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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
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GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
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To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Hurts Me Too Fans

I'm listening to 5/13/72 and the Hurts Me Too is particularly good. Jerry has some great solos in there.

11/4/77 Colgate University

Dave's Picks 12. A fine little show if you ask me. Give it some love, Dave.. The Jones Brothers Band..

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? ok, sure, whatever.. have fun.

Grand Funk Railroad

Per Homer Simpson

https://youtu.be/YXKmsvRXE4A

Vguy

D&C chose not to come to Vegas because they figured that you would be to tired to see them after all those Phish shows.

... it hurts, the pain..

Sorry VGuy. At least you have Hockey.

Alright Hamilton!

Good call Jimbo. DaP 12 is the first Dave's Picks that I didn't have to buy off of eBay :D

Shows vs releases gets a litttle dicey, but I think of DaP 12 as one show in my head, even though all of Disc Three is from Seneca. Daverock I highly recommend it - this thing's a powerhouse, especially if you gloss over Roses and Sunrise. Stella Blue has this ethereal intro like nothing I've heard.

Colgate University

A fine show indeed. The only misstep is that it should have been the 13th release. Colgate folks will know why. A very interesting backstory on how the concert came about if you haven’t already read it.

Our daughter will be attending that fine institution in the fall. A tough grab for a college with an already low acceptance rate in a year when applications for admission more than doubled. I played 11/4/77 for a week straight after we got the news. It felt like scoring NYE tickets back in the day.

She could not be happier and we could not be more proud. I’ve already told her that I will be wearing my DaP 12 T-shirt on drop off day. She’s less than thrilled about that.

Awesome AJS!....

....congratulations! I also own a Dave's 12 tee. I don't bust it out too much anymore because signs of wear are appearing. Besides! I got my Dave's 38 shirt today. Going into rotation. Dave's 12 tee is sized a little small, but this new shirt is like a glove.

Colgate T

First.. a huge congrats, AJ. A huge win.

Second.. I bought two Colgate T's.. one I have worn and one I will wear when this one wears out. I get nonstop shit for the CD's and T Shirts I buy. I don't get it.. if it makes you happy, it can't be that bad (not to be played in front of a heroin junkie crowd)..

Anyway.. a huge congratulations are in order and an even bigger one when she graduates. Great news.

Vguy and Sir James

Thank you both. Downstairs listening to the show again right now. One of my favorite versions of BEW and Let It Grow.

I love that T-Shirt and get comments on it all the time. I purchased two as well and the size does run small. The Large barley fits me.

Not my home, but where I reside right now...

First bus stop in Raleigh, where this kid got his start. Glad they're coming. Not sure I'm in.
We'll see...

AJS-congrats. What a proud pops you must be.
:O)

11/4/77 - maybe okay after all

Those that did -thanks for highlighting this show - obviously it got lost in the shuffle a bit with me. I'll check it out again soon. With 1977, I start each year playing available shows, but I rarely get passed June - maybe September.
I should also say that some Daves Picks, post 1974, late Keith shows, do appeal - 2/26/77, 5/25/77 and 1/22/78 come to mind. One of the April 78 shows is pretty good, too,

I'm not really into the "rock n' roll hall of fame" or whatever its called. Maybe the best rock n 'roll band I saw in the 80s and 90s were The Cramps -clearly in a different orbit from award type bands. Similarly Hawkwind in the 70s.
I always liked the quote by Memphis musician Jim Dickinson -
" The best songs don't get recorded, the best recordings don't get released and the best releases don't get played." If you win an award - at anything - you are clearly doing something wrong.

And coincidentally, since typing the above, I have received an email to tell me that the North Mississippi Allstars, featuring Jim Dickinson's sons, have their 2020 show in London, of which I have a ticket, rescheduled to June 2022. Worth staying alive for.

Colgate

Every time I read that name I flash back to an old toothpaste commercial

Colgate flouride MFP
helps prevent a cavity
and it tastes great naturally

May 14th of the year twenty-twenty-one....

....a day that will live in infamy. Masks no longer required at my workplace!
Too bad I don't recognize my co-workers now.

re: Colgate

Cavity Creeps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeuJ-cBw1Hg

My bad. That was Crest.

Be Well People!
Sixtus

@ Jeff - Cover Art

As always, thank you for the awesome service of getting us heads those cover art scans.

