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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • DeadVikes
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    Hey Bluecrow, you were at this show, that is cool. Are you a Minnesota guy?

  • icecrmcnkd
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    “Hey, Larry Flynt is right”

    From: The Simpsons
    Situation: Barney Gumbel referring to Stephen Hawking.

    RIP Larry Flynt.
    Not that I’m a Hustler aficionado, and I’ve never given Larry even a penny.
    But one man’s porn is another man’s 1st amendment right.
    Thanks for fighting for free speech Larry.

    Disclaimer:
    Most of what I think I know about Larry is due to Woody Harrelson.

    Hmmmm.....
    Larry Flynt.
    Woody......

    Never occurred to me until I just wrote that sentence.....

  • Vguy72
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    ....I peaked at the setlist. Get it. Peaked??

  • That Mike
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    Guy walks into a bar and yells, “All scalpers are assholes.”
    The man at the end of the bar says” I object to that remark”.
    The guy responds: “Why, are you a scalper?”
    “No, I’m an asshole”, says the man.

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    Love all the capitalist trying to make $10 on eBay by scalping DP 37. Classy.

  • Forensicdoceleven
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    History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived..........

    My friends, my colleagues, my fellow Dead travellors.................

    Back when I started with the crazy collecting of the Dead music, circa 1979-1980, my appetite for said crazy music was insatiable. First bootleg LPs (still have a few, but no turntable LOL), then tapes. Now, there were less "eras" back then, but for me it was any and all years, audience, sound board, FM, didn't matter...........

    When I started with tapes, I was fortunate to have two mentors (Gil Matthews, John Farrar) who steered me into high quality early Dead, always the emphasis on the highest quality available, but not necessarily an exclusive focus on 1971. MAYBE 25% of 1971 shows circulated then, most of the April and Fall tour shows didn't commonly circulate yet.

    My busiest trading years were 1982-spring of 86. Was doing tons of my trades and huge numbers of B& Ps, as well as mentoring a very active taping cooperative centered out of Hartford. Jeffrey Greenberg, Rich Petlock (RIP), Bob Messina, and John Starks. Weather permitting, on Friday nights I'd go down there on the motorcycle, saddlebags filled with primo SBDs and FMs. At that time, floods of new things were were leaking out. And, my friends went to every East coast show and recorded everything. Those were heady days.......

    And then there were the Bettys, which opened our eyes (and ears!) a lot, especially about Port Chester.....

    Of course, life intervenes, and listening time decreases due to "real life issues", so for me the focus gradually grew narrower and narrower. With greater exposure, I found something very appealing about 1971. I think it was the Bakersfield, rock and roll aspect. As many have pointed out, the big drawback for many is the lack of "big jams". This is a very legitimate criticism. Clearly, it wasn't the raucous, spacy jams of 1969-1970, and it wasn't the creamy smoothness of 1972-1974. Like being caught between a rock and a hard place. There are some good and even great jams in 1971, but you have to dig around for them.............

    For those who posted such things, it's been very interesting to hear what people would listen to "in my honor". "In my honor", omg that sounds so weird, does that make me an elder statesman, or just elder? Ah......ummm.......what was I talking about????

    I'll probably continue in a similar vein at some point in the future. Maybe restarting on February 18?????

    Rock on!

    Doc
    The past is never where you think you left it.........

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    They seemed to get more into jamming again when Keith joined from October onwards. In fact, from October onwards, I tend to think of shows as being closer to 1972 in terms of sound and approach than they are to ones from earlier in 1971. Certainly October-December 1971 shows sound more like Europe 72 than they do to February or April 1971. To my ears, anyway.

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    proud foot and wadeocu - 5/31 was my 3rd show - didn't realize at time how crazy it was to have (!!!!!!!) > (!!!!!!!) predrumz (oops already said too much). Pretty enthusiastic crowd that night leading to a somewhat unusual double encore. After US Blues, house lights went up and all signs pointed to that being all she wrote. But a whole bunch of people still didn't leave, just yelling and cheering. A buddy and I decided to see if we could sneak backstage. Roadies were breaking things down. We had made our way above the tunnel that led to the stage wondering if there was a way to get down into it. Suddenly here comes the band walking out of the tunnel again (maybe someone out in front of them to clue in the crew.) My buddy and I are like holy crap they're coming back out! And they played Brokedown. I think they remembered that MN enthusiasm the next year because if you want some more interesting song sequence go no further then Minneapolis the next summer. check out the s**dw**h coming out of Space (no fair peeking!)

    https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1981/07/10 (Miller audience, no SBD seems to circulate.)

