Hell in a handbasket". But at least we're enjoying the ride!
    Cheers and thanks Blue Crow.

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    Just like flu?

    Jeez, P.T. sorry to read about all that. I know shit happens, but that's an avalanche. I hope it doesn't get you down too much, and that you have a steady recovery. A friend of mine said he had bad trouble breathing when he caught it last February - but he was okay after about three weeks. So here's hoping it won't last too long for you either.

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    Got a soft spot for mammoths.

    1st Show - thanks for the rec. I love this acoustic/electric era. Listening to the sirmick transfer on relisten (sirmick trnsfers are quality for me). yes, a bit back-of-the-hall but truly very much listenable to my ears. both Jerry and Phil plus vocals and overall "sound" well captured in terms of energy. you can easily relax into this tape. plus its an excellent freaking show. Epic Dark Star > Stephen > William Tell > Eleven (last one?). On a side note this lead me to a nice DeadEssays blogpost by Light in Ashes on audience tapes from 1970. Typical thorough rundown. Plus bonus content in that in the comments there are a whole bunch of interesting taper war stories from back in those earlier days.

    Oro - guitar preferences understood. To my ears Lightning Bolt had a very "clean" sound and at times almost like he was playing an acoustic. I think the Travis Beans were similar in having what I would describe as clean sound. While I loved the TB he was playing in '77, the one in '76 not so much for a long time. June '76 box finally set me straight on that. Skull and Roses Jerry sound is a favorite and I only learned in past couple years that he was playing the Rick Turner Peanut which I hadn't even really known existed, let alone its place in '71 history. And just yesterday you posted that Rick Turner had passed away. RIP.

    Edit - And now, after some "research", I freaking learn that Jerry was playing Rosebud in Seattle '94. Read that he switched to Rosebud for Summer '94 and checked a photo and damn that's what he playing. Ha. Guess my ears not as calibrated as I would think sometimes. Also read that he was playing Rosebud summer tour '95, including 7/9/95, (which I saw) because Lightning Bolt was "in the shop". However - Rosebud had some technical issues mid-show 7/9 and he finished the show with Tiger. He was playing Lightning Bolt for the '95 shows I saw in Seattle and Portland. Jam in Foolish Heart 5/25 perfectly expresses what I loved about Lightning Bolt.

    PT Barnum - Whew. Dodged the bullet thank goodness. Speedy full recovery.

    A fine Sunday to crank some (Mammoth) Dead.

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    I have had all the shots, boosters etc. Last week I got out of the hospital after not being able to breath and could not complete a sentence. I started feeling bad on Thursday, itchy throat. Then, Friday, bad chills, fever, just an all around feeling of death. Got thru the weekend but by Monday, could not breath and was literally gasping for breath. Called the VA nurse and told her my symptoms, she said "Get to the Emergency Room, now." So I went. Turns out after all my precautions, I got covid. They treated it with new antibiotics and by Friday I was able to return home. I am still on O2 and can't really go anywhere or do anything. Still weak as a puppy and am attached to this breathing machine that produces O2 by stripping the Nitrogen out of the air and gives you pure oxygen. I have no brain fog, none. I have no stamina either. Simple tasks are a burden and any thing strenuous can't be done.
    On top of it all, I went to the store with my portable O2 tank, did some shopping for food stuffs, and checked out, got to the car and opened the door, turned around and the cart was rolling down the parking lot with my groceries in it. I turned in pursuit and tripped over my own feet and fell to the ground, o2 tank crashing to the ground along with disabled me resulting in bloody scrapes and a huge blood blister on left hand where most of the weight landed. Nothing broken luckily. Now, I have my groceries delivered. I don't go out. I don't drive.
    Lost a filling upper left too, and then there was the car accident with my wife driving. No one hurt, just the car, 7000.00 damage done to the passengers side both doors and rear quarter panel. Got to close to a pole.
    In closing, shit happens to us all, you got to roll with it. I think soon I will be actually rolling with it, in my wheel chair.
    Stay cool deadheads.
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    Spirit - The Complete Potatoland
    Budgie - Never turn your back on a Friend.
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    GOGD - 5-25-72 Disc 3 from the trunk
    GOGD - 5-11-72 Disc 3 from the trunk (Dark star>drums>Dark star)

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    52 years ago today my older sister, the one who can roll a joint one handed while driving, was at her first (and only?) show and tripping to primal Dead. Trying to find out, as some reviews have said, if this was one show or two. Deadbase lists as two nights with the first night having an acoustic then electric set that ends in Drums, with the second night (4/25/70) being electric starting with Dark Star and going through some grease with Pig's Man's World in there for what seems like a short set list. Was this a rain-out or a curfew? One reviewer said it was one night with a tape cut in Man's World and he likened the sound to being recorded in a bathtub. Not high praise but he did like the primal nature of the beast. Any ideas?
    Thanks and cheers
    Edit: The notes from the five versions on the Archive seem to indicate one show and there never was a 4/24 show. Looks like the five entries are from only two sources and the others are improved versions. Especially interesting are the citations of a Feeling Groovy and Tighten Up jams in the Dark Star. Gotta give this a go! Now, how do you download from the Archive?

