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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • billy the kid
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    Anniversary show. 3/19/77

    44 years ago today, I was sitting up in the balcony at Winterland watching the Dead put on a great show. Big fun! Could these 3 shows be the upcoming box set? We shall see.

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    I'll say it again

    The shows/experience and the tapes are two different worlds. And there are worlds within the tapes.

    I caught 'only' about 75 shows, 1972-1992, and stopped going after '87 (3 nights at Rocks, 2 days in Telluride in one week), as I'd been intensely onboard for 15 years, from age 15 to age 30. I caught some big shows:
    Sept '72 (1)
    Summer '73 (6)
    '76-79 (a shit ton)
    every single Rocks show they played

    At least (3) Red Rocks shows actually sucked, based on the high standards set by the band elsewhere (Jersey City '72, RFK '73, Watkins soundcheck, fall '73 Nassau Coliseum (upcoming DP), Capitol Theater '76 & '77, Boston Music Hall '77, Englishtown '77, Rocks '78 & '79, '80s).

    That said, the "average" GD show tended to be a real good time. The best shows changed my life. The worst shows = the price of admission to higher planes sometimes costs more than you originally were willing to pay...

    Then there are the tapes. Some shows that might have seemed a little tame in person become these perfectly executed sets on tape. Or the wildly exuberant performances become the slightly off-the-hook tapes. Or some tapes can be explored repeatedly and reveal new things -- impossible in the moment you're experiencing them in concert.

    Quite the enigma wrapped in a tortilla within a fortune cookie and still amazing after all these years. Now a solid 50 years for me. Sort of a "What in hell just happened" spread over a 20 year period for me. Then another 30 years with the tapes. (Although we had obtained tapes when the band was still in pre-hiatus phase.)

    Okay, ready for the Box News!

  • 1stshow70878
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    Weather Report

    Had to use that title. Probably my favorite jazz players.
    Oro: Don't think it was '03 The Dead on The Rocks. That was my last Dead related show. 25th anniversary of my first show and Phil brought up that subject saying,"How many of you were here 25 years ago?", and a huge number said YEAH!! Then he follows with one of his cornier comments, "Whoah, your grandparents must have all our albums!". Wait, we were almost grandparents by then ourselves. It was nice and warm that night, but I guess it could have been cold the next night if there were two shows. It is Colorado. We all carry an extra layer every day of the year. That was the Jimmy Herring version of The Dead. I'm an ABB fan too and LOVED it. Every song had those jazzy intros where you have lots of time to guess what song it is, then they change key and you've guessed wrong. Seems like D. & Co. still do a lot of that. Loved how Jimmy added the ABB sound to so many Dead classics. Shades of when Warren Haynes first played with ABB (also a Red Rocks show for me, maybe '90?) and I got chills hearing Duane speak through Warren's guitar. Oh yeah, we got a Mason's Children that night too! Bonus! Cheers all!

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    Good Day Sunshine!

    DMCVT: sounds idyllic!...cool band, nice vibe..

    PF: 😁 unfortunately I have to use the skip button more and more as years go by on certain songs,...but, then sometimes, still get shown that light...

    NAPPY 😁

    VGUY: NICE! Congrats on the twofer! Any side affects?

    HF: congratulations! Lol

    DOC/Augusta: wasn’t at Augusta, but those were exactly the kind of places we were looking for to freak freely as years blew by and the scene got crazy. Partially why we stopped going as much. Instead of those places they were doing huge blocks at the same big venues in the same big nasty cities etc...

    DENNIS: I think the breaks/timing, and even the set list of 7/4/86 was influenced by the Farm Aid live time slot they had to work with. But yeah it was nice, they played CR&S as it started raining, but the big synchronicity/psychedelic moment I recall was during Fire just as JG was peaking out, aaaaa, and so were we lol, all of a sudden the clouds parted just enough for this little shaft of sunshine to shine on him as if it was a follow spot. Can’t tell so much on the video, but I recall that one fondly, like WHOOOAAAA, “how do they do that” lol.
    Saw many of those over the years, enough to not be just coincidence, though one of my favorites, or the one I remember most lol, was the big storm at 3/30/95. I still think they some what staged it. Yeah there was obviously a big storm, but I recall them kinda waiting around on stage and Robbie Taylor was on the radio, and they were sorta looking out at the top/back of the stadium, so I’m thinking with the weather station they had at outdoor shows, they saw the front coming rapidly, so sent someone out front with a radio and told Robbie when that sucker was just about to hit the stadium and then as if on cue by the gods themselves “Raaaaiiiinn, I feel fine”...pretty fuggin cool!
    Didn’t have the pleasure of seeing the GD at Red Rocks but saw several Dead, Furthur etc shows there, and yeah, that place always has cool weather moments. HF, what was the one, I’m guessing the Dead around 03, 04, where it got all misty (like you could barely see and the lights were awesome etc) and pretty cold and the band rose above the diversity as only they could do! Perhaps some trippy Beatles and/or a that Miles tune they were doing? Maybe it was Phil and friends? Definetly a top weather show for this kid Whatever, cool place that awesome stuff happened at frequently. .

