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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
August 30, 2012

To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Buckle up buttercups....

....game On!
Hurricanes blow.

RV3 and box set

I'm pretty laid back on new box set releases. Tend not to speculate too much as at least for me just a shot in the dark.
That said the past couple of days I have been getting this deep down feeling they are going to announce very soon. What ,I have no idea and as I said speculating for me is a pure guess.
I would like a humungous box as it's been a while for one. I understand lots of people want small ones, I get it but 30 shows would work for me.
Of course that could be the Greek but as has been said they're not for the most part in releasable shape or even any shape at all. Maybe a clean out the vault of all Europe shows. Personally I could go for an 80's and 90's what's quality how much there is in good shape.
The complaints about each Dave's I would guess gives them pause. Me I compare it to what we used to get trading rather than expecting a full blown professionally recorded with release in mind.
I get the ltd editions music from both a business decision and as a dedicated collector. But gardening stuff lol naw
Anyone looking forward to the new FZ release? Needless to say I am
And my new dentist ( after 40 years the old one called it quits) asked me what tv channel I wanted on. I said the off channel. So they said do you like music?!?!.:@? F yeah can you put some Paul Butterfield on. Uh let me see. 2 hours in the chair ( I'm fixing everything) listening to Butter. And he looks to be 35. Guess I good for life.
Thank God they fixed the site

Snafu

I am also getting lots of dental work this month. Chicks dig nice teeth.

Vguy

Fleury let in a really soft goal to end the first period, but he is saving their asses in the second. This could easily be 3 or 4 to zip.

The Avs are tough. And the Bruins suck.

Edit: 5 minutes later. Wow.

Edit: 15 minutes later. Some of the best hockey I’ve seen in quite some time. Total skill. Hard play. No nonsense. And that Alex Tuch goal was sick.

Congrats Vguy.

alvarhanso

>>>>>>>>> But now with Dead and Co a Black Peter will only *feel* like 40 min.

Made me laugh!!!

Bird Song Fans / Snafu / Dreading

Snafu, I am RIGHT there with you when you proclaim "I would like a humungous box as it's been a while for one". But 30 shows? Really? They've done 30 shows - I say make it 30 + Bonus Disc :D Everyone knows my dream - unleash the Dark Stars. 30 shows with all Dark Stars...ahh, that's as nice to think about as 2 hours in the dentist chair with the nitrous going. Wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-Daaaaaark-Staaaaaar-Craaaaashes-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah-wah.

Dreading - heh, no not quite, but sort of close. You mean Dave's Picks 7 incidentally (I was 6 when that show came out, 8/24/78). The files I sent were titled as such because I can't remember arbitrary Dave's Picks volume numbers (or Dick's Picks for that matter). So I make up album names for each release. DaP 7 was a show in the town "Normal" Illinois, so "Back to Normal" seemed appropriate, as I was referencing coming "home" from a trip :D

I found a nice article on the evolution of Bird Song:

http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2017/03/bird-song-guest-post.html

Re: Game On

This one's for VGuy. All tied up.

Snafu - Damn You

I'm looking forward to the new Frank Zappa,,,, NOW. After you forced me to spend 100 bucks ( I got the vinyl and cd)

Thanks for the heads up. I ordered from Amazon,,, the FZ site showed the vinyl in purple,,,, saw no way to order it in purple?

Carlo - Chicks dig nice teeth,,,, but guys like no teeth.

followup - wormed thru the zappa site and found the purple vinyl. Big diff in price from black on amazon. Amazon 70 bucks free shipping,,, not limited. Frank site 100 bucks, plus 30 shipping,,,, limited. Don't know limited number . But I'm take the limited to not play on a turntable I don't have :-)

Long Song

La Monte Young and The Forever Blues Band

Just Stompin: Live At The Kitchen

2 CD set. One song (one long uninterrupted jam). 120 minutes +.

Fuck yeah!!!....

....I don't know what to do with my hands.
Go Knights Go!!
Need a Tuch sweater stat!
And the joint was jumping.

And i would not feel so all alone..

Everybody must get Stone!!!

'd!!!

Right there with you.

The Dark Horse Rides

VGuy - This Knights team of yours!?!? Holy cow.

AJS/Oro - Now you have unleashed the Habs…on the world!

Could be a Knights vs Habs Semi-Final. (And Boston still sucks, so TB vs Isles)

My Matthews Leaf jersey will join the Workingman’s tee as a car wash buffer

Nappy Rags with the Stone shout out!....

