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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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    2/24/74: yep, one of my top Dave’s favs, Skeletor Skater, right up there with the Scooby Doo house!
    I didn’t partake though as I’m going to wait and follow 42 with it when it comes. “Anticipa-a-a-tion, it’s making me wait”.
    8/24/72: as much as I bitched about why did he not pick this one etc when DaP 24 came out, I can now maybe see why. This one starts out, good, but perhaps not necessarily the finely balanced starship of early 72? Is it me, or is summer 72 kinda a no man’s land of 72? Good, but not great comparatively (to the rest of 72? ) Perhaps just a tad mellower?

    But as is often the case, they eventually start shifting gears and into the second set really get hold of the old Spockein mind meld. Even DG gets better after a shaky start. Suppose it’ll get released someday, just wonder how?
    I mean we’re getting to the point where at the current lumbering pace, there’s only going to be so many more shows released. Say double what we’ve already received? Now that’s a decent output, but when/if you start to really look at things, you can start to wonder how many of these good, but perhaps not great shows, will get chosen instead of some great ones?
    Now before y’all gather a lynch mob, look at it this way. Think about how many 72 shows will actually see the light of day, a relatively small number?, Then think about how many great or good ones there are left, and you can see they probably won’t all be resealed. So that means the coach has to make cuts cause there’s only so many uniforms.
    So that becomes the uncomfortable part, who’ll make the team and who won’t, at least based on past choices etc?
    Now multiply the same scenario of X shows over other Prime years, and perhaps you can understand the logistics, and why I wonder if some of these shows will get out or not?
    So with that logic, I wouldn’t necessarily pick this as a single release compared to X number of other 72s, but I could see it included in some kind of box package? That HAS been an MO, package some B, B+ shows in with some A+ etc.
    I guess the point I’m trying to get at is, if ya crunch the numbers, this dribbling out single shows with one smallish box a year means questionable choices/cuts are going to get made, and a lot of good stuff will not get out, based on taper bias.
    Yes, Fortunately we have streaming options, but why not get a little more aggressive: why not drop what’s left of certain years with perhaps limited worthy/available shows in one fell swoop i.e., say he saves/pulls one or 2 p, or 3 single release worthy shows from 74 and then releases what’s left in a 74 box. Boom, one big year complete. Rinse and repeat with say 68, 69, 76, 77, Save a few big appropriate choices from those choice years to save/have for DaP etc, to doll out, but drop the rest of the best from each year, that doesn’t have a ton of unreleased available shows?
    You could probably also do the same with the later years eventually? But The rest of the years/stuff, who knows what or if anything will happen?
    Sure some of these might get big and pricey, but not everyone will want say a big 77 box. But the freaks who really dig 77 would love it. Some might grumble about the cost, but most of the truly 77 faithful would do it.
    That way the rest of folks, some who might feel they have enough 77, could still get a cherry picked couple of 77s Ala DaP, but could skip the mass release. This would free up more single and other pics and boxes for more variety AND to help ensure that some of these good/great “borderline” picks don’t get skipped over for more headscatchers.

    Like 8/30/83, is a GOOD show, (you should check it out DV), but is it a top pick for 83, and thus release worthy? I think this is the taper bias problem again. Many shows are picked because at one time, that was one of the few from that time that had a good tape! So we’re picking today, because of limited choices/tapes from the past, instead of which shows are best, if that makes sense? How could a truly fantabulas show be great, if no one’s heard it?
    How many times have we checked out an unknown show here on POT Day, that blew us away, but that relatively no one’s ever heard of?
    With the archive and the huge amount of shows that ARE now available, why are we still picking shows based on the limited knowledge/tapes available forty years ago?
    Best illustration of this: 5/8/77. Great show to be sure, but best ever? I think if folks had the internet and access to better quality tapes BITD, maybe Cornell would be considered differently? But since there was no net, and it was one of the few great tapes of a great show, the legend/myth grew?
    Just a theory, sorry to ramble, but it’s the one thing about this culture I don’t like, taper bias!
    Hey HF ain’t the only one with theories! ; )

    Ok, going 6/25/92 just cause…

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    Another one of my personal Summer/Fall '72 favorites.

