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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • The Good Ole G…
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    Good stuff!

    JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

    I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

    Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

    Fun Discussions tonight all.

    Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

    Until then be well

  • DeadVikes
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    Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

    Oroborous, appreciate the information.

    Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

    Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

    Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??

  • JimInMD
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    Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

    Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

    But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

    I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

    Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

    Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

    I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

    Nite all.

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    To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

    First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
    SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
    I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
    By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
    Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
    It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
    The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
    Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
    Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

    So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
    - Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
    - Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
    - Research and get best Router you can
    - Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
    This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
    Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
    So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
    Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
    No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
    Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.

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    Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label

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    in the queue...

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    Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

    So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

    So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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    8/13/75. "Good evening, we welcome you...

    ...On behalf of the group"

    Pretty much have this whole show memorized, as it's always in heavy rotation. What the heck, in the interest of supporting my Deadhead brethren, of all genders, races, political leanings and creeds, I'll cue it up tomorrow and play it LOUD on the big boy system!!

    Unless my wife is home, then it's headphones.

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    Great choice, I was able to listen to I believe everything except Desolation Row. Still have my Dozin copy from 1996 and the first Spring 1990 opening tunes. Top shelf!

    I will throw out another 90s release for tomorrow, 8/13/75, One From the Vault.
    I have two copies of this, the original 1991 release and the remastered release from 2007. The upgrade is awesome.

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    ....my radar pinged.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.
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Fargin Ash holes.

It just so happens I am watching one of the better vigilante movies of all time. Coincidence?

I hate theft. I also hate littering. Oh, and I hate fargin ash holes. But enough about hate..

She had rings on her fingers and bells on her shoes.. The MaryE theme song. Happy MaryE Day. Apparently April is acid month too, so there's that.

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8.21.69 Aqua Theatre. Seattle.
Is that a flute I hear in Minglewood and China Cat? Very interesting.
https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1969/08/21
SHOW NOTES
Casey Jones
Easy Wind
Morning Dew >
High Time
Mama Tried >
Me And My Uncle
New Minglewood Blues* >
China Cat Sunflower* >
Doin' That Rag
Big Boss Man
Sittin' On Top Of The World
Cryptical Envelopment >
Drums >
The Other One >
Dark Star >
Cosmic Charlie
* w/ Gary Larkey on flute....did some research.

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Seattle . Checking it.

Almost a year since Bolo started this Pick of the day. I may have listened to more GD in that time frame than any time in my 67 years. Onward !

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Aho Strider

I think I mighta listened to more GD this year than ever before too.
And that's saying something.

Feels like a good thing :)

Fun to know that there's other cool peeps out there doing this too.

Enjoy rockin' the tunes with you all.

8/21/69 is fun > then I had to time travel back to February '66 for some Garage Dead.
Justa walking the Dog.

Happy Friday!

The Green Lake Aqua Theater (or what's left of it) is about a mile away from my place.

I was way too young, and too far away, to have attended. Believe me, seeing the GD there in 1969 (or any year) would have been mindblowing.

One time I did go sit there and listen to that show on my walkman (cassette).

:)))

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Love the early versions of Casey Jones and Easy Wind. China Cat with a flute player? Algo falta.
4/4/71 tomorrow, from the comfort of my easy chair.
I can enjoy the music and remember the sardine effect. Maybe Manhattan Center was like running the gauntlet

Easy Rider / Easy Wind / easy chair .

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Looking at 3/26/87, first leg of Dave's Picks #36, in honer of Jim finally getting his copy.

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Ok DV, I was gonna request 6/22/92, my hundredth show, but ya beat me to it lol.
Perhaps we do that 87, and go 90s for extra credit since I’m guessing many will want to do 50th 4/4/71 mañana?

Today
- 3/26/87
- 6/22/92

Tomorrow
4/4/71

Anyone? Sound like a plan?

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Greekwood

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Later today will be 3 26 87 for JiminMD's celebration

Did you tip the tortoise?

Sounds good to me guys. I will check out the 92 show later. I finished set 1. So good. I just love desolation row. Bird Song! Come on. To me the 3/26 show is better than 3/27. Maybe the sound, maybe the performance. 100th show OB! Sweet. I will check it out. That is a lot of mileage. Shit, we all miss those days.

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Very cool pick. First show after Woodstock(?) Very early Working Mans and Bob Cowboy songs - all of that surprised me. Up front - Casey Jones, Easy Wind, Morning Dew (Mickey on the shimmering gong?!), and High Time!!!! Casey Jones, Easy Wind, High Time are super early sweet versions. I think Pig is hoopin' and hollerin' at times!!

Flute - you guys (VGuy, Strider) are too polite: "very interesting," "algo falta." The flute playing is brutal. Barely made it through New Minglewood and I bailed from China Cat one minute in.

