Grateful Dead

Thanks - I hear ya. I have SO much - like, everything. I certainly have enough where I can listen to tons of shows without being redundant. I've always re-upped my subs and gotten the boxes as a reflex/inertia, but I really don't NEED any more after this year's subscription expires. Lord knows I have enough to listen to, and have plenty of other hobbies to spend the money on. CDs are a fading format anyway.

I wonder if Dave L. realizes that people are considering not subscribing again because the customer service is so poor?

...have had some lineup changes in their long and storied career. They were still going up to 2020, after their inception round about 1956. Now under the direction of Marshall Allen, a joyfully anarchic sax player over 90 years old.

I came across them by accident supporting the MC5 about 20 years ago. After the 5's set, the Arkestra returned to the stage and both bands made merry hell together. If the damned were screaming, it was impossible to hear them.

I'm sort of in the same boat, thin. I'm not defending them and have about the same information as you (a black hole) but I get the feeling there are significant warehouse issues behind much of this. It's likely the right hand did not know what the left hand was doing and this Dave's Picks had something significant happen (thinking damage, theft or the like) so when your CD was returned it probably went back out to someone else that had their order completely flubbed up.

Again not an excuse you are right to be frustrated and it's fine to voice that frustration here and let off some steam. You have my sympathy. They do read these threads, hopefully things will get better.

I suspect there are more out there like Mike that are scratching their heads and pondering go forward options.

Wishing everyone a good week.. the days are beginning to get longer and as much as I am enjoying a good winter here in the Mid Atlantic, I can begin to see and smell spring right around the corner. Hoping to get my #37 perhaps as soon as today.

Jim - thx for your empathy. I'm sure there's a logical explanation, but we've ALL been hearing about the cluster bomb that is customer service at Dead.net and they just don't seem to care enough to fix it.

As for your comment "when your CD was returned it probably went back out to someone else that had their order completely flubbed up" - I agree that's a likely scenario, but that means they fixed one situation by screwing up someone else's order - mine. Then ignored my repeated requests to fix it for 3 months.

Not worth all the aggravation. If you're taking my money but then make me fight tooth-and-nail to get the product, then you're not getting my money anymore.

I just now received the same email as thin. Hopefully they will turn this around quickly.

Big thumbs up here, I have is Centennial Edition (24 disc set). Great set, great music.

Quick thought, old stuff.

We love to talk about how lucky we are for all these recordings. Sometimes I wonder are we luckier to have Armstrong from the 20's, that early Ellington stuff, Jolson recordings. Just to name a few. The effort to record live stuff, direct to vinyl I assume,,,,, I don't think they had tape,,,, talk about lucky to survive. I think the luck lies also in the fact they learned how to record music just when it was getting good :-) Really, before that, what, Stephen Foster!!

I know spring 78 (or 78 in general) isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it's right in my wheelhouse. I love this time period for the dead and i'm currently sitting in my home on a damp and cold winter day enjoying the hell out of it. I'm actually more excited for this than i am for #38. 1973 is among my favorite years but i've (almost) had my fill of releases from that year. Hope everyone is well, and hope everyone's shipping issues get resolved (god knows i've been on the wrong end of that at one point or another over the years).

as Ship of Fools plays

9/25/80

It sounds like they are playing inside a living room. Never been to Warfield Theater...it must be a shrimpkin place.

Side note: how can people not totally dig Spring 78?
4/8
4/10
4/14
4/15
4/21
4/22
4/24

all winners in my book

maybe the Rhythm Devils versions that go on and on and on?

Who cares? MORE Spring 78, Dave!!!

You guys aren't going to like this and I wasn't going to say anything but perhaps the time is right to pile on GDM. I was sent 3 Dave's Picks 36's. I only ordered one through subscription. I've returned the extras. It's not a well run operation.

You aren’t going to like this, my man...

Apparently, a different subscriber, hmammond13, received 14,000 Dave's Picks 36's... delivered by a big semi on six palates.

So glad 2020 is in the rear view mirror. Unfortunately 2021 is gasping for air.

Edit: On the bright side.. I got my Dave's 37 today.

Good Day Heads !