....riding that train.
Edit. Just read Dennis's no teeth joke.
Lol.
Edit x 2. This GD/VGK tee is solid. I've noticed that shirts from Vietnam are better. Wonder what Laos has to offer.. But that's just me.

Dennis

Lp & cd only way to go
I am a bit proud of my Zappa vinyl- I have all but 2 of the verve & verve era vinyl from US, UK, Germany, Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand. 11 different WOIIFTM from US alone

re: Bird Song Schooling & The Territory Ahead

KeithFan, that Bird Song redux/history lesson is something to behold. Whoever writes those is a master listener with utmost patience. The writing is subtle but on-point, and in several descriptors of versions I am familiar with, it seems they are spot-on-point. I had always wondered why they dropped Bird Song after '71 and never touched it during E'72...it seems it's infancy hadn't been broached yet and the rework on the structure perhaps didn't gel or come to thought until they came back stateside. The evolution of the song is remarkable when you read it and also listen; the Good Ole GD have a fantastic way about their morphing abilities to alter a song's structure or tempo over time that is unparalleled.

Shifting gears...the immediate territory ahead, namely 6/9 - 6/15 encompass some of my all-time favorite shows from a favorite year, 1976; of course the June 76 Box from last year was pure elation and delight, it had all of the shows I had always loved in pristine primetime clarity. These shows still get a solid rotation on my end, most notably 6/11/76 - an all-time favorite second set.

BTW that Bird Song essay got me to go listen to 10/12/89 - I had watched this show on YouTube about 2 weeks ago, and I definitively remember being blown away by this one, I was a fairly under the influence by the time it came on but it still stuck with me that something special and truly weird took place. I'm now opening my ears in this visitation to find It again. Oh yeah and the weirdness of the top of the 2nd set is fairly interesting too, in terms of song placement (which is one of the reasons I've developed a soft spot for '89 shows)

https://archive.org/details/gd1989-10-12.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.8329…

Be Well People!
Sixtus

P.S. I'm not a hockey guy but congrats VGuy for your team, the excitement and enthusiasm garnered by All is quite palpable, which is cool to see

On the Zappa subject

A friend has two Argentinan Zappa LP's, El Revancha de Chunga & Ratas Caliente...same covers just the lettering different...

hockey

on treadmill last evening at health club
the bank of TVs has GKvswhomever
whomever scores a goal
I think "Vguy must be annoyed"
I wake up to find out the Knights won
"Vguy must be happy"
and he is

go Kniggits!

CharlesBurris15

you look like a decent enough guy (although that is probably not you)

but please

gtfooh

That box set...

I would be extremely surprised if anything about this year's box set gets announced before the release of the S&R expanded edition on 06/25. Such an announcement would potentially reduce sales of the S&R reissue. I guess we will have to wait at least until next month.

Proudfoot

When Seattle’s franchise drops the puck next season, you will go see a game or two with friends, and you’ll be hooked on Kraken. Actually, Seattle had a team about 100 years ago called the Metropolitans, that competed for the Stanley Cup, so this is kind of a comeback. It is a great sport to watch, great to play, and not just for Canucks anymore. By far, one of the best players I’ve seen in the last twenty years is a kid here in Toronto (Auston Matthews) who grew up in Arizona, which is hardly Hockey Central. It’s an international game now, and it’s a blast to go to the games, because the crowds can be really passionate (see T-Mobile in Las Vegas). I’ve seen games in Montreal, Vancouver, Ottawa, Buffalo (great fans), LA, and too many to count in Toronto, never disappointed. Not shilling for the NHL, but go to a game, you’ll have a great night out.

totally off topic

I'm always amazed at the depth and width of knowledge from this group. Jokingly ask about a 75 minute song and a million answers spring forth.

Question - I'm looking for a piece of software that will allow you to record audio tracks off youtube. I used to have a piece called OPDD (output direct to disk). This recorded ANYTHING that you heard coming out of your speakers. I used to record internet radio stations this way. Something change and that stopped working with new sound card. Then I had a piece that recorded the audio from utube,,, youtube seems to have shut that down.

Anybody out there got something? I like free, there are things for sale (kiss off), you search for software, they say free, they say yeah I can do that, then you download and yeah, free gets you 3 minutes of recording time. Unlimited cost money!!! So I'm too cheap. (this should be apparent, I buy vinyl but I'm too cheap to spring for a turntable :-) )

RE: Box Announcement, Look to the Deadcast

I think that the contents of the next box set will be the focus of the next half of this season of the Deadcast, and that the announcement will come some time in the next three weeks.

