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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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    The two albums where Mick Taylor really shines for me, are the Keith lite Goats Head Soup and It's Only Rock n' Roll. Superb soloing by Mick T. on Time Waits For No One.

    I like Ron Wood, but he seemed to adopt a kind of court jester role with The Stones which I found a bit tiresome. I do like these archival Stones live releases though - the Taylor years are still the gold standard, but the last two I got-from The Steel Wheels tour 1989 and 1998 in Beunos Aires rock like the proverbial b......Specially the 1998 one.

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    50 years ago today………….

    April 25, 1971
    Fillmore East, New York City, New York

    Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Hard To Handle-Me And Bobby McGee-Cold Rain And Snow-The Rub-Playing In The Band-Friend Of The Devil-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Casey Jones

    Set 2: Morning Dew-Beat It On Down The Line-Next Time You See Me-Bertha-Sugar Magnolia-Second That Emotion-Good Lovin'-Sing Me Back Home-“Spanish jam tuning”-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

    It’s long way from Durham to the Fillmore East. About 480 miles, give or take a little………

    Pinballing through New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, Maine, North Carolina, and finally back once again to New York, you’d think the Dead would be tired by now…………

    On this evening of wonders, they sure don’t sound tired. As so often happened, it appears the Dead upped their game being back in the big apple. They start high, and then soar. The ultra crunchy Hard To Handle. The hyperkinetic Rub. The once-in-71 Friend Of The Devil. The fine China/Rider. The powerful Dew to open the second set. The greasy Good Lovin’. The typically fine NFA suite to close it all out. Maybe not so famous as other shows in this run, but oh so worthy!!

    This is classic Dead!!!

    Rock on!!!

    Doc
    Life is one long process of getting tired

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    Received mine. #38 on the way. I actually forgot the show date other than the '73 part. Would be fun to receive it before the on-sale announcement for the surprise.

  • cmd
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    Just wanted to chime in about my appreciation
    for the Mick Taylor era. As Daverock points out the real
    secret to the Stones true sound was the Jagger/Richard/Watts
    lock-down (Charlie comes in a nano-beat behind Keith).
    That said Mick Taylor played the sweetest leads for their
    material - by far. He was more instrumental in a few
    key songs than most people realize - Moonlight Mile - Keith
    passed out on the studio floor and Jagger, ever the economist
    demanded the sessions proceed and Taylor composed and played
    all guitars, Likewise with Goats Head Soup where he plays bass
    on several of the tracks as well as co-credited for Winter.
    Live by ’73 he was very frustrated with Keith’s erratic
    playing. One night MT was just expected to be the gun slinging
    guitarist while others he had to carry the show cause KR was
    checked out. The final straw came on It’s Only Rock and Roll
    when he and Jagger co-wrote “If You Really Want To Be My
    Friend”, yet when the album came out it was credited to the
    Glimmer Twins. Adios Stones …
    I always loved Ron Wood with the Faces, yet it seemed
    he really dumbed down his act when he joined the Stones.
    His best work was on Some Girls - otherwise he was all mod-rocker
    hairstyle and shades and no substance (probably just what Mick
    & Keith wanted).

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    I chipped in fifty bucks to help make the move happen.
    I've got a pocket full of quarters.

  • Exile On Main St.
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    The Stones are the one band I know as well as the Grateful Dead. Right you are about Beggars and Bleed Daverock. Taylor was not involved much. He started with the Honky Tonk Women single, which for some odd reason they used as a single and went with Country Honk for the Let It Bleed album (certainly my least favorite on the record). Played on Live with Me from that record too.. Taylor contributed substantially to Sticky Fingers through Only Rock and Roll. He One of the reasons he quit was because he was not getting the writing credits he deserved. I was surprised by your comment crow told me, but I guess if you're not a Stone Head you may not know how involved he was in the writing and recording sessions. I am surprised too hear you found his live playing a distraction. His soloing was so smooth. Prime example is Dead Flowers at the Marquee '71 -OMG unbelievable how many notes he played "in time" on such a fast little diddy, and exits right when he needs to for the next verse after improvising a solo that had a proper beginning middle and end. As far as "weaving" the China cat example is cool yes, but not mahatma Keith is talking about. He means chord weaving, where, he'll play one thing and the other guy will fill in something in between (also chord playing) but the key is that they compliment each other's playing. I would emphasize that I do not mean they playing the same thing in a different octave (this is a different technique altogether that is used to fill out guitar sound). Check out Stray Cat Blues live at the Roundhouse 1971. Mick Taylor was so good he alternate modes within a song, he could play a different solo every time, or in some cases (Midnight Rambler) Keith would start a lick and Mick would finish it for several bars. To each his own is my philosophy I just couldn't figure out where the Taylor criticism made sense. I will say this, that one live song I am too keen on his playing is the Brussels Brown Sugar where he picks up the slide and does sound like he's overplaying. But that was the only time I've heard him play slide on Brown Sugar or sound distracting. Overall he was easily the best guitarist the Stones ever had. Brian Jones was easily the best multi-instrumentalist they had, but he added his touches to music that was already written. Taylor actually composed music in the writing phase (and to his credit he played bass on some tracks that Bill Wyman was not in the studio to play on like Tumbling Dice and Happy).