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    gotta hear that Augusta again

    I am currently doing 3/18/71

    and then will do 7/19/74

  • proudfoot
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    how did they do that

    a question I have always wanted to ask any band member...how did they keep their composure during the REALLY intense shows?

    There have been and are and will be times when things are so intense that I crawl out of my skin. They are making things happen...how do they keep it together?

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    Maine out of season is unmistakably a great destination.....

    October 12, 1984, Augusta Maine

    Way down east. Excellent psychedelics. Maybe 20-30 feet back, dead center. No sardine effect, room to breathe and move around.

    OMG how did the Dead do that? We didn't think the Dead were capable of playing like that any more. Second life-changing Dead show (first was Providence in 1974).

    We spent the next 10+ years chasing Augusta. We never caught up to it again.........

    Doc
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    Amazing Lightning...

    How do WE do that, the band asked itself.

    Early '80s at Red Rocks, we're up maybe 20 rows with a full view of Denver as a storm descends on downtown, not us.

    Big flash of lightning in the distance while the band jammed away, oblivious. Crowd collectively, audibly, goes oooooh!

    I see Bobby shoot Jerry a look: damn, we're good, aint' we, and the crowd knows it....

    EDIT: Ding, ding, ding: my first triple post! Dang, ain't I good.

  • hendrixfreak
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    Amazing Lightning...

    How do WE do that, the band asked itself.

    Early '80s at Red Rocks, we're up maybe 20 rows with a full view of Denver as a storm descends on downtown, not us.

    Big flash of lightning in the distance while the band jammed away, oblivious. Crowd collectively, audibly, goes oooooh!

    I see Bobby shoot Jerry a look: damn, we're good, aint' we, and the crowd knows it....

  • hendrixfreak
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    Amazing Lightning...

    How do WE do that, the band asked itself.

    Early '80s at Red Rocks, we're up maybe 20 rows with a full view of Denver as a storm descends on downtown, not us.

    Big flash of lightning in the distance while the band jammed away, oblivious. Crowd collectively, audibly, goes oooooh!

    I see Bobby shoot Jerry a look: damn, we're good, aint' we, and the crowd knows it....

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Second night at the Knick June '95. I remember the police sealed off several blocks close to the venue after some orc mischief among the fans the previous night. We figured that's why they closed with I Fought the Law.

The 06/19/76 Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ set list you laid out is incredible! I admit, I don’t follow all the unreleased stuff the way other posters do here, but every once and a while, a set list is laid out that makes you go “Wow!”, and this is one of them.

And KeithFan - I can always find time for the Cars, too. Just a great, fun band, with excellent songs, great hooks, and some totally underrated players (the live “Take What You Want” found on bootlegs from their club tours of the 70s still rattles my speakers. I have one recorded at the El Mocambo in Toronto that just brings joy to all the villagers who hear it!)

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Saturday Night for openers...at UC Davis '82...they came out (Sunday eve show) and Bobby said "Here's one we forgot to do last night"...great show...

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You don't want to know which shows I don't care much for; I would be jettisoned from the group!

Opinions are like buttholes: everyone has one, no one wants to hear them, and they usually stink. :)

And the "problem" with GD shows is that they're like sex and brownies: even when they're the worst you've had they're still pretty damn good.

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I was just wondering if anyone in the Leigh Valley or Philly area get there Dap 37 ?

Thanks!

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Here Comes Sunshine
Eyes Of The World
Not Fade Away
Playin' In The Band

ps. 2/27/81 great show!

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You’re absolutely right, totally missed that. Clung!! (Wooden mallet to the noggin).
Thanks for showing me the light!

