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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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    38 production issues cont....

    Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
    I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
    It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
    First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

    - FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
    - THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
    - BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
    This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
    - TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
    - THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
    - THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
    - WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
    - WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
    -“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
    DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
    I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

    A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
    The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
    But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
    - SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
    It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
    HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
    I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
    This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

    LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
    Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.

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    GD, zits and all

    play on
    play on
    play on

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    A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

    Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”

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    To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

    Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

    We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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    I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.

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    That is pretty much what I currently have.

    About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.

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    Ha!

    Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

    Awesome Version Alert -

    My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

    I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

    Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.

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    lol moment last night

    went to bed early
    had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
    she comes up later
    I am asleep
    Space is full steam
    She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

    uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....

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    Re: AJS

    Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

    https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

    Pimp up your ride.

    (......honey, I got us a new car!)

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    So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

    It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by carlo13 on Sat, 05/08/2021 - 22:48

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One word. Stockpile. I spun disk 3 of Dap 21 and was amazed at how good it sounds even when I am 3 deep in vodka martinis. Its similar to 38 in some ways.

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 05:21

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Billy the Kid-Sheik Yer Bones- if you haven't already got it, the double cd "The Centennial Collection" from 2011 presents Robert Johnsons recordings with a clarity I have never heard before.
I have never heard either of the Peter Green or Eric Clapton cover albums-maybe I should check them out.
Among my favourite cover versions are those by Larkin Poe - there on youtube under "cover versions". Just two young women and a couple of guitars - great unassuming versions of "Come On In My Kitchen" "Sweet Home Chicago" and even "Hellhound On My Trail".
Good choice of blues singers on Mt. Rushmore, Billy. If Blind Willie Johnson could be called a blues singer, he would be one of my choices in the pre war slot. Probably the blues artist I have got most cds by, though, is John Lee Hooker. Maybe cause he recorded the most!
Deadwise I have been ducking and diving around eras, travelling the roads less travelled. A great one from Europe 72 is the Beat Club, Bremen from 4/21. A single cd with two covers of "Playin in the Band" and jam out of "Other One" that never wants to stop and was never repeated ( I don't think).
5/5/77 is also easy to overlook-but its got a great "Sugaree" in there.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 05:59

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Garcia said something about John Lee Hooker once, he said, John Lee Hooker is the kind of a guy who can scare you playing just one note. I saw John Lee Hooker play a few times. he always put on a good show.

John Lee Hooker lived in Redwood City in the 80s, he used to have his breakfast at the Lyons in San Carlos on El Camino(long gone now) He was quite a sight; impeccably dressed, a feather in his hat.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 08:04

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All is good with the world again.

Happy Mothers Day folks.. how about a happy reply from a happy mother out there somewhere reading this.

What's a good Mothers Day show to listen to today??

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Submitted by WokeUpDead on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 08:11

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I saw Mr. Johnny Lee play in a college residence hall auditorium in the late '70s. His band came on without him and played for 30 minutes before the man himself was helped onto the stage and sat down on a stool in front of the band. He couldn't walk without assistance but was still impressive, even though he appeared to be on his last go-round. As it turned out, he still had decades to go. He was too bad of a man for the Reaper to take.

My blues Mt. Rushmore:
Pre-war: Charlie Patton, Robert Johnson, John Lee Williamson (the real Sonny Boy), Memphis Minnie
Post-war: Muddy Waters, Elmore James, Jimmy Reed, Albert King
Of course there are many names that could be rotated onto either list on any given week.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 10:05

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x5g9HaUs3qo. Lebowski, I think you're right, were going to have to carve another head on Mt Rushmore for. Howlin Wolf. Jim, 1973 DEAD, what do you think about a May 1973 box set with 5/13,20,26/73., Des Moines, Santa Barbara, and good ole San Francisco. I think it is something that is gonna happen in the near future, what do you think about that?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 10:24

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Don't sleep on Omaha. 2 days after DP19.

P.S. Apparently, NOT a robot.

