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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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May 10, 2022 - 1:50pm

#2221

DeadVikes

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6/21/89

I must have missed this when it was a Shakedown Stream. I will have to go back and find it. Do you still have your recording OB? I think we finally disposed of your VCR maybe five years ago.
Hey, this is a good show and recording. Good first set, Hideaway, Box of Rain! I enjoyed Clearance in the second set especially towards the end with Morning Dew, Lovelight and the Brokedown Palace encore.
May 10, 2022 - 9:29am

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Oroborous

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Lesson for the day my son

Don’t take any wooden nickels…

(OB, Oro, whatevs, just don’t call me late for supper!)

Then,
Play Dead!
6/21/89: I remember watching this on pay per view with my young cousin, sneaking outside to “check the air in the tires” with such a youngin lol.
So FM simulcast watching on the tiny little tv I owned at the time as I wasn’t much into tv in those days, but with Big XR 7 speakers, powered by C 28/MC 2300 combo. I still have the tape I made, which unfortunately had too many of those annoying station IDs at the worst possible times! That and some bad tape flips etc. and I think I dozed off for a couple minutes near the end or something?
I was so bummed, but it did sound awesome!
The show itself I used to feel was sub par comparatively, no offense to anyone. It seemed like Bob was having a hard time getting it together for a while and Clarence to me was a distraction more than a sweetener? Honestly never felt any of these sit in guys added that much. That’s not a knock on the Big man or any of the guests, it’s just hard to play with the dead since their so unique in everyway. So to have to try and get inside with them couldn’t have been easy for “normal” musicians. I do really like CC on that Garcialive release from Popular Creek 89!! Think it was a lot easier for him in that format.

But over the years this show has grown on me, though compared to the rest of that awesome summer tour I still would rank it lower. But hey that’s like comparing an entry level Ferrari to top of the line: it’s still a Ferrari!
I think seeing it again on Shakedown Stream led me to a new understanding, like many shows over the years, so that I have a new perspective about it. So though Ive heard this one a lot, a new Healy/Miller is catalyst enough to give er a spin.
And yes Gary, Shoreline or the garbage heap as it’s know, is a pretty cool venue. Bill Gram of course made sure there was ample ways for you to spend money, so it does sorta have that Shakedown vibe, only inside the venue.
I still liked Cal X better though it was more bare bones and beat up. Something about the whole Cal X layout etc.
But alas, no Frost or Greek for me either : (
So nothing to it but to do it,
Rolling!
May 9, 2022 - 4:35pm

#2223

Gary Farseer

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Dave

Have chimed up that I wish Dave would give the Shoreline Pay-per-view an official release. I have my old VHS tapes of the event. Usually watch the youtube instead ogatesf the tapes. But there is almost an hour of deleted footage. They start off by showing what it was like going thru the gates, and the strict security (yeah right). Maybe BTK could shed some light here as I have never been to Shoreline, huge mistake. Still would have preferred a Frost show. Any way, the area around the amphitheater is large enough to allow for a Shakedown Street within the gates of Shoreline. So there is a lot of footage of people shopping. Think I remember a prankster sitting there playing Deal on a lute during set-break. The Deal to close the first set is still my favorite. I think the next Deal was the Alpine "Down Hill from Here" which was about 2 weeks later. Great contrast between those 2 deals.

Come On Dave, give us a break. Release it. Or maybe meet up at the movies and then release.
May 9, 2022 - 3:19pm

#2224

Gary Farseer

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Oro

Can't wait for Philfercize (if I spelled that right). Have to be on Friday.

Wondering: I see posts from others to OB, I am guessing that is you?

Ahh, OB-wan. Teach Us!