I have really enjoyed Dave's 37 so far. I'll admit I was not necessarily excited about the return to this run when we got the announcement, but this is a solid release in my book.

Recording sounds great. To me, the band sounds like they are inspired and having a good time on a lot of these songs. Both shows have a great vibe overall. No major favorites at this point, but Let it Grow, Morning Dew, and Sugaree all really did well for me.

Also, I really appreciate that Dave has been putting nice big fillers from other shows on the recent releases that would otherwise leave one really short CD, or a blank CD in this case. The fillers have added a lot.

Thank you Dave and team for getting this out there for us.

I hope everyone eventually gets a Dave's 36

Cheers ya'll

I don't recall seeing this one before. Then again, I'm old and in the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80dcUvmVWzM

This remind me of Laurel & Hardy in the March of the Wooden soldiers when Santa Claus order 600 hundred toy soldiers at 1 foot tall and they mistakenly build 100 toy soldiers at 6 feet tall! Yet they ended up saving the day and Toyland Town. Those Boogie Men were scary, Werewolves of London Scary. I'm Freakin' out just thinking about them!

I posted it a couple of pages back and it is a great interview that I had not seen before.

It's funny how hammond12 received 3 dap picks and returned 2 of them. That's an honest person. What I dont understand is when you hear about in the news that a person receives a package from a company and inside there is a kilo of coke or pot from a misdirected drug smuggling operation and the person calls the cops. Why? Its unlikely that guido will be knocking at the door. Fahgettaboutit.

Story of my life, Deadegad.

Perhaps I should edit/delete my prior post and just reveal the upcoming box set.

Nahhh, I doubt anyone would be interested.

This actually happens? I am going to start being nicer to my mailwoman.

Imagine, getting a giant sack of good weed dropped off on your front porch by accident. If anything nearly this serendipitous ever happened to me, it would have been when I was in high school.. and surely my parents would have opened it and called the cops on me. :D That's my version of luck.

..and yes, mhammond is one of the nicest people to grace these forums. I'd like to think honesty is rewarded.

Edit: I cannot toss my parents under the bus like that. They would not have called the cops, actually they were and still are quite cool and although both are somewhat conservative (at 82) both support legal weed and other social and humane causes.

I too applaud your honesty. Well done. Had you known, you could have forwarded your extras to those who seem to have been screwed over.

I’m actually enjoying this release more than expected. Not a huge fan of the setlist, but the sound is impeccable. Contrary to some others, musical miscues never bother me. It adds to the authenticity.

Postal miscues are a different matter.

Ha!

Yep, no one would be interested in that. By the way, whatever happened to your clues? That was always fun.

#37, great release. Short show, I can't think of any other full show released that didn't make it to two full CDs.

If you listened to that Morning Dew not knowing when it happened, I think it would be hard to pick 1978. Sounds like it could have occurred in 72 or 74.

Big shoot out to Jeffrey Norman, Dave, and ABCD LLC.
The sound quality is A+.

Hopefully Glasser is putting the final touches on the 2021 Box.

37. Good news

Now #36...

Hi buddy Bolo....tell me more about this, "box set..." (eyelashes flutter)

57 years ago tonight four mop tops from Liverpool made their American TV premiere on the Ed Sullivan show (I was 13 at the time)...I wonder what ever happened to them?

In the “I know I bought one but of course I can’t find the confirmation email right now” department, I know I bought a subscription to this year’s Dave’s Picks. And yet, no Volume 37 in my mailbox and no shipping confirmation email either. So, either I subscribed and something has gone terribly awry, or I thought I had subscribed but in fact didn’t. In either case, no Volume 37 for me (and I’m now officially worried about the upcoming volumes as well). Anyone I can talk to about this?

If there is a charge on your credit card then you bought it.

You also can scroll down to the bottom of any page here on dead.net and on the menu select Order Status, fill in your email address and order number (almost all orders begin with 137400000), and your dead.net orders should come up.

Yo!! Rockers!!!

Rare mid week day off here, up too early, too much coffee (is there such a thing?), hey hey hey it's my birthday, so happy birthday to me!! The big 6-5...................