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Got my shipping note on 1/26 but no DP37 in my postbox till today.
Anyone else in Europe still waiting?
Stay all safe & healthy
Best wishes from the sunny Isle of Fehmarn
JJ

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Why don't you have UPS pick them back up for final delivery?

Please and thank you!

ps. I heard on the news,
"there are one million packages waiting to be sorted in Philly since Christmas!"

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It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine -- it was a fabulously appropriate choice. For those of you who have not been to PNC Holmdel N.J. amphitheater it is an outdoor venue built into the earth like other similar venues and the sunshine came through from the west brightening a gloomy day while illuminating the band and crowd. It was The Grateful Dead meets a scene from an old Warner Brothers' Hollywood Biblical Epic Movie! Glancing over my shoulder . . .. I searched the horizon for an apparition. . .. Maybe Charlton Heston holding the Ten Commandments?

I was always partial to a Shakedown Street opener. But I also love it anywhere in the line up.

March 1 on Monday, when is it that box coming out?

Peace out.

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I’m with JiminMD, 9/3/88-Let The Good Times Roll opener, but also, that Box of Rain second set opener too!! Plus 2 song encore ending on Ripple.
I spent at least 5 years loving the Cars, just one of many bands in my long string of “current favorites”, way too long to get into here. Starts in ‘64, ends when I die.

From the lips of Frank Zappa:

Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid.

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Hello fellow Dead fans, this is my first time ordering from this site, ordered Dave’s Picks 37 back on 1/29 when it was released and still haven’t received my copy. I contacted customer service and have yet to receive a reply besides the automated email. I have put my tracking number into both UPS and USPS and neither show any updates. I live in eastern KY so I didn’t think it would take this long to get here, and I understand covid and the weather delaying shipping, but can I expect to receive it anytime soon or should I request a refund? I’m a little afraid mine is lost or something haha. Also wondering if I should wait longer for customer service to reply, I sent it back on the 23rd.

It was Easter Sunday 4/7/85, I was literally seeing Easter Bunnies...not on the rail but up pretty close...it’s getting to be time....the lights are still on but Phil comes out and quickly sets up and walks to the mics which weren’t on yet...what’s he saying? “hiyah, hiyah, hiyah kids, can you hear me” ....then seemingly in an instant, ok well maybe a psychedelic instant lol, he bursts into Why Don’t We Do It In The Road! Yeah, it was that kinda show....anyone digs 85 MUST check out this show! Yes JG has a tour “cold” by this point, but so what,....listen to the music play! Best Easter Ever!

EDIT: if I wasn’t a dumb ass I would of caught Day Tripper on 6/25/85, Dooaahhh!

DBL Edit: some other fun/unusual/notables I saw;
- 3/21/86 Road Runner
- 3/27/88 Space>>So What (2nd set)
- 6/30/88 Green Onions (2nd set), Box of Rain opener
- 10/15/88 Space>>One Mo Saturday
- 7/13/94 Truckin’>>New Speedway (2nd set)
- 6/30/85 Rain>>Box of Rain>>Samba in Rain>>LL Rain (2nd set)

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Stillwater’s; not too up on D&C but can attest that most of the Boulder shows were good. Forget which one, but one of the last shows there was excellent, the other decent. I know my cousin spoke highly of the 2 New Years shows from 2019.

I had forgotten that 6-19-76 was in the friggin' '76 box! Just pulled it off the shelf for a re-run, plus dragged out the FW69 discs for this evening's jolt of GD. Got the fresh produce, check. Stout? Check! Jameson? Check! GD collection? Oh boy, it's so large that I can't remember everything that's in it.

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careful with the powder on the bottom...
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Me too!! IceCrmcnKd mentioned it, so I pulled the box out and “Geez!” For the record, I again stand by my “Wow”, what a great set, and it must have blown the roof off the place.

I can hear echos of my dear Mrs “Don’t you have enough Grateful Dead already!?”
The point could be astutely made: Never.

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We were close enough that our sound came from the back line of amps rather than the PA and I was duly impressed with the actual crackling and slight buzzing that came off even these top pro's amps, and the vocals from the side monitors/PA speakers blended real well. Also, when you're close, as most of you know, you get to see the little looks between players while the music is going, solos are traded off, and then the off-mic banter. I was two months shy of my 19th birthday and had already racked up seven GD shows in '72-'73 and starved all of 1974 and '75. So we were ready with a little tootskie and the requisite produce. About 5-6 of us had adjacent seats. I just looked it up: Jer was only 34 years old. Bobby was 29.