G
May 9, 2022 - 3:08pm

#2225

JimInMD

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6/21 is a good show

There's a decent YouTube also. Good pick DVikes. I will at least be able to hit the highlights
May 9, 2022 - 7:24am

#2226

DeadVikes

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6/21/89

Not sure if we ever hit this one, but it looks interesting. 6/21/89 Shoreline. This was a big pay per view show at the time. Clearance Clemons joined in the second set I believe. New 2021 Miller Pearson Healy is out there

Enjoyed the Egypt release. Yes, Bluecrow that Shakedown is really good. I also really like the Stella Blue. The Truckin is a little funky. Very early Stagger Lee, definitely gets better.
May 8, 2022 - 9:44am

#2227

Oroborous

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Ha

I swear on my dead mamas honor that I was thinking “maybe that was Columbia “ while I was writing that.
Remember, listen to that little third eye voice, it’s often the right one!

I wish I could call my mother, but maybe I’ll just have to spin Ry Cooder since Jesus is on the mainline, perhaps he can tell her how much we miss her!

GARY, the ole JBLs/subwoofer is gonna get a Philfercise workout from 42!
May 8, 2022 - 7:46am

#2228

1stshow70878

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Thinking Of You, Mom

Everyone call your mother, if you're lucky enough to still have her around.
And know she's thinking of you too.
Or at least play some Mothers of Invention.
Or like the corny commercial, buy her a bottle of Crown Royal.
Cheers
My pick is gonna have to be The Mosque vinyl today.
I need the workout, getting up to flip or change the record 10 times.
May 7, 2022 - 6:51pm

#2229

JimInMD

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We Are On A Role

Agree with what has been written here these last few days, a few spectacular shows in a row. I was also less familiar with 3/30/90 than I was with 3/28 and 3/29. All three are spectacular, Nassau and the Knickerbocker were two great runs on that tour. Anyway, a testament to how consistently good that tour was from start to finish. The last great tour.

5/6/70 was another classic. Reading through what was on the archives yesterday, it looks like they put together a free concert at MIT to support the national student strike resulting from what happened at Kent State. I think the Bread Truck was Columbia University in 1968, the students were on strike there too, I forget why.. something obscure. Anyway, 5/6 was a great little show, the Morning Dew in particular shined.

Great picks.

As for Egypt, I haven't hit that in a while either. One night, probably 15 years ago or so I put the DVD on when I had people over asking about the Grateful Dead.. probably not the best pick for a bunch of newbies, but I enjoyed it. I think there are many good parts, it suffered a bit from consistency and Keith's piano might have been out of tune??

Anyway, you guys are on a roll.. and little by little I am getting caught up.
May 7, 2022 - 6:07pm

#2230

Gary Farseer

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Had to chime in

Happy Birthday Bill, and thanks so much. To have a drummer be the leader of such a great band is awesome to all of us wanna be drummers.

Yuck Yuck

And happy 50th Simon, spinning Bick 3rd time this spring. Love it. They showed how much strength they had in this show, super troopers indeed!

G

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

3 18 71

When Cumberland started, I found myself saying under my breath, "it's got a Cumberland"

Thanks, guys, for putting that phrase into my brain

RCMH

10 26 80

Soundboard

Yummy

Another anniversary

I’m currently spinning 3-20-91.

Will need to investigate 4-14-72 tonight when the beer is flowing.

My My My My

What a smoker 4/14/72 is!

Holy moly.

Great Pick for a Friday DeadVikes, that hit the spot.

Fun write up of this show in Taper's Compendium, and they transcribed Pig's wrap.

Crushing Caution all week and I'm ready for more.

Dig the memories BlueCrow.
Love those shows that hit you in that archetypal center like PANG!
Then when you hear them again, you can picture that moment every time.
Time Travel!!!

That Brown-Eyed Women gets me like that.
My first GD album WALSTIB from columbia records and tapes club.
11 albums for a penny.
And I'm pretty sure that's all I paid ;)
Changed my life.
Who says you can't get anything for a penny?!?!

What's the haps for today?

4/14/72

Agree GOGD, this one always seem to do something for me. Sweet Dark Star,. Sugar Mag, Good Lovin, Caution, Good Lovin sandwich. Still love the Pig Pen led Big Boss Man.

