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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • daverock
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    8/13/75 on the radio

    An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.

  • The Good Ole G…
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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

  • DeadVikes
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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

  • JimInMD
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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

  • Cousins Of The…
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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

  • Gollum
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    in the queue...

  • JimInMD
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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

  • bolo24
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    ...On behalf of the group"

    Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

    Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

  • DeadVikes
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    Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

    I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
    I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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12/15/72

I have been tripping around the early to mid-80s a LOT recently. Warfield, Radio City, summer 82, spring 82, 80, 81, even some 79, BCT 86 (4/22/86 China Rider....yowzah!)

it is time to wander into GD72 again

other CDs for today:
Trout Mask Replica
Zappa SUaPlay your guitar
Zappa Onstage anymore vol. 1
Acid Mothers Temple
Enya (again, I have my reasons)

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Sounds like a winner to me.

Yes, GOGD, we definitely need some new release news. It has been what, 13 months since last year's box was announced. Let's get it out.

Willie Wonka Jim?

Dead and Co, yes nothing will ever compare to the Dead, but, after one year of this B. S. I know I wouldn't hesitate to go see them if they come anywhere near the upper midwest.

Hang in there all.

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Man, if the shows I saw during this time were like this, I might of made more effort to go to more the last years....
Not a perfectly played show, but the misses weren’t any worse than any other year and there was much to like.
Starting with a good Here Comes Sunshine, one of the few songs I really wanted, but never got, sigh...
Decent Feel Like A Stranger followed by Jackaroe, instead of same o, not to be confused with Same Thing. Decent version but I was never a huge fan of this song no matter if the Dead, The Band, or the ABBs etc...actually the Band did a decent job with it.
Lazy River Road has that infectious quality where it grows on you to where outta nowhere your singing it in your head and trying to remember the words. El Paso: the acoustic helps give it a little freshness so it’s not just Bob playing the same 5 songs ALL the time. New Speedway Boogie was nice if not perfect and another yea for something different!
Ok Promised Land to finish the set. Actually was ripping pretty good and then JG just sorta stops...
Haven’t heard too many Scarlet/Fires lately so that was nice, followed by the whole ridiculously good mid set section kicked off with Playing and including the last DS and some magnificent weirdness that I need to hear much more of!
I Need A Miracle was a bit of a let down just because of the complete vibe change. Sometimes I dig it right outta space but other times it seems to rude for the mood? But JG slides back there with a sweet Stella, then capped off by Maggy/Liberty. Wow, another fine show from 94 that I’d never would have expected etc. Another fine truffle that the finely tuned senses of GOGD has sniffed out for our enjoyment. Good boy, Ruff! (Thanks!)
That’s 2 for 2 boys with the great 90s picks, keep em coming!

ALASKA was truly enjoyable too. All 3 shows were solid with some cool variances and fun unusual song placements.
Jerry was on and Brent still in that nice fresh new stage sonically. Makes you wonder why they didn’t break out DS sooner/more then they did as he certainly would of been up for it?
I think if they had done these shows 9 or 10 years later (when older and more possibly able to fund) I would have gone because I’m sure it was a unusual laid back scene up there. I know nothing about vault tapes, but most of what I heard was good enough to speculate what if? Perhaps an assorted 80 box from different venues?

8/3/82: didn’t get there yet but that’s where I’m going next and then I’ll try to get to 3/9/81. Saw a good show on 3/13 and I had a tape from the 10th I believe so interested in this one as it seems like March 81 is another nice little niche.

Edit; didn’t we do 12/15/72 recently?

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Only thing I don’t like about them is occasionally they plod along at a crawl. Or Bob messes with the tempos too much: slow songs are now fast, and ones that should be fast are now ssssslllooooowwwwww!
Haven’t experienced it much, but occasionally ugghhh. But that’s nit picking as most of the 8? D&C shows I’ve seen were enjoyable and worth the effort. Scary how big they were getting though.
First year in Boulder the place was half empty, by the last year (2019) things were getting too crowded!
It’s crazy that they still keep pullin in more fresh meat!

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Completely agree, they could let it rip more. With Jerry at the helm, they let it shredded it.

