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April 6, 2020 - 9:47am

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marye

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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May 21, 2020 - 8:33am

#7131

The Good Ole G…

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King Solomon's Marbles > Stronger Than Dirt

What a First Set!!

Can only imagine what it was like to see this band back then, literally :)

That's gotta be up there with greatest ever Set 1.. if there is such a thing
EDIT: Forgot 3/2/69 in my excitement.. so never mind the "greatest ever" language, Great Set 1!
May 21, 2020 - 7:39am

#7132

The Good Ole G…

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I Think We Should Thank United Artist & Mr. Ron Rakow

Sleigh Bells Ring, are you listening?

I can still remember how excited I was when they announced One From The Vault

When I got the 2 CD set (which is next to me and has very small print that I can barely read now, but no "Disc Rot";) and listened to the music contained within it was a revelation:

This show is amazing! And it's complete and sounds incredible! This is how it could be! This could change everything! I could get all the shows sounding like this! They might release like a show a month or something! It's going to be off the hook! How will I afford it all?!?!

1991 the flood gates opened
with a trickle..

pretty cool

PS -
The Sleigh Bells in Slipknot!
The Harmonies in The Music Never Stopped..
Oh Boy!
I love this show:)

Be Well All, got some Fun Listening to do today.
May 21, 2020 - 5:57am

#7133

Dennis

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Make Believe Ballroom

Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.
May 21, 2020 - 3:27am

#7134

bob t

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8/13/75 great choice

This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t
May 21, 2020 - 1:49am

#7135

daverock

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8/13/75 on the radio

An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.
May 20, 2020 - 10:34pm

#7136

The Good Ole G…

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Make Believe Ballroom

Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well
May 20, 2020 - 10:07pm

#7137

DeadVikes

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8/13/75

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??
May 20, 2020 - 9:05pm

#7138

JimInMD

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Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.
May 20, 2020 - 7:48pm

#7139

Oroborous

Joined:
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Re: Deadvikes/net wiring

To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.
May 20, 2020 - 7:42pm

#7140

Cousins Of The…

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8/13/75

Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

GOGD/whistful

I hear ya, It was the same for me only in like 77/78. If they would of played locally I could of been on the Big bus a year earlier...such is life.
(Big bus being after seeing live, versus little bus being stuck listening in my teenage room wishing I could see them live!)
EDIT: Ha, think of poor Dave having to go all the way to Harshford with his Ma! Whatever it takes eh!

6/20/74 Cool show!

Awesome “sequence”, interesting Slipknot; JG and Kieth are super tight, but Phil and Bob sit out. Not exactly the kind of song you fake lol.
Sound was all over the place; sometimes great, sometimes things were over saturated...

Ok, who’s up for some extra credit?
How bout 7/7/81? Never have heard the first set, but the second set was a tape fav BITD.

7/7/81

weird

I had the first set on tape, but not the second

5/3/86 plays currently

"justajustajustajusta..."

Bears choice

That bears choice 'Hard to handle' NEVER gets old.

Wha'd Ya Know

Low and behold, my Dave's Picks 36 arrived. Long wait.. I had faith it would plop down on my front porch..,, eventually. Thanks to MaryE for the hand delivery.. I saw the EBike pull away.. pig tails flowing under the swirled, dayglow helmet. She turned to look.. and then was gone. Again, many thanks from all of us for all you do.

#1 of 22,000. My lowest number yet. Now I can finally read the liner notes. Wow.. apparently Dave was at this show, far out.

Congrats Jim

Great news Jim! Finally. Did they throw in some socks for the wait?

#1/22,000, Ha!

6/20/74, good show. Agree OB, the recording is a bit uneven, some parts great, others not as good. Overall B on the sound quality. Seemed kind of a short show for 74. Good pick PF.

Your 81 show for tomorrow OB?
Couldn't make it a two fer today. Hard to keep up with the overachievers.

Okay, so we have a month to go until #38.

No Socks..

Just a coupon for a cup of free hot chocolate.

Edit: I like the socks idea.. colorful, plaid, rainbow or paisley.. I'm all in. Especially the electric kind that blend well with my Birkenstocks.

3/31/80 the other Capitol

The first Feel Like A Stranger 41 years ago today. So let me throw 3/31/80 into the ring for today’s pick.
My one time to the Capitol Theater was 1972(?) to see NRPS. Dr John opened the show. Quite the rowdy audience, ha ha.

