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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    Jane's Addiction covering Ripple....

    https://youtu.be/YxOlQrVa-84

  • proudfoot
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    since my wife is of Irish descent, I can say this...

    when did an Irishman ever walk out of a bar?

    I thought they crawled or rolled out

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    I agree with you 100% Mr Ones - when CDs are no longer available, my collecting days will be too. I’m currently having a problem with Warner/WEA for another artist, just horrible service. To throw me off the trail, they sent me an email last week with “Post Office Tracking”, product to be delivered on March 16. My dog could tell all they did was create an electronic label, never affixed it to the product and mailed it out. No response to any email. I wouldn’t care, but this, and other items I have were prepaid, and available no where else, otherwise I’d say forget it. Just drives you nuts because you are a fan, you’re an easy touch. How does their business model ever expect to “capture new business”, if they show such disdain for the folks that eagerly tap in their payment info? Sorry to beat the drum on this, but it is certainly not just this site, and Rhino. PS - They also threw me the “warehouse issues” line! Not even original. No green beer for them!

    On a happier note, and in toast to St Paddy’s Day, an Irishman walks out of a bar...

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    Yes I finally got it. I hate to say it but it was Marye who accomplished that feat for me. I only hate to say it, because, I not sure if Marye is actually a employee of ANYONE! I would hate to lumber Marye up with anymore work or speak of her like she's responsible for helping us fools. I always get the feeling (and no reason why), that Marye just has the ear of someone in the know and is kind enough to mention the blight of our troubles to them.

    In any event, I got the download.

    Thanks Marye, and if there are more in the background that helped,,, thanks to you too.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    The world of art collecting is going digital. Last week some fool paid $millions for digital art.

    Vinyl is back, cassette tapes are even being produced in limited quantities. I don’t think that CD’s are going away yet, there are too many of us lunatics who demand them.
    Digital is the future, and what we are doing is paying for the digitization and remastering of the reels when we buy the CD’s. The digital files are stored and will be available as downloads at some point in a few decades. The ‘limited’ statement only refers to the current pressing and release of the batch of CD’s.
    The downloads are inevitable, and will probably be hi-res, but most of us will probably be gone by then. So for now, order your CD’s and cross your fingers that they actually arrive, are undamaged, and are not defective.
    For those who want downloads now, you must not be aware that Rhino isn’t actually competent enough to run a download service. It’s been proven over and over.
    Dennis, did you ever get your Angel’s Share download?

    And the 3rd-party warehouse incompetence has been going on for years.

    Read what the employees say about Direct Shot (Franklin, IN).
    https://www.indeed.com/cmp/Direct-Shot-Distributing/reviews

    Recall that before Gnarlywood your CD’s came from Franklin.
    Before Franklin they came from outside of Nashville, and before that they came from Crozet.

    It has only gotten worse with each warehouse/distributor change.

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    It occurs to me that it was reported some time ago, about a new fulfillment center that took over Warner's and others shipment of products. Clearly, they seem to be answerable to no one, and feel as if customer service is an unnecessary evil. They seem to feel that since there is nowhere else to go, then "screw you" is their right as a response to any and all complaints.
    I have spoken with the management of my local "Indie' record shop, and they have told me that getting Warner and related product is next to impossible. It kind of feels as if we have nowhere to turn, because I don't believe they care if we boycott or don't. I wish I was proposing a reasonable and viable solution, but alas, I do not have one.
    Maybe this is part of the "grand plan" to eliminate cds altogether. When physical product disappears, then I am done collecting. I know I am old and out of touch, but I don't want to "own" something that I cannot see, hear, feel, and most importantly, read.
    I know cd production will end sooner rather than later, I was just hoping that it could remain until I no longer exist. Sorry for the long rant, but I feel everyone's frustration, and I believe that we all have the "right" to feel this way.

    Music is the best-I just hope it stays physical.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Proudfoot wants to know the year. I want to known how many discs, thus cost. The calculus is complex. If the year is 1968-1972, I no longer care about how many discs, because I'm buying it, while wishing it won't exceed 20 discs/$200. If it's 1976-1995, we'll have to know the exact year and dates, PLUS the number of discs to determine whether to purchase. At this point I'm being choosy on 76-78, but there's smokin' shows in 79-81 that I'd go for.

