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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 20, 2021 - 6:06am

#1351

Angry Jack Straw

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Speakers

Get a pair of the Dominator MX-10s. That will solve the problem.
May 19, 2021 - 10:25pm

#1352

DeadVikes

Joined:
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Carlo

Carlo,

Ha!

Man, we need a box announcement. How about tomorrow or today depending on your time zone. Let's get it out Thursday, May 20.

And stop yelling out songs we already played tonight.
May 19, 2021 - 10:08pm

#1353

carlo13

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Tea

I remember once at a giant's stadium show, I meet this chick who offered me some mushroom tea and being new to this way of consuming shrooms, I sat in my car staring up at the ceiling and realizing I swigged too much. I then started to hear the show beginning but I waited it out till I could contain myself. I finally got out of the car feeling enough time had passed and realized that the music was only a boom box playing a dead tape next to my car. I felt like a total doorknob and never mentioned it to anyone till now.
May 19, 2021 - 9:30pm

#1354

JimInMD

Joined:
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Re: Oro

It sounds to me like your bass cabinets are not tall enough. A standing bass wave is 17 meters in height.. you need bigger speakers, stacks of them, preferably able to play in quadraphonic.. one 17 meter stack for each string of the bass guitar.

That is all. See my previous post on what measures to take to make this problem go away. Don't forget to destroy the credit card.
May 19, 2021 - 5:47pm

#1355

estimating prof

Joined:
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It's the tapes man...

Great discussion going here. I can't resist getting drawn in with my own 2 cents.

Caveat emptor - I am not an audio engineer or expert in such areas. I do listen to a lot of music and grateful dead shows.

My two cents is the audio "distortions" that we have commented on here are in the source recordings of Sept 8 1973.

Why do I think this?

- Dick talked about releasing this show in the 90s and Dave says it's one of his favorite 73 shows, and it was just now released 20 some years later. If you've followed Dave for any length of time, you know that he doesn't release shows with lesser audio quality unless he really has to. He's also too good of a salesman to come out and say "we didn't release this until now because the tape has some issues. Jeffrey worked on it again and says it's as good as it's gonna get, so we're releasing it because it's A Tremendous Show"...Right?

- Seems to me on any given night a recording of a grateful dead concert might not be perfect because those involved in making it were distracted - for any number of reasons.
In the grand scheme of things, it's seems to me much less likely that we would end up with as many really good recordings as we have. They stopped caring about recordings for a lot of the 80s and a lot of those tapes don't have good audio - compared to a Betty board.

- My experience with this release is that the recording of 9/8 sounds significantly different than 9/7.
9/8 was indeed jarring when I first put it on.

All that said, it really is a fantastic and unique show. I've been loving it. I listened to discs 2 and 3 at proper volume with some beverages last weekend and it knocked my socks off again.

Just can't resist a good mystery.
May 19, 2021 - 4:50pm

#1356

Sixtus_

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ORO

I bow to my new sound technician overlord.
What a fantastic and forensic analysis.
Bravo.

Sixtus
May 19, 2021 - 4:38pm

#1357

icecrmcnkd

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Nice work detective Oro

Caveat emptor indeed needed
May 19, 2021 - 4:18pm

#1358

Oroborous

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Sorry/thanks..

I’ll go back to lurking now ; )
GO AVs!
May 19, 2021 - 4:17pm

#1359

Oroborous

Joined:
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Caveat Emptor Indeed!

DaP 38
No doubt Mike, but I think some of us were concerned it was a production issue versus usual GOGD zits and all..
But!,

After furthur review, I think this is just a perfect storm of normal, smaller issues that combined can be very noticeable and thus annoying.
I think perhaps this was a case of a great show, but not the best source? Perhaps the ravages of time were more than they considered, but bye the ticket...once committed, they had to see it through?