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Submitted by dreading on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 12:43

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I do not believe the borderline '73 heads would be much interested, based on the PNW non sellout. The 1974 shows in that box were extraordinary for '74, but I thought the 1973 shows were spotty. That is not to say there was not some brilliant must have Dead moments, but they did not hold on to me from end to end like the fall and winter shows. DP 19 is a great example of how great '73 could be. Also the Winterland Complete Recordings Box Set. I have listened to the May shows and Kezar is a winner from the three BTK mentioned, and would most likely be a good Dave's Picks or packaged with 6/9 and 610.

This current release is hot in my book. There has been some great analysis so I don't have anything new to add. The absence of Keith on 9/8 is strange, but the "mix" we got is very good to me. Interesting guitar discussions about the Wolf and the SG accounting for much of the aggressive sound. I never would have considered these things unless they had pointed out. It is always an adventure with the Grateful Dead!

May '73 is right up my wheelhouse. I agree with DReading on the topic, however.. I wouldn't expect to see this come out over the next couple to several years. I agree with his comments on the '73 shows from the last box too. They are not light the fuse and run away from start to finish. It's more an acquired taste, but there are strong moments in every show. I find myself pulling down segments from this box more than listening start to finish.

..but I still love this box. The Portland '74 China Rider for example is one of my all time favorite versions and I am just skimming the surface. I still consider the PNW box mandatory listening.

So May '73, hell yes.. but I am patient. We still have June '73 to ponder also. Putting all these thoughts to the forefront right now.. I think we have just one option. Finish the tunnel underneath the vault and take all of 1973 to mockingbird studios and make this happen. Dave is slacking... it's up to us. Who's with me?

Does that explain....

When I built a fire on Main Street
And shot it full of holes

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 18:50

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"They're not light the fuse and run away from start to finish". I would buy anything from '73, but agree, it's unlikely they would return there so soon.

Let's get the big '72 box going already. So much great stuff just waiting to be Plangentitized.

Completely underestimated the 4/27/69 Dark Star all these years. Top-shelf.

I'm going Spring '77 anniversary tonight - 5/9/77 Buffalo. Bertha is really cool and mellow and smooth. A cut above the other '77 versions.

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sun, 05/09/2021 - 21:22

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Sir James,

My apologies for the late post. I spent the day at a soccer tournament. No doubt something the fathers organized.

Each year on Mother’s Day I spin 3/27/86. The only time Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues was played. I was fortunate to be there. Still can’t figure out the lyrics, but a cool tune.

God bless all you mothers out there, the GD and the state of Maine. Coolest place to see shows.

5/7/77. Agreed on Bertha. One of the best concerts of all time and they open up by saying their equipment doesn’t work. Good luck explaining that to your teenage daughters. My favorite versions of Bertha, Peggy-O and 1/2 Step ever.

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Submitted by simonrob on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 04:14

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क्या यह पोस्ट करने के लिए सही जगह है?

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Submitted by Colin Gould on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 05:15

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I’d just looked at the UPS and USPS tracking for #38 and they were still saying
UPS - We’ve given it to USPS on 3rd May
USPS - We have been told, electronically, to expect it but we don’t have it yet, also on 3rd May

So I was about to send an email to see what was happening when I saw our postie heading to the door through the driving rain. After they had done their best to dismantle the letter box I discovered my #38 and bonus disc sitting on the floor.

Isn’t that wonderful, you know it certainly is.

Hopefully, I’ll play it tomorrow and check that it works.

Let’s hope some more get through to the UK soon.

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 06:27

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I was fortunate enough to be there also. I remember calling my buddy the next morning with the setlist and told of this "new" song.

Here are the lyrics

"Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues"
Words by Robert Petersen; music by Phil Lesh and Brent Mydland
Halfway past cool on Monday for the sight of her
Rode in town while he built afar [a fire?] with the riders and then the poor
Hot damn, it's a mother's day, don't you all look fine
Promenading down long car ocean, yes it's mine and it's sniffing white

They got poets, shuckers and godzilla's 'round
Mother's sweet little frozen no suit
We got Speed Racer and his archaic as words Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues

Bringin' all the mares hide in your cabs, honey now loosen your load
You belong to this has-no-name, what I
I remember some chicks from the sciz would come along and sit and squeeze too
Silly says, I say it once, for you it's cold steel and slow
Its sounds have all ruptured, it sounds just like glass
Suspect out in the corners, sounding verse and kickin' ass
I felt the city have a narly, don't make the 6 o'clock news
Speed Racer and the band here playing