Looking at them all together...

Best cover art - Volume 26 - Albq. 11/17/71
Worst - Volume 4 - W&M 9/24/76

Love to hear your thoughts!

Peace

Edit: Other tops: Vols. 8, 10, 20, and 27 - Other bottoms: 4, 13, 17, 21, 22 - Best Bonus - 2018 (along w/ my favorite cover) - Worst Bonus - 2015 (Sorry, I made a whole list and I couldn't resist...)

Best DaP Covers

The best is a tough one, and my choice is a dead heat (pun intended) between Vol 31 - Chicago, and Vol 32 - Philly.
It’s hard to pick a “worst”, because these artists really are masters, but I’d say maybe Vol 13, Winterland.
Bonus Discs - Best was 2018, the worst was 2015.

the ambiguously dentally hygienic team

some snug outfits there, y'all.

Bobby W would approve...

Too Many...

...beards on Skeletons. That's my only complaint. On the bright side.. at least we didn't get any skeletal under arm hair or hair down there.

In all honesty I liked McDougall but he's long gone. More on the Road Trips and E72 than the Dave's Picks. I liked the Dave's Picks 10 guy too, wasn't that Tony Millionaire?? Colors are good in some of the later ones. Ok.. you can dist the cover art for DaP 13, but the quality of the show underneath should be enough to absolve the skeletal skaters..

It must be happy hour somewhere.. time to catch up.

Box me Dave

Box me
And us

I would love to have it for summer break

But probably for return to school in the fall

Cest la vie

6 18 74 plays currently

Eyes of the World

Casey Jones acoustic 1970

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwu7hGdJaHY

DaP 13

I like the DaP 13 cover, but not really any of the others by that artist. Also like Tony Millionaire covers DaP 9 - 12 are all great. He also did the Grateful Dead ship in the ocean, which I think was an RSD cover.

Favorite might be DaP 1. Great colors, great show, and great tie-in to historical date of the show. DaP 10 might be my favorite too - love the Alligator and those colors. Oh, and Close Encounters with the Grateful Dead. Dave's Picks 23!

Least favorite...hmm. Maybe 14, 15 or the bicycle one.

AJS - congrats on your daughter's acceptance - great stuff. What is the significance of 13 with that show?

Cover art clean-up

Late to the party. Hope these are worthy:

https://i.imgur.com/k2peHUr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CosPXVS.jpg

Best Dicks Covers....

....partial to Truman's, but I enjoyed Tim's work in comics long before Dead releases.
Does the July '78 box count? Because that one is the bestest.
Sigh.....reminded me of the Arrowhead show. Going in.

Vguy

I been thinkin bout that box too

I gotta listen to that again

Cover Art

26 is the best for sure.

Top 3 would be: 26, 30 and 23

Bottom 3 would be: 20, 13 and 17

Keithfan - thank you for the kind words. Colgate has a unique affiliation with the number 13. Founded by 13 men, mostly Baptist ministers, who each contributed $1 to fund the college, who then said 13 prayers. The University still celebrates the number 13 today. It just would have been cool if it were DaP13.

Excellent Footage 2/4/70

Stumbled upon this on on YouTube. I didn't know this kind of really good footage existed. I've seen a couple of short clips similar to this in various documentaries, but certainly never this. This is from the Download Series:

https://youtu.be/sjzNsjOnX0M

To think they played those awesome shows at the Fillmore East a week after this.

AJS - speaking of Fillmore East, I am a big fan of the Dave's Picks 30 cover art. Very original, and cool that it's the Fillmore East. Definitely one of my preferred covers. 26 is cool too - very relaxing and original as well. I forgot about the bonus disc art the number 26. I like that one a whole lot. There are some really good ones. I forgot about Dave's Picks 6 - that's pretty good for having a skeleton. I kind of dig 17 too, with the Wall of Sound skeltons in coattails (but the Road Trips Wall of Sound cover is better looking to me). Thanks for the info on Colgate, that's a really cool story actually. I'll have to check it out on a map one of these days. My whole extended family is spread out across different areas of New York.

A Voice From on High 5/15/70

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvTW5s9_Pk. One of my all time favorite shows , thank goodness they still have the recording. 5/15/70, 5/2/70, & 9/20/70 are all killer acoustic sets, hopefully 9/20/70. will be released someday. The box set should be out anytime now, I hope it is something from 1969 or 1970
.