Ya know, I'm Hendrixfreak, right? But too young to have seen him in concert; just never had the opportunity really. (I was already Hendrixfreak in '69, then he passed away a month after my 13th b-day and I didn't start going to shows until spring 1971. (Wow, that makes this spring 50 freakin' years in the trenches of live music!) But I feel profoundly fortunate to have caught the GD in concert maybe 75 times between 1972 and 1992. Plus innumerable Jer solo shows.

Oro, as you probably know, when you harvest fresh produce -- especially Indica -- you end up with sticky stuff on your clippers. Carve that off, let it dry, pop it into the bowl and BAM! Free transport to Amsterdam or Kabul, preferably the former..... And, yes, I've got a plan for at least one disc of FW69 with my modest piece of fresh sheesh!

Peace to all!

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...never a good idea, and I’m wasting time/bored. @ Show Openers;

14 Buckets
13 Touch’s
12 Strangers
8 Shakedowns
8 LTGTR
8 Alabama’s
7 Jack Straws
6 1/2 Steps
5 Iko’s
4 Berthas
3 Midnight Hours
3 Dancin’s
3 H/S/F
3 Cold R&S
2 Picasso Moons
2 GSET
1 Road Runner
1 Do It In the road
1 Foolish Heart
1 Music Never
1 Gimme Some Lovin’
1 Box Of Rain
1 Minglewood
1 Promised Land @ my first show.

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Alligator
Schoolgirl
China>Rider
Hard To Handle
Doing That Rag

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"It was a rainy, misty and gloomy day but just before the band takes the stage. . .. The sun began to burn through the clouds and Furthur opened with Here Comes Sunshine "

Same thing happened at Giants 6/6/1993.

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That must of been sweet!
Unfortunately never saw that one : (

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If you see this, please pm me.................

Now that I have your obviously undivided attention, gentle reminder now that we have a little breather between Port Chester and March 3. Anybody with a hankering for some new 71s, I might be able to help you out. And if anybody needs some light reading, "The 1971 Project" is available upon request. It's probably a continuous work-in-progress, but I'd bet that hendrixfreak or even strider brown might find a nugget or two of interest there......

Thanks for the ABCD list link. So where's 12/1/71 and 12/5/71??????

Rock on rockers!!!

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Eugene 8/21/93, my favorite, super sweet start to a fun show. best Standing on the Moon ever. August '93 polished like a golden bowl in my memory.

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Mississippi 1/2 Step 8
Hell In A Bucket 7
Jack Straw 7
Cold Rain & Snow 6
LTGTR 6
Touch Of Grey 5
Bertha 4
Aiko Aiko 4
Picasso Moon 4
Feel Like A Stranger 4
Help On The Way 2
One More Saturday Night 2
Here Come Sunshine 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
Fun fact. My first 3 shows were Aiko openers.
Was present at the HCS Eugene opener.
I also witnessed 2 Saturday Night openers. I don't recall the second one. Might have been late to the gate. It happens.

China Cat Sunflower 10
Scarlet Begonias 5
Victim Or The Crime 5
Aiko Aiko 4
Samson & Delilah 4
Foolish Heart 3
Here Comes Sunshine 3
Box Of Rain 2
Crazy Fingers 2
Hell In A Bucket 2
Help On The Way 2
Saint Of Circumstance 2
Shakedown Street 2
Truckin' 2
Easy Answers 1
Eyes Of The World 1
Hey Pocky Way 1
If The Shoe Fits 1
Jack Straw 1
Just A Little Light 1
Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds 1
One More Saturday Night 1
Sugar Magnolia 1
I was apparently a China Cat Magnet.
I don't recall the If The Shoe Fits opener. Good on me for that lapse of memory.

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Ladies and gentlemen ‘The Grateful Dead’ Live From Oakland! With maybe their very first live shakedown st. DPs series?!
The Grateful Dead played many Primo Prrformances over their career in Oakland! “Play Ball”!
Batter up! Or does it go the other way around?! Lol . Rock on my brothers and sisters! 😎
🙏❤️💀🌹

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Yo! Rockers!!