    BTW - Dave L. likes 5/31- its shown up in both Tapers Section and Jam of the Week I think.

    And Happy Birthday Doc!! Think I'll go Yale Bowl later today.

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    I took your advice and that WAS fun! I checked out 5/31/80 being careful not to look at the setlist. It is astounding that after 35 years of studious (one may even say obsessive) listening, this band still has pleasant surprises to offer. This is one I have overlooked listening to or even taking note of the interesting set structure.

    SPOILER ALERT: If you want to play along at home like I did (you should, it was fun) read no further and get down to the real business at hand!

    The first surprise was the second song because I didn't realize that the Miller recording was not complete. After the next pairing, I knew what was going on there. Then the most delightful tidbit came next. Seems like a real improvisational moment. Then the next two were real surprises in both order of appearance and the delightful execution. Coming out of space I found myself wondering what Jerry would do - something sweet like UJB or Comes A Time or even Black Peter, but no. Bobby why must you always F with my mood and expectations! It still bugs me that you picked BIODTL after the all-timer Dark Star>Dew on 9/21/72 and I wasn't even born yet when you made that call! Anyway back to 1980, after the number out of space I thought I knew what the next two would be as that had become a bit too predictable in that era, but Bobby does pull a nice audible there at the end. Then the encore seemed a little pedestrian but even it has a bit of gusto to go along with it notwithstanding Bobby puking all over it with his slide guitarist impersonation again. The second turn up to bat after that was yet another pleasant surprise. Apparently even Healey was caught off guard given that we only have the AUD for that portion.

    Anyhow, thanks for the recommendation Stoltzie; I loved it! You have exquisite taste and I heed your advice on these matters when they come up. I am reminded of some of the discussions about Dick's Picks on The Well in the later 90s. It was said from time to time that "Dick can't pick a pumpkin"! Well sir, you know how to pick a fine pumpkin indeed - thank you for that!

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    Clearly it is going to be a 67 box set. The interview hint is tricky because one might be inclined to think 76 but of course we got a 76 box recently. The odd postings from Olob that I think I remember seeing here and there suggest that our insider friend may be dyslexic which points to 67 not 76. Or maybe it is me that is dyslexic and Olob is a figment of my own imagination??

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Second night at the Knick June '95. I remember the police sealed off several blocks close to the venue after some orc mischief among the fans the previous night. We figured that's why they closed with I Fought the Law.

The 06/19/76 Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ set list you laid out is incredible! I admit, I don’t follow all the unreleased stuff the way other posters do here, but every once and a while, a set list is laid out that makes you go “Wow!”, and this is one of them.

And KeithFan - I can always find time for the Cars, too. Just a great, fun band, with excellent songs, great hooks, and some totally underrated players (the live “Take What You Want” found on bootlegs from their club tours of the 70s still rattles my speakers. I have one recorded at the El Mocambo in Toronto that just brings joy to all the villagers who hear it!)

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Saturday Night for openers...at UC Davis '82...they came out (Sunday eve show) and Bobby said "Here's one we forgot to do last night"...great show...

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You don't want to know which shows I don't care much for; I would be jettisoned from the group!

Opinions are like buttholes: everyone has one, no one wants to hear them, and they usually stink. :)

And the "problem" with GD shows is that they're like sex and brownies: even when they're the worst you've had they're still pretty damn good.

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I was just wondering if anyone in the Leigh Valley or Philly area get there Dap 37 ?

Thanks!

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Here Comes Sunshine
Eyes Of The World
Not Fade Away
Playin' In The Band

ps. 2/27/81 great show!

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You’re absolutely right, totally missed that. Clung!! (Wooden mallet to the noggin).
Thanks for showing me the light!

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Got my shipping note on 1/26 but no DP37 in my postbox till today.
Anyone else in Europe still waiting?
Stay all safe & healthy
Best wishes from the sunny Isle of Fehmarn
JJ

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Why don't you have UPS pick them back up for final delivery?

