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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • #1361
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    38 production issues cont....

    Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
    I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
    It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
    First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

    - FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
    - THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
    - BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
    This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
    - TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
    - THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
    - THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
    - WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
    - WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
    -“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
    DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
    I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

    A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
    The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
    But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
    - SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
    It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
    HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
    I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
    This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

    LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
    Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.

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    GD, zits and all

    play on
    play on
    play on

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    A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

    Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”

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    To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

    Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

    We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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    I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.

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    Sir James

    That is pretty much what I currently have.

    About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.

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    Ha!

    Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

    Awesome Version Alert -

    My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

    I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

    Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.

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    lol moment last night

    went to bed early
    had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
    she comes up later
    I am asleep
    Space is full steam
    She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

    uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....

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    Re: AJS

    Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

    https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

    Pimp up your ride.

    (......honey, I got us a new car!)

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    So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

    It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Sat, 05/22/2021 - 13:52

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Carlo, if I had a nickel for every time I thought I heard the show starting, only to find out it was someone's car stereo in the parking lot, well, I could afford 3/10 of 1% of a Dead & Co. ticket. :)

Just last weekend I was at someone's patio party, and they had hooked up a sound system outside for dancing later (all attendees have been vaccinated), and at some point when the music had run out, I went over and cued up all kinds of ABBA; they're always a crowd-pleaser, and definitely one of my guilty pleasures, kind of like a feminine KISS.

I haven't made it to the show from the 8th yet, but thought that the bonus material from the 7th was really top-notch.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 05/22/2021 - 17:48

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9/30/76

7/17/82

Listen to those without looking at the setlists

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Sat, 05/22/2021 - 19:00

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....I would pay top dollar for that double bill. Seriously.
Vegas kicking some Wild ass.
Scored a PS5 and Vegas Phish tix yesterday on my birthday.
Looking for the Golden Knights to complete my circle around the sun trifecta.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 05/22/2021 - 19:37

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Nice list of birthday shows.... culminating with a hometown show.

05/21/74- Edmundson Pavilion - Seattle, WA
05/21/77- Lakeland Civic Center - Lakeland, FL
05/21/82- Greek Theater, University Of California - Berkeley, CA
05/21/92- Cal Expo Amphitheater - Sacramento, CA
05/21/93- Shoreline Amphitheatre - Mountain View, CA
05/21/95- Sam Boyd Silver Bowl - Las Vegas, NV

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sat, 05/22/2021 - 20:13

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Agree.. one celebrates what will become and the other reflects on what was.

These tours are very different yet very well matched.

I saw B.B.King live 4-5 times between about 1983 and 1990. The first time was one of the best gigs I have ever seen. I knew who he was, and had heard a couple of his 1970s albums, but nothing prepared me for the power and presence he had live. I was sitting right at the front, and was transfixed. Everyone I went with after that first occasion was similarly impressed. Apart from the guitar playing, singing and songs he seemed so warm and well meaning as a person. One of the best.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 08:46

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Thats pretty decisive in hockey, eh?

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 08:47

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a few songs into that one

Several hours later...

Great, great, great show.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 14:08

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As usual a day late and a dollar short.

JUST found this guy,,, like his sound and was VERY surprised I have none in The Collection.

Any huge fans out there that have everything and might want to do some horse trading?

Hit me up.

Thanks

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Submitted by nappyrags on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 16:36

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As regards BB King, I first saw him in 1969 when he opened for the Stones...also on the bill was Terry Reid and Ike & Tina Turner...two shows on 11-08-69 (my 19th Birthday BTW) at The Forum in Inglewood...I know every one raves (and rightly so) about "Live At The Regal" but my fave is "Live In Japan" done in '71....BB was a STINGING guitar player and had the best voice going...The last time I saw him was at a festival in Sedona AZ he headlined...even sitting in a chair he rocked the joint

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 18:19

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RFK 73

Box it, please, Dave.

May 73

Box it, please, Dave.

Fwiw...I have it on good authority (my own)...

The box announcement will occur on 6 8 21

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 18:32

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49 years. Bobby's greeting to the crowd at the first of four nights at the Lyceum. And then Jerry and Billy rip into one of the best Promised Lands. And it's Dark Star night.