    A word on mylar balloons someone just mentioned: please don't use these mobile bits of trash. I have been in some of the remotest and pristine parts of Colorado -- generally the high desert between 5,000 and 10,000 feet -- and seen a shiny object that turns out to be HAPPY [5th-100th] BIRTHDAY for whomever. Gotta stuff it in my pack and dispose of it properly. Those damn things show up in the least appropriate places. That and Bud Light cans on the backroads. When you're done with it, poke a hole and place it in the trash, please. This PSA brought to you by Get Off My Lawn Enterprises.....

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    50 years ago today……………..

    March 17, 1971
    Fox Theater, St. Louis, Missouri

    Information about this show is a bit sketchy. According to setlists.net, Me & Bobby McGee and Lovelight were played.

    The following partial set list has been posted at jerrygarcia.com: Next Time You See Me-Me And Bobby McGee-Hard To Handle-Cryptical Envelopment >drums >The Other One >Cryptical Envelopment. If correct, a full CE/TOO/CE suite would have been unusual…….

    According to first hand accounts, the show opened with Truckin’, Hard To Handle was played early in the first set, the show closed with NFA/GDTRFB/NFA and Johnny B Goode, and Lovelight was not played.

    Next Time You See Me and Me & Bobby McGee were played on “Tapers Section” at dead.net in March 2007, at which time David Lemieux referenced reel cuts in Hard To Handle and The Other One. The sound quality was very good, but with tape hiss. And yes, Next Time You See Me rocks!

    As somebody who “grew up” on bootleg tapes and got used to edits, flaws, and omissions in Dead recordings, I would be totally OK with it seeing the light of day eventually……….

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained

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    This 2/14 version never amounted to anything special in my play list. To me it suffered through the gongs like most 1970 Dark Stars, but didn't have anything "special" about it. That was after 15 or 20 plays since it came out on Long Strange Trip.

    Tonight was like the first time ever hearing it. This one has some face melting moments. I'm still not crazy about gong time but isn't it great how a Dead performance can be like catching a good wave!

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    Don't know Bob. Haven't been there in over a year....

    ....probably not as hopping as when we were there, but its a slow, cautious climb. We added a new hotel though in that neck of the woods. The Circa. Google their amazeballs sports book.. My first shot is tomorrow. EXACTLY one year to the day that Sin City was forced to shut down.
    I also concur with the JRAD assessment.

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Second night at the Knick June '95. I remember the police sealed off several blocks close to the venue after some orc mischief among the fans the previous night. We figured that's why they closed with I Fought the Law.

The 06/19/76 Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ set list you laid out is incredible! I admit, I don’t follow all the unreleased stuff the way other posters do here, but every once and a while, a set list is laid out that makes you go “Wow!”, and this is one of them.

And KeithFan - I can always find time for the Cars, too. Just a great, fun band, with excellent songs, great hooks, and some totally underrated players (the live “Take What You Want” found on bootlegs from their club tours of the 70s still rattles my speakers. I have one recorded at the El Mocambo in Toronto that just brings joy to all the villagers who hear it!)

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Saturday Night for openers...at UC Davis '82...they came out (Sunday eve show) and Bobby said "Here's one we forgot to do last night"...great show...

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You don't want to know which shows I don't care much for; I would be jettisoned from the group!

Opinions are like buttholes: everyone has one, no one wants to hear them, and they usually stink. :)

And the "problem" with GD shows is that they're like sex and brownies: even when they're the worst you've had they're still pretty damn good.

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I was just wondering if anyone in the Leigh Valley or Philly area get there Dap 37 ?

Thanks!

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Here Comes Sunshine
Eyes Of The World
Not Fade Away
Playin' In The Band

ps. 2/27/81 great show!

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You’re absolutely right, totally missed that. Clung!! (Wooden mallet to the noggin).
Thanks for showing me the light!

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Got my shipping note on 1/26 but no DP37 in my postbox till today.
Anyone else in Europe still waiting?
Stay all safe & healthy
Best wishes from the sunny Isle of Fehmarn
JJ

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Why don't you have UPS pick them back up for final delivery?