Please and thank you!

ps. I heard on the news,
"there are one million packages waiting to be sorted in Philly since Christmas!"

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It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine -- it was a fabulously appropriate choice. For those of you who have not been to PNC Holmdel N.J. amphitheater it is an outdoor venue built into the earth like other similar venues and the sunshine came through from the west brightening a gloomy day while illuminating the band and crowd. It was The Grateful Dead meets a scene from an old Warner Brothers' Hollywood Biblical Epic Movie! Glancing over my shoulder . . .. I searched the horizon for an apparition. . .. Maybe Charlton Heston holding the Ten Commandments?

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I was always partial to a Shakedown Street opener. But I also love it anywhere in the line up.

March 1 on Monday, when is it that box coming out?

Peace out.

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I’m with JiminMD, 9/3/88-Let The Good Times Roll opener, but also, that Box of Rain second set opener too!! Plus 2 song encore ending on Ripple.
I spent at least 5 years loving the Cars, just one of many bands in my long string of “current favorites”, way too long to get into here. Starts in ‘64, ends when I die.

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Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

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Hello fellow Dead fans, this is my first time ordering from this site, ordered Dave’s Picks 37 back on 1/29 when it was released and still haven’t received my copy. I contacted customer service and have yet to receive a reply besides the automated email. I have put my tracking number into both UPS and USPS and neither show any updates. I live in eastern KY so I didn’t think it would take this long to get here, and I understand covid and the weather delaying shipping, but can I expect to receive it anytime soon or should I request a refund? I’m a little afraid mine is lost or something haha. Also wondering if I should wait longer for customer service to reply, I sent it back on the 23rd.

It was Easter Sunday 4/7/85, I was literally seeing Easter Bunnies...not on the rail but up pretty close...it’s getting to be time....the lights are still on but Phil comes out and quickly sets up and walks to the mics which weren’t on yet...what’s he saying? “hiyah, hiyah, hiyah kids, can you hear me” ....then seemingly in an instant, ok well maybe a psychedelic instant lol, he bursts into Why Don’t We Do It In The Road! Yeah, it was that kinda show....anyone digs 85 MUST check out this show! Yes JG has a tour “cold” by this point, but so what,....listen to the music play! Best Easter Ever!

EDIT: if I wasn’t a dumb ass I would of caught Day Tripper on 6/25/85, Dooaahhh!

DBL Edit: some other fun/unusual/notables I saw;
- 3/21/86 Road Runner
- 3/27/88 Space>>So What (2nd set)
- 6/30/88 Green Onions (2nd set), Box of Rain opener
- 10/15/88 Space>>One Mo Saturday
- 7/13/94 Truckin’>>New Speedway (2nd set)
- 6/30/85 Rain>>Box of Rain>>Samba in Rain>>LL Rain (2nd set)

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Stillwater’s; not too up on D&C but can attest that most of the Boulder shows were good. Forget which one, but one of the last shows there was excellent, the other decent. I know my cousin spoke highly of the 2 New Years shows from 2019.

I had forgotten that 6-19-76 was in the friggin' '76 box! Just pulled it off the shelf for a re-run, plus dragged out the FW69 discs for this evening's jolt of GD. Got the fresh produce, check. Stout? Check! Jameson? Check! GD collection? Oh boy, it's so large that I can't remember everything that's in it.

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careful with the powder on the bottom...
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Me too!! IceCrmcnKd mentioned it, so I pulled the box out and “Geez!” For the record, I again stand by my “Wow”, what a great set, and it must have blown the roof off the place.

I can hear echos of my dear Mrs “Don’t you have enough Grateful Dead already!?”
The point could be astutely made: Never.

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We were close enough that our sound came from the back line of amps rather than the PA and I was duly impressed with the actual crackling and slight buzzing that came off even these top pro's amps, and the vocals from the side monitors/PA speakers blended real well. Also, when you're close, as most of you know, you get to see the little looks between players while the music is going, solos are traded off, and then the off-mic banter. I was two months shy of my 19th birthday and had already racked up seven GD shows in '72-'73 and starved all of 1974 and '75. So we were ready with a little tootskie and the requisite produce. About 5-6 of us had adjacent seats. I just looked it up: Jer was only 34 years old. Bobby was 29.

