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Brewer and Albany - My (and others') struggles with customer service are well documented on this board recently. Yes, the customer service at dead.net is pathetic, if not insulting. Even IF somebody does respond, you never hear from anybody again. I suggest sending a direct message to "Marye" through this site's messaging center.

There's nothing more maddening than when somebody begs you to buy something (like the incessant emails to buy DaP37 that's already sold out for 7 weeks) , then when you buy something and it doesn't show up, Customer Service doesn't respond (meaningfully) when asked why not. Like "we got your money and we've moved on". Fu@#ing insulting. Deal breaker.

And YES, I'm absolutely gonna keep beating this f_ing drum until my DaP36 shows up. 4 1/2 months and counting.

The fact that you have a limited number that is sold out! It is very important that you take the care to get these delivered safely to there homes.

I hope the 2021 box set will be from 1968 , 1969, 1970, or the complete Oct 1974 Winterland run with audio & video. But it will probably be from 1979/1980 or 1990/1991. I also think a Greek Box set is a possibility, hopefully 1981 will be included, that was my favorite year at the Greek.

I am going out on a limb on this one. Four of the last five box sets since ABCD came to be have been sourced from returned reels, the exception being Giants Stadium.

I know there is a 99.2% chance I am wrong on this.. But I am going with very old multi-tracks. Thinking something they have similar to the Shrine 67 or PNW 68, both were recorded on multi-track. Something we could not see coming because we didn't know much about them. ..wait, I was incorrect. Apparently there is a 99.8% chance I am wrong. I'm still going with it.. old, grungy Grateful Dead, on or before 1970. Final answer.

So I've clearly, if incessantly, staked my claim to fall '72, based on the eras of the last 5-6 boxes and the fact that DL once said that a fall '72 box would happen someday. These are not returned reels, as far as I know.

However, I was perusing the setlists and commentary on the Ark, 4/69 shows in the Taping Compendium, and I thought, huh, that'd make a great little nine disc box. (After others had repeatedly made this request. No originality here.) Was kinda hoping for a 10-disc $100 limit to this year's box for affordability reasons. I.e., it's not the time for another 20-disc set, ala PNW '73-74.

Whatever it be, I predict DL will announce it before 9-8-73/DP 38 drops, meaning within a month from now. And I swear they're gonna release the Wake of the Flood 50th this year, with the Watkins Glen soundcheck. THAT is an original thought.... (Original and so wrong? Lettuce prey...)

I suspect that the Box will be box-shaped.

Sadly, based on the current operating procedures of Rhino, you should expect that your Box could arrive with nothing but packing material in it, or that if it does have CD’s that they will be defective or damaged.
Also included will be a note from Customer Disservice that says “don’t call us, and we won’t call you”. And, “thanks for your money, sucker, you just contributed to Pinkus’ new vacation home”.
“And don’t forget, get on the list”.

I have no interest whatsoever in making any predictions regarding this year's box. That doesn't mean that I don't have preferences. A fall '72 box would be highly appreciated - and seemingly will happen at some time - however what I would really like to see is an Ark box. For me that would tick all the boxes. One thing we can be pretty sure of is that someone somewhere is already busy working on it, whatever it is. Bring it on!

If we don't get a 2nd half '72 box set this year, I would love to have DaP 39 be 7/18/72. This has everything I'm looking for in a '72 set list (even Comes a Time Jimbo :D )

But I'd rather see that show in a 1972 baker's dozen box set with lots of Dark Stars and Bird Songs.

Thank you Thin for the reply. The commiseration helps in its own way. I will keep sending my emails and see if I can find marye through DMs. I know the complaints are probably a drag for the others to read, but as a long-time lurker, I know many of us run into shipping and customer service issues at some point or another. And there really is no other way to get information. Filling out a customer service form once a week, repeating the same plea for information over and over again, and sending it out into the empty void gets kinda' old after a while.

Please carry on, I enjoy all the discussions of music, beer, food, entertainment, etc. from you like-minded folks. Have a great weekend!

