Grateful Dead

I don't own this one.
At first I thought Bolo was talking about Steppin Out by Joe Jackson.

I am with you GOGD, I am also interested in hearing about the different mix from the box set.

Almost finished with 2/9/73. What a show. Always love to hear first versions of songs, Eyes of the World, fantastic. Love the HCS, Truckin.
Would be a fantastic show to release.

Well I'm on Hurts Me Too on Disc 1 and this is def a fine sounding CD!

I haven't gone back and forth and compared the two mixes in real time.
But since I was curious I poked around.. cause, you just gotta poke around.

And here's some info from Deadessays.blogspot.com -
Let’s not forget that big chunks of this tour previously appeared on the archival releases Hundred Year Hall (released in 1995), Steppin’ Out (a compilation of songs recorded on this tour in England, released in 2002), and Rockin’ the Rhein (released in 2004). Also, the box set The Golden Road (released in 2001) and the later individual re-issue of Europe ’72 contained bonus tracks from the tour. Astute listeners will notice that the mixes on these earlier releases is much more refined in terms of dynamics, equalization, reverb, and other sonic niceties than it is on the 2011 box. Keith Godchaux in particular receives more attention to detail on the older mixes. On the 2011 mixes, there is even a distortion issue with the vocals on every show up to the first Paris show (5/3/72) that then pretty much clears up for the rest of the box. Obviously the mixing budget for Europe ’72: The Complete Recordings did not allow for the “extravagance” of the earlier, higher-fidelity mixes.

So we've got some Astute Listeners here!

Any other details folks got about the mixes and the difference in the source material used I'd love to hear about.

But based on what I'm reading the mixes for the previous releases were more enhanced and higher-fidelity due to the production time and budget that the Dead had to work with, or probably should say Jeffrey had to work with.

While I'd heard this mentioned, I've never fully explored it. So therefore.. I did not know that.

Won't have my copy at hand for a couple days. Thinking back a bit earlier even and just how fantastic Hundred Year Hall was. Its been a long long while since I've listened to that, but if memory serves one of the gifts was how inspired Keith's playing was as part of the whole. While the Steamer Trunk was a holy grail release, I remember thinking what the heck where is Keith a lot of the time, and it turned out that Norman had intentionally mixed him down, at times he seemed barely audible. Not that I don't love listening to shows from the trunk but there is a bit of a sigh as to certain mix choices.
That 17000 y/o conch shell is an amazing story. To be able to hear that sound!! The NPR story from yesterday also had a brief sequence from a repro of bird bone flute that was even older - so pretty.
DeadVikes - grew up in the Chicago area. College in MN. The upper midwest is near and dear in my heart. though I'm way out west now.
Tall pines, tall pines, reaching up for the clouds.

Half-assing it on the E72 sound quality.
But look at who manages the Vault.....
No surprise that they wouldn’t give due respect to an epic tour, but still had no qualms about charging people like they had given due respect.

Of course, don’t forget that the band did a little overdubbing.

http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-europe-72-overdubs-guest-pos…

Hey, at least they didn't record over the tapes after they released E72 like they did with the Warfield/Radio City run.

The box was mixed by Norman from the original multi tracks, they used Plagent Processes and Glasser mastered it
I always thought the sound quality was unbelievably good and can't believe how lucky we are that they released it.

Anyway, I have heard the complaints about Keith in the mix before and I think there is actually some text from Norman on this, explaining it.

Anyway, you should check out Norman's explanation of mastering and mixing in the bonus footage from the The Grateful Dead Movie, interesting stuff.

I hope the next box, whatever it is, comes out soon .

Bluecrow, lucky bastard!

The overwhelming majority of concert attendees for the E72 tour had never seen the Dead in person before.

Can you imagine the looks on their faces after that insane "Caution?"

Minds blown, faces melted.

Not to change the subject, but thanks to everyone here for reminding us about the fantastic anniversaries we have this month.

Too much working and lurking, not enough time to chip in. Did Maples Pavilion the other day without prompting, and appreciate the reminder about today.

Forensic Doc, I trust that you are going on sabbatical from your job for the month of April? You will be one even busier man then.

And kudos to LedDed for the post of the year on the other thread. I received #24584/25000, sound quality is brutal.