Ya know, I'm Hendrixfreak, right? But too young to have seen him in concert; just never had the opportunity really. (I was already Hendrixfreak in '69, then he passed away a month after my 13th b-day and I didn't start going to shows until spring 1971. (Wow, that makes this spring 50 freakin' years in the trenches of live music!) But I feel profoundly fortunate to have caught the GD in concert maybe 75 times between 1972 and 1992. Plus innumerable Jer solo shows.

Oro, as you probably know, when you harvest fresh produce -- especially Indica -- you end up with sticky stuff on your clippers. Carve that off, let it dry, pop it into the bowl and BAM! Free transport to Amsterdam or Kabul, preferably the former..... And, yes, I've got a plan for at least one disc of FW69 with my modest piece of fresh sheesh!

Peace to all!

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...never a good idea, and I’m wasting time/bored. @ Show Openers;

14 Buckets
13 Touch’s
12 Strangers
8 Shakedowns
8 LTGTR
8 Alabama’s
7 Jack Straws
6 1/2 Steps
5 Iko’s
4 Berthas
3 Midnight Hours
3 Dancin’s
3 H/S/F
3 Cold R&S
2 Picasso Moons
2 GSET
1 Road Runner
1 Do It In the road
1 Foolish Heart
1 Music Never
1 Gimme Some Lovin’
1 Box Of Rain
1 Minglewood
1 Promised Land @ my first show.

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Alligator
Schoolgirl
China>Rider
Hard To Handle
Doing That Rag

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"It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine "

Same thing happened at Giants 6/6/1993.

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That must of been sweet!
Unfortunately never saw that one : (

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If you see this, please pm me.................

Now that I have your obviously undivided attention, gentle reminder now that we have a little breather between Port Chester and March 3. Anybody with a hankering for some new 71s, I might be able to help you out. And if anybody needs some light reading, "The 1971 Project" is available upon request. It's probably a continuous work-in-progress, but I'd bet that hendrixfreak or even strider brown might find a nugget or two of interest there......

Thanks for the ABCD list link. So where's 12/1/71 and 12/5/71??????

Rock on rockers!!!

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Eugene 8/21/93, my favorite, super sweet start to a fun show. best Standing on the Moon ever. August '93 polished like a golden bowl in my memory.

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Mississippi 1/2 Step 8
Hell In A Bucket 7
Jack Straw 7
Cold Rain & Snow 6
LTGTR 6
Touch Of Grey 5
Bertha 4
Aiko Aiko 4
Picasso Moon 4
Feel Like A Stranger 4
Help On The Way 2
One More Saturday Night 2
Here Come Sunshine 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
Fun fact. My first 3 shows were Aiko openers.
Was present at the HCS Eugene opener.
I also witnessed 2 Saturday Night openers. I don't recall the second one. Might have been late to the gate. It happens.

China Cat Sunflower 10
Scarlet Begonias 5
Victim Or The Crime 5
Aiko Aiko 4
Samson & Delilah 4
Foolish Heart 3
Here Comes Sunshine 3
Box Of Rain 2
Crazy Fingers 2
Hell In A Bucket 2
Help On The Way 2
Saint Of Circumstance 2
Shakedown Street 2
Truckin' 2
Easy Answers 1
Eyes Of The World 1
Hey Pocky Way 1
If The Shoe Fits 1
Jack Straw 1
Just A Little Light 1
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 1
One More Saturday Night 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
I was apparently a China Cat Magnet.
I don't recall the If The Shoe Fits opener. Good on me for that lapse of memory.

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Ladies and gentlemen ‘The Grateful Dead’ Live From Oakland! With maybe their very first live shakedown st. DPs series?!
The Grateful Dead played many Primo Prrformances over their career in Oakland! “Play Ball”!
Batter up! Or does it go the other way around?! Lol . Rock on my brothers and sisters! 😎
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Yo! Rockers!!