Examples you say? Since I spent all day...
$ = quick and dirty references if you don’t want the full report lol ; )
BERTHA starts with usual opening idiosyncrasies that are not part of our focus except in how these “usual” suspects interact and combine with our target issues. Listen though to the snare, and eventually the Hi Hat (that shows up more later). Part of the problem is the snare wires resonating and bleeding through other mics. Then you throw in Bob who’s really loud. It seems his speakers must be set up in front of Billy somewhat as Bobs guitar seems to exasperate the snare problem...
You can really hear this in the quiet just after the song when Bobs banging some chords, listen to the snare wire rattle etc! It gets better but I think it’s a reoccurring ingredient of this aural stew. Bobs level and distortion (both intended and otherwise) are another stew ingredient.
Listen to both guitars and keys during the instrumental section. Think this is more normal type distortion but again, adds sometimes to the stew...

ME & MY UNCLE: more of the same early in especially...I found it useful to use my balance control throughout and it’s often the right channel where the problems mostly live.
By SUGAREE it sounds like maybe some kind of processing added for the snare issue? Early on not too bad, occasionally usual type moments of old R& R tape and/or guitar distortion, but around 6:18 you can hear some noise on the snare roll etc, by 6:23 through 6:33 you can get a good taste of the overall phenomena. But generally the song wasn’t bad.
Status quo fir next couple, LL RAIN I seemed to notice the Hi Hat more prevalent and adding to and getting snare bleed etc. Made me think there’s something up with one of the Drum overhead mics? If so, bleed from everything! would exasperate an issue there? Perhaps another stew ingredient...Bob has some noticeable distortion, perhaps “normal” around 3:45 or so and 4:40+. It overall kind of kicks in on the end chorus’, but not too bad overall.
JACK STRAW not so bad, a little somethin round 3:40 with snare/hat/cymbals?
Also, I think this show suffers overall from the goofy custom condenser vocal mics that add to our stew. Listen to the end of Row J between the 8:30 and 9:00 mark...
Let It Grow is overall not too bad. Get usual Phil spikes occasionally on peaks, and my notes suggest that I’m convinced much of the “problem” here and throughout is Bobs too loud? Not sure if too loud is correct, perhaps he’s playing really loud (it was a big hall with loud NY crowd for that period?) and the recordings fine, your just hearing his rig distort? But though I really dig his sound and prevalence in the mix, cause he’s killing it, perhaps he’s occasionally a tad loud relative to other sources? (Good example in upcoming tape splice)
Oh, and what the hell was that weird “organ” sound starting around 12:55 or so lol, certainly not a B3! Pretty wild whatever it was.
ROLLL OUT the Barrel sounded pretty good lol.
EYES you can get a good taste during the instrumental section around 2:30..and a good example of normal piano clipping (sensitive pickups), but then he switches to ? guessing the Rhodes, which occasionally has its own distortion characteristics, but this is more of what I call normal stuff.
Listen around 9:40+ for what I call FM like static. This is another stew ingredient that is harder to hear, not always there, but there on occasion?
More of the same minor stuff through to about 3:30 in BIG RIVER, though Bob goes way outta tune at 2:25 in GSET and seems to take a few tunes to fully get back lol.
$ LET ME SING is perhaps the best overall example of many things going on on this release. This and $ CHINA CAT are the most obvious examples of the idiosyncrasies on this release. Check out LMS at 2:00 mark and at the end etc.
check out Weirs intro licks to China Cat and some of that drum stuff at 1:30+...eventually it gets better and by RIDER it’s sorta status quo again (meaning instances but nothing huge).
From there on I mostly stopped with notes and just listened, though $ Trucking, GDTRFB etc are good examples of the “stew” especially the blending of the cymbally snare FM static with Bobs distortion whether intentional or not, it all adds up.
EDIT: $$$ end of show especially One Mo Sat is really dirty all the way around, and
TRUCKIN’ TAPE SPLICE? $$ Check out how “it” almost disappears at 4:56, actually something starts to be tweaked a little before that? Bobs not there at all until around 6:00 but he’s back at 6:22. Sounds like a tape splice, perhaps using a cassette, or perhaps some processor kicked in and out, but what’s most interesting is listen to Bob comparatively during these 2 sections, before, during, and after, it’s amazing how much different the 2 sound, especially Bob, and seemingly our phenomena too!
By George I think we’ve figured most of this out!