PigPen bought The Brooklyn Bridge at Princeton back on 4/17/71!!!! Love that Good Lovin!! Bob t

Was at the Henry J. Kaiser Auditorium in Oakland for the amazing five night run in February 1986 that included the two nights with the Neville Brothers. The jam session on the night of the 11th with the Nevilles was the most exciting guest jam from the Brent era I had the pleasure to see, and hear and feel. I sing the body electric. Apologies to Walt Whitman.
I’m gonna have to listen to 2/12/86 tonight.
Will have to visit 4/24/72 over the weekend.
Weather forecast for the Southwest, Cold Rain and Snow.

Gotta drive 300 some miles today through it, but boy do we need it. pretty much never say no to moisture out here.

A favorite version is 7/7/78 - my first tape way back when was "by chance" one of the greatest audience recordings I've ever heard. You are THERE(!!) for that first show at Red Rocks - lightning in a bottle. 1st set is my favorite post-hiatus - absolutely smoking. As most here know, Cold Rain starts Set II - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1978/07/07/cold-rain-snow?source=914…

Have a great day everybody. Onward.

https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1986/02/12
....I've never heard it. Post drumz looks fun. Giving it a shot.

Got some.

VGuy: You might want to start with 2/11/89, not knocking 2/12 (there's a Willie & The Hand Jive after all) but 2/11 is smoking!! (or maybe that was me.. na, na.. it's smoking too.)

BlueCrow: 7/7/78 huh? Might have to dust that off after I visit this Janis Joplin set from 2/12/69.
What a night at the Fillmore East 52 years ago.
The 2nd night of the GOGD opening up for Janis and her new band and their NY debut.
Some cool video snippets float around out there from 2/11/69 when 60 minutes came to interview her, wonder if CBS has all the source footage that was shot that night?
Highly unlikely, but I can't help to think about it..

And, wow Steppin' Out sounds dope!
A great compilation and I'm glad I finally gave that a spin.
Melted Brits must've been everywhere.
Nice pick BOLO, did you get to rock the big speakers?

Good times and great oldies.
Happy Friday.

Like Ostrich racing on landfills. I'm going with April 71 box.... Not the whole month... but Manhattan Center shows... Princeton... etc... Have a good weekend everyone... Don't forget tomorrow has a nice anniversary show with nice "pop" during Dark Star.... Bob t

Yes, indeed. Cranked up the big system yesterday, garnering a few puzzled looks from folks walking around the hood. They don't know what they're missing!

Downside? I have to replace a couple cracked windows. And the dog has given me the 24 hour stink-eye.

Still worth it.

Daves 40 will be Gainesfreakinville

no wait...Daves 39 will be Gainesville, and Daves 40 will be something gargantuan from 1968.

2-11-69 anniversary

....I hear it's got a raging Doin' That Rag.
Edit to GOGD. I was present at the 2.11.89 Forum show. I said before and I'll say again, that show was the most lit show I attended. I was a psychedelic mess. Cheers. Thank God we booked a room right across the parking lot.
People lit fireworks down the hallways. At least I think they did. Who knows. Our room door was open all morning lol.

VGuy - Oops I got my wires crossed, I had been talking about 2/11/86 with Strider, so when I saw your post, I was thinking / referring to '86 and typed '89. That all being said, now you make me want to check out Feb '89 shows.
Def check out 2/11/86 when you get some free time. Trippy!

Bolo - Nice! And what's a little stink eye from a dog and the neighbors compared to hours of audio bliss?!?!
Dig that compilation and glad you mentioned it, def worth having in the ol collection.

BobT - Where's the clue?

Alright, snowy day in Oregon. Starting off with some Don't Hang Off the Balcony and My Dog Has No Nose, Crazy Fingers > Supplication > High Time, boy oh boy.
I bet you all can guess the show?

And happy Anniversary 2/13/70, 51 years ago the Dead played one of their greatest shows ever!!
I think I'll have to fire up that Dark Star > TIFTOO at the very least.

What else we listening to?

Why are you up so early on a Saturday?
I’m 3 hours ahead of you and you still got up before me.
Well, technically I got up before you, let my dog out to pee, then went back to bed.