I almost always listen to LIVE/DEAD on my birthday, crankin' high volume, 50 years of Grateful Dead goodness, that was one of the first albums that blew our fifteen year old acid dropping minds................

It's a long way from Chuck Berry and The Beatles to the Avalon Ballroom and the Fillmore West...........

Back to that mind bogglin' Dark Star!

Doc
Hope you all are well, rock on!!

Not too many birthday shows to pick from this time of the year.. Live Dead sounds like an almost perfect way to get things rolling...

got my picks right now over here in Southern Germany. Some kind of glad. Hope that everybody will get his real soon.
Think it's time for some clues/news about the upcoming box.

Happy birthday Doc! You may not be able to get out to a restaurant, but a family pizza in-house works well! All the chains - Domino’s, Pizza Slut, Little Caesar’s etc - are offering all kinds of new pizzas to try, while many of us await 37, and a few poor souls are waiting for 36 (Thin, I’m thinking of you, brother!)
Come on David Lemieux - as one Canuck to another, intervene, wave your wand, and make this Missing 36 come together for the folks waiting!

I hope you have a wonderful day off!

I agree with Jim, Live/Dead sounds like a great birthday treat!

#6181 has arrived in B'More - only through disc one, but it sounds great!

Peace

Well, I was able to complete a full listen to #37 last night, and my first reaction holds up(for me at least). And that is that this show is(again, TO ME) a top '78 show. The band is full on powering forward from start to finish, mistakes be damned. The bonus material, while I don't enjoy as much, is still very good. I'm not fond of every song selection, but I always love rare songs, combos of songs, versions(Raven Space anyone??). I must admit, I literally laughed out loud at the AWFUL attempt at a chord right towards the end of Terrapin. Really doesn't bother me, It's just kind of comical. Mistakes to me, are proof that real live humans are playing real live music. I don't pay money to hear precise, exact replicas of the studio material. To each their own, and Amen to that. Stay safe and well folks, good times are coming(right?? They HAVE to be right??).

Music Is The Best!!

Have a great one Doc - Its great that you listen to Live/Dead every b'day.... back to the womb.

Bolo mentioned Old & in the Way, who formed in 1973. Their first album was 1975 and there's not enough there for a box, so my guess is he's hinting 1973 (though that seems awfully obvious). Maybe a Fall 1973 box with Madison WI 10/25/73 as a core show within it. 1973 is still a remarkably under-represented year given the high amount of high Q shows.

OK, back to being grumpy. Hopefully by DaP37 will arrive today. USPS said it should have arrived Monday... hmmm....

Doctor Eleven . I read today is your birthday. Enter Beatles song. I still juggle three spheres of years up into the ethers of best loved Grateful Dead. 1970 / 1971 / 1972.
Interesting to read the definition of the word ethers.
1-a; the rarified element formally believed to fill the upper regions of space.
2-b; the upper regions of space : heavens.
3-c; a light volatile flammable liquid C 4 H 10 O used chiefly as a solvent and especially formally as an anesthetic.

Maybe it’s the 7% solution. Or “The Seven Percent Solution” by John H. Watson M.D.

“Elementary my dear Watson.” Sherlock Holmes

Doc 11, Looking forward to your insights of 1971 Grateful Dead. What a year , eee-hol longhairs!!

You're STILL not as old as I am, but keep trying. Onward.

You’re now eligible for the Covid vaccine.
Although you probably already got it through work.

Keep on rocking Doc!

Hey there fellow rockers!!!

Yes, due to "the nature of my business", I am vaccinated already. Minimal side effects, just an occasional twitching of the ears. Well, maybe that was The Eleven from Live/Dead causing that............

No birthday pizza for this rocker, scallops in white sauce with pasta. Chocolate with raspberry cake after that. And I'm gonna spend some serious time in my local--and very large--used book store. I'm a serious book junkie......

1978 isn't exactly my era, and I don't have my copies yet, but back in the daze of taping that Morning Dew was considered epic, so I'm actually looking forward to revisting that. During my touring days, I seemed to catch a lot of Dews...............

Roll on rockers!

Doc
Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter......

Your Jerry interview post is welcome to stay, but, a clue, or, an actual reveal of the next box set would be welcomed news in these dark times.