Conclusion: it’s the battered old tape, complicated by a perfect storm of minor, often normal anomalies, and an unusual Weir mix for good or for ill, and when occurring simultaneously, often during song peaks, it can unfortunately be distracting.
Listening equipment, environment, and personal habits no doubt play a roll in individual experiences. I can see how many folks might not notice much of this.
But on revealing equipment with certain ears it can be so obvious as to be jarring on first occasion.
Like many uncertainties, once the knowledge is gained, the dissonance is usually manageable. Getting better with every listen, though at low volume : (
VERDICT: Caveat Emptor indeed, but with perhaps an extra pinch...

EDIT: this in no way shape or form describes the musical content, which is superb!
May 19, 2021 - 3:09pm

#1360

That Mike

Joined:
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Point Set Match to Oro

Oro - That is quite a great dissertation on sound production! You know your stuff!
I’ve never had the ear of a Brian Wilson/George Martin, and I know Dick’s & Dave’s come with the odd hiccup and blemish, but at the end of the day, it’s The Grateful Dead.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Hockey is the original extreme sport.......

I think I went to a Dead show, and a hockey game broke out......

I saw the Russians vs Bruins, think it was 72, man those guys could skate!

Hockey rockey on!

Doc
The greatest hockey player who ever lived: Bobby Orr, and I love him......

Hockey is the unofficial official sport of the dead....

....and Phish. All members can skate.
I'm amazed at how they can just stand on them, let alone go 30 mph.

and the golden kniggits win!

I trust you had a good time at the game. Vguy

Dap 24

I am playing this at a little beer party and some are saying they have never had this tape and are asking to get them the cd. Unfortunately I just cant lend it because it is like the trader tapes of old. Now you see it, and now you don't. I did tell them to subscribe. That's the best I could do.

Two cool shows.......

Two cool shows from the Fillmore West, 6/7/69 & 6/7/70, both would make great releases.

Vguy

You should go to more games. The GKs look good. The series could easily be 3-1 in your favor.

The Habs? Who knew?

Congrats

Vguy, ya picked a hell of a game to go to!
That first period was amazing, then...not sure what happened?
I don’t like what I’m feelin, my dog sense is all weird, think I need to start barking!

And what about those Habs!
Who’d a thunk it?

Well the joint was jumping....

....going around and round. Maaaan, that much fun should be illegal. My ears are still ringing. I'm hungover, but I don't care. Place was electric. Go Knights Go!!!

Knights

Even I saw that game.. Looked for but didn't see the beard though.

Full House (T-Mobile, Not The Lame Show)

VGuy - You saw a “barn burner”, and a FULL house, to boot. For Toronto’s final game (tear drop), they allowed 500 health care workers in! A nice gesture, but after 24/7 Covid work, it might as well have been 5,000 Nuns,
these folks were too pooped to party.
Regardless, it must feel nice to be back among the “peeps” again, and what a game!!

Oro/Angry Jack - I may have to consider seppuku if the lackey running dogs Habs get to the semi-finals. At least the Isles laid a beating on the Bruins…

(ignorant Deadheads want to know...)

(who are the Habs?)

Habs

Montreal Canadiens.

Coming to your town next season…

Les Habitants

or to us, the Habs

MIKE: careful with that Samurai Sydney....
So if the Habs make it to the finals, and I rooted for em, would you still be my neighbor (cue Fred Rogers)

HENDRIX FREAK: good to see your still out kicking ass!