Ca. early '90s lived about 2 miles from Green Lake (Greenwood). Can't imagine dead playing Aqua Theatre. GD show was last rock concert at the venue. Couldn't find any Dead photos, but photos of the Zeppelin playing months earlier are crazy cool and show the interesting stage setting. Per concert poster New Riders opened.

Dead seem aware of a curfew in the precise and very fine show closer sequence of Cryptical > Other One> Cryptical > Dark Star > Cosmic Charlie. Love the last second "post-production" trippy tape speed up in final seconds of Cosmic Charlie.

Senator Oro - 6/16/74 Playing - very glad you dialed that one in. back in the vehicle cassette days that song/tape always got me where I needed to be. Trucking > Nobodys jam > Wharf Rat, Going down The Road to finish Set III (which I picked up a little later) is a fantastic ride.

one of these days maybe 7/18/72??!!

Onward!

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Hey everyone, happy Easter to those that celebrate. So i was making a 400 mile round trip drive last night and 9 o'clock est show on Sirius was 10/1/77 from Portland. I have neglected for some reason... But the transition from Eyes>Dancing..... wow forgot how much cow bell!! Enjoy the day everyone. Bob

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I have on cassette
Sounds really good

Lots of positive energy

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It’s an amazing show. I read my deadbase 50 about Manhattan Center. Many counterfeit tickets were were in the mix. (All three nights) plus a roof entry door was breached and several dozen people got in from (on high) the second night.
I feel bad for anyone who took acid in advance before seeing how packed it was. I seem to remember my friend Theresa being squeezed and lifted off the floor and slowly being moved. I kind of remember the band members looking concerned but calm. I went the 4th and 5th. Looking at my old notes I must have spent the first set of the 4th on the floor near the stage . The balcony was the only place with any kind of room to dance so I spent the second set up there. I believe it was similar the 5th, packed on the floor, the front lobby was packed like a wild party. But again the cavernous balcony had elbow room. After the intensity of being near the stage , packed against 8 strangers and my head melting the balcony seemed like flying into clear skies after heavy turbulence in a thunderstorm. I really enjoyed listening to 4/4/71 today. Morning Dew is stellar , Easy Wind is killer(tempo!) Truckin’ is unique,(pigpen organ!)Good Lovin had me up and dancing. The drum solo is extremely hot. Jazz influence. Also notice in photographs from Manhattan Center Jerry playing the “peanut” guitar made by luthier Rick Turner who worked for Alembic for a few years. Very historic Grateful Dead concerts.
Happy birthday Muddy Waters. Happy Easter.

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April 1971 stands with the best month of any in Grateful Dead history.

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April '71 def sounds like fun ;)

Strider, way cool memories. Dug reading that. Do you remember talking to Theresa about her experience?

I'd agree with April '71 being a top month.
There's so many top months in years, what a band.

Keep the stories coming my friend.
And 4/5 is getting a spin today on it's anniversary.

I keep hearing about Acid Month.
What's that all about?
Am I supposed to be taking Acid this month?
I mean bicycle day, I get that... but the whole month?

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I read that in reference to April 71 in Relix a long time ago.

paraphrase: "Acid Month, when the GD played New York City eight times (Manhattan Center and Fillmore East)"

I bet there was a lot of Acid in NY in April in '71 with the GD in town at the beginning and the end.
So yeah... that makes sense.

LMK if any of you all know the Relix that might be in.

Get your Daily Dose!

4/5/71 down the hatch. Forgot this was the Marmaduke yodel version of Bobby McGee :)

Sweet stuff.

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I'm guessing this is more of a reference to the fact that there may have been a lot of acid about, being taken by people, than to the actual music being played. Which sounds more rootsy than psychedelic to me.

Yes, great times all.

Should we do Dick's 18 to celebrate one year?

In honor of Bolo's first pick.

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https://relisten.net/grateful-dead/1986/05/11
....because the setlist looks interesting. Frost 5.11.86, but I'm game for anything.

SET 1
Gimme Some Lovin' >
Dancin' In The Street
Never Trust A Woman
Iko Iko
My Brother Esau
It Must Have Been The Roses
Cassidy >
Might As Well
SET 2
Samson & Delilah >
Crazy Fingers >
He's Gone >
Smokestack Lightning >
Drums >
Space >
The Other One >
Comes A Time >
Around & Around >
Not Fade Away
ENCORE
I Need A Miracle >
U.S. Blues

86 has some good energy

calling it up right now

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

It's Been!

What a crazy year. Totally psychedelic and trippy.

Happy One Year Anniversary to the POTD crew, players, contributors and followers.

Good tunes all year long.

Sounds like I'm hearing calls for 5/11/86 & DiP V18

Wonder what this year is going to be like?

working from home

really enjoying being in the place that takes much of my earnings (mortgage...) You just know that some poor schmuck in history has been named Mort Gage.

lots of GD listening while working

extremely grateful (pun intended) that I haven't lost family members to Covidshite

forward, brothers and occasional sister. forward.