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    Lol, sorry BC, I was worried my words were not going to be right.
    I liked this show, it just made me think, remember, which in itself is ok.
    But those were changing times and sometimes there’s residual baggage attached?
    And I’m always preaching you shouldn’t compare apples to oranges etc, and so yes, for the time it was a fine show and I enjoyed it, and appreciate being guided to a 94 show that was enjoyable, because unfortunately, not all are as consistent. I’m glad to check out any era as long as the show is up to the standards of said era, actually, I’m pretty game for anything lol. But there can be a difference in consistency and quality between randomly picking say a 77 show or a 94-95 show, the odds that is, no?
    I just have the perhaps bad habit by modern standards of critiquing what catches my ear, both good and not so good, but that doesn’t necessarily mean I don’t enjoy the show. That’s why I listen, to see how every show is different, and It’s often easier to pick out the miscues than the subtle golden yummies. Also, I can tell folks often don’t get what I’m trying to get at, but that’s on me I’m sure. But it’s all good and that’s why this here gathering spot is called with discussion!
    Oh, same with the guitar thing: it’s not that I don’t like it, I just like it less than others, same with the Travis Beans. It’snot that I don’t like, I just like Tiger more etc. I’ve usually embraced the evolution in the dead’s sounds as the years rolled by, but the industrial later 90s stuff I didn’t like AS much. But it’s grown on me over the years, same with Vince in some ways. Just need more quality exposure. Like an athlete, need more reps etc!

    JIM: hang in there amigo, I feel like life’s piling it up a little your way?
    Sure don’t need to remind ya: “ if you get confused, listen…”
    Another interesting day.
    Mañana amigos!

    PS, Dooaahh, thanks for correcting my venue information error. I usually check those things but being in a hurry did not. Gotsta keep it real!

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    Those two are a package deal.. The Phil Space Extravaganza. Somebody must have put something in his coffee.

    I wasn't able to hit 4/18 but I plan to revisit it at some point soon. Nearly stranded in the middle of nowhere today, flat tire and issues that can sometimes come with that. All is good, got a little sunburn but had a great day. No listening though.....

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    Oro - those Seattle shows are at 2 different venues, though just blocks apart. Coliseum is indoor, Memorial Stadium is outdoor. I think at that time Memorial Stadium was used primarily for High School football playoffs, it wasn't all that big.

    Gonna have to agree to disagree somewhat on the '94 show. I didn't run Set I this time around so need to do that, but I think it's solid good show, esp. given the time period. Scarlet > Fire had that extra juice and, like I said, Jerry's cup runneth over on the Dew. and I can't ask for anything more. You're not the first I've heard by any means who didn't like Jerry's guitar sound at the time. Me? I really liked the sound of Lightning Bolt, which I think Jerry was playing that night. As chance would have it I actually attended the first Lightning Bolt show, which was the Jerry Garcia Band 8/7/93 right there in Memorial Stadium. Also saw the first Lightning Bolt Dead shows, which were later that month in Eugene. Not that I actually knew that he was playing a new guitar, I wasn't that dialed into the equipment. But Jerry's tone in all three shows sounded excellent to me. The JGB show was an afternoon affair and top shelf - release worthy later era JGB in my opinion. I think Jerry enjoyed it so much that that's how the Dead ended up playing the same venue in '94 and '95. Memorial Stadium was probably about as chill a venue as you could have in those last years. My youngest brother was out visiting that month, so backpacking, camping, and music. It was an awesome time.

    I'll check out the '83.

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    Holy shit!

    You guys have never heard 4/18/82, especially liking spring 82…blimey!
    I haven’t mentioned it because I just assumed, and we all know what happens when we assume, that everyone has heard that one! Well, look at the upside, you guys are in for a treat as the whole show is good, not just the cherry.