6/7/69 Fillmore West

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vNVPDAuqamQ. Electric Apple juice backstage, Janis Joplin makes a guest appearance, Garcia kicks it off Dire Wolf. very cool show. This would make a nice release. It's box set time, hopefully a bunch of cool shows from 1969.

major suckage today

son's catalytic converter (the cheap replacement one) got stolen AGAIN.

and today the district's internet connection has taken 7 quaaludes and gone for a swim in a vat of molasses.

grr...

Explanation

I have none. Other than Price, the Habs aren't that good. They had the lowest regular season point total of any team in the playoffs.

My only thought is that the hockey gods are exacting revenge on the Jets for Scheifele's Dale Hunter like hit on Evans. Gotta love it when guys like that whine about their suspension and the "abuse" their families are taking after the fact. Hey Dickwad, it's all on you. Suck it up and deal with it. Evans is out indefinitely because you behaved like a total jackass.

Let's go Isles.

Amen!

cheating at hockey

I only played hockey about twice, back in the 1970s. The best thing about it, as I recall, was tripping people up who were better than me with that stick. Actually ,tripping people up who are better than you is quite a rewarding thing to do in any field of activity.

No Malice, Oro

No problem Oro, if you cheer for the Habs. But around here, it is a definite Hatfield-McCoy thing with them.

Jack - Agree 110% on Scheiffle. He deserves more. It’s funny you mention Dirty Dale Hunter - I knew a bunch of guys that played high level hockey, and a friend of a workmate got a training camp tryout with the Quebec Nordiques, before they moved to Colorado, and Hunter was on the team. Buddy attends camp, had no idea who Hunter was, but thought the best way to get noticed was to take a run at someone. So buddy takes a run at Hunter. Needless to say, about ten less teeth later, he got cut. Sometimes brains and sports don’t mix!

Unrelated, but my Workingman Dead t-shirt is fading like it was printed with chalk, and I’ve worn it maybe a dozen times!! WTF!? Mickey Hart is kinda Ickey Har now. Yet my Egypt 78 shirt keeps going and going. Dear Quality Control…

Sounds like

Daverocks a Bs fan ; )

You know my Workingmans tee will not fade away...

....mine is fading fast as well. Good to see I'm not the only one I guess. Weir looks like a ghost.

That Gainesville item is going fast!

What's hockey?

No T Shirt Problems

It seems different shirts have different styles and print "thickness". My shirts have been great. Halloween (ugh I forget what year- all orange and black with candles); June 1976 yellow and green tie die; PNW greyish tie die with a great print; and DaP 30 black with front cover of yikes bonus disc or the regular release, I forget. All good though after many washes.

T Shirt Follies

I voiced a little frustration on the subject a few weeks ago. Most are cheaply made, quite thin and have sizing and other seemingly third world issues like they got them from the chicklet kids in Tijuana. My Anthem 50th t shirt is so paper thin I don't wear it if I think it's going to rain. I still sometimes buy them but they are honestly some of the poorest quality t-shirts I own. Well.. they are organic, but that's all I see they have going for them.

I would say up the quality and charge a couple more dollars but they are not cheap to begin with. A few years back someone must have said, charge a couple extra dollars and shop for cheaper materials so now they are boxed into a corner. I buy less than I would if they were decent.. so they make more per unit but are likely selling less units.

They need to be made from thicker or more substantial cotton for one, start there. Some of the more recent ones are a little better.. perhaps find a decent vendor and stick with them instead of playing disappearing ink or wet t-shirt roulette by using different vendors with different types of stock/blanks/thickness/ink/etc.

My two cents.

Edit: For what it's worth, the folks at the Jerry site seem to source their shirts from the same chicklet kids. The electric at the eel shirt is seemingly made from milled cotton that is magically just a single atom in thickness. A feat that was previously thought to be a scientific impossibility.

Built To Last

I got the Egypt 78 tee when Rockin The Cradle was released at least a dozen years ago, and this is truly Built To Last. My Stealie shirts have well done graphics, and PNW looks like it just came out of the box. Most have held up well for working or wearing, but I think Workingman’s is going to be a car buffer soon.