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    I was totally out of pocket yesterday. Wasn't able to get any music in at all. Definitely want to check out 8/24/72 OB. I mean, come on it is 72 BCT. I will also need to go back to the 83 OR show, but it doesn't should like it is getting rave reviews.

    My first ever bootleg in 1985 was 12/30/83 and that Shakedown Street changed my life. Still have it.

    Jim, yes Dave's #13 is a great release. What a show. Definitely in my top 5 of Dave's Picks. Can't wait for #42.

    Enjoy it out there.

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    How many 'No Nukes' benefits did the Dead do? I can only think of 1-13-78, but that's a 'Stop Nuclear Power' benefit. Any dedicated 'No Nukes' shows? Something like that might be appropriate for today, or even for the next several days at least come to think of it...

    Stay and be well all and please Have a Grateful Day.

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    Funny you should mention Wolf Bros Hard Rain.. I am listening to it as I write this. It just sort of fell into my lap. Love Greg Leisz's Pedal Steel on this one. Exactly perfect.

    Fitting.

    Heard ten thousand whisperin’ and nobody listenin’
    It’s a hard rain’s a-gonna fall

    Really well done.

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    The one that just came out on the Weir Live in Colorado album is very fine.

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    I dipped my big toe into 2/24/74 today and made it most of the way and the day is still young. My workday is manageable and with an ice storm moving in decided to get some exercise and brought tunes. Man, what a sweetie.

    I have this a hard rain's gonna fall feeling. Oh where have you been my blue eyed son?

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    8/24/72 today?

    Another off of “the list”. I’ve heard the 21 and 25, but not the middle two.

    8/30/83: not sure about this one? Was doing things so not fully engaged throughout, but recall some slop i.e., Lightning/Supplication. But there were many great moments too: Great jam outta Terrapin and an unusual Stones. The recording was all over the place too, including almost no drums/space. I’m guessing he has something better in the vault, but to me, releasing this one would be another head scratcher? Another case of good city and neighborhood but going to the wrong house? I think 8/27 and the Santa Fe shows vguy turned us onto are all better.
    Interested in the Red Rocks shows, but I’ll probably save those for next year?
    I’m also curious about Portland and the other Hults? But to keep things somewhat manageable, I’m putting extra emphasis on 82 and 92 this year, followed by occasional 67, 72, 87 and 77.
    Next year it’ll be 83, 93, and 68, with 73, 78, 88…

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    Interesting list. I will have to track it down out there.

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    Looks like we're going to need another check mark to reflect Dave's 41... :-)

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 02/15/2021 - 16:32

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Come on Oroborous, don't delete your post. I did see it. And yes, this is not this day in Grateful Dead History. I never look at that site, so I don't follow what they post each day. Some shows are worth a listen, but variety is welcome for sure.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 08:35

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Ice & Snow kicked me off the internet for a day.
It was tough, let me tell ya.
Not sure how we grew up without this stuff ;)

Or, good thing we didn't have this when I was a kid or I never would've gone outside.

While I was in the wilderness without the internet, there was another Nudie suit sighting.
3/18/73 NRPS show
I'm listening to it now, the NRPS were wearing their Nudie Suits, and Keith, Donna, Bobby & Jerry all join the boys on the stage. They're talking to somebody from the bands and he says "we couldn't get Garcia to wear his though". So not sure if Keith Donna & Bobby have theirs on or not, they'd wear them the next night for the final time.

Pretty neat.

Digging the show, there's a nice FM copy on Archive here if you've not heard it -
https://archive.org/details/nrps1973-03-18.fm.weiner.21538.sbeok.shnf

There's a Willie and the Hand Jive that Garcia plays on.
(Since we've been discussing '86 and the Hand Jive has popped up, figure that was relevant)

The other thing I was learning yesterday without the internet was about the Carousel shows March 29-31, 1968.
Smoking stuff!!
Based on what I'm reading and hearing, I think 3/31/68 is the night Jerry pushed Phil.
You Play Goddammit!
If you want to flip your lid, listen to the Caution from 3/31... GODDAMN!
Some of that was definitely used on Anthem, and it's totally off the rails.
Wonder what the story is on these Reels in the Vault?