    6/13/80: good job Senior Wiseman sp? sorry.
    Interesting show too. Overall thought it was good, JG seemed to struggle at times and I don’t think I’ve heard him having so many tuning issues since tuners and custom guitars? Perhaps some kind of guitar issues?
    Good show though, really dug the new tunes that they didn’t always seem to have their parts down.
    Interesting catching 6/13/94 next. Same venue, same day, just FOURTEEN years later!
    The 94 was ok, but sounded like they might of been back too far as you can hear way more of the venues acoustic signature. I believe Nitecat said he was using a high stand in FOB? That would certainly reduce the venue, ambience and crowd! Can’t wait to check out more! We need a list so we can work em into rotation.
    That is if you SB snobs can handle it lol, JUST TEASING!
    The 94 was good. Er, hard to put into words…tired and industrial came to mind. The former was more a vibe, but seemed to cover much until Bird Song, which had a little extra, but that’s where I thought of the latter. It sounded industrial, which I don’t mean good or bad, just different? I’ve not been a big fan of Jers guitar sound during this era.
    It’s not bad, just different? Bob changed axes and crap constantly, but besides effects etc, Jer kept that trademark sound mostly intact up until here. I don’t think it’s not using live speakers on stage since that happened in 92. Perhaps it’s that different guitar (forget the name) he was using, or perhaps something in line?
    Felt like it sounded like a cheap piezo pickup on a plastic ovation like guitar through a crappy amp. Of course I’m exaggerating but it did sound different, for good or for Ill, your taste may certainly differ.
    But the show picks up more in the second and though I did enjoy it, it reminded a little of the feelings we started to have in those days, like gulp, it might end! But all these years later I’m able to listen with different sort of ears, and don’t suffer from the hangups I had back then. So was it a 74 Beatty, no, but so what, it was still an enjoyable performance by the best band in the land. Thanks for the pick. Since not all shows from then are as consistent, it’s nice to have picks when venturing into foggy territory!
    Oh, BC, if you’ve not done so, perhaps check out one of my 83 favs from that Seattle venue, 8/27/83!
    Make sure you get the right version? Can’t recall but you want to hear it on speakers not cans, at least Jack Straw!
    Hint, PHIL!

    Daverock, back at ya!

    GF: no I’ll intent ment. We just felt you misspoke, but you have since clarified and the wheel keeps turning!
    Be well and rock on brother!
    PS: I remember some of this horrible experience you went through before but being forgetful myself had forgotten just how horrific it was. Glad you made it and are here with us!

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 08:51

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I caught a few but missed most of the summer '85. I did get most of them on tape pretty quickly though. Riverbend, SPAC, Merriweather Hershey (Frost and Greeks?)..

Anyway, in 85 I was pretty hurting on funds and young.. but I caught a few. FF to the early 90's, grad school and my career unfortunately took root, so less shows. Things didn't really slow down until I began travelling less, post 2010. A few summers ago I decided to start going to some of those venues I missed.. saw Further, D&C and Phil in some of those venues.. Blossom, Riverbend, the Capitol, still trying to get to SPAC.

I really enjoyed Blossom, a really sweet outdoor shed and a great place to see shows. I bet those in attendance in the summer of '85 for the most part had a special time in a great venue.

I did pull down Blossom pretty early on when the Archive started housing shows, so I have listened to it a bit in the last ten years. Been a while though so this is a good refresher and a trip down memory lane.

Anyone else window shop GD venues of old? I especially love the quaint theatres they used to play in the 70's. One day I will do a little Europe tour and hit as many of the E72 tour as I can. Since I missed that tour, why not use it as an excuse to travel and take in a little history and culture.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 10:19

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It’s funny how one ripple from no pebble tossed can suddenly open up such a wealth of memories and other threads...

DV: more like call of the Weird! ; )

BOBT: with the shout out to the hometown girl

GOGO: I feel ya, seeing 85 would of been nice, but 6/30/86 as a first show is pretty -#$&*& cool in my book. There were times I considered that perhaps my best show....I think now that was heavily situational, and you really had to be at that one...besides all the crazy zen barges and riverboats coinciding with the lyrics at EXACTLY the precise moment etc, and from what I recall it was like a DM zone after the show with perhaps more rockets and fire works zipping’ around, crazy energy, or maybe that was just us? LOL...another one that doesn’t fully illuminate itself on tape...awesome first show! and hey, much of my love for 85 comes from a huge convergence of age, tenure in the culture, venues, the scene at the time (perhaps the peak of how big and crazy it could get before it all went too far?) and of course the music.
So yeah, maybe you weren’t ready yet, or the cosmic shift hadn’t occurred? I’ve heard enough of these stories to think there’s something to some of that?
Dave talking about the 4/15/78 Passenger and about balls out almost jumping the tracks etc...that to me is 85 in a generalization. Sure sometimes there were wrecks and floundering, and yes JGs voice could at times sound like he had the worst cold ever, but what gets me is the danger, the excitement, the riding the edge, which as HST said no one really knows where the edge is except those who go over it.
Oh, that and they started bringing back some cool tunes which gave hope that they’d perhaps take back up more of their primitive form. Perhaps regress back to Dark Stars and big weirdness in general. Really liked their sound then too. It was yet another unique niche among all the years combined. It’s a shame it gets so little love.