I guess you are like a kid on Christmas morning, so excited you can’t sleep, got to get started on a Saturday full of GOGD.

Think I’ll start with your recommendation of 2-13-70.

It insists that a mailbox is a parking meter.
Wouldn’t let me pass the test until I selected the mailbox.

ABB 2-11,13,14-70%
Bears Sonic Journals.

https://allmanbrothersband.com/the-allman-brothers-band-to-release-live…

Proceeds to benefit the ABB Museum in Macon.

Bolo's/Schroedinger's Clue.

starting the morning with Steppin Out.

Those Feb '89 Forum shows look awfully interesting. All sorts of goodness those nights but I mean a Set II Monkey and the Engineer??!! along with Dire Wolf?!!

Of course 2/13 needs a spin.

Still need to get the ABB Bears Sonic Journals.

A whole lot more cold rain and snow forecast.

Haha...
I'm a morning person in my older age for sure.

It's like Christmas every morning when you're a GD Freak!

Did the Dark Star > TIFTOO > TOYLL out of respect.

It's a trip, made me think of something.

My first GD mentor, who I barely knew, sure did know what he was doing.

I mighta told this story before, but.. fuck it.
My friend Kevin's older brother flipped me my first 3 bootlegs.
We were in high school & he was home from college and having a rager Keg party.
So we were so stoked to be hanging and partying with all these college age guys and gals.
I remember they seemed so grown up.. and Joe (I think that was his name) had racks of tapes.
They were blasting GOGD, it was awesome.

I got to talking to Joe, and told him I'd just started getting into the Dead and was curious about all the tapes.
He asked "What are you into?"
At the time I was super interested in Psychedelics and finding the best music to trip to.
I'd heard about "Space" so I said, you got anything with a lot of Space?
He looked at me curiously...
You want a lot of "Space", huh?

Anyhow, he flipped me the tapes with the caveat "Never sell them, only share".

2/13/70 = Dark Star one side TIFTOO other side 60 minute tape?
4/29/71
2/09/73

Nice picks Joe!
Still 3 of my favorite shows.

5/31/80: well I didn’t peak, so I didn’t realize that the Miller SB version I picked was only second set. So as I was doing some PW etc I started to think “WTF?, did they play the second set first lol, no wonder Proudfoot said not to peak”
So I didn’t hear the first set but did really enjoy that second set. This is the kinda thing I’m looking for here, these off the path chestnuts that might never listen to unless someone you hang with turns you on.
Like those 86 shows too. Though I think I might of had the 11th? If it wasn’t such a hassle I’d drag the tapes out.
Didn’t get to those, but I should. I’ve had this thing with 86? Can’t really describe it but don’t feel drawn? I guess if I could remember the Hampton/Philly run I’d have a better feeling, but unfortunately I don’t remember much. Like of all the blurred and forgotten memories, that spring run is like a black hole...probably too many veggies, but I can’t even remember what it was I dropped? Can’t remember much about tapes from 86 either, which probably means I wasn’t that into them? Probably binged out all that year on 85 tapes, like TOGA! (I hear ya GOGD!)
Remember a little more about the 5 summer 86 shows I saw which were mostly good with Riverbend leaving a smoking crater, but Akron I don’t recall much, except meh, and just sorta getting Altamonte fear vibe from like smoking tires etc on the way in...I think? LOL (actually have listened to all those and non are as bad as I thought)

FED 89: now these I’ve always been meaning to check out as I recall my cousin (might of been at?) said they were good? I’d love to hear more about this run from anyone who was there...though sounds like VGUY was in similar condition as me at those spring 86 shows ; )

2/9/73: ok, did this one yesterday. Never been that blown away by this one, I mean it’s basically a sound test.
I’m sure part of my lack of sparkle is because of the shitty tape I had and the fact that I wasn’t ready for the more jazzy 72-74 stuff. I know what tapes I had from that era back then were never very good so I think that had something to do with a lot of BS first impression/pre-conceived notions I acquired, idiot!
Yeah I lived for like raging late seventies/early eighties then, but I digress.
So as I’d not heard it in a long time figured it was time. Now, it’s a good 73 show, and I can understand how some folks are really into “first version shows” etc, so there’s the historical element,....I guess I’m trying to say that it’s a good show, but I’d wish there was more big 73 type jams, and I can think of a half dozen other 73s just off the top of my pointy little head that I’d rather see get them”treatment”.
But hey, that’s just me...glad I heard though, Eyes definitely interesting!