Well, there you go.
Who's got a pick?

EDIT - Oh yeah, I started to read up on Nanao but then lost the wi-fi, far out. Strikes me as a peaceful warrior.
Speaking of, you all ever read Peaceful Warrior? I read it when I was a kid, I think Dan Millman was the trapeze artist at the Trips Festival, trippy huh?!?!

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 11:03

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...yeah I know, deep subject (cue rim shot!) hey-ooo.
I see there are dates and ideas, but do we have a pick?

If not I’d like to suggest 2 ideas.
1) 5/3/86 from boxilla. Still haven’t got to this one and all this 86 talk makes me want to try some 86. Also. need my device for other stuff...
2) Capitol 71 run: I know Striders been anxiously prepping for the 18th, and yes though I get bored with same old repetitive anniversaries, this is different. This is like the difference between your unpteenth anniversary, (sorry Love!) and your 50th wedding Anniversary! So since we’ve been floundering a bit lately, how bout we start on the 18th and go the whole Capitol Run. If nothing else it’s like wearing a uniform to work; ya don’t have to think about what to ware in the morning! ; )
Or not, just a thought.

GOGD: have a research project if your interested. I can’t seem to find which Spectrum show had Wrestling before the Dead? I’m sure it was at the Spectrum, but I’m not sure if it was 86 or 87? I tried to cross reference with WWF 86 schedule but no luck, then I ran outta time...maybe their was a different “league” or something? I looked at comments on the archive too, but nobody mentions it? I’m not sure I’ll have that kinda time, but knowing you like to ferret these oddities out, thought you might enjoy it? I know we enjoy your adventures in the pursuit of all things Dead!

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 11:56

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I'll listen to 5/3/86 and I'll listen to the whole Capitol 71 Run.

It's on.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 12:25

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....I'm listening to 12.15.86. Been diving down that '86 rabbit hole recently.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 13:17

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Wonder how often you hear Heads gettin' stoked on '86?

Set 1 from 5/3 is fun.
Set 2 is beginning.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 13:46

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Enough time has passed

3 31 86 should have been on my list earlier

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 02/16/2021 - 15:34

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Not too shabby!
Fun little first, of course 86 short.., good opener for gray cold morning,.second set is pretty good, might go again just cause...Played so loud JGs voice coils seized up, too funny! So far I don’t think I’ve heard a bad show from Boxilla, sure maybe not all killer, but not a bad one so far...
Yeah, diggin the 86, anyone know of any more goodins send em along so I can write em down,
Thanks! I’d say grab another tomorrow before we go down the Capitol hole, but that’s up to y’all, don’t wanna be greedy! ; )

EDIT: add 3/31and 12/15 to list ✔️

I have fond memories of that song deep into the pre-drums set two dogma.. typically filling the Ship of Fools or Sampson segment just before it gets into deep space. There's a Hampton, a Merriweather and an Augusta that come to mind.

Personal to me, but some really fond memories and I still dig this tune.

(edit, I did not make Augusta, still kicking myself in the ass for that one)

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Submitted by Oroborous on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 06:26

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Sounds good DV!
Just got a real gone copy...I’ve had a copy copy, but just today got my hard copy...so it’s a sign!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 07:28

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50th anniversary tomorrow. So let me throw my lucky Stetson hat in the ring. Tomorrow’s pick , 2/18/71. Will work on some kind of reminiscent writing.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 08:45

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Loud and proud

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 08:48

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As fate would have it, I listened to that recently.

Excellent choice

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 13:52

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Dave's Picks #23! What a high energy show this is. That He's Gone into The Other One. Wow! At almost 40 minutes, I would have been drained at the end of that version, jazzy and spacey.
Fall 72 and this one delivers the whole show minus the encore I believe.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 17:04

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:)))

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 02/17/2021 - 22:15

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Time for you to go back where you belong.

Looking forward to the Multi Track spectacular 2/18/71.

Ready for this too.

I primed my interest with 2/21 last night into shoveling this morning. My second listen since the reissue, and this one popped on many levels - I got much more out of this than the first listen. This will mark my second listen of 2/18 since the reissue. These releases are gems.