BLOSSOM: shoulda, woulda, coulda....sigh...then again, that 2 day party in Toga might of been worth missing it?
It’s hard to decide looking back all these years?
A couple of my band/house mates went to Blossom and thought it was great. I only had the first set on tape and until I did the whole tour (4/28-7/13) last summer to celebrate the 35 anniversary, hadn’t heard the whole show. It was perhaps the biggest eye opener of the tour for me. Yeah, I knew good and well about several of the shows, but didn’t know how good Blossom was. My tape was a little too crispy so that mighta been a factor why I didn’t delve as much into it back then?

JIM/VENUES: it is cool to check out the old hallowed halls and venues. Furthur fest tour in 96 took us to several: the Gorge, Irvine, KC, Veneta, Park City, Phoenix etc that I’d not been to, and moving to Colorado brought Red Rocks, the Denver Philmore, Telluride, Rocky Grass and other cool places. Unfortunately still never been to the Greek or the Frost. Always thought Laguna Seca must of been fun?

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 13:19

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Old CD-R I burned more than 10 years ago.
Still plays so far, no disc rot.

OB - I dig what you're laying down. So cool we were both there all those years ago and here we are now..
wait, where are we?

And yeah 6/30/86 was a great first show.
All I can say is Gooney Bird!
It's been a helluva trip ever since, for sure :)

Ah... Maybe missing that Cryptical is what made me obsessively collect all this music.
'85 rules.
This 3/9/85 show is kicking butt too. China Cat > Cumberland.. Hot Damn!

I must give a shout out to 4/4/85, it was the first Brent Dead that I ever heard, and I love that show.
My GD mentors came back from that tour and popped in that tape and blew my mind.
Wait a minute, these guys are still touring?!?!
I gotta know more.

And yeah, I love me some venue research.
NY 1967-1971 is probably my favorite time frame for stories.
That scene was like no other from the sounds of things.

Am I right Strider?

Good times you all.
1985 is making my day!

PS - No Disc rot

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 14:30

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Yaaaahooooooo!!!!!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 01/30/2021 - 15:07

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Yes

Dave, please hear my plea

Also, 80 and 81

There must some releaseable shows in there

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Submitted by bob t on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 07:33

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Its audience but their is a good Rob B. and charlie miller source!!! If I remember good Playing sequence and a funky Scarlet Begonias. Enjoy the snow storm everyone... Bob t

Alright, I am going to check it out Bob t. Thanks for the pick.

Interested in what you all think of #37? Still no tracking here.

Stay well.

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sun, 01/31/2021 - 09:26

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glad to give 7/21 a spin!

have been digging another not-so-well-known '74 show -
Olympia Halle, Munich - 9/14/74. I really really like the Usbourne matrix - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1974/09/14. nice balance and the audience adds some cool atmosphere in places. No board for first 4-1/2 songs but largely complete after that. Sweet well played show. Added bonus - a complete Seastones!! ; )
If folks aren't familiar with this show highly recommend.

folks in the snow zone have fun and stay safe. beautiful sunny day here on the mesas and in the hills of Ootah. no Dave's 37 or notice. its always a fresh shipping adventure with each release. Glad its already showing up on a few doorsteps.

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 04:37

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This mini tour from Winter 78 has the amazing Uni-Dome Show.... There is a good Charlie Miller board on Internet Archive. This tour to me has a complete different feeling than April and May 78. No set yet in Rhode Island. Bob t

Uptown must be in the air as we begin some February magic :)

I was just talking about 1981 Uptown shows. (Who am I kidding, it was typing, not talking;)
Threw on the jam out of He's Gone from 2/26
Now I kinda want to listen to all of those.

But first!
I'm hip to some Uptown '78
BobT is back and on a roll.
'74 was fun yesterday.

EDIT - And look at those openers.. look familiar to anything coming in the mail?

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Submitted by bolo24 on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 12:24

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I'm a grandpa! Traveling this week to see our beautiful new granddaughter. And a grandson is due in April. Feeling particularly blessed today.