In her own words:

“I can’t defend myself very much,” says Godchaux, who sang on hits by Elvis Presley and Neil Diamond before she joined Garcia and Co. “I was a studio singer, never singing off-key. I was used to having headphones and being in a controlled environment.
“Then, all of a sudden, I went to being onstage with the Dead in Winterland,” she continues. “Everything was so loud onstage. And not to mention being inebriated. I can’t defend myself very much, but I can’t blame it all on that.” Godchaux lets out a laugh. “I’ve seen on Facebook people say, ‘Well, they didn’t always sing so great themselves!'”
- Rolling Stone Magazine

PS I happen to like Donna. She was all rock and roll with the Dead.

RFK '73. I'd be tickled with a tri Ark mini.

and he's always smiling

Finally I received my DP last Wednesday - #8826
No taxes as usual but it takes more than 6 weeks this time.
Maybe there are some europeans who are still waiting, hope
your copy may be arrive during next week.
My last five:
DP37 - Disc One
Dylan - 30th anniversary concert (Vinyl)
Rose City Band - first (Vinyl)
Warren Haynes - Jamaica 01/20/20 (w./ Jorma Kaukonen, Jack Cassidy)
Neil Young & CH - Way down in the rust bucket / still have "Don't spoke the horse" on Vinyl
Stay safe
JJ

So many great possibilities. It would be a bit of a bummer if it was another post 1974 set, but if they avoid that pitfall, and ensure that everyone who buys it gets it, then all will be good.
Traffic light question answered first time - I think I'm getting the hang of it !

I just searched for but did not find a tantalizing article I read a year or two ago in which it was revealed that the GD put together highlights from RFK and Watkins Glen '73 for both GD and ABB for a prospective box and ... the project got shelved. Argh! Perhaps that's just as well as this was alleged to have happened perhaps a decade ago. Maybe that was prior to the 'whole show' ethos, I don't know. Certainly the GD's performances on 6-9-73 and 7-28-73 could be chopped a bit (if that's what it takes to get the music out), but not 6-10-73 and 7-27-73. So that's 6-7 hours of GD. As far as I'm concerned, the ABB's performances on 6-9-73 and 7-28-73 should be out in complete form. I couldn't stay for 6-10-73, so I don't know how the ABB fared that afternoon and I simply cannot recall the quality of their soundcheck at the Glen, though we surely enjoyed it.

As for tacking the GD's Glen soundcheck onto the Wake 50th -- AND putting that out this year, only the latter was hinted at by DL, who said they would speed up the anniversaries after the 50th last year of 1970's two masterpieces. I have a soft spot for Wake as I got that album after a summer of hearing the material in concert.

I can only hope that whatever is in the box, it comes in at $200 or less. As for the nasty remarks about MP, DL, Marye, Dr. Rhino, etc., I can understand the frustration with QC and shipping, but personal attacks seem uncalled for.

....I'm been seriously focused on these guys recently. Found this live show from NYC '19. FF to the 54:30 mark for a pretty damn good rendition of Wharf Rat.
I'll take any box btw.
https://youtu.be/YWERhcsHGEs
They also cover The Circle Jerks during the encore.
I miss concerts.

don't bite the hand that feeds

especially MaryE...she has been awesome lo these many years

Being frustrated with not getting your stuff and all...I get that.

I encourage everyone who's having an issue or has had an issue with Dead.net customer service to air your frustrations so the "powers that be" who have hired these people can realize how much this has devolved. While it might make this thread negative and noisy, THE BAND NEEDS TO KNOW THAT ASPECTS OF THIS SITE AND ITS MANAGEMENT ARE BROKEN. Someone is getting paid to run Customer Service, and yet it's non-existent. Maybe if we make some freakin' noise collectively they'll WAKE UP and address the problem? PLEASE quit treating your most loyal and revenue producing fans like crap... please?

I apologize for the negative energy, and agree we should not "bite the hand that feeds". I certainly praise Marye for her help, as she seems like the only one doing her (or someone else's!?) job. I'm not attacking anyone personally. I'm merely trying to 1) get my DaP36, and 2) help the band realize just how dysfunctional Customer Service really is.

But I make no apologies - any who feel "bitten" will hopefully be motivated to fix it, or if they can't fix it perhaps management will address it a higher level. But something's gotta give.