Looks like Conekid offered up 3/20/91. Sounds like a winner to me.

You should give us a pick for tomorrow GOGD.

Okay, so box next announcement next week?

Stay well out there.

3-20-92

released in the big box 30 trips. Really great show from 92, check it out.

No Box announcement yet

Hope Dave didn’t fall into the water and get eaten by sea otters or an orca when he was recording the Box seaside chat.

Well, if he did, the wheel keeps turning and you can’t slow it down. Hand me the Vault keys, I’ll take over and speed up the releases.

Tomorrow's Pick - 9/16/72

Alright, I'll take a stab at it.
September 16, 1972

A partial SBD portion of this show has been floating around for awhile.
But in Dec 2020 we got a much more complete SBD source.
Delivered from an anonymous person that must've had cool friends.
The first 4 songs are missing (there's an audience if you're jonesing) but the majority of this killer show is now ours to listen too.
Hot Damn!

The mix ain't perfect, but this is some killer stuff worth spending some time with if you ask me.

One of my all time fave versions of Playing In The Band.
And the Dark Star > Brokedown nuff said.

Here's a link to the new source on archive, it's on relisten too look for ANON.
https://www.archive.org/details/gd1972-09-16.150979.sbd.mr.flac2444

I highly recommend listening to the PITB > On when you have some time to take it in Dick Latvala still.
Enjoy!

PS - Bob T picked this one back on 9/16/20 but it was before we had this new source.
Wow, It's a great time to be a Dead Head!

9/16/72

On it tomorrow. Thanks for the pick GOGD.

Speaking of Bob t, it has been a little while.

Boston Music Hall '72

September 16, 1972 show is definitely one of my favorite GD shows.

Due to the fact that not much of the show circulated and that it happened during an amazing peak in GD history, I feel like it's way overlooked. Maybe I'm wrong, but I rarely hear it mentioned.

At the time of the Taper's Compendium Volume 1 only the Dark Star circulated.
But that write up alone would make you seek out the tape.
And they didn't even know about all the other killer stuff on here.
Not sure why I find that so cool.

Super stoked to have the majority of the show now.

It's made appearances during 30 Days of The Dead so it's greatness is known.
But given the chance I try and suggest it.
Like today.

At some point the PITB & Dark Star just permeated my mind and every time I listen they take me somewhere new.

Upon repeated listening it can take you on interstellar journeys.

Plus the Don't Ease rips.

Enjoy!

PS - I know we get a lot of NFA > GDTRFB > NFA in these parts, but be sure and give it a listen for some 1 drummer magic and watch for Jerry's solo in GDTRFB, you'll be glad you did.

The other day...

Doc promoted 3 14 71

I stated i remember the compendium being "whatever" about it

I have been listening while treadmilling

It's another very potent 71, well worth a listen or 20

Thank you for the promotion, Doc

Dark Star fix....

....got any of that nightfall of diamonds?

How about...

NOD, Vguy?

10 16 89

9/16/72

Thanks for the pick on this one GOGD. This is a huge show. Just love the Bird Song from this era. Can't remember too many shows with Stella Blue and Morning Dew. Would love an official release of this show.

Am I hearing Nightfall or Diamonds for today?

Stella Obscura

Definitely a monster show!

Glad you dug it DeadVikes.

Not sure the tapes that exist will meet the criteria of official release, so having a majority of this show via SBD is a real treat.

I love it.

Alright, sounds like some October 1989 Dead to start the week.

Happy Monday you all!

Shoot Chip...