Speaking of happy, happy, joy, joy, I always liked seeing Jerry enjoying himself onstage. So, here's a link to one such occasion that many of you have probably seen before. An enjoyable hour, but if you just want to see the Jerry parts, he's in the intro, makes an appearance with Carlos Santana around the 13:25 mark, and with Ruben Blades around 48:24. The DVD had a bonus feature with Jerry and Carlos rehearsing - great stuff if you can find that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wh8E5SDG3I

And tomorrow is Groundhogs Day - life keeps getting better!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 15:27

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Congrats old man...will this be your first?
I wish I had grandkids....Boompa Pedro....”hey kid, pull my finger” hee-hee!
Yeah I wish I had grandkids but without having to have kids first ; )

Was decent, nice jam sequence, sound was a bit funny/distorted at times, but glad I heard it!
Doing 6/22/73 as extra credit...just cause I’m behind on this box and got sucked in by Kiethfans Shroder shreds Playing carrot....

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Submitted by bob t on Mon, 02/01/2021 - 19:09

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To you and your family!! Good news also makes my day!!! Bob t

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 07:53

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PROUDFOOT - I'm sorry to hear that's happening to you man. It's rough out there. Hang in there and just know we're here for you man. Everybody has to make tough choices in life, but some are harder than others. Choose well.

BTK mentioned some epic shows happening on this day in GD History (I know we don't do that here, just saying)
And yes Billy you are correct.
Listening to 2/2/69 as I type, fun hearing a young Jerry berate the crowd for being kinda lame. And then launching into a fairly blistering set of epic '69 Dead tunes. Ahh... those were the days.

As we've discussed a bit, the 68 PNW tour is a favorite.

It must've been in 1998, the Crystal Ballroom hosted a 30 year anniversary party and spun the tapes in the Ballroom real loud, and let peeps come and party.
It was pretty awesome.
The Crystal is an amazing venue and all refurbished and immaculate with a sprung dance floor that is so fun to move and groove upon.
I'm pretty sure Gans was there spinning the tapes.
At that time I hadn't heard them in quality like that if at all.
So it was mind blowing.
I was such a junior head at that time, in regards to knowledge and GD history. And my focus was entirely upon getting high and listening to music, so I did not take the opportunity to learn anything or meet anyone who knew stuff. But me and my friends sure had fun that night.
Shit, I don't even think I was using a computer yet.
Shortly after that I believe I got my first.
Darn you David Gans for being so much smarter than me!
And thank you for teaching me so much stuff about this band, you sir have been a guiding light to many good times.

And lets not forget that gem that DL released with 2/2/70, I need to refresh my memory on those tapes, but wasn't that just a partial SBD floating around before it's official release?
I love it when that happens.

Fun Memories.
Memories.
That was fun.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 12:37

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...went with this today as I, still trying to get acquainted with this monster. Wow, awesome Dark Star (a, aren’t they all ; )
Think Phil was slipping in some King Solomon’s licks in there, and then this mofo 73 Eyes which seems like a 74! Holy cow, now slipping into a almost up beat China Doll...
Might try for extra credit with that 8/31/80 that folks be praising on another page...not sure I’ll have time as I think I need to go to the PO for 37 since I HAVE To go to THE “store” , then decontaminate after....shits still raging here due to bad combination of tourists and locals being too cavalier.....haven’t been anywhere in weeks, but when the going gets weird...

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 13:47

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lol...

perfect phrase for breaking the GD fast

LET IT GROW

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 16:05

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We've all been there, don't be hard on yourself.

Oroborous, way to go man.. get comfy in the PNW Box. I love it.. it's one of those pieces of music where I feel it's ok not to listen to each and every song. These are long shows and repeat listens of certain sections is not always required..

Been away a lot these last few days. ..so my listening was often determined by what was on my device at the time. Having a blast in the Mid Atlantic. Can't wait until fun can be had with people again god forbid crowds and amplifiers.. but making the best of here and now.

Be good all.. stay safe, stay warm.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 02/02/2021 - 18:51

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Hey Oroborous, the PNW Box continues to get better at least to my ears after each listen. Let me know your thoughts after you listen to 6/26/73. What a show!

That Other One/Me and Bobby McGee to the Other One is wild!

Enjoyed the 78 show Bob t and the audience recording of the Hollywood Bowl, 74.
Stay well folks.
Still no tracking for this kid. Label created.....This is starting to remind of Dave's 36.☹️

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 06:26

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OB - I need to dust off that set again.
Feels like I get a release listen to it once and grok on how excellent it is..
And then dive into collecting a bunch of bootlegs and forget about the release.
Might be OCD.