Hang in there Isles - you got this! Bruins doth sucketh!

PM's

PM's seem to magically work now whereas an hour ago they hummed and puked. I think they are working on the interface. It should improve with time.

Now back to t-shirts that will not ruin our run for Senate should it rain and they get wet. First world problems, I know.

Washington DC

Now I know you do things a little differently over the pond. For example, you call egg chasing football whereas some people over here call it rugby (or rugger if you're posh)......and hockey, when i was growing up, was mostly played by girls, on muddy pitches with hockey sticks and cricket (weird game where in it's purest form you mostly end up with a draw after 5 days) balls whereas over there the main purpose appears to be battering the f**k out of each other while playing on an ice rink. Now then, I heard on the radio last night that in Washington DC they're offering a 'joint for jab' system whereas over here i've given a thousand or so covid jabs and.......i think i'll just have a little lie down and turn the sounds up....Dick's 7 of course.....while i await the postie to deliver the film version of Oliver Sachs 'The Last Hippie'. OK...... back to your regular scheduled programming about T shirts and stuff.....

Damned hippies...

Washing their t-shirts! That is asking for trouble. We never did that back in the day.

I concur with DocMarty about sports. At school boys played football or rugby in the winter and cricket in the summer whilst girls played hockey or netball (which is apparently a bit like static basketball). As for playing hockey on ice, or polo in a swimming pool for that matter, I can accept that but I can't see it catching on.

It appears that the site has reverted to the version that we were all used to up until a week ago or thereabouts. It has been said that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. This was more a question of if it don't need fixing, break it. When will they ever learn?

Cross country

We also used to have to do what they called "cross country " running in our school. This entailed jogging round some of the roughest back streets of Oldham. Jogging?...sprinting more like. Knowing some form of self defence was essential.

I bought a few Dead tee shirts around 1990, when the Dead came to England. They seem to be pretty good quality, too - I still have them. Enormous sizes I seem to buy. Either that was all that was available, fashions have changed or I have shrunk.

Previous site version back

They must have paid the Bitcoin ransom to the Russian hackers.

Just in time for today’s Box announcement.
Hint, hint Dave. Bring it on.

t shirts

back in the day t shirts were made heavy, thick, 100% cotton and they used name bands, fruit of the loom, haines, beefy, the list goes on. Today, they are made in China, super thin, crappy graphics and don't have the colors, or trippy designs that they used to have. I just purchased some t shirts from liquid blue, a fine brand, used to be, now, no tag which to me is a sign of a thin made in china shirt. They were all very thin, good graphics, only one had a real tag and it was made in USA. I have dead shirts from the 80's that have wear, but are still wearable and look good. And I have worn the crap out of them.
Just goes to show, you don't never know......let the buyer beware.

live shows

The mighty Phil Lesh makes a rare appearance in Asheville, NC with son Grahams' band Midnight North. After checking the set list, I see they did one Grateful Dead tune.
So it looks like the first show I will attend this year will be the same band that I saw just before covid shut down the world. Live Dead is making an appearance this summer back at the same venue I saw them at in March 2020. Last time there were maybe 20 people there, I think there will be a few more there this time. Tom Constanten is still in the band and I am looking forward to some 68-70 dead tunes.

2021 BOX SET - WHERE THE FREAK IS IT?!?!?!?!

I mean really this has been so lame around here for new releases since like December 2020, IMHO!!! How long can they wait to announce the 2021 BOX SET!?!? .....Last year they announced that '76 box in February! Are they seriously holding out on the 2021 BOX news until the Skull & Roses 50th anniversary set is officially released?!?! Has anyone really taken a look at the Skull & roses 50th release- IT'S SO BAD compared to the other other 50th anniversary releases so far.....the "bonus disc" literally has nothing new, and lots of repeats from the original release- WTF?!?! Please get that out of the way so we can get the 2021 BOX SET info out already......hell, at this point there should be some whispers from the bozo guy about what Dave's Pick #39 is for goodness sake?!?!?!?