Guess I’m gonna have to try and replay 9/16/72?
Besides the Dark Star, which I loved, I was kinda nonplussed by this one...though the Relisten app wouldn’t let me play some tunes, including PITB and Dew. Threw on the Dark Star sequence from 4/8/72 after which seemed like quite the difference? Energy/performance (obviously the sound) As I say, guess I’ll have to give another try....
Perhaps I was subliminally comparing to DiP 36 and 11 which are top favs, same as I do with DiP 23? I like it, but not as much as it’s 2 neighbors....if that makes sense?
Man I’m so far behind.....perhaps I’ll try to ketchup and skip 10/16/89 just cause that’s a big go to...Personally I think it’s one of the best releases they’ve given us; good show, cool sets/songs, good playing and GREAT sound! But I listen to it fairly often so no biggy if I skip it now...
Mañana I hope to have time for a big day...
Oh, did check out through Estimated from 3/20/86 on YouTube Friday night. Meh, didn’t dig it as much as the previous night, though the Box o Rain was cool and did fire a few old synapses, but I still have no clue who I went with etc...
Going to try and inch my way through dead dreams to another land and perhaps hit a show or so a week till I get through all six of my nights on that tour.
But Maybe I’ll try and sneak in that 3/31/86 y’all liked today?
So much Dead, so little time ; )

Sleeper

OB - Not sure why I like 9/16/72 so much, and I think it is kind of a sleeper, but it creeps on ya and if it's got ya, it's got ya good, so I recommend doing it up at just the right time when you can really grok it.

In the meantime, 3/31/86 is super fun, you should hit it.

ConeKidd - I did manage to get in that 3/20/91 yesterday and dug it.

But yeah like you say, so much Dead!
That's my kinda problem :)

a long time ago

3/31/86 on cassette

I was lysergic

and the jam after GDTRFB was spectacular

glorious memories

right now 12/4/79 is playing

the China Rider sounds sooooo good

9/16/72: it's been a while
my memory sez it's hot

I'm doing Nightfall....

....even though, I think this was a POTDWD prior. Boomerang action.
Don't mind if I do!
Cue Picasso.

NoD today

feel like a straaaanger

now it's my turn:

What is POTDWD?

Steal Your Face

Right OFF your head!

That's what happened to me to a T.
34 years ago tonight at the ol Hampton Coliseum.

Jerry was on FIRE.. smiling and moving and shredding.
That place had more electricity than anywhere I'd ever been, and we took that spaceship for a ride.
GA Floor about 10th row.
Never Had Such A Good Time!!
Woot 3/23/87 :)

POTDWD = Pick Of The Day We Done?

Pick of the day with discussion....

....c'mon guys.

Doh!

Missed the "with Discussion"!

Speaking of discussion, I noticed some new Merch on the Dead Store, anybody wanna bet we get an announcement this week?!?!

Let's talk about that WD

GOGD

I sure hope we are not done, this has been a blast. Some days there are several picks thrown out, so it might be hard to follow.

What new merchandise are you seeing?

I will take that bet. I don't think there will be an announcement this week. What is the wager? Signed sealed copy of Dave's #1?

Skeleton Hearts?

It may be old merch from Feb... But I just noticed it.

So I could be wrong.

But... I'll bet that if we don't hear anything this week, I'll give you a copy of the 1970 Trans Continental Festival Express material compilation that I put together. With essentially everything that circulates so far. Which is awesome IMO, BTW.

If we do hear something.. what do I get?

GOGD

Wow, that sounds wild.

Shoot, I don't know. Is there anything you don't have?

Any missing bonus CDs from past releases?

Lossless

I'm working on having everything... mwah hahahahaha!!!

But yeah, there's a few things that I have Mp3 versions of that I want to get a lossless backup for and I'm quite certain we could work out a trade.

You can never get it all.. but it sure is fun trying!!!!

And yeah, the Festival Express comp is killer :)

I saw...

POT DWD
not
POTD WD

POTD...I get that

aging...

I got hit with a wave of sick last evening, and then today. Ever been in a Teams/Zoom meeting and then have to run to vomit?

WEIRD.

I am all better now, after a two hour nap.

Hey Everybody.... Hey Dr. Nick

Hope everyone is doing well.. Sorry i haven't posted in a while... sort have been trapped between the 3 Feb 74 Winterland shows and the 3 March Winterland 77 shows.. I did get the 9/16/72 Boston show in... Great call.. I'm still going with Bolo's buck and a quarter quote as a sign of April 71 box... Happy anniversary Wall of Sound.. Bob t

GOGD

Perfect, than that will be the wager. I hope you win...