If you all haven't checked out 2/2/70 in awhile, I highly recommend dusting that off.
Smoker!
Dark Star > St. Stephen > Mason's - That's just sick!
Good times.

I'm hoping my POD will be DaP V37 based on the tracking text I just got, says between 11:30-3:30.
I guess we'll see.

Starting off the day with some Ace Demos, I don't think I've listened to this all the way through.
I wonder what became of "Unknown Song"
I can't place it.
A little E Minor 7 9 Modal spin 4th uh uptempo bullshit

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 11:28

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...tip toeing through the tulips of the mighty PNW.
Didn't get to the extra credit show. Faulty time, and we all know time! and I had to listen to 6/24s disc three again, man that’s some good sheet...lol what the hey, gonna hit a few songs from 24th again today including the DS....😎

Received 37 last night, but Lovey’s working at home in my office today and I always try to give each new release (at least the first virginal listen) the full proper treatment listening via the big boy chair on the big system so that’ll have to wait until manana!
So since I can tell ole DV is itching for me to hit 6/26/73 (like I needed any prodding ; ) I guess will start with that. (After that DS again lol)

Actually starting to rain here, with supposedly snow later. As much as I’ve enjoyed the easy winter, we need it bad!.
It’s been sorta cold but one of the driest winters I can remember for the 22 years we’ve been up here. Crazy the East coast etc is getting pounded and we’ve not had shite this winter. That fire was close enough to get a person thinking last year so really hoping we have a wet spring.
Point being good day to work in the basement on the Theatre. Since I can now play stuff off the music server on upper level down on the basement system etc. it’ll be a perfect day to be in the pit, and a perfect day for a long 73 show!
Trying to get my Height layer in and LFE subs going. I have some B&W speakers laying around and an extra 5 channel Mac amp I was originally going to use for the master, so might just as well travel the elegant way eh!
Main reason I’m doing this is not so much for atmos (shitty format) or movies, but for music and concert videos etc. Auro 3D upconversion for stereo or fake surround sources can be magnificent!
It’s not some crazy surround deal with like one drum coming from each speaker, but a subtle but powerful use of the psychoacoustic space that when done right can make you feel more like your experiencing a live event. I’ve only used the 2D version so far on my 6.1 set up, so I’m really stoked to play dead videos or hell anything using the 3D set up.
Ssssssllllaaaappppp.......sorry, started geeking out there hurumph...
Yeah Jim I have been cheating a bit on some of these. Like only did the last 2 discs yesterday and cut some tunes off of the first one. I know you full show purists are looking at me funny, but I have to be careful I don’t get too burnt.....
Like Eecktar’s rule of relativity states “a little bit of something is better than all of nothing”
Onward!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 02/03/2021 - 20:51

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Great Post Ouro.. Love the Tiny Tim reference. We must be close to the same age, because I remember when this guy was making the rounds on TV and pop culture.

So.. as a weird mind works and knowing there was a kinship between Wavy Gravy and Tiny Tim.. plus it's midnight.. I googled Tiny Tim on Acid (seemed logical to me). I somehow thought, surely Tiny dosed.. well, I was wrong but the search brought up the quite recent article by our beloved Blair Jackson. A fairly well researched piece (no surprise here), quite informative. I knew Tiny Tim was well versed in old music, but leave it to Blair to fill the gaps and keep it all interesting. I would not be surprised if there was a closer tie to the GD than Wavy Gravy, but the hour is getting late... save some fun for tomorrow.

Thanks Oroborous for leading me on this interesting tangent. ..at least interesting to me.

https://www.ukulelemag.com/stories/the-strange-and-improbable-rise-of-t…

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 06:32

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What's on tap for today.

Per Jim's suggestion yesterday I hit up Dave's #1. What a show. It never gets old to me.