Old cover art

Coming on here regularly, its hard to forget what a great cover Skull and Roses has. In fact a lot of those album covers were great. I remember they used to stand out when I flipped through record sleeves in shops, back in the early 70s, before I knew who they were.

Acoustic 1970

Billy the Kid it's really funny that you mention the acoustic stuff, because five minutes ago I put on Dick's Picks 8 Uncle John's Band as a prelude to the electric set on an hour-long car ride. The funny part is I've never listened to acoustic Dead before, except for that1980 PBS video. I don't know why. It's one of those deals I guess where I've been catching up on electric Dead for so long that I was just waiting for the right mood to hit me. This is a great Uncle John's Band!

Agree Daverock, the Dead had outstanding album art in the 70s. Tough to pick a favorite there. I guess I would go with Shakedown Street, and Blues for Allah as a second choice.

5/15/77 St. Louis

It's been awhile since I've listened to any 1977, but I've been hitting these May shows from the original box set. Shows seem to sound better when I listen on their anniversary date.

First Estimated => Eyes on this one. I love when those opening chords to Eyes of the World kick in. I'm going with Dick's Picks 18 as my favorite (more for the Estimated Prophet than the Eyes). It was also the first Estimated I ever laid ears on, and the only one I had until they released To Terrapin: Hartford '77. Actually, come to think if it, I first heard it in person at JFK 7/7/89. I'm declaring it National Estimated Eyes day. Who has a favorite Estimated => Eyes?

Dave's Covers

I've been impressed with just about all of the artists' efforts on the Dave's series. They've each applied their own styles to the Grateful Dead mystique. It's interesting to read how some folks favorites make other's 'worst list' and vice versa. I thought it was pretty cool when the artwork for Dave's 18 (Orpheum 7/17/76) continued on the 2016 Bonus CD – together they sort of echo the opened up Skull & Roses cover. And, altho some have them on their 'worst of list', I always kinda liked the painterly, melty, trippy approach Micah Nelson took with Dave's 13-16. Like the music they contain, my favorite cover art is usually on the Dave's I just looked at. . .

Nicely done Copperdomebodhi! Thanks! You inspired me to go back and add a little more Gaussian Blur to my Dave's 38 attempt. The fine linework in Helen's original art (hair, clouds, etc.) look like jagged lightning bolts when you zoom in on the printed separation on the CD cover. Your balance between sharpness and blur is spot on!

Onward.

Estimated Eyes

Keithfan, not sure if it's my favorite, but I gotta shout out the filler on Dick's 10 from 12/30/77. Love the jam between the tunes. Garcia builds and builds the tension like some great bird trapped in a tall glass building, slamming against the glass as he flies higher and higher until finally around the 9:50 mark he breaks through. Reminds me of Coltrane in the first act of Love Supreme.

Oh, and the eyes is followed by a nice St. Stephen.

Estimated Eyes

The July 5th '78 Omaha version is no slouch. I haven't really give much thought to my favorite. I think you might have to open up the discussion to Eyes > China Doll and really make it interesting. There's a few Eyes Estimated's that rank too. We could be here all week on this one.

Estimated Eyes

I like the one from 9/15/78 at Egypt. Heard by me on the bonus disc of Rocking The Cradle.

Estimated>Eyes

The Estimated>Eyes from 9/2/83 might just be my favorite. 10/29/77, 4/12/78, and 11/26/80 are also very good. There’s just something about 9/2/83 that I really enjoy. The Estimated is probably the better of the two; extra jazzy and funky. Good Bob vocals. The Dave’s mix for the show is alright, but the Hunter Seamons matrix for the show is much better as far as sound quality, but both are good. There’s video for 4/12/78 too.

Good List of E/Es

The only one mentioned that I know well is Rocking the Cradle bonus. My first dead.net post was to see if anyone knew of another '78 Estimated Prophet other than DP 18 and DP 25. Was interested in '78 because Jerry extended his solo that begins around the 3:30 mark from 20 seconds to almost 2 minutes. At the time, Rocking the Cradle bonus and Road Trips were the only other '78 versions. There are many now. We've come a long way. Going to listen to these tonight.

E>E 5/15 St Louis

KF - though 5/15 has long been a favorite I did not realize that was the first pairing of Estimated > Eyes. Thanks for that bit of history.