Enjoy all.. we heard from Doc regarding this show on the Dave's Picks thread.. bet we hear from Strider on this one.

Cease the day folks.. make the best you can out of 2/18/2021.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 07:30

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Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy, big 50th today, I know Striders Stoked ; )
I am too, stoked for some multi-track grooviness! and a great way to kick off the run!
Boo ya, a real Bobbie Dazzler eh!

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 07:47

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I wrote a long piece in pencil before sunrise this morning. I’ve decided to post it on the dead.net page , Grateful Dead 2/18/71 as it will last longer than the American Beauty 50th page and maybe even this pick of the day page. Yes , I’m stoked. Where is Doc@11 ?

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 08:34

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Hola Strider.. looking for your 2/18 recap.. Where did you post it? I looked on the 2/18 page and there is a short paragraph starting with someone attempting to rob you outside the show, "give me your money..." A little scary, but hilarious at the same time.

I enjoy the personal GD stories, especially ones that go this far back.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 08:34

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In fact.. looking forward to the write-up so much I had to post it twice.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 08:44

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Ditto Jim!

I'm looking forward to Strider's 2/18/71 Liner Notes to enjoy with these tunes.
I think he's working on them :)
This Dark Star is good to listen to.

Speaking of Dark Stars, Rob Eaton is having a hard year so far.
Charlie Miller mentioned he's dealing with the Covid now.
Send positive Vibes Rob's way.
Here's some info and hoping to help spread the word of his GoFundMe if it hasn't already made the rounds -
https://www.gratefulweb.com/articles/dark-star-orchestras-rob-eaton-lau…

Everybody that listens to this music has a lot to thank Rob for and there's good people here.
Send out that joy and reflect some back at him.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 09:42

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....I clicked that link, but didn't see anything about Covid. Cool site though. I you scroll down, there some neat GD stuff for sale (I'm looking at you Dancing Bear wine bottle stopper).

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 09:51

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Yeah, way cool site, I need to spend more time digging through it.

Just heard about the Covid news this AM, so wanted to bump the GoFundMe.

F Covid!

You are correct sir.. seems to only be one audience copy that circulates. And it's not great, just ok.

I miss NRPS, RIP John/Buddy. They were endlessly touring before Buddy Cage got sick and were easy to catch.. one of those bands you see time after time and it never got old. David Nelson is still around, but he doesn't seem to make it too far out of CA and HI, and that is back when we used to have live music... And the last time I saw them he seemed a big fragile. They guy is authentic, a living legend in my humble opinion. I was just listening to one of their last studio albums a couple days ago while cooking some dinner. Where I Come From.. a really nice album.

Had a great time with this show today.. did 2/21 yesterday and when 2.18 ended I went right back into the first six or seven songs of 2.21 again. Loved it..

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Thu, 02/18/2021 - 21:38

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Fantastic show. Sound quality is A+. That Dark Star, Wharf Rat, Dark Star, Me and My Uncle are worth the price of admission. And yes, I said Me and My Uncle.
Looking forward to 2/21/71 soon.

So much great music to explore, we are a lucky bunch....... Okay back to try the..

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 07:42

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Listened to 2/18/71 starting at sunset. Then I started 2/19/71 just before midnight (hour) . With first verse of Loser when the clock struck 12 o’clock (High) 2/19/21 finished complete show. Still up before the sun this morning. Listening to 2/19 a second go-round this morning “I know she’s in the world somewhere” . “ I can’t wait that long to walk around the world “. Wow, the original five or as David Gans said ,”the quintessential quintet”. Smokestack Lightning “ is so smooth and driven, bad and beautiful.”