Some favorite show openers:
Big River (6-26-74)
Cold Rain & Snow (5-11-78)
Mississippi 1/2 Step (10-28-79)
Jackstraw (3-12-81)
Shakedown (4-26-83)
Music Never Stopped (10-21-83)
Dancin' In The Streets (6-24-84)

I seemed to catch a lot of Berthas, Promised Lands, and Alabama Getaways........

Rock on!

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....I only caught one Alabama Getaway. Better than none. Third song into the second set on 2.12.89. That counts as two in my opinion.
Also caught the last/final Monkey & The Engineer that gig.
Lucky me. Those Forum runs in 89 were electric.

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So I finally received my #37, but unfortunately it doesn’t do me any good as the discs are all faulty, some don’t play at all and the other just constantly skips and pauses. Just wondering if anyone else ran into this kind of bad luck with their discs. I just contacted customer service, hopefully I don’t have to wait a really long time to finally listen to this show, but that seems to be the way with my past experiences.

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This customer service is completely SHIT. I live 30 minutes drive from where all the Dave’s are shipped from Carlsbad, CA. I have a subscription. An order confirmation... and right now, no shipping notice, no nothing. No phone number to call or rep to speak to, no reply from Dr Rhinos emails. NOTHING. This is completely unsat. I’ve filed a Better Business Bureau complaint.

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To be fair, not my favourite Dead cover by a long chalk. They always seemed a bit constrained by the riff to me...but the one played on 3/25/72, as evidenced on Dicks Picks 30, goes stratospheric. Easily the best version of it they did-that I have heard. Curious that they seemed to drop it after that. I say, without checking to see if they did-I don't remember it featuring on the European tour.

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I may have been at that one but I am not sure. I was there again in 94, and, being a Traffic fan, I left the parking lot scene to go inside at the Giants 94 shows. With the Furthur show at PNC Bank Arts Center, and, it being an open air amphitheater with a circular roof, the way the light broke through the clouds in between the narrow area between the roof and ground was , well, Biblically-Hollywood. What a great show that was. In fact the crowd was so loud and boisterous that Phil commented on it during his "Donor-Rap." He dug the crowd energy.

To those of us in the northern hemisphere, let's hope for an early beautiful Spring and an end to this Pandemic. Peace to all here.

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2 28 69 FW!

TIME FOR A '69 BOX release.

Not sure what the hold up is....

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On key opening songs I witnessed. Just a few highlights:

In '72-'73, it's all Bertha and Promised Land, depending on whether Jer or Bob started the show
Except, 7-31-73, when they opened with Ramble On Rose

In '76, there's that H>S>F>TMNS, one Sugaree, one Promised Land.

In '77, it's all Bertha and Promised Land again

In '78, there's a Jack Straw, Bertha, Promised Land, and a Mississippi Half Step (all at Red Rocks)

In '79, a Shakedown

In '80, a Jack Straw and an Uncle John's Band (both in Boulder)

Skipping ahead to highlights: 8-13-87, Jer sings Big Boss Man to open a third night at the Rocks. (Man, how did we ever do those three nighters in a row??)

Oh hell, that exercise wasn't that exciting... the openers certainly got the crowd going - esp. Bertha and Promised Land = except in the early days, '72-'73, the mixer used the first song to dial in the sound, so the opener was a bit of a sacrificial lamb as it were. (Witness: the PNW box.) Basically we took Jer's Bertha to mean that he was comin' out ready for action.

Again, feel fortunate to have seen lots of shows with my friends and thousands of friends I had never met before arriving at the show.

I managed to get the out of production Hendrix Box Set Stages on the cheap and in great shape via eBay for $41.64 including shipping and taxes. Pretty good deal! I have not listened to it yet but will check back in . . .. That Songs for Groovy Children box will be next.

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We watched a comedian the other night brian regan i believe

It was recorded at red rocks

I kept visualizing the GD playing there

That must have been FANTASTIC

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Walkin the Dog>Deal in 85

1/2 Step>Road Runner in 86

Big Boss Man in 88

Saw a ton of Shakedown openers from the early to mid 80s.

H>S>F has to be at the top of show openers, if for no other reason than From the Vault 1. HCS might be up there, but the quality on the song was not the same when it reemerged.

I was also at that Rochester show when they started the second set with Green Onions. Other interesting second set openers were Terrapin (85) and Quinn>Dancin (86).

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