Happy birthday Vguy!

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 19:36

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than taking the dog out to go to the bathroom with a 4-1 lead, only to return minutes later to find the game tied. The Oilers suck.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 05/23/2021 - 20:06

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I could have been worse..

For example if you had stayed to watch them tie it up, point by point absorbing more pent up aggravation.. and the dog noticing you had given up on him and could wait no longer.. finally relieving himself with much shame on the Persian carpet in the hallway. That would have been worse.

So at least the dog is happy.

Edit: ...or watched them until they lost without walking the dog. I'm with proudfoot on this one. I have my sports and my favorite teams.. it's great when they win but I try hard not to get too invested in it anymore. I remember Elaine's boyfriend on Seinfeld (Puddy??).. the one that painted his face and chest for each game. Just try not to be that person and all is good with the world, especially when they win.

This week in May has a lot of good memories for me...from a weekend at The Shrine Expo Hall in LA with the Dead, Steve Miller and Taj Mahal in'68 to the following year and attending the Santa Clara Pop Festival...I was spoiled...the best was on the third day of the Festival...Chuck Berry opened the show and Jimi closed...pretty much said it all to me at the time and it still does...The sad part of course is that from the group of five of us who drove up the coast (in a VW bug of course) from LA to San Jose only two of us are still around to annoy each other...Around that time was also the beginning of fun and games with the SSS and the government in general for the next couple of years...haha fooled you bureaucratic nitwits, I'm still here...

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Submitted by daverock on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 05:08

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Nappy - yes, that is a great BB King live album. It has a lot more guitar playing on than is usually the case with his albums. Another good one is Blues Is King, from 1966 - although the cd I have of it doesn't sound too good. That must be one of the all time legendary tours, when you saw him with The Stones, Ike and Tina and Terry Reid.
I've seen Terry Reid live, too-superb singer. Apparently Jimmy Page's first choice for vocalist with Led Zeppelin.

I've been breaking in Dave's 38. I can't say its the best release from 1973 I've ever heard. In fact, apart from the fact that Dick Latvala told him it was a good show, it's hard to figure why he chose this show over other September 1973 ones. The following ones in Williamsburg look much more interesting. We get what we are given.

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THE greatest songwriter ever. Have a great one, Bob, and I hope, many more.

AJS - I don’t think the Samsonite Business Elite could fold as quickly and efficiently as your Oilers did last night. For all those who picked Connor McDavid in their playoff pools…

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5/24/72 - night two of the Lyceum run, but more notably, the anniversary of Pigpen's last Lovelight. It's my favorite. They streamline it down to a smooth 12 minutes that includes some Allman-like jamming, which was par for the course for Lovelight by '72; but unlike its two counterpart versions from the tour, they get into that great 'doot-doot-doo' melody at10:05. Pigpen's improvised lyrics over this quiet drumless guitar / bass melody are some of the best. Nothing about refrigerator repair men or pocket ball or legs-up-against the-wall. This one is....ahem....closer to the heart. Don't have that E72 show? No problem - it's on Rockin' the Rhein as well (bonus track). To Pigpen.

play Swans' Public Castration is a Good Idea at FULL volume

That lame-ass final play of Seahawks v (that football team in the northeastern region of this wacko nation)....just give the ball to Marshawn. "No, let's pass in tight quarters."

the Mariners got no-hit twice within two weeks or something...and have lost 20 in a row (wait, only 6 or 7)

Sports: BE GONE!!!

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 08:13

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right on dude, no worries - no pressure! Its a fun little course and provides for some excellent outdoor time, super casual. At your leisure! Shoot me a PM if you wish.

Oro - kiss your radio - don't think about, just DO IT!

And there is ALWAYS the possibility for the First Annual Hilltop Disc Golf Tourney, complte with a blaring GD soundtrack outside with multi-beverage stop offs and the like. A fine idea!

KF, glad you found that 6/6/70 jam to be something special. It is pretty hot, they cover a ton of ground in that one.

Enjoy Your Week People
Sixtus

At least I was not there to witness it. I would have thrown the remote through the TV screen. What's even worse, before I went upstairs to put the dog to bed, I told my daughter that while I was gone, the Oilers would lose. Then I hear my youngest yell, "the blue team scored." Damn dog.