The next episode in the bi-weekly schedule comes out tomorrow, and my guess is they will do a bonus episode on Europe '72 in order to hype up the RSD release. Then in two weeks they'll need something else to talk about, and given the sly but not-so-subtle product focus the show tends to take, it wouldn't surprise me if they pick up the season to discuss a recently announced box set.

Dennis

https://www.audacityteam.org/

It’s free.

Dave? Dave? Dave’s not here

Maybe Dave caught covid and couldn’t record a seaside chat for the Box announcement, so the release is delayed until Dave recovers.

box talx

Giants Stadium...wasn't that announced in July '19? or was that in 2018...

Then June 76 was Feb 20?

box will obviously be in summer...or fall...

I have enough GD to last me the rest of my days. I just want more.

Is that so wrong?

My current CD is skipping (7/21/72)

under the under the under the under the

lol

Ice Cream Man

I've tried that one before,,,, I will try again,,,, thanks

further note - I redownloaded that software. I always seem to have a problem with my soundcard stuff. My bose speakers use usb and I believe shutdown the other sound output options,,, short word,,,, audcity not up and running yet,,,,, still working on it. May have to uninstall my bose and try again. will post further word when available,,,, thanks again

Totally Off Topic, Parts 2, 3, & 4

Long Song-Mike Oldfield "Incantations", all 4 sides of a double album. Contains some real nice American Indian-like rhythms and chants(among LOTS of other things).

Sixtus-maybe you're not a hockey fan, but nice restraint from you regarding all of the anti-Boston Bruins stuff being posted. Personally, I'm a hockey fan, and from Medford Mass, but the name calling stuff just doesn't bother me in the least. (And Bobby Orr WAS GREAT!! Thanks Doc)

If anyone is looking for a fantastic lysergic-style listening experience, I highly recommend "The Third Mind" cd, with Dave Alvin and friends. Covers of Alice Coltrane, Fred Neil, Bonnie Dobson, Butterfield, and 13th Floor Elevators. Extremely psychedelic, extremely enjoyable. It's a 2020 release, easily gettable on Amazon. It's on solid repeat on my home stereo. Been a while since I've heard something "new" that's this fresh and exciting.

Music is the Best!!

Box talk

Dave mentioned in one of his talks, that they already have the box sets picked out several years in advance. I think if this box set doesn't come out until Aug, and is tied to MUATM, it will be a 1989/1990 box set. It will have a DVD offered, like the Giants box. It seems like they have filmed a lot of those 89/90 shows. Maybe the 89 Alpine shows, I don't know much about them but people seem to really like them on here. I personally would like a 1969 box or the Complete Oct 1974 Winterland shows released. The Oct Winterland shows would probably be more likely, and would sell out very fast.

Giants Stadium Box

Hey PF,

The Giants Stadium Box was announced on August 1, 2019, and was tied in to the MUATM with the 91 show that was in the box.

Wasn't there some word that there would by a MUATM this year?

Long Song

One of the recent Owsley Stanley Foundation releases, “That Which Colors The Mind”, by Ali Akbar Khan, had only 2 “songs”, one clocking in at just under 74 minutes. Pretty mystic stuff, too.

Mr Ones - I’m intrigued by your report on “Third Mind” by Dave Alvin (you must be the individual “from Boston” raving about it on Amazon?), always open to trying a new sound. Thanks for the heads up. And yes, Bobby Orr is a great guy. Met him years ago at a GM function (I worked there, he was a spokesman), a very decent guy. The Bruins still suck, but Orr’s a good guy! ;)

Alpine 89 will be the box

I just sense it. I just sense it.

that and a dime will get you...not much.

BOX US UP

SPRING '69 OR FALL '72

Mr. Ones unoffended by name calling stuff....

....same here. I'm pretty good at dishing out some trash talk when the mood hits me just right!

MUATM

please...I hope it happens this year fo'sho'

Oh yeah!

Thanks for the June '76 reminder, sixtus.

Long Song

Canned Heat - 1968 - Refried Boogie going 42 minutes - from Living the Blues

Long Island Islanders were on a mission....

....now Vegas needs to wrap this up tomorrow so we can get the 3rd round schedule already!!
Spinning Dave's 38 in celly.
Edit. Hey That Mike! If you ever find yourself in the sweltering heat that is Vegas during hockey season, look me up.