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Submitted by Tom_Tom on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 08:20

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Well I ordered the Dave's Picks Vol.37 the day it came out !...I HAVE NOT Received it, I contracted Dead.net, Only to get a Auto-Reply indicating they would get back to me with in a few days, Needless to say , It was charged to my Credit Card but I never got my CD, Ive had trouble ordering quite a few times in the Past, And now there is NO WAY to call and speak to a Human Being ! Ive been a Dedicated buyer of almost EVERY Dicks / Dave's picks as well as the Road Trips CDs... I do not order the Yearly Subscription for a few reasons , One of them being the cost, I just cant afford it during these troubled times, I prefer to order CDs when they come out Individually,...Now the CD is SOLD OUT...Why is this happening ?..Is it because of the State I live in ? (New Mexico)...I have no other problems when ordering other Items from other Shippers, I am totally Disgusted with the way things are being done at Dead.net and Ive been thinking maybe its time for me just to move on ....(Please excuse my typing, as my computers keyboard is a bit messed up)...THANK YOU ...TOMAS .

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 08:41

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I realize I bought the killer vinyl versions of From the Vault (1,2,&3) . Virgin vinyl. That’s five Vs.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 09:08

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If you ordered a la carte, give it a few more days.

The days of talking to real people are vanishing. Like, 98% gone. "Go to our website" is the only option given. But remember, "your call is important to us". Lol...

"Artificial Intelligence" and all that shit.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 09:22

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Gonna listen to some Grateful Dead today.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 09:53

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I have found a rare dud

9 30 80 through hes gone is "HEY! WHO NEEDS COFFEE?"

Hopefully things will get livelier.

After blissing out to 12 30 79 last evening, this show is quite a contrast.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 10:03

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...2/19/71 and let me tell ya...I got no chance of losing THIS time!

2/18/71: upon future review, I’m with DOC 11, it’s a good show, but perhaps a tad overhyped...
I used to feel this way in the past, then when I received the 50th multi tracks, I flipped out at how good it sounds, and really dug it, like top shelf where mama hides the cookies, but now I’m a bit more conservative?
Yassss it’s a sexy show with those 5 newbies, and it has that little but First set Dark Star, with a pretty damn good Rat for first time as the meat in the sandwich (damn this 2/19 Cumberlands good for typing!) and I forgot about the Saint Steve’s, but it’s a bit organic overall; their not that tight on some things and the guitars where more outta tune then I recall.
Now before ya wish upon me eternal damnation, I’m just giving it the critical thinking treatment. I still love it, I enjoy it, especially the multi-track goodness, but I already understand why they picked 2/19 over this one for the vault release, and I’m only up to hurts me too...
But now I’m really itching to do this whole run because it really is the coolest way to compare the shows and get the possible underlying adjustments and evolution etc..
Ok, nuff talk,...shut up and turn it up!

Edit: 2/19 Bertha: whoa, easy there Billy! Just a tad different then the previous night lol..

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 10:48

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Check out hes gone

Sleeeeeeeeeepyyyyyy....

The next track is awake. My coffee idea worked!

At least for now...time will tell

Coffee courtesy of DarkStarbucks

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Submitted by daverock on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 10:48

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Orobouros - yes 2/19 sounds of a higher order to me than 2/18. More people on stage for the 18th, and neither adding a great deal, it has to be said. Maybe the others felt the same way as Ned and Mickey only played that first night. Once they were down to the original 5 the sound of 1971 crystallized.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 10:54

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First set is a melty dream
Second set has the chandelier thing
All those new tunes throughout
And now Saint Stephen without that horrific splice

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Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 02/19/2021 - 13:18

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Wow..yeah, imho they sound way more together. The previous nights newbies are improved, listen to Phil on Playing both nights, back to back, and compare; there’s more jams; the bacon is greasier, sheeeooot, the Smokestack is worth the price of admission in itself!
That Smokestack was so good I had to listen a second time!
Now, I may know relatively little of 71 specifics, but to me, that Smokestack is THE sound of the Pre KG GD! If someone asked me to play 1 thing as an example of that time I’d have no problem wiping this out! Bobble Dazzler indeed.

The Cryptical suite was, well, pretty sweet ; ) listened to that again too! Also repeats of 1st Bird Song and Deal. Almost hard to believe these are first timers. Easy Wind...fo-git-bout-it! Pass me the napkins! Nice Dark Hollow to provide some variety, and hey, it’s got a Cumberland!
Yeah, 2/18 is a fine show, but this bad boy hangs where mama hides the cookies!
Looking forward to tomorrow 2/20/71 as I’ve not heard that one before...