Hope it's a great day Doc - i still enjoy all the great shows from 1971 that you've sent my way over the years. I'll dive into one of my favorites (4/8/71) in your honor.

Firstshow, funny you should mention those three FMac albums, Kiln House, Bare Trees and Future Games, because I have been doing a deep dive into the early Mac listening to those very albums. I''m up to Mystery to Me, which is after Danny Kirwin left/was fired by the band. I agree these are my favorite FM albums, mainly because Danny really rose to the challenge and wrote some great, beautiful songs. I can take or leave Spencer's Holly send-ups, but he certainly collaborated well with Danny, making the Mac a great two guitar band featuring Danny's songs. Christeen Mcvie also stepped up, as her song writing chops improved in these three albums and then exploded with songs on Mystery to me, once Danny was gone. I long for an album on all of Danny's songs with the Mac, collected on one CD.

that Dave's merch is a load of psychedelic bollocks.

I feel like Sam Hughes (the a-hole from the GD Movie)

30$ for a freakin' trucker's hat.

just focus on the music, GDM.

oh, and getting it delivered without anyone having to sing the Shipping Blues

Is spot on. Silly me ordered a $30 Daves drinking glass which supposedly shipped but since last Thursday all it shows is that a label was created. Who knows if I’ll ever see this glass. This WEA company is unbelievable............

Edit: my woes with the glass is nothing compared to those that still haven’t gotten their Daves 36. I just can’t imagine how infuriating that must be. It’s a crime that this GDM or WEA or Rhino or whoever the hell it is, is allowed to do business......and then there I go ordering a glass and expecting my experience to be a pleasant one.....HA

Mhammond12: kudos to you sir, it’s reassuring to know that not everyone has turned into a selfish pos!
Jim: glad you received your 37, now if only...
BOLO: better late then never!

Fine dinners and a Dark Star...”too many more”! (Virtual toast to you!)

Look forward to your 71 insights. I probably won’t get to listen to many, but I’ll really enjoy the notes, which I use to mark shows to check out, that I might enjoy. Specifically, the weird space ones...
One of the reasons I’ve not spent much time in 71 is the lack of big psychedelic Dark Stars, jams etc. Though I do dig the simple shoot em up bar band vibe, it can get a bit repetitive (to me, I would not speak for others).
But thanks to other posts you’ve given us, I’ve learned that there are some nice weird nuggets to be had this year. Just gotta poke around...
Also have a hard time listening to something that sounds not so good when there are so many things that sound amazing just a click away. So recordings from these years can be all over the place.
Long ramble short, thanks for sharing your work and insight. It saves so much time and frustration being led to shows that i might never have known about, but after being turned on, are now part of the fold.
Your like a personal concierge for all things 71!
THANKS!, and have a great day eh!

Clearly it is going to be a 67 box set. The interview hint is tricky because one might be inclined to think 76 but of course we got a 76 box recently. The odd postings from Olob that I think I remember seeing here and there suggest that our insider friend may be dyslexic which points to 67 not 76. Or maybe it is me that is dyslexic and Olob is a figment of my own imagination??

I took your advice and that WAS fun! I checked out 5/31/80 being careful not to look at the setlist. It is astounding that after 35 years of studious (one may even say obsessive) listening, this band still has pleasant surprises to offer. This is one I have overlooked listening to or even taking note of the interesting set structure.

SPOILER ALERT: If you want to play along at home like I did (you should, it was fun) read no further and get down to the real business at hand!

The first surprise was the second song because I didn't realize that the Miller recording was not complete. After the next pairing, I knew what was going on there. Then the most delightful tidbit came next. Seems like a real improvisational moment. Then the next two were real surprises in both order of appearance and the delightful execution. Coming out of space I found myself wondering what Jerry would do - something sweet like UJB or Comes A Time or even Black Peter, but no. Bobby why must you always F with my mood and expectations! It still bugs me that you picked BIODTL after the all-timer Dark Star>Dew on 9/21/72 and I wasn't even born yet when you made that call! Anyway back to 1980, after the number out of space I thought I knew what the next two would be as that had become a bit too predictable in that era, but Bobby does pull a nice audible there at the end. Then the encore seemed a little pedestrian but even it has a bit of gusto to go along with it notwithstanding Bobby puking all over it with his slide guitarist impersonation again. The second turn up to bat after that was yet another pleasant surprise. Apparently even Healey was caught off guard given that we only have the AUD for that portion.