Yes, DVikes. Gene Wilder at his best.

if so, I am at the moment

The dangerous kitchen
If it aint't one thing it's another
In the middle of the night when you get home
The bread things are all dry 'n' scratchy
The meat thing
Where the cats ate through the paper
The can things with the sharp little edges
That can cut your fingers when you're not looking
The soft little things on the floor that you step on
They can all be dangerous
Sometimes the milk can hurt you
(If you put it on your cereal
Before you smell the plastic container)
And the stuff in the strainer
Has a mind of its own
So be very careful
In the dangerous kitchen
When the night time has fallen
And the roaches are crawlin'
In the kitchen of danger
You can feel like a stranger
The bananas are black
The got flies in the back
And also the chicken
In the dish with the foil
Where the cream is all clabbered
And the salad is frightful
Your return in the evening
Can be less than delightful
You must walk very careful
You must not lean against it
It can get on you clothing
It can follow you in
As you walk to the bedroom
And you take all your clothes off
While you're sleeping
It crawls off
It gets in your bed
It could get on your face then
It could eat your complexion
You could die from the danger
Of the dangerous kitchen
Who the fuck wants to clean it?
It's disgusting and dirty
The sponge on the drainer
Is stinky and squirty
If you squeeze it when you wipe up
What you get on your hands then
Could un-balance your glands and
Make you blind or whatever
In the dangerous kitchen
At my house tonight

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Broke out Dicks Picks 30. Listened. Then I read wickedpedia and was reminded it’s not the complete 3/25/72. Next thing I did was relisten all the March 72 Academy of Music on to my phone. Halfway through that run of shows. It’s awesome.
The Capitol Theater February 1971 run was a kick ass set of 50th anniversaries.
Relisten has streamlined access to so many incredible Grateful Dead concerts.

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Great poem, thanks Proudfood.

In addition to pickle spears, never mix food with psychedelics unless it involves Jell-O. On a related note, never mix psychedelics with Bill Cosby either.

Rules to live by. Just say no to pickle spears and Jell-O'less food while tripping.

so just getting around to this after throwing it out there in response to a GOGD comment about mid-set Let It Grow(s).

first set is "chock full" of all sorts of goodies. Set II strays off the beaten path into striking and beautiful territory. Shakedown kicks ass. excellent Samson. To Lay Me Down is gorgeous. and, yes, that Let it Grow! He's Gone > Other One out of Space (ca. '73 stuff). edit - i guess there's usually a Trucking sandwiched in there :)

and Stella Blue . . . .

this wasn't an official pick of the day but top shelf early 80s summer tour fun. recommend the chappel matrix, its particularly good Set II - https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1982/08/03?source=93245

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12/15/72 I think it's another Nudie Show :)

We haven't officially done too much December '72 only 12/31/72.

Glad you appreciated that 3/30/94 OB, I was glad to stumble on to that too.
VGuy did you listen to 3/31?
Curious...

I'm on a 90s role I guess.
Stumbled into 3/11/92 today.
It's sounding good!

Need to catch up on the 8/3/82 & the 3/9/81 but... I think I can do that at some point ;)

Strider is off in the Academy of music with his Relisten app ranging the trails.

Where's that Box announcement DeadVikes?

Jim & Proudfoot stay out of the kitchen.

Alright, good stuff you all!

EDIT: BLUECROW - you've sold me. Love the mid-set Let It Grow!

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....Deep. And. Fried.
And no, I didn't listen to 3.31.94. Just glanced over the setlist.

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want some Coffee with that?

Gonna try and catch up on 8/3/82 today and maybe get to 3/9/81 as well.

Started out the day with the GDHour 9/2/68 revisit, cool to hear Pig laying down the tasty organ.
Wonder if this was before or after the "firing"?
I'm assuming it's after, based on both the engagement of Bob & Pig on that show.
But... I can't remember exactly.
I know the "firing" was around October '68.
But not sure when the meeting / discussions occurred.
Kinda want to hear the tape that exists of that meeting, also kinda don't.
The crowd response to St. Stephen on 9/2 always strikes me.
Fairly new song for the band at that time and I wonder how many people in the crowd in Washington had heard it or if they were just responding to it's power.

So 3/11/92 is a good show btw.
Gonna turn on King Bee 3/31/94 and check it out as I'm curious to hear it again.

Jim - I liked your take on Double Drummers in the DaP V37 post, thoughtful write up.

Basically just saying Hi and rambling on about TGOGD.
Morning!

