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    Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

    The town crier's addendum:

    Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • JimInMD
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    Many Thanks All

    ..and to our good Doctor, I have been pretty good at taking the '71 plunge so far, I had not listened to many of these April shows before. In light of recent glowing praise for this date in GD History, I set the wayback for 4/14/71.

    Also.. as documented in the amateur malingerer's handbook, April 14th is national leave two hours early from work for a fictitious dental emergency day. It's a twofer for fun day, it is written in the stars.

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    Doc, today's -71'er looks pretty interesting. I will take a dive. A second set kickoff with an early Bird Song? Yes please.

    Speaking of Fourteens, lest we not forget the mammoth from Europe '72 that was on this date. Perhaps the most explosive Dark Star of the lot (at least this was my recollection when I did a full E'72 DS Review a few years back). The show is impeccable with many many fine moments:

    https://archive.org/details/gd1972-04-14.sbd.miller.34552.sbeok.flac16

    All these stories about wraaaaaaslin' & GD sharing moments is gold!
    I said pure GOLD, JERRY!

    And Jimmy - fully agree, mine and all of ours should be 'Two-Wall-Of-Sound-Homes'. And maybe a third that is outside in the yard, as a playset for the kids. Monkey bars aka Phil's sky-high scaffolding. Press the 'Phil Bomb' button and the whole set shakes like an earthquake, the goal to hold on kinda like a buckin' bronco.

    Be Well People!
    Sixtus

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    50 years ago today…..

    April 14, 1971
    Davis Gym, Bucknell University, Lewisburg, Pennsylvania

    Set 1: Truckin'-Deal-Me & Bobbie McGee-Next Time You See Me-Bertha-Playing In The Band-Sing Me Back Home-Me & My Uncle-China Cat Sunflower> I Know You Rider-I Second That Emotion-Casey Jones

    Set 2 Bird Song-Sugar Magnolia-Cryptical Envelopment > drums> The Other One > Wharf Rat-Hard to Handle-Not Fade Away> Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad> Not Fade Away> Johnny B. Goode

    “In their penultimate Pennsylvania performance, the Grateful Dead…….”

    A powerful and deep show, wonderfully designed and perfectly executed by the Dead, crackling with energy, a supernova of a show that blows away almost everything else played that month. How did they do it? Did they all drop acid? I’ll even ignore the fact that there are only two Pigpen tunes. The band is on fire, every tune here works, cosmic reflections of all that was good and pure about the Dead’s music that month. Rocking all over the place, with wonderful slices of country, soul and psychedelia, on this night everything the Dead touches turns to gold and pure bliss. Somehow, some way, on April 14 1971, in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania, the Dead played a show for the ages………

    Rock on!!!

    Doc
    Music is truly love itself, the purest, most ethereal language of the emotions, embodying all their changing colors in every variety of shading and nuance…..

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    Re: Inside Hook Wall of Sound Model

    Every basement needs a 1/6th scale, fully functional Wall of Sound. I saw that too.. but it took Sixtus to post it. Good job.

    Scratch that.. you really need two. A 1/6 scale in the basement and a 1/3 scale in the back yard. Like a 2 car garage, we need a 2 Wall of Sound house. ...and just imagine if two or three deadheads lived on the same block.

    Ha.. nice story KF. Way to keep it together under duress. It's good to see highly skilled partiers practicing their craft. I think we all have our burger king cup story to tell.