2/10 at 12:27....Bolo says I got a dollar and a quarter to kick things off..... Pigpen rap during Princeton Good Lovin from April 71..... I'm reaching but at that time he posted it I thought i solved the mystery of the sphinx...... ha ha Bob t

perhaps it was the powder in the bottom of that bag'o shrooms you ingested..

....criminally underrated.

Ok, folks, your in for a treat now as Boo is one of my oldest show buddies. We were pretty inseparable for years back in the bad ole daze; band mates, house mates, roadie/tech work together, and all around looking for trouble aka Neil and Jack, or more like the 2 lead characters in the movie the Stoned Age, a must see for anyone growing up in the late seventies/early eighties. Like Dazed and Confused only better!
Yeah, the two of us on here, hee-hee, “look out Cleveland” part of our “act” was me being a dumb ass, and ole Boo letting me know it! LOL Miss ya Buddy! So glad ya made it!
EDIT: oh yeah, and the shroom powder, that was Hershey, remember, I lost my shit in Hershey! Lol.
We’re we together on spring 86? One tour I remember nothing, cept a couple of the breakouts...

What a gem

Now you’re talkin!
Happy Valentines Day. I almost wrote Ballantine. Anyone remember olde Ballantine XXX Ale.
2/14/86 GD concert was fun, not near as exciting as 2/11,12/86 nights with the Neville Brothers. But I still had an awesome time. I’d say check it if it moves you.
Four days until the 50th anniversary of 2/18/71. I’m searching those those foggy ruins of time with a searchlight casting for faults in the clouds of delusion.
Read the final writing of Kerouac, “After me the deluge”.

You can't take my mind and leave...

I think it's a good day to listen to the Valentines -
https://archive.org/details/valentines1995-02-14.mtx.miller.117207.flac…

Cream Puff War 1995 smokes

Happy Valentine's Day

BobT - I never would've noticed that as a clue! Was it Bolo?!?!
'71 would make sense as a release after all that was 50 years ago.

OB - Check out 7/6/86 Beginning of Set 2 for some under the radar '86. It smokes!
SBD doesn't circulate, but DL put that portion on Taper's Section and brought it to my attention.
(SBD portion had a lot of drop outs that I messed around with and patched)
It doesn't look like much on paper, but its' real good.

The Viola filler on the RT release is the same Viola that is included in the Origins free download.

We do not know where the rose comes from.
Rose fossils 32,000,000 years old have been found in Colorado and Oregon.
- Annotated Lyrics by David Dodd

And when the day had ended, with rainbow colors blended, their minds remained unbended.
- Jerry Garcia

Jerry's second stab at song writing is pretty damn good if you ask me. But, I liked his first stab too.

1968 at the Carousel must've been a hoot.
Burn down the Fillmore, gas the Avalon.
We respectfully dedicate this set to the memory of Neal Cassady

BTW the Annotated Lyrics by David Dodd is next level GD scholar stuff.
I'm impressed with all these smart Dead Heads < One word or Two?

Good Times.

.....Mrs. Vguy gifted it to me one Christmas past. Read it to her in bed a few times. Gave her AND I a new appreciation of the words.
Grate stuff.
Now. Onto my annual listening of 2.14.68. Cuddling up in a comfortable blanket of some Primal Dead.

thank you for the r3ference to 7 6 86

Very nice. I listened today via archive on phone while refiling and selecting shows.
StoC thru Stella

86 is an oddball year. There are plenty of gems. Since it was only a partial year due to Garcia illness, maybe it gets unfairly shunned.

2 14 86
3 21 86
3 27 86
3 28 86
4 3 86
4 19 86
4 21 86 "stehwehstehwehstehwehstehweh..."
5 3 86
7 7 86 Satisfaction

Proudfoot - Oh Yeah, You Betcha! (Think Fargo accent)
Glad you checked that out and dug it.
That 7/6 really surprised me, DL put it on the Taper's Section and I was way stoked on it.
There's some stuff in them thar hills, a fun year to mine. There's some fools gold too!!