Hands down my favorite cover art of the Dave's series is No. 11 - 11/17/72 Wichita, KS. Tony Millionaire knocked that one out of the park.

Jim Eyes / China Doll

Eyes=> China Doll I'm going with DaP 17 from July '74, Selland. The Eyes of the World is top-shelf 1974 (the vocal mix on this show I recall being exceptionally awesome). The China Doll has a beer bottle clinkering around at one point. You can almost see a dark alley with misty rain under a distant street light, when tragedy strikes.

Bluecrow, when I was writing up favorites my daughter said she liked the Wizard of Oz cover best. That one's a classic.

Lebowski, that's an enticing description of the DP 10 version. I haven't put that release on in ages.

Eyes > China Doll

2 9 73
9 18 74
10 19 74

Eyes > China Doll

4/2/73 Dave’s 21……..you can hear a pin drop during China Doll…..haunting version

Oh Dear

All the 1970s talk and I didn't pay homage to Road Trips 5/15/70. Time to get on it. I threw all of the electric stuff together in the order they played it. I recall there's about 3 minutes of Dark Star where Jerry sounds like he's in Orbit. Maybe around 11 or 12 minutes. Attics of My Life is up there with Brokedown Palace in my book. We could use a few more versions of that one. I think for the 70s it's this one and DP 11 only.

Vguy

The NHL playoffs start today. The single best sporting event on the planet.

Good luck to your Golden Knights. I am all over Canadaland this year. Edmonton and Connor McDavid are my team.

The big money is on Colorado. They are young and fast, as I said last year. Will be tough to beat.

I know you are hoping for a Leafs joke, but I will forgo one until they actually fold.

NHL playoffs....

....Vegas has injuries. Got Minnesota.
Should be fun.
Had a $50 bet with my Avalanche loving cousin for most points.
Ended up a damn tie.
Four months of trash talk for a TIE!
Good times.
Drop the damn puck already.
And yes AJS. The NHL playoffs IS the best sporting event on the planet.

8 4 76

An old friend

Sounds really good

Lots of Phil

VGuy, I would make you a wager . . .

But I don't know a damn thing about hockey, even though I live in The State of Hockey, about five miles from where the Wild play! Perhaps DeadVikes would like to bet with you . . . ?

I do know that Minnesota playing Las Vegas in hockey is such an odd juxtaposition that it boggles my mind. :) Here we have tons of water and uptight old people, and it's bitter cold much of the year. Vegas? Likely the opposite? I was there once, to see the GD in 1993.

Dead Airwaves

Settling into 5/16/72, Radio Luxembourg. Has one of the best Promised Lands of 1972 I think. There is also a soundcheck of Big River, with a cool mellow Jerry intro. Bertha is one of the better tour versions (and the last for E72). Small radio audience, 400 - 500 DeadHeads only.

Lost track of hockey several years ago. Grew up with the Broad Street Bullies. Lived next door to Machine Gun Kelly until I was 5, but the only recollection I have is the pool party at his house. Watching the Flyers lose it all in '87 against Gretzky in 7 ripped my soul out for a while. It was such a grind to get there and almost beat The Great One in his prime. Tough being a Philly-ite.

We want the airwaves

(Thats right
Thats right)

9 8 73 Eyes

Nice

Estimated > Eyes...I'll Play

...a little late to the game but heck yeah, some of my favorite GD segments of all time are these two tunes smooshed up together.

April 16, 1978 - just a really great version of both tunes; the Estimated gets a little spooky in there for a bit as Bobby plays some slightly off sounding chords there toward the end of the segue....followed by a nicely played, relatively fast Eyes. Love how at the every end, they come back to the Eyes theme one final time before splatting away into drums: https://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-16.sbd.miller.82273.sbeok.flac16

October 15, 1989 - this one seems to get overlooked due to its proximity to the 'Nightfall of Diamonds' official release, but it is a great sounding show (and recorded to 24 track, I believe). The Estimated>Eyes is a standout section of the second set; Bobby plays some really interesting midi-stuff during the segue covering several different sounding instruments (including a xylophone at one point (!); it then drops right into a fast paced, blistering Eyes....just a really nice but more modern take on the duo if that suits you:

https://archive.org/details/gd1989-10-15.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.8329…

Wheelhouse discussions = good

Be Well People!
Sixtus

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