Hey Bob t. Spring 71 you say, okay.

DeadVIkes

Rockin'!

Fun. I'd give it to you either way, but it's fun to have something to do ;)

Let's hope for news.. but it's a win, win situation!!

NoD was released 20 years ago

WHA'????????????

10/16/89

tres bien

Oberon Day

‘‘Twas yesterday and the beer store I frequent had a stack of it on the floor.
Grabbed two cases of 16 oz cans.
Tasted awesome yesterday, having more today.

A home without books is a body without soul......

50 years ago today…………….

March 24, 1971
Winterland, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Greatest Story Ever Told >Johnny B. Goode-Next Time You See Me-Loser-Truckin ->drums ->The Other One-Bertha-Sugar Magnolia-I'm A King Bee-Beat It On Down The Line

Set 2: Casey Jones-Hard To Handle-Playing In The Band-Not Fade Away ->Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad ->Not Fade Away

Encore: Uncle John's Band

The Dead return home after a short tour of the heartland.

Another show that only rarely gets discussed. It’s a powerhouse, at times uneven, but with some really sublime moments, including the jam within Truckin’, The Other One (which takes us to many different places), and Hard To Handle. In many ways, it sounds more akin to the powerhouse material that was to come in April, than to the material previously played in March. Did the Dead crank up their game for their home town crowd? Judging from the reaction of the crowd after the fine Uncle John’s Band encore, this show was very well received at the time………………………….

Rock on!!

Doc
He is happiest, be he king or peasant, who finds peace in his home…….

Re: 3/24

I am in the process of tidying up my digital library. Between the time I built it and now, there have been some upgrades.. plus in my earlier days of digital alchemy, I didn't document the source as well as I could have.. so I am revisiting everything.. show by show and making sure I am listening to the best available, always lossless version.
This time, I and am doing a better job documenting. Many of my '71 shows fall into this category.

So anyway, I am trying to upgrade my sources when appropriate and have everything through April ready to spin. I got an early listen 3/24 last night. I completely with Doc on this show. Knowing that Johnny B. Goode from Skull and Roses was pulled from this show plus a few tunes from the Manhattan Center.. wouldn't multi-track reels from Winterland, The Manhattan Center and the FE shows be in the vault? I'm sure this has come up before.. but you don't seem to hear much chatter about bring more from this run onto disc.

Good Ole GD.. I made the March '87 Hampton run myself. Thanks for bringing this run into focus again.

I think BobT must have gotten lost in the woods for a few days, but good to see his triumphant return. I just got a text from someone commenting on the 6/27/84 Merriweather show. That would make a good pick of the day at some point, plus it's been forever since I listened to that one and the recording is good for the era. One other POTD idea is one of the Manhattan Center shows from April (4/4, 4/5 or 4/6).

Been busy lately both trying to get through '71 on time, keeping up here. I am also finishing a pesky renovation side project.. fun with wood. oh.. and it's spring!! so outdoor listening is slightly more palatable.

It’s gonna be a good year.

At least musically speaking :)

1971 is in the air folks!!

Happy Anniversary release announcement day!
3 more announcements coming at some point, with a heavy year planned (says Dave).

Hot Dog!

DeadVikes does that count as calling it?!? (Let's Trade Brother!!)

Doc & Jim - keep it coming you guys, thanks for keeping the spirit of '71 alive.

And always ready to talk about Hampton '87!!!
Third of 3 happened 34 years ago, anyone who was there during Terrapin, knows what I'm talking about.
If you missed it, check out the Miller Ultra and feel the rush.

Good Stuff

Second that / Manhattan Center

On the anniversary’s. For such amazing three Dead concerts, the venue sure bit the baagwan .

Skull and Roses Anniversary

I don't think this counts as a box announcement, and I was of course bummed that it was not the box.