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    To your point, there was always a shot that a Phillies game was letting out the same night as any during concert season. They certainly didn't plan around it, and it sounds like you're familiar with Philly - the Vet and the Spectrum were right across the street from each other, so coming and going could be a real mess since we we were all pretty much driving the same direction. That led to a lot of post-show balloons while waiting for the lots to clear out (that was my excuse anyway). Will never forget grabbing a day-of ticket to the Stones on the Bridges to Babylon Tour. Baloons and beer before tailgating with some new friends, great seat for the show next to the stranger guy who sold his ticket to me over the internet (his buddy bailed last minute and he had an extra ticket and extra joints). Great show, but I only recall Crazy Mama. More balloons in the parking lot after the show, and the a long wait in the line for the bridge. And then the queasy feeling. And then the realization that the stop and go traffic was due to a cop directing cars onto the Walt Whitman Bridge. And the awful luck of being first in line when he next raised his hand to gesture cars to stop. The realization that I WAS going to chuck my cookies before it was my turn to go, and that this man was 10 yards from me. I grasped for a half-full Burger King cup in the drink holder and was resigned to spending the night in the tank, but he somehow was looking at the other traffic he was waving in when the time came for me to chuck said cookies. Made a mess of myself but made eye contact when it was my turn and saluted him as I drove by and made my way to the bridge.

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    Wow Sixtus

    What a great box set idea, if there were enough '74 shows left to warrant a box set. Package it in a Wall Of Sound Replica, maybe made out of titanium or at least die-cast metal. Maybe just start remastering all of the old Dick's Picks from '74 that don't sound quite as snappy as, say 30 Trips or Jai-lai (did I get that right?) Or the awesome sounding PNW '74 shows. Just, just a boatload full of those shows in a Wall of Sound box package made out of that new magnesium compound the Chinese developed. And throw in Chicago 7/25 so we have that final Dark Star. Someone get Rhino, Pinkus, and Lemeux on the line; tell them there's business to discuss, by oder of the Peaky Blinders!

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    I wasn't at the Spectrum that year. mmm.. that did jar a memory loose though. I guess it's not that uncommon to have parking lots that share crowds and venues that multi task. ..but a bridge too far, I was not at the spectrum on or near 84 through 87.

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    I read Spectrum, and 1986 Libya bombing, and I can tell you that's what was on the news when my brother, cousin, and I came home home from my first Rush concert, Power Windows Tour, April 14, 1986. That's all I've read of your post so far, but thought it was funny.

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    I’m positive it was the Spectrum and that it was 86 or 87, but not sure which year?
    I’m pretty sure it was 86 partially cause they Played Midnight hour encore that year and it would of been well past midnight...
    It was also sort of a short show which would of made sense. The Dew outta space was the last song and was killer!
    Folks were saying they did the dew ending because the US bombed Libya that night, but I don’t think that’s accurate? According to Wikipedia, that happened earlier...I think it was just because it was so late...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_United_States_bombing_of_Libya

    As we were waiting outside to be let in, I remember folks doing unmentionable things to the Rocky Statue out front lol.
    I vaguely remember the looks on the faces of the wrestling crowd as they exited and had to make their way through the throng of aaaa, “over prepared” lol Dead heads who were getting antsy to say the least!
    I think we were all pretty well behaved and mostly respectful to them...they on the other hand looked startled? Surprised for sure, and many seemed concerned if not out right scarred lol.
    In there defense, it was mostly fathers with their kids etc, so if you weren’t aware of the situation and walked out into that culture shock...well, I’d probably have been concerned too lol...fortunately, like Pig before us onward, we just look scary!
    Anyway, it was yet another fun unusual occurrence care of the GOGD that ill (somewhat ;) always remember, just wish I knew which show for sure. Can’t believe no one else has ever brought that show up or seems to remember? Of course if I could remember who I was with I could ask them lol!

    EDIT: Ha!, who needs McGruff? Lol...finally found some corroborating evidence, it was 86!
    Mind like a melting, dripping, hallucinating steel trap!

    https://www.google.com/search?q=philadelphia+3/24/1986&client=safari&hl…

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    I have this heavy fog memory of Pro Wrestling / Grateful Dead sharing a parking lot or in close proximity or the next night, night before, earlier in the day, over the weekend where stragglers that were too messed up to leave ended up in the GD/Shakedown parking lot or something.. and I am quite sure I made the '86 Hampton run. We are going to have to get to the bottom of that. Bueller?

    I wonder what became of the pro wrestling fans that stuck around and accidentally got dosed. There had to have been one or two or five of them.... what a thought.