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    Yes, China Cat/Rider features wonderful complimentary guitar playing.

    I agree with what you say about The Stones to some extent. I think Mick Taylor happened to be in the band when they made some of their greatest recordings, without necessarily contributing to them being great. Both Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed were based around Keith Richards playing, with embellishments on some songs by Brian Jones or Mick Taylor. But Keith is the only guitarist, I think, on many tracks on those two albums.

    In many ways, with The Stones, the rhythm is both that, and the lead. The riffs of so many of their songs define the songs -the solos are just the icing on the cake. It doesn't matter to me too much what the soloist is doing on tracks like Jumpin' Jack Flash - its the groove that counts.

    Live, the pulse is what I like most, and that is provided primarily by Keith and Charlie Watts. And again, the soloing is the secondary to the groove.

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    You want to hear "the art of weaving," as Keith Richards sometimes call the two-guitar thing he supposedly loves? Listen to what Garcia and Weir do on pretty much any recording of China Cat. Or pretty much any recording, period. Because Weir is truly the master of being the Other One, playing jazzy chords and single note runs that complement Garcia's genius. And he can do it on the fly, spontaneously responding to whatever musical thoughts cross Jerry's mind.

    If I say that Weir is the most under-rated guitarist in rock, I doubt if anyone here will argue with me. What he does isn't "rhythm guitar." It's more like what a great jazz pianist does.

    The Stones? I mean, I love the Stones, but at least 90% of the time all that's going on with the guitarists is that one guy is playing lead and the other (almost always Keep) is playing "rhythm": ie, playing the same chords or riff over and over while the singer sings or the other guy solos. This was particularly true during the Mick Taylor years: people talk about how great he was for the band, but when I hear live recordings from that era, half the time Taylor's noodling without regard for anything anybody else is doing, and it's just a distraction. The Stones were much more interesting live with Brian Jones OR Ron Wood.

    Keith's a GREAT songwriter, a great RHYTHM guitar player, AND one of the all time GREAT bullshitters.

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    Package last seen in Fontana.
    Hopefully it departs Fontana today and gets Truckin’ on.

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    Morning all! Good news - awoke to find a shipping notice for DaP 38 AND the tracking number works and shows the package was shipped yesterday and departed Fontana around 3 am today.

    So fingers cross we all get these soon. Always need a little ‘73.

    Hope folks are getting access to vaccines and getting prime to see shows again.

    Be well!

    Ps thanks to Doc for the daily write ups on the ‘71 tour.

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Dick 36,,,,, real gone :-(

Left a notify me if it comes available,,,,, ha ha ha

ebay has one,,,, sold 290

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Ive been staying on top of this release! I bought myself one copy! I am blown away by how quick that sold out! Unfortunately to a lot of scalpers im sure. I saw all these websites doing preorders before the actual company that was selling them were actually selling them, and also real gone music had it " sold out" at first glance but it had never been available, idk it all seems like marketing scams, i got myself a copy at listing price, but i had to be on it like a hawk!

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Real Gone did email about Dick's 26 when they found another batch, and I like their 2 per customer limit, and that probably some people did abuse that and will see their order refunded. Just hope you're quick to that email. I missed that second batch of DP26 because I was checking out while riding in the back of a car in the backwoods of Florida, and just as I hit submit (after inputting my CC number one time already and submitting), I lost signal and didn't regain it for several hours at which time I lost it to someone else. I hope you get an email soon, and are able to snag one.