EDIT: King Bee
Pretty Funky! Not quite the Pigpen version, but makes for a good Bob tune, and would've definitely taken this over say: Walkin' Blues, or any of the new songs.
Looks like they only played it 2 times? 12/8/93 & this final one on 3/31/94.
Never dug King Bee when I was a kid, but after hearing & seeing Jerry & Pig playing that tune at the Acid Tests I really began to appreciate it.
Now whenever I see it on a setlist I can't wait to hear it.
Funny how that happens.
Now I'm hooked.
EDIT2: Jerry & Bob give it a good tear on 12/8/93. Couple keepers!
The 90s be rockin' me this week so far.

With the rumor of Nudie Suits I started down the 12/15 rabbit hole last night. SirMick transfer sounds mighty fine so far though the song listings are off by one.

Stumbled on a Internet Archive post from attendee of 2/19/73 that I hadn't seen before. He's a regular there from what I remember.

Poster: duckpond74 Date: May 14, 2014 10:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
I was at the 2-19-73 show at the Amphitheater, and my recollection was they came out for the first set wearing them - and before playing the first tune, they made kind of a big deal of them. I remember Jerry and Bob bantering on about them while showing them off to the crowd a la fashion show antics. They also went on about them at some point during the first set, around either "You Ain't Woman Enough" or one of Bob's cowboy songs - I remember being amused, and the band seemed to be having fun with fancy threads. It felt like a different show when they came out for the second set wearing jeans and t-shirts . . . I have a faint memory of Jerry hanging his embroidered jacket on a chair or mic stand to show it off.

And for those of us still hoping for tapes of the whole night, and trying to remember what all was played, . . . I do remember Billy spending some time playing a big gong as a regal attention-getter, but can't for the life of me remember if it was for a possible "Morning Dew" or "Dark Star", or during the missing part of "the Other One", or even sound check??? If someone has a better memory of what was played that night, please chime in. I also remember being really curious and amused by the people behind us, going back and forth about what was played and when, and checking their notes scribbled in the dark . . . I remember thinking 'what a silly, strange and distracting thing to do' at a show . . . silly me. (https://archive.org/post/1016982/the-nudie-suits).

3/9/81 later.

I forgot about that Nudie show.
Let's make 12/15/72 the POTD today and everybody can catch up or do what they want in true GD fashion ;)

Dig those comments BlueCrow, thanks for sharing. It's amazing to think about them wearing those suits up there on stage. Great picture of Jerry, Bob & Donna from 12/15 with the tie-dye speaker cabinets behind them. Amazing. Love the way the band looked in '72.

Good times!

Glad you survived the Kitchen Proudfoot, and I'll have to look for that recording

Alright, time to go further... into the Nudie!

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not sure if 12/15 is a Nudie show. It's at the Long Beach Arena and is sandwiched between the Nudie Shows in Winterland 12/10-12(?) and 12/31. not that this matters much to my ears.

onward!

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Yeah, I was under the assumption that this photo was from 12/15/72 but can't find any confirmation quickly (love this pic)
https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/jpfbnw/wish_i_had_a_time…

I guess the main reason I thought that was because I used pic for my "album" cover in iTunes.
At the moment I'm totally not sure why or when I did that now that I looked around.
So.... 12/15/72 as a Nudie, not confirmed at all.

Maybe some smart person can confirm date on that photo.
It might also be from Winterland 12/31/72.

Love this stuff.

EDIT - BLUECROW Did they do the Nudie on the 12/10-12/12 run?
This might be a project for Lost Live Dead... if you're out there.
Give us the low down on the Nudie!
BTW LLD You rock, I'm amazed at how much time you've put into researching the GD and it's always fascinating.
Big Fan!!

I did find another picture that appears from to be that same show with Donna in red dated as 2/19/73 so I'd need to do some further research to attribute a specific date to that photo.

Isn't there a group of cats that focus on dating photos?

I've been meaning to look into that.
I wanna check out their work.

Alright, I'll just say this... whoo hoo Grateful Dead!

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They definitely wore Nudies 12/12 per a concert attendee towards end of that same Internet Archive thread.
"Poster: corry Date: May 13, 2014 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the nudie suits
I saw the Grateful Dead at Winterland on December 12, 1972. Jerry, Bob and Phil wore nudie suits, I think Keith may have at least had a Nudie jacket. They did not change clothes. I saw them numerous times afterwards, but I never saw them wear Nudie Suits again. Of course, it was my first Dead show and I thought nothing of it. I figured they always wore such things. It turned out I was wrong, but well, that's life."