    Good memory Oroborous. I can't help but think we bumped into each other at a venue or two. There is good overlap on the shows we saw from that period.

    Listening to that Supplication Jam > Let It Grow from Hampton '86 for the first time, since.. well, 3/21/86. I really love that they brought that back even though sans Lazy Lightning. Juicy.... ..Really good later era stuff. Don't tell this town (band) ain't got no heart...

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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye! Gentle mistresses and most distinguished gentlemen, we have come upon the release of the DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37, from the Fifteenth of April in the year Nineteen Seventy-Eight, at ye olde College Of William & Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia. Cast your waistcoats and your bonnets aside, the Grateful Dead are on steady gallop from the opening high-kick of "Mississippi Half-Step" into a where are we going? where have we been? "Passenger," followed by full-on versions of "Friend Of The Devil," "El Paso," "Brown-Eyed Women," and a double-barreled "Let It Grow>Deal." Catch your breath and straighten out your tricorne because the 2nd set shows no bounds with delightful takes ("Bertha>Good Lovin'," "One More Saturday Night") and introspection ("Candyman," "Playing In The Band"). Then - great fifes and drums - it's 15 minutes of "Rhythm Devils," with band and crew gathered round to amplify the merriment before delivering a rare incantation of "Not Fade Away>Morning Dew" that sets the soul alight. Pure jollification!

The town crier's addendum:

Three bags full! Lest you feel 4/15/78 beginneth and endeth too quickly, we've selected highlights from Civic Arena, Pittsburgh, PA, 4/18/78 to satisfy your fancy.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 37: WILLIAMSBURG, VIRGINIA 4/15/78 was recorded by Betty Cantor-Jackson and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman. It is guaranteed to sell out - often within hours.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Dick 36,,,,, real gone :-(

Left a notify me if it comes available,,,,, ha ha ha

ebay has one,,,, sold 290

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Ive been staying on top of this release! I bought myself one copy! I am blown away by how quick that sold out! Unfortunately to a lot of scalpers im sure. I saw all these websites doing preorders before the actual company that was selling them were actually selling them, and also real gone music had it " sold out" at first glance but it had never been available, idk it all seems like marketing scams, i got myself a copy at listing price, but i had to be on it like a hawk!

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Real Gone did email about Dick's 26 when they found another batch, and I like their 2 per customer limit, and that probably some people did abuse that and will see their order refunded. Just hope you're quick to that email. I missed that second batch of DP26 because I was checking out while riding in the back of a car in the backwoods of Florida, and just as I hit submit (after inputting my CC number one time already and submitting), I lost signal and didn't regain it for several hours at which time I lost it to someone else. I hope you get an email soon, and are able to snag one.

Really love this show, and especially glad they included the massive Folsom Field filler. (The inclusion of which raises the question of whether a potential vinyl version of DP 13 would include the hidden Scarlet Fire from 11/1/79, and whether it would be hidden, because it's 35 minutes, an entire LP!)

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Anyone else not receive their order? I'm a yearly subscriber and never received the cd's. Tried contacting and haven't had any luck.

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I got the email around 1pm but didn’t actually see it until around 6pm.
That’s OK because I had decided that it wasn’t a must have but that I might buy it if it didn’t sell out immediately.

It should have been limit 1.
Clearly resellers cornered the market on this one.
2-28-69 vinyl is still available (I don’t know what the production number was), so we’ll see where the resale price for DP36 vinyl is in several months.
Demand may not be as great as the resellers think.

Also, if you do want vinyl, 6-17-91 is under $75 now.

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....I better pick some winning lottery numbers.
I still have all my vinyl from my 13-24 years old of being alive. There's a lot. I know me too well to dip my body in that again.
I want to visit Europe one day

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I was lucky enough to see Bunny and the Solomonic Reggaestra open for String Cheese Incident's first Red Rocks show in '99 I think. I love old Cheese and was overjoyed at being there for their backyard throwdown, but Bunny crushed it...