Please and thank you!

ps. I heard on the news,
"there are one million packages waiting to be sorted in Philly since Christmas!"

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It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine -- it was a fabulously appropriate choice. For those of you who have not been to PNC Holmdel N.J. amphitheater it is an outdoor venue built into the earth like other similar venues and the sunshine came through from the west brightening a gloomy day while illuminating the band and crowd. It was The Grateful Dead meets a scene from an old Warner Brothers' Hollywood Biblical Epic Movie! Glancing over my shoulder . . .. I searched the horizon for an apparition. . .. Maybe Charlton Heston holding the Ten Commandments?

I was always partial to a Shakedown Street opener. But I also love it anywhere in the line up.

March 1 on Monday, when is it that box coming out?

Peace out.

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I’m with JiminMD, 9/3/88-Let The Good Times Roll opener, but also, that Box of Rain second set opener too!! Plus 2 song encore ending on Ripple.
I spent at least 5 years loving the Cars, just one of many bands in my long string of “current favorites”, way too long to get into here. Starts in ‘64, ends when I die.

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Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

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Hello fellow Dead fans, this is my first time ordering from this site, ordered Dave’s Picks 37 back on 1/29 when it was released and still haven’t received my copy. I contacted customer service and have yet to receive a reply besides the automated email. I have put my tracking number into both UPS and USPS and neither show any updates. I live in eastern KY so I didn’t think it would take this long to get here, and I understand covid and the weather delaying shipping, but can I expect to receive it anytime soon or should I request a refund? I’m a little afraid mine is lost or something haha. Also wondering if I should wait longer for customer service to reply, I sent it back on the 23rd.

It was Easter Sunday 4/7/85, I was literally seeing Easter Bunnies...not on the rail but up pretty close...it’s getting to be time....the lights are still on but Phil comes out and quickly sets up and walks to the mics which weren’t on yet...what’s he saying? “hiyah, hiyah, hiyah kids, can you hear me” ....then seemingly in an instant, ok well maybe a psychedelic instant lol, he bursts into Why Don’t We Do It In The Road! Yeah, it was that kinda show....anyone digs 85 MUST check out this show! Yes JG has a tour “cold” by this point, but so what,....listen to the music play! Best Easter Ever!

EDIT: if I wasn’t a dumb ass I would of caught Day Tripper on 6/25/85, Dooaahhh!

DBL Edit: some other fun/unusual/notables I saw;
- 3/21/86 Road Runner
- 3/27/88 Space>>So What (2nd set)
- 6/30/88 Green Onions (2nd set), Box of Rain opener
- 10/15/88 Space>>One Mo Saturday
- 7/13/94 Truckin’>>New Speedway (2nd set)
- 6/30/85 Rain>>Box of Rain>>Samba in Rain>>LL Rain (2nd set)

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Stillwater’s; not too up on D&C but can attest that most of the Boulder shows were good. Forget which one, but one of the last shows there was excellent, the other decent. I know my cousin spoke highly of the 2 New Years shows from 2019.

I had forgotten that 6-19-76 was in the friggin' '76 box! Just pulled it off the shelf for a re-run, plus dragged out the FW69 discs for this evening's jolt of GD. Got the fresh produce, check. Stout? Check! Jameson? Check! GD collection? Oh boy, it's so large that I can't remember everything that's in it.

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careful with the powder on the bottom...
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Me too!! IceCrmcnKd mentioned it, so I pulled the box out and “Geez!” For the record, I again stand by my “Wow”, what a great set, and it must have blown the roof off the place.

I can hear echos of my dear Mrs “Don’t you have enough Grateful Dead already!?”
The point could be astutely made: Never.

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We were close enough that our sound came from the back line of amps rather than the PA and I was duly impressed with the actual crackling and slight buzzing that came off even these top pro's amps, and the vocals from the side monitors/PA speakers blended real well. Also, when you're close, as most of you know, you get to see the little looks between players while the music is going, solos are traded off, and then the off-mic banter. I was two months shy of my 19th birthday and had already racked up seven GD shows in '72-'73 and starved all of 1974 and '75. So we were ready with a little tootskie and the requisite produce. About 5-6 of us had adjacent seats. I just looked it up: Jer was only 34 years old. Bobby was 29.