Maybe we should take a look at the January 2017 Dave's release, #21? A little Boston Garden 73.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 09:05

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Did not know any of that about TT...I thought he was “acting”, trying to be that odd. Fug yeah, when the going gets weird lol. Glad I could help lol. Great article, miss his Dead stuff...
I guess for me a good day is when I throw something out there, especially if it’s weird, and it lands somewhere, and perhaps gets a little flow going. It fascinates me how/what little cues can trigger, especially with an older drug addled mind, all kinds of things that haven’t been thought of in a very long time etc.
Like Tiny Tim on TV as a lad>> Laugh In>> different characters etc>>other childhood sixties TV memories>> and on and on!
Funny I’m rehashing the weirdness from 6/26/73 TOO while watching TT videos lol. Yeah, hard to believe he never tripped. Fortunately/Unfortunately? ...gotta wonder what would of happened had he been around Owsley and the boys!
Ok, it’s time for new Dave’s, then maybe I’ll hit some of that 4/2/73. Ole DV knows just how to scratch under my collar, WOOF!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:47

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Hard to believe it has been four years since this gem came out. It never fails. Top three, in my book China-Rider, that transition is unreal. Stella Blue, man, Jerry reall is on fire. His guitar is so crisp in this recording.
Your house must rock with that sound system you have Oroborous!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 17:59

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Several weeks ago we were discussing the reissue of Monterey Pop on BluRay and the addition of GD Viola in the bonus material.
Also added was Tiny Tim hanging out in the Green Room for Monterey Pop (a tent actually), sitting at a table with a few people, and playing old songs.

Pretty bizarre

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Submitted by carlo13 on Thu, 02/04/2021 - 21:53

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This show is what most other shows try to measure up too. So to speak. Tiny Tim at Monterey was bizarre. He acts so tutti frutti.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 07:00

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It’s was either that or children!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:04

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Oroborous, Ha! Way cheaper your way.

Carlo, I agree. And #21 was recorded by Rex Jackson and I believe the first Dave's Picks with the tapes provided by ABCD LLC.

Okay, who has a pick for today?

Alright Vguy, looks interesting and there is a Wang Dang Doodle. On it. Thanks.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 08:53

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Cool, another weird little nugget you wouldn’t normally think of.
Gonna hit the 4/18/78 stuff again first...too stoned, too early, dug 37 in fine style but fell asleep during Pittsburg lol.
Then this and I still want to catch 4/2/73....yeeshk, better get busy!

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Submitted by Thats_Otis on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:20

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Whoooah Nelly! Disc 3 of Dave's 21 (4/2/73) is one hell of a corker! Just off the top of my head (which is a lot less cluttered with hair these days,) I would have to say that this must be among the best single discs released in the whole series. Just gem after gem! I love when the madness of a jam winds down into "Bobby McGee" and the "Prelude>Eyes>China Doll" is exceptional. Wonderful stuff all around! Combine that with the greatness of discs one and two, and you have a TOP SHELF Dave's Pick!

Ok - 11/3/91? I think I will hook my new laptop up to my big boy stereo later today for some happy hour jams.

Happy Friday, DeadLand!

Peace

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 09:41

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Big River also captured my attention for the first time on this release.

Funny how things seep out of these releases even if you have listened to them dozens of times. But seriously, Big River was a wild and crazy jam on this night a couple months shy of 48 years ago. A practically flawless version.

Great pick VGuy

Check out 2-5-70 Dancing In The Street.
Listened to it while driving to work this morning, totally hit the spot.
I think it’s filler on 2-4-70 Family Dog which I was listening to yesterday in the car.

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Submitted by bob t on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:03

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2/5/78 Uni-Dome Scarlet>Fire...... one of those combos, where I like every version!! This one is one of my favorites!! Another random listen today is 9/11/74.... Between the Playing in the Band,,, Phil and Ned (12 minutes or so into the 41 minutes, is basically the whole band, and then Ned stays on for the entire Eyes of the World.... So 23 minutes for the Playing in the Band to end Set I, the 41 minute Phil and Ned (25 minutes or so of just pure 74 bliss) followed by 31 minutes of Eyes with Ned sitting in.... 90 minutes and basically vocals for only 2 songs..... Really wish this whole show would have been released..... Have a good weekend... Bob t

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Submitted by deadshow72 on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:10

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Great to hear the boys' impromptu occasional banter several times throughout the show. To those who tend to poo poo First Sets, give this one a listen and you'll surely see the light! Dark Star>Wharf Rat>DarkStar>Me & My Uncle to close out, can it be? - YES, the FIRST SET.

Not quite through the Second Set just now, Question: was this Playin' In The Band the first time played?

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 02/05/2021 - 21:47

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Nice show Vguy. Sound quality on this one is A+. Fun to hear the guys with Fogarty. Born on the Bayou! Neal Young with Forever Young, nice surprise and Touch of Gray to end the show. Nice!

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Submitted by bluecrow on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 06:13

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Pick-let of the day . . . .how about the partial second set from 2-19-73 - monster sequence and great sound. Like starting your day with some good, strong, fresh roasted coffee and a slice of homemade strawberry-rhubarb pie. Would love for the rest of this show to surface.