Dear GDM:

Please deliver the goods paid for
and respond to people's requests for help

May I myself stay in the category of "never sang/sung/seng the shipping blues"

420 lb gorilla in the room. It took me a minute to get this. It's got to be Friday somewhere, right? I am in need of transitional moment, it's been a week so off I go.

Be good all.. I have one more chore to do.. but my weekend has already started.

How about “Summertime Blues” courtesy of The Who “Live At Leeds”! Maybe it is the changing temps, but this tune is roiling round my noggin, at Who-level volume!!

No worries. I'm not banging on anyone specifically. I too have had broken discs, unplayable discs, orders lost in the mails -- so I do know it sucks. Frankly, I'm surprised that there hasn't been an official pronouncement that TPTB have heard and understand the QC issues here. That would do a lot of defusing, so I'm mystified why they don't just say "We're working on it, apologies for all the hassles."

I do know that marye is a good egg and has tried to help in the past. Same with Dr. Rhino. Both have interceded for me in the past, so maybe I'm just kneejerk defending my "friends." That would be me, all the way. DL, I think, is strictly at the front-end of the process, though surely it must bother him that delivery of QC'd product sometimes falters. As for Pinkus, he's up there in "production," which I take it is the financial realm. And I'd be surprised if these folks haven't discussed the issues that have played out here. What's the point of building "community" if that community is always pissed off? So I recognize they've got a lot of ruffled feathers to unruffle.

I'm not currently having any product issues, so maybe it's too easy for me to take the high road. And squeaky wheels do get the grease. (Did he say GREASE?!) So no darts thrown or received here. I should probably stay out of it and allow the steam to escape. There's no doubt my judgment and behavior have taken a hit over the past four years, if you get my drift.

Paz.

Edit/PS. In the spirit of JimInMD, I got my first jab today, have got the produce and tequila and a coffee table stacked with great listening, a humming Fender amp and more guitars than I count on both hands, so in about T-minus nothing, I'm embarking on the weekend, awaiting two feet of snow and glad to be alive.

The Who
Blue Cheer

both ROCK!!!

Proudfoot

So right! So loud(er)(est)!

50 years ago today……………..

March 13, 1971
Jenison Field House, Michigan State University, East Lansing, Michigan

Set 1: Truckin'-Me and My Uncle-It Hurts Me Too-Bertha-Me and Bobby McGee-Hard to Handle-Loser

Set 2: Good Lovin'-Casey Jones-Sugar Magnolia-Wharf Rat-Greatest Story Ever Told-Johnny B. Goode-Uncle John's Band

In the lore of the Grateful Dead, March 1971 is a relatively unknown and underappreciated month………..

This published setlist may be incomplete and it seems more likely that rather than Loser, Good Lovin’ may have ended the first set, with Casey Jones opening the second set. Stand alone Wharf Rat would have been rare, but not unheard of. Was there a big jam?

I have never heard, or even heard rumor of, either audience or soundboard recordings of this show. Is it even in the vault? Given the “leaky” nature of the vault over the course of time, it seems that if it were there it would have made it into general circulation……….

A mystery wrapped in an enigma.

Rock on,

Doc
Something unknown is doing we don't know what

What about Eddie Cochran - the man who wrote it ? The first and the best version.
Also T.Rex -it was on the B side of "Ride A White Swan", back in 1970.

Very similar versions in feel, DaveRock - T Rex remains faithful to Cochrane’s original shuffle sound. Both great. But something happened when The Who, in particular, turned things up to 11! And Entwistle’s vocal trade-off with Daltrey are hilarious. A great version, a fantastic album.
Some say THE best live album to come out of the rock era....
Debatable, but definitely among them. Especially considering this board is all about a band that made their bones (pun intended) as one of the great live bands...