Ya know, I'm Hendrixfreak, right? But too young to have seen him in concert; just never had the opportunity really. (I was already Hendrixfreak in '69, then he passed away a month after my 13th b-day and I didn't start going to shows until spring 1971. (Wow, that makes this spring 50 freakin' years in the trenches of live music!) But I feel profoundly fortunate to have caught the GD in concert maybe 75 times between 1972 and 1992. Plus innumerable Jer solo shows.

Oro, as you probably know, when you harvest fresh produce -- especially Indica -- you end up with sticky stuff on your clippers. Carve that off, let it dry, pop it into the bowl and BAM! Free transport to Amsterdam or Kabul, preferably the former..... And, yes, I've got a plan for at least one disc of FW69 with my modest piece of fresh sheesh!

Peace to all!

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...never a good idea, and I’m wasting time/bored. @ Show Openers;

14 Buckets
13 Touch’s
12 Strangers
8 Shakedowns
8 LTGTR
8 Alabama’s
7 Jack Straws
6 1/2 Steps
5 Iko’s
4 Berthas
3 Midnight Hours
3 Dancin’s
3 H/S/F
3 Cold R&S
2 Picasso Moons
2 GSET
1 Road Runner
1 Do It In the road
1 Foolish Heart
1 Music Never
1 Gimme Some Lovin’
1 Box Of Rain
1 Minglewood
1 Promised Land @ my first show.

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Alligator
Schoolgirl
China>Rider
Hard To Handle
Doing That Rag

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"It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine "

Same thing happened at Giants 6/6/1993.

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That must of been sweet!
Unfortunately never saw that one : (

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If you see this, please pm me.................

Now that I have your obviously undivided attention, gentle reminder now that we have a little breather between Port Chester and March 3. Anybody with a hankering for some new 71s, I might be able to help you out. And if anybody needs some light reading, "The 1971 Project" is available upon request. It's probably a continuous work-in-progress, but I'd bet that hendrixfreak or even strider brown might find a nugget or two of interest there......

Thanks for the ABCD list link. So where's 12/1/71 and 12/5/71??????

Rock on rockers!!!

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Eugene 8/21/93, my favorite, super sweet start to a fun show. best Standing on the Moon ever. August '93 polished like a golden bowl in my memory.

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Mississippi 1/2 Step 8
Hell In A Bucket 7
Jack Straw 7
Cold Rain & Snow 6
LTGTR 6
Touch Of Grey 5
Bertha 4
Aiko Aiko 4
Picasso Moon 4
Feel Like A Stranger 4
Help On The Way 2
One More Saturday Night 2
Here Come Sunshine 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
Fun fact. My first 3 shows were Aiko openers.
Was present at the HCS Eugene opener.
I also witnessed 2 Saturday Night openers. I don't recall the second one. Might have been late to the gate. It happens.

China Cat Sunflower 10
Scarlet Begonias 5
Victim Or The Crime 5
Aiko Aiko 4
Samson & Delilah 4
Foolish Heart 3
Here Comes Sunshine 3
Box Of Rain 2
Crazy Fingers 2
Hell In A Bucket 2
Help On The Way 2
Saint Of Circumstance 2
Shakedown Street 2
Truckin' 2
Easy Answers 1
Eyes Of The World 1
Hey Pocky Way 1
If The Shoe Fits 1
Jack Straw 1
Just A Little Light 1
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 1
One More Saturday Night 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
I was apparently a China Cat Magnet.
I don't recall the If The Shoe Fits opener. Good on me for that lapse of memory.

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Ladies and gentlemen ‘The Grateful Dead’ Live From Oakland! With maybe their very first live shakedown st. DPs series?!
The Grateful Dead played many Primo Prrformances over their career in Oakland! “Play Ball”!
Batter up! Or does it go the other way around?! Lol . Rock on my brothers and sisters! 😎
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Yo! Rockers!!

Some favorite show openers:
Big River (6-26-74)
Cold Rain & Snow (5-11-78)
Mississippi 1/2 Step (10-28-79)
Jackstraw (3-12-81)
Shakedown (4-26-83)
Music Never Stopped (10-21-83)
Dancin' In The Streets (6-24-84)

I seemed to catch a lot of Berthas, Promised Lands, and Alabama Getaways........