But certainly, whatever you need GOGD, if I have it, it is yours.

So, Jim, are we looking at 3/24/71 for the pick today?

Hopefully, we hit up some Spring 1990 as well this month at some point.

Conekid, yes, can't wait to get my hands on the 2021 Oberon.

Baagwan

Strider hit us up with the scoop on the Manhattan Center. I wanna hear.

DeadVikes, yeah not quite a Box Announcement.
But.. technically I just said "announcement" ;)
So.. I'll PM ya! - EDIT: PM sent bro
However, sounded like they were just getting this one out of the way so they could lay the next big news on us.

7/2/71 tape that is not in the Vault sounds pretty dang good.

This is fun.

Winterland 3.24.71....

....why not? 7.2.71 looks tasty as well.

I’m Game

This JBG offa Skull Fuck was the tune, combined with cosmic lightning, that elevated my love for the Dead over Zepplin and Hendrix. For awhile it was hard to pick my favorite, but this particular tune, which I’d heard a lot before, but on a sunny day in April 78, the third eye aligned with the cosmos and from then on, there was never any doubt of who my favorite band was. Not sure what it was, or why exactly just then, but something just clicked and I made my friend keep playing it over and over, and that as they say was that....until 8 months later when I FINALLY was able to see then live!....then it became worse lol, and I’ve been driving everyone around me nuts ever since!
So yeah, it’s time to finally hear this show!

How About...

How about 6/27/84, Merriweather Post Pavilion today (or both shows) and we can do one of the April 71's from the Manhattan Center run (4/4 through 4/6), Strider's pick. We might squeeze some interpersonal show scoopage from Strider if we are lucky. If he doesn't get around to picking one by the time that run comes around we can figure something out.

Does that work? I haven't listened to 6/27/84 in more than a decade.. and I was at that one. Not sure if I can conjur up some memories or not.. I have more memory of the night before, but it was not as good as the next night.

Anyway, wanna take that route?

Follow ups...

Ok, upon furthur review 9/16/72 resonated more the second go around. Being able to play PITB and Dew etc, that I couldn’t get to play the first time made a big difference (imagine that ; )...and that Dark Star, man I love those 72 Dark Stars! That was worth the price of admission alone! Still not sure I’d rank this show as high as you GOGD, but it’s definitely a keeper lol...

3/31/86: yowsa! Really dug this one; snappy, fun show, cool set lists and good performance.
Need to dig deeper into 86. Saw 6 in March, and 5 in June but don’t recall much and only have a general “overall” view of the shows....so far this one was great as well as the tour opener on 3/19. 3/20 didn’t seem to stand up as well, even with the big reveal, enjoyable, but didn’t seem to click as much....looking forward to checking out 3/21 if it’s on YouTube...

Fun

3/28/86 s2 is killer, dig the Supplication jam from 3/27/86 too.

So what's the pick today?

I wrote down 3/24/71
But Manhattan Center mentioned and Jim's talking Merriweather 6/27/84

Or is gonna be a mega blow out Wednesday ;)

BTW Love me some 6/30/84 that one is imprinted into my brain.

..Plus

it's got a Cumberland.

6/27/84

Looks cool, I’ll try and squeeze that one in also...
I’ve had some other random ideas that perhaps we could explore before we take the 71 dive again;
- 4/9/82 just cause I haven’t heard it in forever
- 8/21/72: cause it’s got a 72 Dark Star I haven’t heard yet and I’ve only heard the 25th
- 7/7/81: I’m only familiar with the second set which is good, so why not?
- 11/20/78: don’t know anything about this one. It just looks interesting on paper...
- 8/6/82: did we ever do this one? Like the next night and I thought someone mentioned this one, so...

Ive rarely made picks...mostly cause by the time I get up you guys have already listed to half a show lol...
But I tried to go off piste a bit and see if I can stump the panel! Just some ideas, perhaps we could mix some of these into the flow as we go, you and I, while we can...