I think the really nice color photos with Jerry, Donna in red, and Bob are from 12/12/72. I've seen photos from what is clearly the same show also attributed to New Years '72, 2/19/73, and Nassau 3/19/73. The reason I think 12/12 (or another date in that run) is that Jerry is playing a really distinctive guitar. It's the Erlewine Stratocaster that Garcia played for a handful of shows in fall '72 - note the really big numbers on the neck. Reddit comment: "Made by dan erlewine (he’s the lead personality for the stewmac guitar tips channel) in the early 70’s, it features a rosewood pick guard and the funny number fret markers. Not much else is known about this guitar, and this is really the only show where he used it. Odd, because erlewine states it was a custom build for Garcia himself. Erlewine states here that it was a laminate maple neck, the wood from an “ancient piano”. He himself states it wasn’t the greatest build standard. Saying this, it’s not really a surprise that it never really showed up at any other gigs, as we all know Garcia was pretty particular (for good reason) and the weird design choice was probably why. It had a stop tail piece and a brass nut, very similar to alligator. He asked for $500, and Garcia gave him $900!" https://www.reddit.com/r/gratefuldead/comments/dszksk/dressd_to_the_1_3… I ran into dead links trying to pursue this one further.

Disregard the above as to "this" being the "only" show Jerry played it at. Known shows for Erlewine Stratocaster here - http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2019/08/jerry-garcia-instrument-history-…

per Deadessays 12/12/72 is penultimate known date Jerry played the Erlewine in concert. He played it one last time for part of that great Des Moines show on 5/13/73!!

photos with strong attribution for 2/19/73 show Garcia playing Alligator - https://www.gdao.org/items/show/831582

photos of New Years show seem to show Jerry with Alligator also. Plus, given how high profile the New Year show was, if Jerry played the Erlewine you think that would have been noted.

I came across a version of the Nassau movie that is synched up to audio - the footage is playing in the band. I'll see if I can find the link. Very cool time capsule, fuzzy as it is. You can see Phil really groovin in that Phil way from time to time.

as for 12/15/72 - big time excellent (edit - with some weird tape speed stuff going on in Trucking)

edit - brief video clip of Jerry showing off the Erlewine Strat, shared by Sam Cutler 9/20 on his facebook page (from comments on Deadessays). - https://www.facebook.com/1419240388141325/videos/462957607997895/?hc_re…

I pretty much don't do facebook but Sam's page is very cool. Looks like he just opened a youtube channel last few days!

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Nice Sleuthing BlueCrow!

I like to see that.
Some good info here, I read through it in haste, but will circle back and take it in with some nice music for the soundtrack.
Thinking 12/15/72 ;)

Nice work!

Looking at 11/15/71, Austin. Another stellar Road Trips release, #3.2. Extra credit for the bonus disc 11/14/71.
Let me know if this works for today.

I noticed the Road Trips releases were not Rhino releases. Anybody know why? I know they had the contact with the Dead during that time period and were releasing other shows and box sets during this period.

Let's get some real news on this year's box set. Anybody? Bolo?

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All this talk about nudie suits. I'm looking at the picture and I'm thinking, I'm missing something here. I thought "nudie" suits were coveralls that made you looked nude. Not country western hank williams type jackets!!!!

DUH!

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DV - up the road a year right now as I'm listening to 11/22/72 - I think most folks were here (11/22) not too long ago but I was off in the weeds somewhere. wanted to hear one of the shows with the Erlewine guitar.

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Dennis - intro to wikipedia entry - "Nuta Kotlyarenko (December 15, 1902 – May 9, 1984), known professionally as Nudie Cohn, was an American tailor who designed decorative rhinestone-covered suits, known popularly as "Nudie Suits", and other elaborate outfits for some of the most famous celebrities of his era.[1][2] He also became famous for his outrageous customized automobiles."

more at - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudie_Cohn

your confusion is understandable - it's an "unusual" name

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Sounds like some Texas Dead today.

Those November '72 PITBs... my oh my!

And... that 12/15/72 PITB! That was great, along with that jam out of Truckin' > Dark Star > Morning Dew.
Tasty stuff.
Good show that one, Garcia & Lesh are on FIRE!

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so I'd never taken a look at any of the custom autos he did until now - just want to share this profile of one cause it is so completely over the top and the article has got great photos - https://www.car-revs-daily.com/2015/11/22/1963-pontiac-bonneville-roy-r…

sort of fits in with the Texas theme ;)

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The Garcia Nudie Cost unfortunately burned up in a fire. The story is on internet and how the person obtained the coat, it was lost in a house fire. To bad, nice collectors item.