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Hi, Mort Gage here...why you talkin bout me?

I’m actually about to fire up 4/6/71. I’ve been trying to limp along through as much of 71 and more specifically now, April. But I accidentally swallowed some kind of little piece of paper that fell outta an old record album? Aaaannnndddddd eeeeeeevvvvvvveeeeeerrrrrrr ssssssssiiiiiinnnnnnncccccccccceeeeeeee tttthhhhhhhiiiinnnggggssssss hhhaaaaaaaaavvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeee bbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnn wwwweeeeeeiiiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrddddddddd???????????????????

So going there first, then I’ll probably lean towards that 5/11/86. Kinda into or wanna get into some 86 this year.
My way of dealing with Anniversary stuff is I go by 5 year groups. So this year having a 1 for 2021, my anniversary years end in a 1 or 6, so this years anniversaries are 66, 71, 76, 81, 86, and 91. Since that’s a lot of years, I’ve been concentrating on 71 since I’m not too familiar, yet. 81 cause it seems we’ve all been digging 81...and 86, the forgotten year; mostly cause I can’t remember the shows I was at, but also because I sorta wrote it off and forgot that there are lots of good shows that year.
Next criteria is shows I was at and/or official releases, then...........Wild West baby, like perhaps 5/11?
Oh, I am itching to hear DP 18, especially after how much I dug DaP 37, (biggest pleasant surprise in years!),
yet another tour I need to “discover”, but unfortunately Realgone hasn’t re-dropped it yet, and thanks but no thanks about files,( long convoluted nonsense on my part that you don’t wanna hear) but hey, it’s not like I don’t have enough other stuff in the mean time lol.
So far enjoyed, but not high on the Minglewood scale for the first couple nights of Acid month, really looking forward to 4/6 today. Hope to have better listening session than the last couple....
So heeeeyyyyyy Oooooo! Hay! (SNAP)

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yes.. he's trouble, but his French Cousin, Forte Closeur takes the cake.

Enjoying the hell out of the Manhattan Center. Just finished 4/5.. I am sure I will start 4/6 but likely won't finish it until tomorrow. It takes half my time just to keep those two prementioned characters from showing up uninvited, which can crush the nicest of buzzes.

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for tomorrow? 30 years ago tomorrow was the first show of a three night run in Orlando. Great shows

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It's got a cumberland.

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So awesome. I don’t believe I’ve listened to all three Manhattan Center shows in a row before. And on the 50th anniversaries. They sounded so tight.
420 on the west coast.

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I had to go back to the first page of this thread and check it out. Great stuff. I have loved the focused listens. It takes a lot of commitment to get through some of these shows. So much to learn and so many great shows. A few clunkers along the way, but not many.
Thanks to the great people on this site that have shared so much fantastic music with me. You know who you are and my collection is getting ridiculous, but I still want more. And I have tried to pay it forward with other members here as well.

Now, if we could just get that 1980 box announcement and we get a 1973 show soon!

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If you're a Dead Enthusiast, and I'm pretty sure there's several hereabouts, this new should bring a bit of sadness. Rick Harris -- the guy who ran the Thoughts on the Dead blog thing, an irreverent look at an irreverent band, and general thoughts, often mocking, on music, life, and the world, plus poetry, short stories, rants and other curios -- has passed on, at the young age of 46. Spare a thought for a guy who loved the Dead in his own way, and take some time to stroll through his garden of irreverence.

https://www.thoughtsonthedead.com/by-the-waterside-i-will-lay-my-head/

Chugging along...
4/6/71✔️Definitely liked this the best of the three. Though the song list/set lists did contribute to my overall enjoyment, it was as much about the vibe or feel of this show? The playing of the music. I hate to use relaxed because that sounds like too mellow? It sounded like not as much coke and/or booze going on...now I’m not suggesting that that was actually the case, just that that’s what it sounded like...steady, firm, solid, but not manic, yet still able to rock it in overdrive when appropriate I.e., JBG, Casey J, Truckin!
All three shows were good, but imho I thought this one was the standout. Perhaps not full Minglewood but close enough for hourse shoes and hand grenades!

5/11/86✔️Enjoyed this show also, another interesting song/set list, with mostly good performance. Perhaps suffered from the west coast mellow thing? Or was it the tape? Good show, just felt a little...?
Lol, I guess you could say the same thing about this show “sounded like no coke and/or booze” lol.
Hey, I’m just trying to find the right words to convey a feeling so don’t murder me ; )
Anywho, time today for another double header!
4/7/71 up first then ????
91 Orlando???

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then later will do more of 5/13/73

5/13/73: it will be a glorious day when the ultra-crisp soundboard of that show emerges

MAY 73: A BOX FOR THE AGES!!! C'MON DAVE!!!!!!!