Jim & Number 36

Glad to hear.

I like to think that TPTB will always make it right, in time.

At least you got a GREAT number!

.... and free socks? Must be those Balboa socks they always advertise on TV. For every pair you buy, you claim every sock that those socks touch and all the socks that those socks touch.

36, Good Number

Actually, it was 10,393 of 22,000.. which is fine with me.

36 arrival

a good day

if you haven't heard it yet, Desolation Row > Birdsong is really good.

It's gonna get stranger

Far out... dug dusting off 6/20/74.
Ship of Fools sounding so good, man I dig Jerry's voice in '74.
And that Truckin' > Eyes > Slipknot! > China Doll. That's the stuff.
A bit under the radar, especially with all it's towering neighbors.
Speaking of... popped on 6/22/74 Bonus after and that kinda further proves why this 6/20 show might go unnoticed.
Damn!

Alright, you know it's gonna get Stranger huh Strider?

I'm hip for the trip to 3/31/80.

Hot Dog Jim them's some Hot shows in Hartford, love that '87 vibe.

OB I wish I could help with the cartoon.. but you got me.
Not familiar with it, but if you find it, I wanna see it and hear all the deets.

That's all I got.
So let's get on with the show!

I check my memory, I check it quick, oh yes I will

6/16/74: out-of-this-world wood
6/18: solid wood
6/20: nice wood
6/22: good wood
6/23: major wood
6/26: awesome wood
6/28: magnificent wood
6/30: beautiful wood

Couldn't see the forest for the trees

That's a lot of wood.

Wood

Remember kids wood and catheters don't mix!

how bout.....

Woke up with some morning wood today.
Went to pee but the wood would not go away.
Went in the yard and water the plants this way.
When the water past, the wood it went away.

I know, sad humor,,,, if it were good, I'd be selling ice cream!

It’s better than wood...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2C7mNr5WMjA

Woody Harrelson....

....love that guy.

Great Recording

by Rob Eaton on this 3/31/80.

Sounds like this run was fun.

6/16/74 Playin'

one of the all-time greats

3.31.80 Capitol....

....first Stranger!!

Ha

Love the wood analogies. Doing some home carpentry, so timely humor.

I gotta bump up 6/18 a notch though. One of the all time great Eyes of the World>China Doll and the WRS/TOO/It's a sin something..

3/31/80

Decent show, good aud...another off the beaten path notch off the list.

Yeah both

So both of them there shows sound killer today.

Nice suggestions PF & Jim.
I'm in June '74 with the Wall of Sound and it's sunny outside.

And anytime you want to suggest a top 5 PITB, I'll take the bait.

Amazing how much presence Phil had in '74.

Edit: 6/16 & 6/18/74 that is.
(Oil that is! Black Gold, Texas T)

Stranger

One of the great late era songs. I don't think I am alone in saying this tune made sense or had a calming effect on that point in the show where the ceilings and walls become liquid and there is at least a little concern that they might turn to goo and begin dripping down the sides of the coliseum/shed/theatre/area/stadium or wherever the hell you were when the shit really started to hit the fan.

And I love that song for that effect. It's going to be alright, now let's get on with the show.

One more wood

Minglewood

Re: Dr. Proudfoot

Goodness.. as funny as I thought my last comment was, it will surely screw up my future run for Senate. In summary, Dr. Proudfoot, deadnet's most beloved scholar.

My edited post pontificated and expanded the meaning of the word Minglewood. Let's just let that post die a graceful death.

Night all.. this is a family channel after all???

Or is it?

Favorite Minglewods

4/29/71, 5/15/70, 12/30/79, I like a lot of the 1977 versions also.

I'm "goin' down" (wink wink nudge nudge)

to mingle my wood with....uh....

Family shmamily

We are all just twisted old men here

of our own device

I'm "goin' down" (wink wink nudge nudge)

to mingle my wood with....uh....

Family shmamily

We are all just twisted old men here

of our own device

You could almost think

that you're postin' double

Stranger

I always like Stranger for an opener.

Just for the line... you know it's gonna get stranger...

I always label this in my mind as an "Electric" song. Versus China Doll I classify as a "music box" song.