I had never heard of them either. I have seen pics of Jerry in the jacket though.. Learn something new every day.

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Yea, that is weird.. they signed a ten year deal with Rhino in 2005, I believe FW the Complete Recordings was the last item truly released by GD Merchandising.. the Download Series came out about the same time. The first Road Trips didn't come out until 2007, but you are correct.. the label for the early Road Trips was Grateful Dead. I still suspect Rhino was involved they just hadn't hashed out all the details of the transition and finalized the legalese.

I do remember there being a hold up.. Dicks Picks stopped, digital downloads were not very satisfying.. and then the Road Trips announcement a year and a half later. Also, they did four Road Trips per year except in the final year when we got Road Trips 4.5 from Boston (a good one) so season four had five quarters. So something changed mid stride, there must have been something going on behind the scenes.

The first CD that was officially released under Rhino records was Road Trips Volume 4 Number 2. They talk about it a bit on Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_discography#Road_Trips

It took me some time to find my Road Trips to figure this out, they were not on the usual shelf because they are sort of a different size and shape.. after some digging I found them randomly mixed in with the brown paper bags we use to pack lunches, I can see how you would make that mistake.. Looking through all these, Blair Jackson was much more involved and wrote liner notes. It looks like Scott McDougal did the artwork. Ahh... the priceless bonus discs.

A rough transition and vanishing profits? It was about the same time we saw Blair's Golden Road disappear and a new take on the cover art, an attempt to cut costs??? Anyway, I don't miss the lunch bag cardboard and I welcome (for the most part) complete shows. #ReleaseMore68!

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Jim, don't you keep these under lock and key?

Thanks for the information and checking it out.

I will say for those of you that don't have RT3.2, do yourself a favor and go get it. To my ears, one of the best quality recordings I have ever heard. Rex Jackson knew what he was doing and must have passed it on to Betty.
Oh and the Dark Star, El Paso, Dark Star is fantastic!

Stay well.

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Nice!

Total rookie move, I was so enamored by the Nudie suits, it didn't cross my mind to look at the instruments.
I dig Bob with his suit & an SG.
Sad to hear Jerry's suit burned up.
But def a story here behind the short lived Nudie suits.

How'd that Erlewine guitar sound on 11/22 BlueCrow?

Love that November '72 tour.
And gotta give another shout out to 12/15/72 PITB & Jam out of Truckin' > Dark Star.
If you missed it, def revisit those tunes for a fun trip.
Jerry guitar licks at the beginning of the Jam.. otherworldly.

Alright, I'm lost.
I missed the Texas Dead yesterday.
Found myself listening to 12/15/72 PITB & Dark Star again and reading about Nudie suits & guitar forensics.
Checked out the 8/3/82 which was fun, but I was distracted and mostly paid attention to TLMD & Let It Grow which are worth the trip.

And then stumbled into some more '90s goodness.
This time Set 2 of 3/18/95.
I'd recommend it to 90s fans & doubters.
If only for the Iko, listen to Jer having fun!
If that doesn't bring a smile, well I can't help ya.
But all of Set 2 makes for a good time if you ask me.

If there's a pick for today, I can't tell.
But if not I might seek out the Erlewine guitar sound.

As for RoadTrips, I know I heard Dave talk about the discussion with Rhino to end the Road Trips series and start Dave's Picks. I think it probably was something that was started or in the works before the Rhino partnership / formula was really established. Def sounds like there was opposition from Heads who wanted full shows and the series was not a hit in regards to sales and feedback. Can't say I love the format in comparison to Dave's Picks.
But I will say this.. if they release it, I want it ;)
"If you build it, they will come." - ghost voice

All in all, good stuff you guys, Happy Friday!

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I was eyeballing 3/19/86..

Check out that Visions from 3/18/95 & I'll check out 4/22/86 and we can compare :)
(but you should prob check out all of that Set 2 at some point)

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He writes everything's been returned which was owed

Dig it. Box > Visions of Johanna. That's a hell of an opener.

I'd say Visions & She Belongs To Me are my two favorite Dylan covers by Jer.

It always strikes me when I listen to Visions, that Jer only played it with the GD during the two years he was essentially dying.

That's powerful stuff.

Sure do like this band!

Thanks for the share Proudfoot.

PS - What.. No Box Set news?!?!
But I second big props to all the GD Women!
And Phil's got a Bday coming up :)
Bird noises during Bird Song on 4/22/86 are groovy.