Really love this show, and especially glad they included the massive Folsom Field filler. (The inclusion of which raises the question of whether a potential vinyl version of DP 13 would include the hidden Scarlet Fire from 11/1/79, and whether it would be hidden, because it's 35 minutes, an entire LP!)

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Anyone else not receive their order? I'm a yearly subscriber and never received the cd's. Tried contacting and haven't had any luck.

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I got the email around 1pm but didn’t actually see it until around 6pm.
That’s OK because I had decided that it wasn’t a must have but that I might buy it if it didn’t sell out immediately.

It should have been limit 1.
Clearly resellers cornered the market on this one.
2-28-69 vinyl is still available (I don’t know what the production number was), so we’ll see where the resale price for DP36 vinyl is in several months.
Demand may not be as great as the resellers think.

Also, if you do want vinyl, 6-17-91 is under $75 now.

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....I better pick some winning lottery numbers.
I still have all my vinyl from my 13-24 years old of being alive. There's a lot. I know me too well to dip my body in that again.
I want to visit Europe one day

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I was lucky enough to see Bunny and the Solomonic Reggaestra open for String Cheese Incident's first Red Rocks show in '99 I think. I love old Cheese and was overjoyed at being there for their backyard throwdown, but Bunny crushed it...

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And now, rockers, back to our regularly scheduled programming................

50 years ago today………………

March 3, 1971
Fillmore West, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Casey Jones-Hard To Handle-Playing In The Band-Loser-Me And Bobby McGee-Next Time You See Me-Beat It On Down The Line-Bertha

Set 2: Me And My Uncle-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-King Bee-Greatest Story Ever Told>Johnny B. Goode

Encore: Good Lovin'

The Dead opened and closed March with home town shows, one of which bordered on genius, while the other often fails to inspire. Let the listener decide which is which…….

Even a lesser light shines brightly on occasion, and this is no exception. There could be more grease, the Other One has its moments, and getting a Good Lovin’ encore is always nice. The original commonly circulating soundboard was sonically lacking, but the remasters released late last year are actually fairly listenable. And worth a listen they are, especially if you like the pared down, raw power of the quintet………….

Not a classic, and maybe not even “second tier”, but still…………….

Rock on!

Doc
Where we love is home - home that our feet may leave, but not our hearts……

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I'm hovering on this one-only due to the price. But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again.

As to whether The Dead are best heard on vinyl or cd-that's down to all sorts of factors-not least of which is imagination. And there is nothing wrong with that. I seem play the vinyl I have bought in the last two years or so much, much more than the cds I have bought in the same time frame. Maybe because I have less of it - maybe its a throw back to the 70s. I actually like the fact that the music is separated into 15-20 minute sections per side.

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"But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again."

There, in a nutshell, lies the rationalization by which I've gained the 2021 subscription, presumably the 2021 box (note: without knowing what it'll be), and selections from Dylan, Hendrix, the ABB, The Band.

Send me to the poor house, baby, but at least we rocked!

With nothing but time on my hands, I also have been looking for deals on music. I wish Real Gone Music would reproduce bonus discs too. Not since I lived at home, way back when, have I owned a turntable. I would not even know how to make a wise stereo/Hi Fi turntable system, despite reading an occasional article; but, would love to have one and start buying vinyl. Over the years these vinyl limited releases have come and gone and now reside on eBay for Highway Robbery prices. The phrase "Missed the Boat" comes to mind!

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/68 yahoo

/71 is, like Doc says, not the hottest show ever. But sometimes a piece of chewing gum is ok, even though you want an entire pizza.

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This suggests otherwise to me:

Side H
1. Mexicali Blues
2. Dark Star

Side I
1. Dark Star (cont.)

Side J
1. Morning Dew
2. Beat It On Down the Line

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Winterland October 1974: The Complete Recordings

Multi-track recordings from 74 - the need is real, the time is right!

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I think this show rocks...

I wold really love a piece of cake!