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And now, rockers, back to our regularly scheduled programming................

50 years ago today………………

March 3, 1971
Fillmore West, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Casey Jones-Hard To Handle-Playing In The Band-Loser-Me And Bobby McGee-Next Time You See Me-Beat It On Down The Line-Bertha

Set 2: Me And My Uncle-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-King Bee-Greatest Story Ever Told>Johnny B. Goode

Encore: Good Lovin'

The Dead opened and closed March with home town shows, one of which bordered on genius, while the other often fails to inspire. Let the listener decide which is which…….

Even a lesser light shines brightly on occasion, and this is no exception. There could be more grease, the Other One has its moments, and getting a Good Lovin’ encore is always nice. The original commonly circulating soundboard was sonically lacking, but the remasters released late last year are actually fairly listenable. And worth a listen they are, especially if you like the pared down, raw power of the quintet………….

Not a classic, and maybe not even “second tier”, but still…………….

Rock on!

Doc
Where we love is home - home that our feet may leave, but not our hearts……

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I'm hovering on this one-only due to the price. But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again.

As to whether The Dead are best heard on vinyl or cd-that's down to all sorts of factors-not least of which is imagination. And there is nothing wrong with that. I seem play the vinyl I have bought in the last two years or so much, much more than the cds I have bought in the same time frame. Maybe because I have less of it - maybe its a throw back to the 70s. I actually like the fact that the music is separated into 15-20 minute sections per side.

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"But when I think of all the money I've saved in the last year not going to gigs , and going out with friends - even buying newspapers, I think maybe I should treat myself. Again."

There, in a nutshell, lies the rationalization by which I've gained the 2021 subscription, presumably the 2021 box (note: without knowing what it'll be), and selections from Dylan, Hendrix, the ABB, The Band.

Send me to the poor house, baby, but at least we rocked!

With nothing but time on my hands, I also have been looking for deals on music. I wish Real Gone Music would reproduce bonus discs too. Not since I lived at home, way back when, have I owned a turntable. I would not even know how to make a wise stereo/Hi Fi turntable system, despite reading an occasional article; but, would love to have one and start buying vinyl. Over the years these vinyl limited releases have come and gone and now reside on eBay for Highway Robbery prices. The phrase "Missed the Boat" comes to mind!

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/68 yahoo

/71 is, like Doc says, not the hottest show ever. But sometimes a piece of chewing gum is ok, even though you want an entire pizza.

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This suggests otherwise to me:

Side H
1. Mexicali Blues
2. Dark Star

Side I
1. Dark Star (cont.)

Side J
1. Morning Dew
2. Beat It On Down the Line

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Winterland October 1974: The Complete Recordings

Multi-track recordings from 74 - the need is real, the time is right!

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DAVEROCK, I had to smile when you mentioned only getting 15-20 minutes per side of a vinyl L.P. I bought vinyl from 1965-2001 or so. But I started buying cds in the mid-'80's. When I finally made the (permanent) switch to cds only, I had about 4,000 L.P.'s and 2,000 45's. I can't believe that I used to get up EVERY 15-20 minutes to flip/change discs. Of course in the 70's I had a stackable turntable(so cool!!). And more than that, as a child, I had mostly 45's, so you're talking about flipping/changing discs every 3-4 minutes. It's hard to believe I did that. And of course, it was normal and therefore, did not seem like an inconvenience at all. I think maybe my one habit that would drive most of my music listening friends crazy is that for the last 10-15 years, I will play a cd ALL THE WAY through front to back. I'm not sure why, other than my OCD, but if the artist presents it like that, I assume they intended for me to hear it like that. My listening habits would drive most people crazy. But, that's the glory of, that's the story of, love(of music)!!

In case you haven't heard, Music is the Best!! Also, Bird is the Word.

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Not saying I'm gullible or anything..
Hendrixfreak - Dead right. My order is in, and my pockets are empty ( not quite). Much happier that way than if I'd looked and it had sold out.