Ya got my eye since I was at this one. The tour I barely remember, veg fest 86....
According to a poster on archive, it’s on YouTube? If so, that’s my entertainment tonight ; )

11/4&15/71: DV, interesting your thoughts on quality for this one? Though I dig much of it, parts sound pretty distorted to me? I’ve noticed similar on E72 shows and perhaps others from this era. Didn’t spend quality time so I’d have to go back etc, but I’m thinking it’s just their actual rigs I,e., they had to push those old Fenders since they weren’t using McIntosh MC 2300 power amps yet on the instruments...so I’m sure part of it is their just playing loud and overdriving their rigs etc, but it could also be tape over saturation too? I remember this one really surprising me though when I first got it.

What else?
The 82 was cool but not mind blowing. Nice solid 82 show though perhaps a tad mellow?
The 3/9/81 seemed a little meh to me? Now I was doing other things but still, usually there are enough things in a good show that will divert my attention...but maybe it was just situational?
Forget where else y’all been poking around? Haven’t messed with those 72s? Guess I’m still burned out on early 70s stuff...meaning burned out on the same old Bob tunes over and over....definitely been editing some of those outta my mix...

3/18/95 looks interesting, same with the night before? But,
Think I might go 6/6/92 just cause nothing else really shaking and I’m trying to (sort of) work my way through post 91 shows that I was at, but maybe haven’t heard, or official releases from the time, that I haven’t got to YET...I’m looking at you Boxilla! Also, have shit to do so this would be a good one for secondary listening...

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3/19/86 OB

Some good jams on this one.
Started up at:
Visions > TMNS
China > Rider, PITB > D> S
and it is working on this Sunny Friday afternoon :)

Sounds like it was fun!

PS - OB Taper's Compendium gives cool review, great story about Truckin'.
Just listened and it gives some fun insight to what you’re hearing:
Guess they were fixin' Bob's mic.
He was acting agro.
Once fixed, he proceeds to forget all the words.
Then at the end… they shred the place down!!
Bring back any memories?

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RT3. 2. Give it another shot Oroborous. The official release is spectacular. I don't hear any distortion. I know Doc will weigh in on this show at some point but we might have to wait until November.

Anyway, when I look at some of my favorite early 70 releases, there is a common theme, Rex Jackson.

Are you still out there Otis? Carlo? Charlie?

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It being the weekend I’m home and have plans to listen to a lot of GOGD.
Currently working my way through 12-19-73% DP1.
This definitely screams for remastering, full on Plangentization/Normanization. Then Box it up with 12-18-73 and a few other shows from December 73.

Next I’ll move on DV’s pick.

Also am thinking of doing 2-28-69 vinyl since I went with digital on the anniversary.

Vguy,
I’m enjoying some YLT too. Been checking out some of the YouTube offerings. Will definitely try to catch them live, hopefully in the not too distant future.

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for me is 3 26 72
Thats a Daves methinks

Also 5 26 95

If any 95 show deserves a release, I say 5 26 95 should be considered
3 18 was a TTATS, methinks again
7 9 because its historical significance

I will get out 7 19 74 and put it in the CD case I keep as an on-deck circle of sorts. It holds 64 plus CDs

thats a big on-deck circle

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I guess I’ll have to do some more research? Worried I might have a batch of stuff I copied around the same time that all sounds funky...no idea how or why?
3/19/86 is on YouTube and not too bad considering...biggest surprise is JGs stage presence etc. He Doesn’t seem to jam as much, but he’s moving around and getting into the music, like more into the song then the playing if that makes sense? He’s big as a house and bloated but otherwise he looks pretty good! Not a chin hang in sight ; )
Maybe not great but a good show with a few wobblies. A good outing for a tour opener.
Bobs all full of the piss, he’s loud and proud on the video, including the whole fun Truckin/bad mic cable scene. Unfortunately It only seems vaguely familiar as I’ve seen similar antics, though perhaps never seen him jump to Phil’s mic? Being a roadie, I’m sure I was aware of the situation but I just can’t recall?
So I still don’t recall much, like how I got there or who with lol, though I’m sure I was hanging near the board.
Cool runs (Hampton & Philly); first Visions, First Box return, First Road Runner, First Desolation, and the second of only 6 Hand Jives.

I’ll try and get to 17 but we usually listen to other stuff on the weekends and I actually feel like reading for a change...
ONWARD!