Minglewood

So many great minglewoods. 5/28/77 comes to mind as well as 10/3/87. But there are so many more. Always a rocker. And the version from Ladies and Gentlemen from April 71 lights it up.
Didn't this appear on Shakedown Street. All new minglewood blues.

right there

with Dr. ProudFoot - 6/16 Playing is one of the greatest. love it love it love it. another favorite from that year is the first October night at Winterland, 10/16.

yes like a moth to the psychedelic flame of '74. that Omni show on 6/20 was new to me too, despite looking at the set list for years in my raggedy ass deadbase. listened yesterday and thought whole show was excellent. yep a little short for the year, some tape wobble and speed issues maybe set II. no matter. Trucking and Eyes were the bomb. Something about the Slipknot jam reminded me of a Celtic fiddle tune, which was not something I've ever associated Slipknot before. The China Doll was gorgeous. hopefully any tape issues can be ironed out for a release.

onward

Minglewoods

4/29/71
5/15/70
my first show, first tune: Minglewood.

Just for the sake of arguement

Today marks anniversary of my first show. 4-1-80 - Capitol Theater - Passaic, NJ.

RAH!

Didn't know shit! It was all a blur. It was loud.

Knowing now what I know, I was very lucky to be at that venue, we had great seats on the floor in a small theater.

"A" is for...

Alaska
Alpine
Ark
Avalon

Dennis

Pretty sweet way to start in April of 1980.

41 years ago!

Now if they would just give us a nice 1980 box!

Happy Anniversary Dennis!

That’s one hell of a start!
That should of been our pick...

STRANGER: always loved a good Stranger opener, especially if plugged in ; )
Like a second set song to open.

Jim/Senate

So do you think your taking my seat or VGUYS?
I relish the battle ahead, and a new breed of politics. Let’s start with that time you skipped a show to study for a test
Rrrrraaaaabnnnnnnnntttttt, (buzzer sound like when your wrong on a game show! ; )

Family Shmamly

Hey, I resemble that remark!

Here’s some family entertainment for the kids
https://archive.org/details/gd85-04-07.sbd.sacks.3346.sbeok.shnf/gd85-0…

Dr PF?...

Nah, I picture him more like some weird lab rat assistant in a white coat who likes to test the potions, later, after hours, after everyone else has gone home ; )

6/16/74

Isn’t that my good twin Oroboros first show? Where is that ole rascally rascal? We haven’t heard from him in a couple years! If your out there, hope your doing well amigo!
Perhaps Dr Proudfoot can conjure up some potion and summon him?

Wish Realgone would re-drop this one, one of the few I don’t have. But I do have the Bonus disk thanks to an unbelievably kind person here!! Thanks again Bra! Still can’t believe how generous that was!

BOLO and the four As

Hhhmmmmm??? That would make a sweet box!
3 shows from each historic run....
Or is it another clue?
Or is it a fools errand?
Hmmmmmm???

"A"

Alfred College
Alligator Alley Gymnasium
Aladdin Theater
Academy of Music
Alfond Arena
Alleghany State College

I think Bolo has officially announced the Alphabet Box Series and the end date for vault material releases.

Each year for the 20 (no venues starting with X, Q, Z,...) or so years we will get a box of all releasable shows based on the first letter of the venue, after the alphabet is completely exhausted.. all the worthy shows will have been released, Dave will retire and that's it. This is great news, the "A" box released on October 31st is going to be spectacular.

The down side.. I am going to be old as dust by the time RFK '73 gets released. An alternate box concept is the Everything Box where every show in the vault would be remastered and released as a giant treasure chest. (#StormTheVault #FeeTheReels)

Edit: The final box would be a three show box for Zoo Amphitheatre, 1981, 1982 and 1985.

As for my run for Senate.. My only shot is a devastating scandal followed by resignation.. so long as you two stay away from under age girls while crossing state lines, your seats are safe.

give it a listen sometime.

Gong Bong, anyone?

some people...

Last summer, my son's Prius had its catalytic converter stolen.

three nights ago... my Prius' CC got stolen.

BASTARDS.

If I could get hold of 'em, I'd force feed the thieves brown acid and lock 'em in a room with a non-stop strobe light and nothing but Bobby Goldsboro's greatest hits on repeat.

Luckily, insurance covers all but $100 of the replacement.