Reminds me of the 2013 Leafs game 7 collapse against Boston. All those fans partying out there on Yonge Street thinking they are going on to the next round. 4-1 lead with 10 minutes to go in the game. Exact same outcome.

Sir James - the dog already took care of ruining our Persian rug. No need to wait around for that. Less than a month after we got her, I stepped in something warm and squishy with just my socks on. Looking down, I noticed two big piles. Thanks for that little puppy dog.

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Submitted by That Mike on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 08:51

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About the Leafs big (and frequent) collapse. Now I have to cover all the mirrors in the hose again.

Just think Proudfoot - you will have the Kraken joining the NHL next season, and like most expansion teams (Vegas, excepted), you may be calling them the Krapen before too long.

For the golfer/disc golfers:

A golf club walks into a local bar and asks the barman for a pint of beer.
The barman refuses to serve him.
"Why not," asks the golf club.
"You'll be driving later," replies the bartender.

A Minster, Priest and Rabbi walk into a bar...
The bartender looks up and says "Is this some kind of joke?"

Glad to help out.

I actually like the Leafs. I've worn a Leafs jersey my entire adult life playing pick-up scrub hockey. In fact, we made the trip up to Maple Leaf Garden in 1993 when they played Gretzky and the L.A. Kings for the right to go to the Cup finals. Tickets were going for $900, so we went across the street to the local pub and partied it up with the locals. Great time.

However, as a long time Red Sox fan, I've learned how to deal with adversity in sports. Better to laugh it off. Like the Red Sox and Cubs, you will have your day in the sun. So hang in there. Until then, just remember the reason why the hockey Hall of Fame is in Toronto is so you guys can see the Stanley Cup.

Good luck against the Habs. I'll jump on board once the Oilers are eliminated tonight.

This is Canadaland's year.

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Submitted by That Mike on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 10:45

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It could be our year here. I’ll miss the Leaf jokes, though. There’s always the Blue Jays or the Craptors, I guess…

Last one, honest:
An Irishman, Englishman and Scotsman go into a pub and each order a pint of Guinness.
Just as the bartender hands them over, three flies buzz down and one lands in each of the pints.
The Englishman looks disgusted, pushes his pint away and demands another pint.
The Scotsman picks out the fly, shrugs, and takes a long swallow.
The Irishman reaches in to the glass, pinches the fly between his fingers and shakes him while yelling, "Spit it out, ya bastard! Spit it out!"

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https://www.homethreads.com/products/rugs/safavieh-rugs/blg535m-blue-pi…

Found it while shopping for items for a bathroom remodel.

Here in MN, we all understand that other than the long-passed history of the Vikings in the four Super Bowls and the two Twins World Series victories, the teams will never win. Except the Lynx, who won a LOT not too long ago . . .

Ha, yer all a bunch of whiney rookies when it comes to losing! Lol
Try 4 super bowl losses, IN A ROW! and 2 Stanley Cups, one stolen!, and countless other championship games lost, or more accurately, handed over!
But hey, at least the Dead always played good there; )

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Submitted by Angry Jack Straw on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 13:08

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No need to tell me. Went to every Sabres game in the ‘99 conference finals against the Leafs and every Cup finals game against the Stars. We were 15 rows off the ice, right in front of where Brett Hull scored the “winning” goal while in the crease. It still hurts.

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 13:46

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....Tom Brady sux. That is all.
And if you are wondering why I think that, click my personal info page. Self explanatory.

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Submitted by Butch on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 14:36

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That Mike, some good jokes lately. I forget exactly what you said with the Jeff Norman joke but it was perfect timing. Something like I don't want to hear any trouble out of you.

KeithFan, I'm embarrassed to admit this but I usually skip over Turn on Your Lovelight. I just can't take a half hour! Even 20 minutes is a little rough. But I never like to ignore a strong recommendation from "the reguars" and you are absolutely balls on accurate about Rocking The Rhein. I never was able to get my hands on a copy of 5/24, but thankfully Dave put it on Rhein. I only know a few Allman songs, Jessica and everything from the Fillmore East box set. I hear the similarities in style. That is a great section in Lovelight at 10:05. I must have played it 10 ttimes!