Mr Ones...maybe that's why we were all so thin in the 70s, all that getting up and down changing records ! I like vinyl during the day, and cds at night/early morning, when I am more likely to drift off into the land of nod. Cd's for background, too. 3/14/90 has been playing while I made my meal, had it, and checked this site. Pretty good this second set sounds, too.

Maybe DaveRock is on to something- a mix of CDs and vinyl in your collection. The two biggest problems I have with vinyl is the cost - no chance you are going to lay out vinyl money to take a flyer on a band you may or may not like, just restrict purchases to Kind of Blue and American Beauty, etc, real desert island picks. The second one is sound, but that’s just me - I don’t have the George Martin/Brian Wilson ear for the nuance of sound, likely due to a life of concerts and music listening, but I always found the sound of CDs (on a decent system) to be great.

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Didn't set out to do this per se but got in a 74 mood and started with the February Winterland run where Jerry debuted the lick. He pulled it out on the first and second nights. That led to other selections from the year featuring the signature lick. The band ended the year as they started it with one on 10-20. All of the 74 Slipknot moments came in the midst of some serious jam material - you dig?

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Man, when I was married, briefly, 20 years ago, my wife wouldn't even go to a Red Rocks show. She referred to the music lovers as "those people."

Fast forward to the past 20 years and, for a while there, I was averaging about 8-10 major shows a year and a few bar and club bands each month. I also noticed that I had to get serious about CD storage...

And, gentlemen, here we are, making light of each other emptying our wallets to search for the sound. Kinda funny.

Vguy -- I'm probably "retired" from the big live shows because someday I'd like to "retire" for real! That said, I'll catch Tedeschi-Trucks at Red Rocks next time they play. In 2024, I'll have been going to Red Rocks for 50 years! So I gotta at least keep up that little habit. And, of course, banging the drum for further releases on this cult-like forum.

Just finished 6-19-76 while working out -- a great way to catch a full disc or so on an every-other-day basis. That early '76 jamming is almost slow-motion in a way, but supremely calculated at the same time.

It's a sunny day in Colorado and as of this Friday, I'm eligible for the vax.

"It's gotta get better in a little while..."

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Yes!

Was just listening to Winterland 2-22-74, the first show of the year. Love Jerry’s many Slipknot teases near the end of that tasty PITB.

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From a reliable source: "May 1977 - The Days Between" Includes: 5/2, 5/6, 5/10, 5/14 & 5/16

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Good call on 5-6. God the fat biking was nice here in WI today. Woo! Springfield '77 box it up with the Capitol! Oh yeah. :-)

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...if you believe it. Long live May '77 The Days Between! Toss up between 5-6 and 5-23-24 for me. That May '77 Dancin'>Frankin's>Comes a Time. Has to be heard to be believed...

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I am easily entertained.

First, that Mystery Science Theater 3000 clip is a gem. Hilarious. As for May 77, The Other, Other One I am stoked that we are getting a pristine box set from a wonderful year that somehow seems to not circulate. Way to go Dave, how did you manage to keep all this so secret. Can't wait for the seaside chat on this one.

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....and they hid them for so long because they were so good?
I'm slow sometimes.
Taking my tie-dyed foil hat off in 3,2....

The pistachio "story," I mean...

But not to worry! The inmates are rattling the cage for an announcement and even Bolo -- or someone with access to Bolo's account (!) -- has arisen from the covid fog to murmur sweet (totally) nothings.

I pray DL throws us a bone before we move on to the garbanzo bean jokes....

Does anyone ever wonder just how good Garcia would have been if he didn't have to push up his glasses just before they slipped off his face twice a minute.

I think he would have been Hendrix good, just sayin'

Rock on folks, be nice to one another.

Edit: Actually, I always thought he was Hendrix good.

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On the other hand, he might have channelled his energy into learning how to throw his guitar in the air, and sometimes catching it ! Maybe he was better as he was..