VGuy - Ahhh, that's awesome.
I really enjoy pulling that book out and exploring it when the thought strikes me.
It's not my type of read it cover to cover style book, but when I do pick it up and go there, I'm always glad I did.
And it's so well done.
Way to go David Dodd, impressive work!

This '68 Carousel is too much!
That Alligator > Caution...
I grew up wondering what show that was from, it sounds like an epic good time.
Nice send off for Cowboy Neal.

....2.14.68 gives so much, but asks for nothing in return.

GOGD; thanks fir the 7/6/86 reference. I’m not doing Dead today but it’s on my list!
86 needs some intrepid traveling for sure...I know I liked 86 in 86 lol, but through the years it’s fallen through the cracks. Not remembering spring tour doesn’t help. I know I finally gave those shows a superficial listen on a job sight a couple years ago, but I really need to give them a better look. Still haven’t gotten to the Boxilla show either.

2/14/68: RT 2.2, one of my most sought shows I don’t have yet. Waiting for Real Gone to hurry up and redo it. They were moving along pretty well at first, probably 4 a year like Dave’s. Then, a couple years ago, they slowed way down...maybe they had to slow down because rhino thought they were competing with DaPs?
Anyway, been digging the RT 2.4 show from 93 much more then I would have thought. Hopefully sooner than later 2.3, from 74 will be out, since this is another highly anticipated one, hell all of volume 2 is!
So I’ve purposely not listened to 2/14/68 YET, so I’m hopeful they’ll put that out ASAP this year...until then think that ketchup song...”antici-pa-a-tion, is making me wait”

BALLANTINE ALE: ah that brings back some memories...don’t recall my impressions about drinking it, probably cause back then it was most once’s for the dollar..but since my initial reaction is not recoil, perhaps it wasn’t too bad?
But I do fondly recall my pops often giving me 2 dollars to ride my bike down the street to the convenience store so I could get him a sixer of either Gobel or Ballentine, often on sale for 99c a sixer, in the back of the store in a giant pyramid with big sorta starburst price sign, and a pack of smokes (25 or 30c?) which left me a nice little bounty to buy baseball cards etc for the trouble. I’d toss the beer and smokes in my basket and rush home so I could find out if I got anything good! Must of been quite the sight!
Hey it was a much different time and the manager/staff knew me and my pops and stuff like that happened back then.

....Spectrum. 3.23.86.
Gimme Some Loving->
Deal
Hand Jive
Candyman
Cassidy
West L.A. Fadeaway
Mama Tried ->
Big River ->
Might As Well
.
Sounds danceable on screen. 🙃

Killer show.. Garcia's first show back.

....Irvine.
The girls were pretty. That was my first takeaway. I was 16. Sue me.
Didn't revisit the Dead until July '87. Was still in heavy metal mode then. Not an excuse. Just facts.