As I recall I went for the window, but I never did get me there
Hit me hard with his hickory stick was the last thing I saw, met you
Drag me down and tangle, you carry the charges if you feel
Pray for the day that one yourself, but then figure we'll lick a few

But when I try to look up, don't want to let me loosen your load
Here alone take this grenade for me, well I

The fore runner radiates wild help up far now, gun ships pass so far
Pass me a vote, silly, and how we did it all over
Did it all over, did it all over the road

We got broads, suckers and guys in this jail mother sweet little frozen no suit
We got Speed Racer and his archaic am words Revolutionary Hamstrung Blues

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Submitted by Dennis on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 06:39

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Same boat here, hope mine shows up today before work,,,, around 2 my time.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 06:43

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why can't I order it?

(I am being silly......)

I am slowing warming up to this release. It still feels truncated, though, somehow.

- Another Picky Deadhead

I was at the Rose Palace in Pasadena CA (What a dump) for a show featuring Grateful Dead, Kaleidoscope (David Lindley's first band) and a group called Southwind...Headlining the bill was a showing of the Cream Final Concert film from London's Royal Albert Hall...

I listened to 5/10/69 recently on a solo road trip to Oregon.

HOT.

As happy as I am to have gotten on the bus when I did (82), to have experienced them in 1969....woooooww....

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Submitted by nitecat on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 09:07

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I'm on my second listen, and for me the first set doesn't really take off until WRS. As is frequently the case, the band seems to be warming up during the first few songs.

I haven't seen mention of the "Roll out the Barrel" ditty at the end of cd1. It's not listed, and there is a lot of silence before it appears.

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Submitted by frankparry on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 09:14

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Anyone catch a hint of I Need A Miracle at around the 6.58 mark lasting around 15 seconds?

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Submitted by sportybill on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 10:14

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Hey now - I have a Vol. 38 plus bonus disk (opened only to rip music) will trade for a vol.38 collectible glass. Please contact via direct message. Thanks!

I think you will the bonus disc worth more down the road than the glasses,,,, seems they always want a lot of bonus disc.

I've been luckily on the glass front, 2 for 2. Really hoping to get all four. Wish I had gotten the hatchet, Jim made it sound so nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfsAb35jyfw

Nappy - Kaleidoscope seemed like a good band in their own right. Their first two albums, "Side Trips" and "Beacon From Mars" are classics.

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Submitted by direwulf on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 12:35

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Yes indeed sir. Made my ears to a double take. I mentioned this the other day and got a response like "of course they're in a driving blues jam in E." Yeah ok. Doesn't account for the time period being 73! Thank you for pointing out how weird it is to hear that riff show up so early. Not an "of course," but an "oh my, thats about 5 years to early!" Funny it struck .e as something so standoutish I can't remember another Truckin' that quite does that. I wonder how long that riff was bouncing around before landing jn Miracle. Anyone else know of a show where that specific riff shows up so blatantly and cleanly before the Miracle daze...or days?

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 17:20

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How's about the GSTL can koozie? Woo wooooooo!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 17:49

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Slipknot! was played live before 1975, and there is a WRS Prelude on a previous DaP release (don’t remember the #).

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Submitted by LedDed on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 17:57

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I finally saw John Lee Hooker at Long Beach Blues Fest in 1997. He really was on his last legs; he sat down as he played and mumbled a bunch of shit like, 'you you you you you..." It went on too long and was out of rhythm and sync. But, it was a paying gig and the man showed up and I can say I saw him.

John Lee, Jimmy Reed - those dudes had a pocket a mile wide. "Bright Lights, Big City" Shit! "Dimples." "Big Legs, Tight Skirt." "One Bourbon, One Scotch, One Beer." Don't give me any cancel culture bullshit. The blues is and was as real as it gets. Men like women, they like booze, and they sang about it righteously.

"Going Down" as sung by Freddie King is another peak moment. What a groove! "Ain't No Love In The Heart Of The City," Bobby "Blue" Bland. Sly Stone. Jimi Hendrix. Rick James. Otis Redding. Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles, Bob Marley, Miles. I cannot name all.