Rock on!

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....I only caught one Alabama Getaway. Better than none. Third song into the second set on 2.12.89. That counts as two in my opinion.
Also caught the last/final Monkey & The Engineer that gig.
Lucky me. Those Forum runs in 89 were electric.

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So I finally received my #37, but unfortunately it doesn’t do me any good as the discs are all faulty, some don’t play at all and the other just constantly skips and pauses. Just wondering if anyone else ran into this kind of bad luck with their discs. I just contacted customer service, hopefully I don’t have to wait a really long time to finally listen to this show, but that seems to be the way with my past experiences.

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This customer service is completely SHIT. I live 30 minutes drive from where all the Dave’s are shipped from Carlsbad, CA. I have a subscription. An order confirmation... and right now, no shipping notice, no nothing. No phone number to call or rep to speak to, no reply from Dr Rhinos emails. NOTHING. This is completely unsat. I’ve filed a Better Business Bureau complaint.

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To be fair, not my favourite Dead cover by a long chalk. They always seemed a bit constrained by the riff to me...but the one played on 3/25/72, as evidenced on Dicks Picks 30, goes stratospheric. Easily the best version of it they did-that I have heard. Curious that they seemed to drop it after that. I say, without checking to see if they did-I don't remember it featuring on the European tour.

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I may have been at that one but I am not sure. I was there again in 94, and, being a Traffic fan, I left the parking lot scene to go inside at the Giants 94 shows. With the Furthur show at PNC Bank Arts Center, and, it being an open air amphitheater with a circular roof, the way the light broke through the clouds in between the narrow area between the roof and ground was , well, Biblically-Hollywood. What a great show that was. In fact the crowd was so loud and boisterous that Phil commented on it during his "Donor-Rap." He dug the crowd energy.

To those of us in the northern hemisphere, let's hope for an early beautiful Spring and an end to this Pandemic. Peace to all here.

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2 28 69 FW!

TIME FOR A '69 BOX release.

Not sure what the hold up is....

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On key opening songs I witnessed. Just a few highlights:

In '72-'73, it's all Bertha and Promised Land, depending on whether Jer or Bob started the show
Except, 7-31-73, when they opened with Ramble On Rose

In '76, there's that H>S>F>TMNS, one Sugaree, one Promised Land.

In '77, it's all Bertha and Promised Land again

In '78, there's a Jack Straw, Bertha, Promised Land, and a Mississippi Half Step (all at Red Rocks)

In '79, a Shakedown

In '80, a Jack Straw and an Uncle John's Band (both in Boulder)

Skipping ahead to highlights: 8-13-87, Jer sings Big Boss Man to open a third night at the Rocks. (Man, how did we ever do those three nighters in a row??)

Oh hell, that exercise wasn't that exciting... the openers certainly got the crowd going - esp. Bertha and Promised Land = except in the early days, '72-'73, the mixer used the first song to dial in the sound, so the opener was a bit of a sacrificial lamb as it were. (Witness: the PNW box.) Basically we took Jer's Bertha to mean that he was comin' out ready for action.

Again, feel fortunate to have seen lots of shows with my friends and thousands of friends I had never met before arriving at the show.

I managed to get the out of production Hendrix Box Set Stages on the cheap and in great shape via eBay for $41.64 including shipping and taxes. Pretty good deal! I have not listened to it yet but will check back in . . .. That Songs for Groovy Children box will be next.

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We watched a comedian the other night brian regan i believe

It was recorded at red rocks

I kept visualizing the GD playing there

That must have been FANTASTIC

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Walkin the Dog>Deal in 85

1/2 Step>Road Runner in 86

Big Boss Man in 88

Saw a ton of Shakedown openers from the early to mid 80s.

H>S>F has to be at the top of show openers, if for no other reason than From the Vault 1. HCS might be up there, but the quality on the song was not the same when it reemerged.

I was also at that Rochester show when they started the second set with Green Onions. Other interesting second set openers were Terrapin (85) and Quinn>Dancin (86).

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