2/14/68, truly a relic of the psychedelic. Have not listened in three years as I did for its 50th anniversary .
But right now I’m traveling back 35 years ago to 2/14/86. Earlier today I glanced at my bulletin board and there was my ticket from that night! Took that as a sign I better relisten and report back.
As I had been given a backstage pass from Brian Williams who was an assistant to John Cutler I brought an old Japanese poet friend Nanao Sakaki (January 1, 1923 - December 22, 2008) who had been visiting up at Kiskadee outside of Nevada City. I got in early and got a couple seats on the left side close to the stage , of course being the Kaiser, just off the main floor. Right now I’m finishing out the first set. As it had been raining cats and dogs and mountain lions and coyotes the Dead played several songs referencing those elements . What strikes me about this run of Dead shows is how tight they were. Let it Grow was so tight, or like the Sun Ra album title it was “bad and beautiful “. I did go back stage at the end of the first set to grab Bobby Petersen to step out front so he could meet Nanao . I believe I had a signed copy of Nanao’s book Real Play that we gave to Bobby. That was the last time I saw Bobby Petersen who died the following January 1987.
So second set they opened with Keep on Growin the Derek and the Dominos song. Last time played. Listening to it now it sounds alright and better. I remember Nanao commenting on the Kaiser Auditorium being like a giant space ship. Boy howdy. Nanao was a true free spirit who loved spirits and smoking ganga. Now listening to Lost Sailor. I don’t believe I’ve listened to this concert in over 30 years. Oh yeah I recorded every night of this run with my Sony D-5 by patching in with other tapers. I’ve got those tapes still. Some on metal tape and others Maxell 2S. I have no idea how they may sound now. Decomposing further I reckon . Was going to pass on listening to this show but then finding the old ticket changed my mind. Sure don’t know what I’m going for but I’m gonna go for it for sure. Drums and space really impressed Nanao who many times was the life of the party at drum jams in Taos County in the 80s. Of course Bobby Petersen and Laird Grant lived in the Taos area off and on in the 60s and 70s. Laird at New Buffalo and Morning Star and Bobby up on Lama Mountain. I didn’t move to New Mexico until 1982 so was a late comer. You could say early 80s was the tail end of the old hippie days. Depends on who you talk to I suppose. I met Nanao in Zuni December 7th 1980. I had traveled there with a WW2 Navajo veteran (communications Sargent) but I digress.
Terrapin sounds awesome at this time. Calling on the elements. Keeping it real. I get goosebumps hearing this show. My God time flies. Anyone who had the opportunity to see the Grateful Dead live even once (and got it) was quite fortunate. I think about the youngest Deadheads (10-11-12?) at some Dead shows in 95 who really became intrigued who may live to 95-101? What 2080? 2085? Who will be the last living Deadhead who actually saw the real Grateful Dead (1995 cutoff thank you) It will perhaps be something like the last Civil War veteran alive or the last WW 1 veteran alive.
Back to 2/14/86, space sounding expansive. Echos from the stars. ( today from Mars?) Left a smoking crater like my mind was blown away. So here it is Valentines Day 2021. My mind is blown. But I will reiterate from another time, to keep your memory sharp, try not to smoke too much herb and drink too much. Exercise, clean diet ( freedom of choice ) good water. Good friends, love of family, lust for life , rise before dawn, greet the sun, give thanks for another day.
Ah yes , Wharf Rat, old man down by the docks of the city. I got no dime but I got some time to hear his story.
So go out and do some good dear readers. Glad I could share this story.
“I’ll get up and fly away, fly away!”
“The compass always points to Terrapin”

Yuck, yuck, get it...? ; )
Strider, sweet post, nice vibe, nice memories, I’m going to have to look at that run. I feel like a had a couple sets from that run, but who knows...tight ya say? That’s interesting cause though I recall liking most/all the shows from that year my recollection is they could be intense, fiery, weird, but occasionally sloppy. But I’m learning that many of my memories are no longer relative lol.
So I think I need to go there...buy the ticket...

VGUY: girls, girls, girls!
Wow interesting set...I was @ those Spectrum shows, and I remember Hand jive sorta but that’s about it for that one....dooooaaahhh, stupid memory! Kinda bums me out I don’t recall such a fun set, or maybe I’m just fortunate I’ve seen so much over the years that it all rolls into one....am I the Victim or the crime?

EDIT: trying to remember now what year/show (86/87?) we saw at the Rectum where they had double booked the venue; WW wrestling followed by the GD....surreal as the meat heads, actually, I remember lots of children with nervous looking Dads LOL, but they had to make their way out through a large, anxious , aaa, “primed” crowd of Dead Heads! Actually very smooth but definitely interesting! Can’t remember what time the band started, but I know we were there well after midnight...Road crew must of loved that shit!

First of 2 shows played in Madison that year. 2 Dark Stars for Madison in 73..... Lots of fun....

“The Jackie Gleason Show”

Yes, I am going to put this one on today, thanks for the pick Bob t.

We need a box announcement soon. It has been 12 months since the last one and I am freezing my ass off up here.

Double

Strider - thanks for sharing that story. Just pulled some of Nanao's poetry off the shelf. Traveling with me this week.

2-15-73 this evening hopefully. A fairly early and much loved tape.

Memories of my parents watching Jackie Gleason on a little black and white TV.

And still more Cold Rain and Snow - long day ahead. Be safe everybody.

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