Soul. Black folks have it, white folks have it. Everyone can have it, it ain't color specific. I do not, generally, like rap music. I don't find any warmth there, much of a pocket. I'm not going to disparage it because I know it means a lot to many and I'm not looking to pick a fight here.

But I will say, Gary Clark Jr. is a breath of fresh air in today's musical landscape, as is Christone "KingFish" Ingram. I love hearing the brothers with soulful voices lay down beautiful blues in the rich tradition of the greats, and I wish there was more of it. Maybe it will come back one day.

God bless everyone.

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Submitted by Jack_O_Roses 0420 on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 19:42

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BTK - So glad to see you include Son House in your pantheon, he's (unfortunately) one of the forgotten greats. I know that Muddy Waters (among others) held him in high regard as one of his idols but you rarely see his name mentioned with the truly original masters such as Robert Johnson, Leadbelly, etc.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 05/10/2021 - 21:01

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Yeah they're pretty similar, the Miracle riff and the Truckin' jam.
The Truckin' jam is distinguishable as the part they play while Bobby, sings "hey now get back Truckin' on" (except they continue jamming to it for a few minutes after he stops singing).

It is, as someone stated, a common driving Blues riff, but it doesn't always sound so obviously like Miracle as it does on 9/8/73, because they don't always accent the same beats (specifically, Bobby throws a couple of quarter notes into the second measure to transform the Truckin' riff into Miracle). This happens from time to time in a lot of versions of Truckin', where someone throws those quarter notes in. Pigpen actually does it with the Hammond on the E72 Bickershaw Truckin' between 6:48 and 7:15.

The first time I remember catching a little bit of this was on the Truckin' from the 30 Trips Around the Sun, Lindley Meadows show, 1975. It seems to pop up from time to time, but perhaps not so prominently as on this current release. It all comes full circle to how fricken loud Bobby is on DaP 38. Otherwise, the call to Miracle would have been something happening deep in the mix, as it has a bunch of times before in the 175 versions of Truckin' we now have. Wow... do I really need that many? Great question for another time....

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 06:08

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Thanks for posting that footage Billy The Kid. Never saw it. I love these rare 60s clips when you see a very animated Jerry onstage. Has anyone read if they tripped every performance? I've always had a fascination with what take on stage.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 07:01

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Very cool.. at first I did a double take.. a 4:40 Morning Dew?

Choppy video but very cool.

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Submitted by gratefulgerd on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 07:17

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in Germany. That was pretty quick, again.
What a grateful day!!!

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Submitted by simonrob on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 07:27

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In the Netherlands. UPS tracking had said it arrived in the country on Saturday and today it was delivered. Shipping notice was received on April 30. Quick!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 07:51

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Great hear. I still haven't been able to finish my first proper listen. Sending some good vibes and listening synergy. It is a bit of a relief to see a little more equity in receipt timing.

Makes for a happy Tuesday.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 08:55

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somewhere in the US, I was 4 years old

Jerry-cise! look at him go!

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Submitted by nappyrags on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 09:26

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I was very lucky to see Kaleidoscope as often as I did in So Cal as they opened quite a few shows I attended...those LP's you mentioned and especially "Beacon From Mars" are killer as you say...It's too bad Lindley seems not to want to acknowledge that band, something to do with ca$h of course which is his right...Some years ago a friend took a vintage vinyl copy of "Beacon" and a new copy of the two CD retrospective of Kaleidoscope to a gig Lindley was doing in Santa Fe NM and he politely told my friend he wouldn't sign those for him...anything else no problem...too bad....

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Submitted by nappyrags on Tue, 05/11/2021 - 09:36

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No I wasn't at that particular show...I only ventured South a few times back then...one memorable show was the Danny Kirwan/Christine Perfect led version of Fleetwood Mac at the Sports Arena down there...while looking through some stuff I had come across on Google Images I saw the poster for another Rose Palace show that happened a few weeks before the one I talked about earlier...the bill was The Butterfield Blues Band (Keep On Moving was the current release for him) Grateful Dead and opening was some band from England called Jethro Tull...I did see The Carlos Santana Blues Band (as they were then called) at the Rose Palace opening for Procul Harum...Porcul was touring behind "Salty Dog"...being Chicano me and my buds flipped out on Santana!

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