I will join you in your request for all to stand up and shout "we are mad as hell and we aren't going to take it anymore".
Don't know if that will help, but I completely relate to your situation and understand your confusion. Why, the greatest band in history mind you, why would they have the worst customer service? Makes no, I repeat, no sense why they can't have say, good if not great customer service.
You would think, after all this, after all the bullshit, after all the years of doing this, they would get it right, but they just can't.
Why? there is an answer, it is an enigma, wrapped in a conundrum, stuffed into a quagmire while being lost in space. They (TPTB) won't give an answer because they don't have to, they've got the goods and they know it and will continue to do this because THEY CAN. As long as they keep the limited release model of distribution and keep selling shows without even telling us what they will be (Dave's subscription) and still selling out the product, they will continue the same policy.
Just keep banging on that drum, maybe one day they will give a shit. It took a year and a half of complaining on this site but they finally sent me my replacements.
To deadnet customer service:
Hey you guys, why don't you respond to Thin's emails and questions and requests, and send him his product? Why is this so hard for you? Have you no shame? no pride in your product? no dignity?

... I concur, the original take cut is the Best Of The Best! For my musical preference & taste!
Primo song as well! Rock on my brothers and sisters & have yourselves a grateful weekend!
Starting my weekend with ‘May 30th 1971 Live Grateful Dead, “Winterland”
* a Past RSD Vinyl release Only! Released in 2012!
‘Primo’ excellent recordings,mastering & pressings
Nothen left to do but Smile Smile smile for this limited Release! 💀🌹
Anyone else a fan of the dead’s performance & this sonic primo audio recordings from Spring 1971 Tour?!

Check your pm's,,,, sent you a link to a picture you will like.

...was recorded on 2/14/70 That Mike.

Somebody else played a pretty damn good show that night as well in New York. Still not sure which show I'd have rather seen. Too bad the Concord wasn't around then so I could have caught both.

Feelin' it, jumped on the wayback machine, heretofore disguised as a lawnmower now located in central MD? Where I grew up, just outside DC, fond memories of massive high school exposure, music all around, saw Jimi play at the Washington Hilton March 1968, he was in DC the year before, at the Ambassador, somehow a classmate Bob Ewan got to be his chauffeur, Bob was fifteen, no license... Bob dropped out to follow Magic Sam, came back as Bobby Radcliff blues master guitarist. Blue Cheer and MC-5 were our antidote to folk rock, love you EmmyLou... outdoor shows at Fort Reno Park, inside dives like Cousin Nicks, nice spots like Childe Harold at Dupont Circle, further on in Georgetown, best head shop in the city, Yonders Wall on M st. Danny Gatton, Roy Buchanan were playing around, Bo Diddly had moved to DC and set up a small studio in his basement on Rhode Island Avenue SE. One month before Woodstock, July 1969 at the Laurel MD pop festival: Buddy Guy, Al Kooper, Jethro Tull, Johnny Winter, Led Zeppelin, Jeff Beck, Ten Years After, Sly and the Family Stone, The Mothers of Invention, Savoy Brown. Nils Lofgren was still in the audiences, not yet playing on stage.

so why not box up best remaining early Dead, catch old timers while we still have vestiges of liquidity?

Eddie cool light tune
Who gave it POWER
BC gave it psychedelic sludge

Thanks for the good words Hendrixfreak - Glad you got jabbed and I hope you enjoy the weekend.

And Doc, I appreciate the running commentary on the "This day in '71" series..... You opened my eyes to early '71 a few years back (and even shared your prolific '71 journal as it stood at the time). Thanks for keeping an under-appreciated era in front of us.

And Hi to JiminMD, Sixtus, , Keithfan, vguy72, icrecreamcnkid, Spacebro, RV3, etc and all the other good folks on this board I used to keep in closer contact with. I hope y'all are well and enjoying the Spring weather and the gradual decline of Covid-life.

Finally, thank you all for not making fun of the fact that in may last post, the first paragraph started with "I apologize...", and the second/final paragraph started with " I make no apologies...". My shrink and I clearly have more work to do...

Great grab, Lebowski99! What a great time for music, and as Doc and so many others have documented, an amazingly creative period for the Dead.
Thin - no need to apologize, you have the patience of a Saint. For all of us that have been caught up in the outer dimensions of Rhino customer disservice, wow, I thought raising kids took patience. You did right to reach out to Marye, she is a great help. Sending good karma your way! 36 is coming your way.

And there ain’t no cure
For the shipping-time Blues!