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1973/02/19 (Miller board)

Been awhile since I listened to 4/2/1973, need to cue that up for a deep listen.

Senator Oro - I think you mentioned Gimme Some Truth a few days ago. By chance last week was streaming Undercurrents Radio and they had a triple shot - Bless You, #9 Dream, Every Man Has A Woman That Loves Him. It all sounded amazing to me (just now the trumpet on Bless You!!) So I've been streaming parts of that compilation last little while - don't own any of Lennon's solo work. Really dig it.

edit - 11/3/91 somehow I've never listened to this. on it! and . . .

Onward!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 08:46

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Was the first live performance. I was there that night a few rows (4th or 5th) from the stage. Attended the following three nights also. Fifty years ago I refrained from smoking ganga for the three weeks leading up to that night. Was also jogging regularly and starting to clean up my diet. Smoked hash before the show. Almost got jumped/mugged hanging out at the side of the theater. Port Chester was also the home of Homelite Chainsaws. 1971, was also my first time to Oregon. Also the same year the film adaptation of the Ken Kesey great American novel “Sometimes A Great Notion” was released, with powerful performances by Henry Fonda as Henry Stamper and Paul Newman as Hank Stamper. One of my all time favorite books that I read my first time living in Oregon summer of 1972. I also loved the movie. “Never Give A Inch” (correct spelling from book and movie)

Hope you don't mind a question re personal history. Curious as to how you made the jump from NY to Oregon back in the day. Older brother? Solo on instinct? Seems like you were into the Dharma Bums trajectory a little?

Speaking of Gallup, a close friend of my parents was life-long in the railroad and when newly married was stationed there (ran the local operation?) for a few years back in late 50s early 60s i think. He spoke of it fondly, but I never really tried to get a deep history. He passed on a couple months ago - missed opportunity.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 02/06/2021 - 11:27

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11/3/91: fun little show. Just exactly the kind of off the beaten path kinda nugget that I might never find if not for this forum, thanks Vguy!
4/2/73: been sort sneaking around this one last couple days. Unfortunately been distracted for most but had a ear to ear grin session after finally settling down, sitting down and melding with disc 3 as I was messing with the Theatre system, so listening with Auro 2D on a 6.1 channel system while tweaking my LFE sub. I used my old Bass cabinet with 2 15” JBL E140s in custom Hard Truckers style cabinet, powered by old Crest FA901 amp from my playing days. I’m also using my old Furman crossover as the bass management in my MX 123 pre-pro is a little disappointing for the price point, but it does sound real nice!
So I’ve had mixed results with movies and not been able to get things where I want, so figured I’d tweak with some good sounding Dead and see what happens lol.
Well started getting things real nice pushing those amps and by the time Casey Jones came round I’m grinning like a maniac and it’s loud but clean and still headroom and if- I- Could- just- squeeze- a, little- more- right- now as they kick into the finale crescendo, holy shit that’s.......what?....?....rut ro...oops, the misses (all ready in a fine mood lol) is now trying to get my attention from the top of the stairs and didn’t really hear/comprehend much except;
A) mommas pissed (which is never good), and
B) something about “things are literally bouncing up here!) LOL

Too funny, and to think my system I had after I moved back in my folks basement BITD was even louder!
Not sure how they put up with all that? Probably figured “hey, their doing what the love and at least their not out doing drugs!” LOL!!! yeah, we’re doing downstairs instead!
Shit need to do that again...when she’s at work would probably be a good thing ; )
For scientific purposes if nothing else; still don’t know what the threshold is for noticeable distortion, or the edge if you will....need to check some db levels too!

BC check PM

STRIDER; Great Notion, one of my all time favs, think I like that more than Cuckoos Nest...haven’t read that in decades, probably due cept it is a bit of a commitment...not sure I’ve heard Never Give An Inch title? From quick look it looks like same movie? Haven’t seen that in forever either, that I have time for! Wonder if I can find it?

Giving 4/2/73 disc three another run through, then? Maybe second pass on 4/15/78? Maybe I’ll give #36 a swirl as I haven’t had a chance to play this one as much as I normally would a new Dave’s...still itching for more 90s research too.
Recently poked around with 3/20/92 from Boxilla which I was fortunate to be at. I remember really liking this one live, and did again all these years later. So thinking next day or so hitting the next night since I’ve never heard that one either...thinking I might go in order and try and hit all my post 91 shows and the few official releases through till the end. Not all at once, but work whatever’s up next in line into the daily show flow.
Ok, sorry for the coffee rambles...
Onward!