Winterland June 1977

That website demo was like a bad trip. I'm glad we're Back To Normal. I no longer type off the end of the page into cyber space. Tricksy Hobbits.

Well we're at the anniversary of one of the most popular out of print box sets. I had a good portion of the 6/7/77 show yesterday. I've always dug this Scarlet Begonias with its mesmerizing longer-than-usual opening bit. Also has a pretty good transitional jam from 7:00 - 10:00 mark. This version of Peggy-o went up a few notches yesterday. The piano during Jerry's solo is some intense stuff. Peggy-o is one of my favorite ballads, along with Brokedown Palace, which is on today's show.

Getting back to normal....

....guess this site had a 2020 flashback.

joints for shots

Washington and Arizona giving joints out if you get a covid vax, sure, now they do it. If every state gave out joints for shots, we would be at 70% fully vaxed in no time. Hey Deadnet, if you were to give out joints, I bet you could sell a lot more of that made in Taiwan stuff :)

King Crimson announced their US tour....

....back to normal indeed.
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/king-crimson-2021-u-s-tou…

Anniversary show 6/8/75. El Camino Park

47 years ago today I was down at El Camino Park in Palo Alto, to see a show with Garcia & Saunders, Weir & Kingfish, and the Rowan brothers., what a cool scene. My brothers friend , Jake Pierre, did the poster for the event. In less then one week , we would be at Winterland for the return of the Dead.

My brain likes the return to normal

what's worse than a know-it-all Deadhead?

A grumpy know-it-all Deadhead.

The "grumpy" part has been put aside.

Now where is that box set...

T Shirts

Just received my Grateful Dead gardeners’ t-shirt today (made in Honduras) and it’s really rather good. Great graphic and much thicker than usual. I ordered 2XL as I’ve had XL recently which my new baby great nephew would have trouble slipping into and boy is this one big! It’s white which means it’s probably best not to wear it when actually gardening.

Rough Trade (U.K.) are selling Paris 1972 vinyl edition for a penny under £110 this Saturday. Any left after Record Store in person visits are on sale online at 6 pm. Not sure about splashing out for this as I already have the CD. It’d be interesting to see if they have a booklet with liner notes and photos.

Re: Unkle

I've already been vaccinated seven or eight times, and then I read your post. Well, what's the harm in one more.

kidding of course, happily vaccinated just once but don't tempt me so Washington State!!

The enticement to get vacceeeened

putting up a barrier against Covid was motivation enough back in March

I wonder if Gov Inslee would still give me a "reward"...

prolly not

on another note: go listen to Motorhead's version of Whiplash

you'll be glad you did

audio caffeine

"never stop
never quit
we are Motorhead"

Jim and T-Shirt follies

Organic???

Wasn't cotton organic???

I'm cutting down on the tee shirt buying. I have more than anyone need and half have become work shirts. Biggest thing though is I read an article recently that talk about how these "cheap" tee shirts are filling landfills and becoming a new environmental problem. ........ so I really don't need anymore for now :-)

Jim, I like to see your woodwork. Question,,,, once milled is it cherry anymore?

Shots.

Joints?

I've been traveling around getting shots wherever they're giving "stuff" away. I've gotten several gift cards from states and vendors, a load of free Applebee's meals, a chance to win a new Harley, a chance to win an old Harley, a case of Colt 45 (they were giving these away in inner cities) and if I was just 1 minute sooner I could have scored a Grateful Dead Hatchet! Damnit, back to plan 2.

BTW - Jim when did you say you were going out to canoe?

BTW 2 - Just to mention, Got sent a 2019 show of String Cheese, looks like they did just 1 song , Rosie. It's 75 minutes long!!! Must be up there with the "longest" song.