Ha - very cool ! The rockingest shoes in the galaxy.

I didn't get a shipping notice; it just showed up on my doorstep today. "Hindsight is 2020 limited edition" 216/300. So happy that I finally get to fondle, fetish, and oh yeah, listen to this set!

P.S., Happy 100th birthday to Mad magazine's Al Jaffee!

39 years ago today, I was seeing the Dead up in Reno. What a blast!

I used to get the subscription in the late 70s and it started my love of radio comics and others like carlin, cosby, Dr. Demento and the rest. Mad had a parody game called '3 cornered pitney' which was pretty funny. What's up guys? Long time posting.

50 years ago today………..

March 14, 1971
Camp Randall Field House, University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin

Set 1: Truckin'-Me And My Uncle-It Hurts Me Too-Bertha-Me And Bobby McGee-Hard To Handle-Loser-Good Lovin'

Set 2: Casey Jones-Sugar Magnolia-Wharf Rat-Greatest Story Ever Told>Johnny B. Goode-Uncle John's Band

My friends, March 1971 gets no recognition and this is a show you NEVER hear about, despite the fact that good quality recordings have been around for quite a while. It does seem a bit short, which would not necessarily have been unusual for that time. There’s a decent dose of first set grease, what happened in the second set? And yes, jam fanatics, there’s no big jam, no Other One or Dark Star, Good Lovin’ being the jam tune for the evening. Not classic, maybe not even second tier, but there’s still some nuggets of Dead gold to be mined here…….

The stand-alone Wharf Rat is rare, and heartfelt………………

It’s crunchy good and worth a listen!

Rock on!

Doc
Washington, DC is to lying what Wisconsin is to cheese

I have several framed photos of Jimi at the DC Hilton from those March '68 shows by DC photog John Gossage. I wrote a piece for the international Jimi mag, Univibes, based on multiple eyewitness accounts. Do you recall the "Chicken Man" incident?

Anyhoo, Jimi played Summertime Blues in August '67 at the Saville Theatre in London. The tape is a holy grail, as the maker/holder of the tape let it out, but only after chopping up each song so that it could not be enjoyed. Oh, the pain!

yes it was a blast...too many tales to tell but here's one...when we drove over the Sierras from Reno to Davis our van started stuttering and coughing...we pulled over into a rest area and one of the more mechanically gifted members of our group tried to see what was going on...we clambered out into the falling snow...I made a PBJ sandwich and strolled over to a historical marker plaque at the far end of the parking area...it read "On this spot The Donnner Party..." I looked at my PBJ, shrugged and thought oh well...

The compendium gives it a "ho hum" review, and when i heard it i wasnt amazed. Or was that 3 21 in milwaukee...

3 18 is hot methinks
3 24 is hot
3 20 is hot

I'm only at Truckin' so far , and it sounds like there pulling a 'heavy' load!

Edit: HTH just shifted gears!
Edit2: If you have these on multi track? Pretty please with sugar on top!

Hey!! Rockers!!!

I tip my hat to anybody and everybody out there who actually takes the time to occasionally, intermittently, or even partially check out some of the things I recommend. Thank you!!

Who needs a copy of "The 1971 Project" ? Free to any and all. No shipping, no handling, just lots of factoids and admittedly biased opinions about the great Grateful Dead year 1971!!

Rock and roll on rockers!!

Doc
You are the music while the music lasts...........

Mark me down for it Doc. You have my regular email.
If I had a $50. for all the fifties flyin by I’d have a shoe box full.

Received mine and working my way through it. There's a quiz at the end.. so take your time.

Thanks Doc, very cool and good inspiration to work through the year in sequence. I get a big kick out of the today in '71 GD history trailer you write on shows days too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSnOZy955U Happy birthday Phil, Pride of Cucamonga is such a cool tune!

Ever since you shared many '71 shows a few years ago with everybody, your 'Thesis Year' has been coming into sharper & sharper focus. And the party continues with your latest: "Live Dead '71" manuscript – great read and a great reference. The Appendices are a trip all by themselves. I'm still working on the Quiz. THANK YOU! Onward.

And HAPPY 81st PHIL!!!