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Hendrix did what any savvy chitlin' circuit showman would do when he had the chance: show those white Brits a little under-the-radar soul spastics to get the room going. Then ... they expected it. And Jimi regretted that expectation when he had finally seized the spotlight and just wanted to stand there and play great guitar like ... Jerry or Roy Buchanan or Carlos Santana or ... etc.

That's what attracted me, or one of the things that attracted me, to the GD, Roy, et al. No showiness, just the music.

Gawd, all this posting and I feel like a snack. Let's see. Oh, maybe I'll have a few chili-encrusted pistachio nuts... NOT!

Just come out and blow our minds with music, not pyrotechnics.

Circles back to the discussion a few days ago about other acts having to grab the audience’s attention at the beginning.

I never paid attention to John Mayer before he joined D&C, but I wonder if it was an adjustment for him to come out on stage and just play. He did say before that he wasn’t used to not talking to the audience.

I have a bag of Sam’s Club pistachios, they’re pistachio flavor, not chili.
How about wasabi covered pistachios?

And where’s that Box Set announcement, Dave?

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I saw a funny home video of a racoon sneak up to a bowl near a front doors and eat a wasabi pea. Next the racoon was upright on its back legs while furiously brushing his jaw and mouth with both front paws as if to say ew, ew, no, no ,no!

Racoons, oh the irony, have a very Ninja like appearance too.

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Advice requested from seasoned CD orderers. I ordered this CD in late January and a few days later got an email saying congratulations, that my order had shipped, with an order number and a tracking number for UPS. But the tracking number they gave me never corresponded to anything in the UPS system. I emailed CS and they said sorry about that we will re-ship it and send a new tracking number. Then nothing. I tried following up, but nothing. I tried the priority email, and got a canned email saying they were too busy to give me a personalized response.

I'm just worried that if on their end their computer is saying that the order shipped and there is a tracking number to prove it, and there is nothing they can do about it. Covid, baby. And I'm looking at the tracking number that doesn't correspond to anything in the UPS system that this is a Mexican stand-off (can I say that?) that may never get resolved.

Is there any way to get a human that cares about this? any other ideas. If someone were to tell me I wouldn't get it for several months, but I would get it, that would be fine. Thank you for reading.

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This is an entertaining documentary:
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=seattle+choir+movie&docid=60800865…
It's about a Central District choir from Seattle, in one interview the manager says "Really, of all the musical talent in the Seattle Central District, this guy (referring to Jimi) is the one who made it. THIS GUY, he was a bum."

This has been a subject flogged to death, but my take.

I think you get a notice saying "shipped", when dead.net processes your order. But, the items still needs to be sent to "ups mail innovations", once the item is there UPS makes a shipping label, then UPS will ship item via some secret routing method that is know only to those who understand logistics. Eventually it will be given to the USPS, who will get it to you the next day. I also think ALL movement thru UPS stops completely on weekends.

So your stuff will get there someday, just not when one thinks a reasonable time has past.

My latest 45 was "shipped" on 2/23,,,,, tracking number is useless. USPS is still waiting for package from UPS.

Finding the same problem with "Merch Mountain". "Shipped" doesn't mean it's been "Shipped",,,,,, just the process has started!

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Thank you. I know this is oft discussed, I just never experienced it before. I will refrain from suggesting how things ought to work. Managing expectations would seem to be the minimum requirement for good customer service. Best, Mark

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It just means that your name and address were entered into the computer program that prints shipping labels. It doesn’t mean that a label was actually printed, or that a printed label as actually attached to a package for shipping. It certainly doesn’t mean that your package actually shipped.

Get the UPS and USPS apps on your phone and enter the tracking number. It will probably say ‘waiting for package’, but at least when UPS gets a hold of the package you will know.
Then a few weeks later USPS might get a hold of the package, and eventually the package might arrive at your house.

Not a well-oiled machine by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, more like a broke down rusted out piece of junk.
But does Rhino/GD care?
Not at all, because they already have your money and have no motivation to send you what you have already paid for.
It’s pretty much a huge scam.
Look at how many people never received a DaP36.

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