Anyhow, thanks for the recommendation Stoltzie; I loved it! You have exquisite taste and I heed your advice on these matters when they come up. I am reminded of some of the discussions about Dick's Picks on The Well in the later 90s. It was said from time to time that "Dick can't pick a pumpkin"! Well sir, you know how to pick a fine pumpkin indeed - thank you for that!

proud foot and wadeocu - 5/31 was my 3rd show - didn't realize at time how crazy it was to have (!!!!!!!) > (!!!!!!!) predrumz (oops already said too much). Pretty enthusiastic crowd that night leading to a somewhat unusual double encore. After US Blues, house lights went up and all signs pointed to that being all she wrote. But a whole bunch of people still didn't leave, just yelling and cheering. A buddy and I decided to see if we could sneak backstage. Roadies were breaking things down. We had made our way above the tunnel that led to the stage wondering if there was a way to get down into it. Suddenly here comes the band walking out of the tunnel again (maybe someone out in front of them to clue in the crew.) My buddy and I are like holy crap they're coming back out! And they played Brokedown. I think they remembered that MN enthusiasm the next year because if you want some more interesting song sequence go no further then Minneapolis the next summer. check out the s**dw**h coming out of Space (no fair peeking!)

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1981/07/10 (Miller audience, no SBD seems to circulate.)

BTW - Dave L. likes 5/31- its shown up in both Tapers Section and Jam of the Week I think.

And Happy Birthday Doc!! Think I'll go Yale Bowl later today.

They seemed to get more into jamming again when Keith joined from October onwards. In fact, from October onwards, I tend to think of shows as being closer to 1972 in terms of sound and approach than they are to ones from earlier in 1971. Certainly October-December 1971 shows sound more like Europe 72 than they do to February or April 1971. To my ears, anyway.

My friends, my colleagues, my fellow Dead travellors.................

Back when I started with the crazy collecting of the Dead music, circa 1979-1980, my appetite for said crazy music was insatiable. First bootleg LPs (still have a few, but no turntable LOL), then tapes. Now, there were less "eras" back then, but for me it was any and all years, audience, sound board, FM, didn't matter...........

When I started with tapes, I was fortunate to have two mentors (Gil Matthews, John Farrar) who steered me into high quality early Dead, always the emphasis on the highest quality available, but not necessarily an exclusive focus on 1971. MAYBE 25% of 1971 shows circulated then, most of the April and Fall tour shows didn't commonly circulate yet.

My busiest trading years were 1982-spring of 86. Was doing tons of my trades and huge numbers of B& Ps, as well as mentoring a very active taping cooperative centered out of Hartford. Jeffrey Greenberg, Rich Petlock (RIP), Bob Messina, and John Starks. Weather permitting, on Friday nights I'd go down there on the motorcycle, saddlebags filled with primo SBDs and FMs. At that time, floods of new things were were leaking out. And, my friends went to every East coast show and recorded everything. Those were heady days.......

And then there were the Bettys, which opened our eyes (and ears!) a lot, especially about Port Chester.....

Of course, life intervenes, and listening time decreases due to "real life issues", so for me the focus gradually grew narrower and narrower. With greater exposure, I found something very appealing about 1971. I think it was the Bakersfield, rock and roll aspect. As many have pointed out, the big drawback for many is the lack of "big jams". This is a very legitimate criticism. Clearly, it wasn't the raucous, spacy jams of 1969-1970, and it wasn't the creamy smoothness of 1972-1974. Like being caught between a rock and a hard place. There are some good and even great jams in 1971, but you have to dig around for them.............

For those who posted such things, it's been very interesting to hear what people would listen to "in my honor". "In my honor", omg that sounds so weird, does that make me an elder statesman, or just elder? Ah......ummm.......what was I talking about????

I'll probably continue in a similar vein at some point in the future. Maybe restarting on February 18?????

Rock on!

Doc
The past is never where you think you left it.........