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DAVEROCK, I had to smile when you mentioned only getting 15-20 minutes per side of a vinyl L.P. I bought vinyl from 1965-2001 or so. But I started buying cds in the mid-'80's. When I finally made the (permanent) switch to cds only, I had about 4,000 L.P.'s and 2,000 45's. I can't believe that I used to get up EVERY 15-20 minutes to flip/change discs. Of course in the 70's I had a stackable turntable(so cool!!). And more than that, as a child, I had mostly 45's, so you're talking about flipping/changing discs every 3-4 minutes. It's hard to believe I did that. And of course, it was normal and therefore, did not seem like an inconvenience at all. I think maybe my one habit that would drive most of my music listening friends crazy is that for the last 10-15 years, I will play a cd ALL THE WAY through front to back. I'm not sure why, other than my OCD, but if the artist presents it like that, I assume they intended for me to hear it like that. My listening habits would drive most people crazy. But, that's the glory of, that's the story of, love(of music)!!

In case you haven't heard, Music is the Best!! Also, Bird is the Word.

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Not saying I'm gullible or anything..
Hendrixfreak - Dead right. My order is in, and my pockets are empty ( not quite). Much happier that way than if I'd looked and it had sold out.

Mr Ones...maybe that's why we were all so thin in the 70s, all that getting up and down changing records ! I like vinyl during the day, and cds at night/early morning, when I am more likely to drift off into the land of nod. Cd's for background, too. 3/14/90 has been playing while I made my meal, had it, and checked this site. Pretty good this second set sounds, too.

Maybe DaveRock is on to something- a mix of CDs and vinyl in your collection. The two biggest problems I have with vinyl is the cost - no chance you are going to lay out vinyl money to take a flyer on a band you may or may not like, just restrict purchases to Kind of Blue and American Beauty, etc, real desert island picks. The second one is sound, but that’s just me - I don’t have the George Martin/Brian Wilson ear for the nuance of sound, likely due to a life of concerts and music listening, but I always found the sound of CDs (on a decent system) to be great.

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Didn't set out to do this per se but got in a 74 mood and started with the February Winterland run where Jerry debuted the lick. He pulled it out on the first and second nights. That led to other selections from the year featuring the signature lick. The band ended the year as they started it with one on 10-20. All of the 74 Slipknot moments came in the midst of some serious jam material - you dig?

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Man, when I was married, briefly, 20 years ago, my wife wouldn't even go to a Red Rocks show. She referred to the music lovers as "those people."

Fast forward to the past 20 years and, for a while there, I was averaging about 8-10 major shows a year and a few bar and club bands each month. I also noticed that I had to get serious about CD storage...

And, gentlemen, here we are, making light of each other emptying our wallets to search for the sound. Kinda funny.

Vguy -- I'm probably "retired" from the big live shows because someday I'd like to "retire" for real! That said, I'll catch Tedeschi-Trucks at Red Rocks next time they play. In 2024, I'll have been going to Red Rocks for 50 years! So I gotta at least keep up that little habit. And, of course, banging the drum for further releases on this cult-like forum.

Just finished 6-19-76 while working out -- a great way to catch a full disc or so on an every-other-day basis. That early '76 jamming is almost slow-motion in a way, but supremely calculated at the same time.

It's a sunny day in Colorado and as of this Friday, I'm eligible for the vax.

"It's gotta get better in a little while..."

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Yes!

Was just listening to Winterland 2-22-74, the first show of the year. Love Jerry’s many Slipknot teases near the end of that tasty PITB.

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From a reliable source: "May 1977 - The Days Between" Includes: 5/2, 5/6, 5/10, 5/14 & 5/16

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Good call on 5-6. God the fat biking was nice here in WI today. Woo! Springfield '77 box it up with the Capitol! Oh yeah. :-)

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...if you believe it. Long live May '77 The Days Between! Toss up between 5-6 and 5-23-24 for me. That May '77 Dancin'>Frankin's>Comes a Time. Has to be heard to be believed...

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I am easily entertained.

First, that Mystery Science Theater 3000 clip is a gem. Hilarious. As for May 77, The Other, Other One I am stoked that we are getting a pristine box set from a wonderful year that somehow seems to not circulate. Way to go Dave, how did you manage to keep all this so secret. Can't wait for the seaside chat on this one.

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....and they hid them for so long because they were so good?
I'm slow sometimes.
Taking my tie-dyed foil hat off in 3,2....

The pistachio "story," I mean...

But not to worry! The inmates are rattling the cage for an announcement and even Bolo -- or someone with access to Bolo's account (!) -- has arisen from the covid fog to murmur sweet (totally) nothings.

I pray DL throws us a bone before we move on to the garbanzo bean jokes....

Does anyone ever wonder just how good Garcia would have been if he didn't have to push up his glasses just before they slipped off his face twice a minute.