Sorry you guys are having hockey woes. Cubs fan here. Long time Cubs fan.

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Submitted by dreading on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 15:37

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I have an odd way of listening to Lovelight. I usually get into the first 5 minutes and the fast forward to the last 5 minutes. By the way Keithfan, I am familiar with the "doot-doot-doo" part. It's hit or miss whether they play it, going back to even the 60s renditions. Therefore I am not surprised they skipped it a couple of time on the Europe tour. What did surprise me was they only played it 3x. I don't know that box set as well as I thought. If you asked me before today I would have said Pig alternated it with Good Lovin'. Shows you what I know (but I do have the original vinyl pressing of Europe '72). I listened to the 5/24 rendition per your instructions and it's a great through and through. Never again will I FF a 1972 Lovelight. Their jam approach is much different than previous years and I ask myself who was influencing who.

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Submitted by dreading on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 18:05

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That was the point of the Lovelight post, correct me if I'm wrong KF. A lot of us find it tedious just like you Proudfoot, but this one's different because it's shorter and has a sweet spot, and jams differently. Check it out

So on day two of the festival Jefferson Airplane were the headliner...but since hippies can't do shit right as far as orginization goes the show ran way way over...The Airplane had been on for about 20 minutes when the show went past curfew and the cops pulled the plug on it...the band and the crowd were pretty upset. a minor squabble broke out in front of the stage but overall not too bad and we all filed out...there was an athletic field next to the venue and people were allowed to camp there...back at our spot we partied with others until it was time to crash....a few hours later just before sunrise we were woken by loud noises coming from the baseball field...we went to investigate and there was a large flat bed truck with equipment set up on it and generators firing up for power and the frickin' Airplane did a show for us from the flatbed...amazing...one of the coolest things I ever witnessed...nearly 27 years later I was introduced to Jack Cassidy backstage at the first Furthur Tour stop in Phoenix...My pal that introduced me mentioned to Jack about that show and how I had been in attendence...he laughed and said that doing that gig was one of the nuttiest things they ever did...

As much as I loved Pig and seeing Lovelight live I can understand folks not being able to deal with the lenghty raps he laid on the crwod...but have you folks ever heard the edited version from Live Dead? It first appeared on an annual Warner Bros/Reprise Sampler that was usually a double LP and sold for like $2...each edition would have tunes from the label's roster and an edited seven minute version of Lovelight was included on the one titled "The Big Ball" from 1970....If I'm not mistaken the label ended up using that seven minute version on Skeletons From The Closet too...here's a good article on the Big Ball release
https://www.newdirectionsinmusic.com/warner-bros-loss-leader-series-the…

I have a soft spot for them all. They, well to me at least.., are all very special.
But that's just me. Bickershaw is my favorite.. it just jams nonstop.. the transitional piece from Hundred Year Hall is really special, so I love that one too.. almost as much as Bickershaw. ..and I loved 5/25 on today's listen. I do not think any from the tour suffered from excessive rapping/noodling. They were powerful and went places without any wasted time.

I do get what people are saying, but I don't really hear it in April and May 1972.

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Submitted by billy the kid on Mon, 05/24/2021 - 23:40

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I saw Bobby Blue Bland close out the S.F. Blues Festival one year with Lovelight, it was really cool.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 05/25/2021 - 03:38

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My favourites are from Europe 1972, too. The one on Hundred Year Hall is the one I am most familiar with - great feel to it.
My least favourite are the ones that go on past the 15 minute mark-same goes for Good Lovin', for that matter. I like the idea of listening to the first and last 5 minutes of the 1969-1971 versions of Lovelight !
It was probably very different if you were hearing them live in the hall, as they were unfolding. As I've said before, there is a massive difference between what makes a great live concert and what makes a great recording of a live concert.

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Submitted by That Mike on Tue, 05/25/2021 - 05:01

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Did you know, Don Robey, one of the “reputed” authors of “Turn On Your Love Light”, had a very shady reputation, and often published music he stole from writers, using the pseudonym DEADRIC Malone…
Truth is stranger than fiction.

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