Website

Was it jacked up,
Or was it Jack Strawed.

Kind of like that 90s bumper sticker,
“Is it Dead or is it Live”.

Billy TK

Damn! You and I were at a lot of the same bay area shows! I was at 6/8/75 El Camino Park also, and I think somewhere I have a tape of the show.

Strider

Strawed.
Definitely Jack Strawed.
Definitely Wapner.

6-tus

p.s. comfy website format = happy spot

Re: Dennis String Cheese 75 min song

The 75 min Rosie, a single song set. An almost unique thing, even in the jamband world. Apart from that one at Electric Forest by String Cheese, the only other single song set I know of is one that Phil says the Dead played during their strip club run, where they played 5 45-50 min sets a night, and one night, they did In the Midnight Hour for a full 45 min set. Phish has done at least one 2 song set, and their longest single song was the 58 min Runaway Jim 11/29/97, and the Disco Biscuits jammed an improvised soundtrack to SpeedRacer for NYE 1999, a 2 hr jam called Akira Jam, but that, too, ended up going into a second song. The other contender for longest single song would be an unknown Jam that the Allman Brothers did as the final encore on 6/26/71 at the Fillmore East, the night BEFORE they closed down the legendary venue with a 75 min set that was pretty good. The mediocre performance of the finale may be attributed to the goings on of that night before, which was the ultimate show moment for Butch Trucks and other members of the band who said when they had played all their songs, and encored with a big Mountain Jam, the audience wanted more, and they came back and did a 2 hour jam that kept going past dawn. When they finished, nobody applauded, they just shuffled out silently everyone mesmerized by the event, with Duane remarking of the solemn departees, "Goddamn, it's like leaving church." And wouldn't you know, there is no recording of that special night. Here's a first hand account of that night, including a great picture he took from the 5th row.
https://duaneallman.com/the-night-they-closed-the-fillmore-down/

moe. is a band that plays really long, but my buddy who's seen them like 40 times seems to think that they can hit 30-40 min quite often, he doesn't recall knowing any hour long excursions on one song. Possibly worth noting String Cheese had never hit 40 min on one song before that Rosie. They've got maybe 25 30+ min jams in 25 years of recordings and 2,000 shows, but will do completely segued sets fairly regularly. And they will open with a 20 min song more than any band I know, but usually they've segued by the time a half hour has rolled around.

The long 30-45 min jam periods of the Dead's career is a neat thing to delve into. Apart from that 45 min Midnight Hour, and a 32 min one 9/3/67 on Fallout From the Phil Zone, not too many known 30 min jams. Not many circulating versions of Viola Lee Blues, either. Dark Star and The Other One weren't regularly approaching 20 min (let alone 30) until '69, and Lovelight would be the big 30-40 min performance. Then Europe '72, and Dark Star and The Other One started hitting 30 min (and now even 40) with regularity until the end of 1974, which was largely the end of the 30 min single song jam. After 1976 even 20 min would be seldom breached by one contained song and jam before a segue. But now with Dead and Co a Black Peter will only *feel* like 40 min.

"Back To Normal"

Keithfan, you did me a solid once and replaced my disc 2 from Dave's Picks 8 after I scratched mine and the Fire On The Mountain skipped. Except the title in itunes wasn't Dave's Picks 8, it was "Back To Normal with the Grateful Dead". Now I read you describing the Website as "Back to Normal" after first describing it as an acid trip. I have theory that you went to the Dave's 8 show, tripped, possibly for the first time, and were relieved you returned "back to normal". Am I close?

Alvarhanso

Thanks for the great read on the Allman’s last night at the Fillmore. What a show that would have been. I recently picked up Dickey Betts’ Official Bootleg Vol 1 - excellent! - and as the knee bone is connected to the shin bone, out came the Allman’s box set “Trouble No More” for a few spins. A great, great jam band, that boasted some remarkable guitarists.

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