Some favorite show openers:
Big River (6-26-74)
Cold Rain & Snow (5-11-78)
Mississippi 1/2 Step (10-28-79)
Jackstraw (3-12-81)
Shakedown (4-26-83)
Music Never Stopped (10-21-83)
Dancin' In The Streets (6-24-84)

I seemed to catch a lot of Berthas, Promised Lands, and Alabama Getaways........

Rock on!

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....I only caught one Alabama Getaway. Better than none. Third song into the second set on 2.12.89. That counts as two in my opinion.
Also caught the last/final Monkey & The Engineer that gig.
Lucky me. Those Forum runs in 89 were electric.

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So I finally received my #37, but unfortunately it doesn’t do me any good as the discs are all faulty, some don’t play at all and the other just constantly skips and pauses. Just wondering if anyone else ran into this kind of bad luck with their discs. I just contacted customer service, hopefully I don’t have to wait a really long time to finally listen to this show, but that seems to be the way with my past experiences.

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This customer service is completely SHIT. I live 30 minutes drive from where all the Dave’s are shipped from Carlsbad, CA. I have a subscription. An order confirmation... and right now, no shipping notice, no nothing. No phone number to call or rep to speak to, no reply from Dr Rhinos emails. NOTHING. This is completely unsat. I’ve filed a Better Business Bureau complaint.

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To be fair, not my favourite Dead cover by a long chalk. They always seemed a bit constrained by the riff to me...but the one played on 3/25/72, as evidenced on Dicks Picks 30, goes stratospheric. Easily the best version of it they did-that I have heard. Curious that they seemed to drop it after that. I say, without checking to see if they did-I don't remember it featuring on the European tour.

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I may have been at that one but I am not sure. I was there again in 94, and, being a Traffic fan, I left the parking lot scene to go inside at the Giants 94 shows. With the Furthur show at PNC Bank Arts Center, and, it being an open air amphitheater with a circular roof, the way the light broke through the clouds in between the narrow area between the roof and ground was , well, Biblically-Hollywood. What a great show that was. In fact the crowd was so loud and boisterous that Phil commented on it during his "Donor-Rap." He dug the crowd energy.

To those of us in the northern hemisphere, let's hope for an early beautiful Spring and an end to this Pandemic. Peace to all here.

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2 28 69 FW!

TIME FOR A '69 BOX release.

Not sure what the hold up is....

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On key opening songs I witnessed. Just a few highlights:

In '72-'73, it's all Bertha and Promised Land, depending on whether Jer or Bob started the show
Except, 7-31-73, when they opened with Ramble On Rose

In '76, there's that H>S>F>TMNS, one Sugaree, one Promised Land.

In '77, it's all Bertha and Promised Land again

In '78, there's a Jack Straw, Bertha, Promised Land, and a Mississippi Half Step (all at Red Rocks)

In '79, a Shakedown

In '80, a Jack Straw and an Uncle John's Band (both in Boulder)

Skipping ahead to highlights: 8-13-87, Jer sings Big Boss Man to open a third night at the Rocks. (Man, how did we ever do those three nighters in a row??)

Oh hell, that exercise wasn't that exciting... the openers certainly got the crowd going - esp. Bertha and Promised Land = except in the early days, '72-'73, the mixer used the first song to dial in the sound, so the opener was a bit of a sacrificial lamb as it were. (Witness: the PNW box.) Basically we took Jer's Bertha to mean that he was comin' out ready for action.

Again, feel fortunate to have seen lots of shows with my friends and thousands of friends I had never met before arriving at the show.

I managed to get the out of production Hendrix Box Set Stages on the cheap and in great shape via eBay for $41.64 including shipping and taxes. Pretty good deal! I have not listened to it yet but will check back in . . .. That Songs for Groovy Children box will be next.

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We watched a comedian the other night brian regan i believe

It was recorded at red rocks

I kept visualizing the GD playing there

That must have been FANTASTIC

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Walkin the Dog>Deal in 85

1/2 Step>Road Runner in 86

Big Boss Man in 88

Saw a ton of Shakedown openers from the early to mid 80s.

H>S>F has to be at the top of show openers, if for no other reason than From the Vault 1. HCS might be up there, but the quality on the song was not the same when it reemerged.

I was also at that Rochester show when they started the second set with Green Onions. Other interesting second set openers were Terrapin (85) and Quinn>Dancin (86).

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