I think he would have been Hendrix good, just sayin'

Rock on folks, be nice to one another.

Edit: Actually, I always thought he was Hendrix good.

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On the other hand, he might have channelled his energy into learning how to throw his guitar in the air, and sometimes catching it ! Maybe he was better as he was..

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Hendrix did what any savvy chitlin' circuit showman would do when he had the chance: show those white Brits a little under-the-radar soul spastics to get the room going. Then ... they expected it. And Jimi regretted that expectation when he had finally seized the spotlight and just wanted to stand there and play great guitar like ... Jerry or Roy Buchanan or Carlos Santana or ... etc.

That's what attracted me, or one of the things that attracted me, to the GD, Roy, et al. No showiness, just the music.

Gawd, all this posting and I feel like a snack. Let's see. Oh, maybe I'll have a few chili-encrusted pistachio nuts... NOT!

Just come out and blow our minds with music, not pyrotechnics.

Circles back to the discussion a few days ago about other acts having to grab the audience’s attention at the beginning.

I never paid attention to John Mayer before he joined D&C, but I wonder if it was an adjustment for him to come out on stage and just play. He did say before that he wasn’t used to not talking to the audience.

I have a bag of Sam’s Club pistachios, they’re pistachio flavor, not chili.
How about wasabi covered pistachios?

And where’s that Box Set announcement, Dave?

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I saw a funny home video of a racoon sneak up to a bowl near a front doors and eat a wasabi pea. Next the racoon was upright on its back legs while furiously brushing his jaw and mouth with both front paws as if to say ew, ew, no, no ,no!

Racoons, oh the irony, have a very Ninja like appearance too.

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Advice requested from seasoned CD orderers. I ordered this CD in late January and a few days later got an email saying congratulations, that my order had shipped, with an order number and a tracking number for UPS. But the tracking number they gave me never corresponded to anything in the UPS system. I emailed CS and they said sorry about that we will re-ship it and send a new tracking number. Then nothing. I tried following up, but nothing. I tried the priority email, and got a canned email saying they were too busy to give me a personalized response.

I'm just worried that if on their end their computer is saying that the order shipped and there is a tracking number to prove it, and there is nothing they can do about it. Covid, baby. And I'm looking at the tracking number that doesn't correspond to anything in the UPS system that this is a Mexican stand-off (can I say that?) that may never get resolved.

Is there any way to get a human that cares about this? any other ideas. If someone were to tell me I wouldn't get it for several months, but I would get it, that would be fine. Thank you for reading.

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This is an entertaining documentary:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=seattle+choir+movie&docid=60800865…
It's about a Central District choir from Seattle, in one interview the manager says "Really, of all the musical talent in the Seattle Central District, this guy (referring to Jimi) is the one who made it. THIS GUY, he was a bum."

This has been a subject flogged to death, but my take.

I think you get a notice saying "shipped", when dead.net processes your order. But, the items still needs to be sent to "ups mail innovations", once the item is there UPS makes a shipping label, then UPS will ship item via some secret routing method that is know only to those who understand logistics. Eventually it will be given to the USPS, who will get it to you the next day. I also think ALL movement thru UPS stops completely on weekends.

So your stuff will get there someday, just not when one thinks a reasonable time has past.

My latest 45 was "shipped" on 2/23,,,,, tracking number is useless. USPS is still waiting for package from UPS.

Finding the same problem with "Merch Mountain". "Shipped" doesn't mean it's been "Shipped",,,,,, just the process has started!

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Thank you. I know this is oft discussed, I just never experienced it before. I will refrain from suggesting how things ought to work. Managing expectations would seem to be the minimum requirement for good customer service. Best, Mark

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It just means that your name and address were entered into the computer program that prints shipping labels. It doesn’t mean that a label was actually printed, or that a printed label as actually attached to a package for shipping. It certainly doesn’t mean that your package actually shipped.

Get the UPS and USPS apps on your phone and enter the tracking number. It will probably say ‘waiting for package’, but at least when UPS gets a hold of the package you will know.
Then a few weeks later USPS might get a hold of the package, and eventually the package might arrive at your house.

Not a well-oiled machine by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, more like a broke down rusted out piece of junk.
But does Rhino/GD care?
Not at all, because they already have your money and have no motivation to send you what you have already paid for.
It’s pretty much a huge scam.
Look at how many people never received a DaP36.

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