So long Boston

The Isles were fired up, and after that third Islander goal, all the wind went out of the B’s sails. Hey Bruins fans, you are great sports to take all the ribbing so well. Now the AVs & the Knights have a thing or two to settle!

VGuy - Absolutely I will look you up if down that way, thanks. I’d love to see a game with THAT crowd at T-Mobile! Amp is definitely turned to 11 there! One city I could not get tix when I was there was Detroit. I’d go for employee courses, but never could score tix. HockeyTown, right?

Quick Gordie Howe story. He is doing an autograph session at one of the large department stores in Toronto, maybe a book signing. I’m in the area, I see the sign outside the store. Yea, I’ll make time for Mr Hockey, the guy Gretzky idolized. Stand in line, Howe is mid to late 60s at this time, looks like he is wearing his kid’s suit, all seams are popping at his arms & shoulders. Now, put your right index finger in the palm of your left hand. That’s what it looked like when I shook this guy’s catcher’s mitt of a hand. My name is easy to spell, but when it came time for the autograph, I wanted no trouble with Howe, so I gave him my friend’s name, a really common name. My friend still has the autograph. Howe in his prime would have been a scary sight to come barreling down on you in that Red Wing jersey, but a heck of a good man, and a legend. I’ve met lots of famous people because I’m a whore for that stuff, but he is definitely in the Top 3.

no offense, That's Mike, but "Mike" is pretty easy to spell

hahaha...ha...

I have a career in stand-up, don't I?

Fun fact. Australia's biggest export is boomerangs....

....it's also their biggest import.

Mike

Similar story.

Almost 20 years ago, Bobby Hull was doing an autograph signing to raise money for the local hockey team. He had to be about the same age as when you met Gordie Howe. I took my one year old daughter to get a picture. I was surprised at how few people were there. We got to speak for about 5 minutes. I shook has hand and it felt like every bone was going to snap. A crushing grip. I don't think most people understand just how big and strong these guys are.

Vguy, as an incentive to you, if your GKs pull it off, I'll change my photo to a picture of my mom with Alex Tuch. It will give you a better idea of just how big he is.

Congrats to the Isles. I'm a huge fan of Barry Trotz as a coach. Well done boys.

re: Importer Exporter; 6/10

Vguy you got me mining this one up for a good guffaw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnIKiNAupRs

6/10/76 Spinning this AM from the mighty June '76 Box; incidentally it's also my Nameday so it's a special show in my heart. I was 3 when they did this one. Still feel only slightly beyond that age to this day ha ha. Well maybe more than slightly but not much more.

Be Well People!
Seventy-Sixtus

Nice Guy Celebs

I was on a flight from Pit to somewhere on the West Coast about 10 or more years ago. I had an aisle seat the second row in coach, behind the bulkhead and the first row where you could put luggage under your seat. The guy boarding with me looked remarkably like Franco Harris, hall of fame Pittsburgh Steeler and was seated on the aisle in same row across from me. Some woman in the bulkhead row, the next row up, put all her luggage (including her laptop bag) on the floor under her feet.. where you cannot put luggage. The plane filled up and during the checks.. they told her to stow it in the already crammed overheads or had to be checked. She had to check it all and threw a fit.. that her computer cannot be checked. Under-spoken and polite he told the flight attendant she could put her things under the seat in front of him. I'm 6'4" and he is almost as tall as me.. that tiny space to cram your legs and feet for a tall person on a cross country flight is treasured space. He gave it up and didn't complain a bit on a cross country flight.

Super stand-up guy. I couldn't believe how nice he was and sitting in coach with us mortals. Sat next to Dan Marino once too.. I was upgraded that day, he was quiet but also seemingly very nice. ..like you can ascertain such things in brief and chance encounters..

Anyway.. that's all I got. Back to your regularly scheduled Dark Star>China Cat>The Eleven.

Nice guy celebs....

....Darren Waller, the tight end for the Raiders, came in to my work last week. Got a selfie with him. I asked him to go easy on my Dolphins when they meet this season. He said "I can't promise that. I have bills to pay you know."
Seemed like a down to earth dude.
edit....not a fan of the Raiders relocating here. Their fan base is toxic.

Last Name

Proudfoot, so is my last name, very easy to spell - “Van Bermanelkoatzeven” - but I wanted no trouble with Big Gordie. I opted for my friend Dave Watson. I also got Watson a Dan Ackroyd autograph, but I spelled my name for him, so he could sign my wine bottle.

AJS - It would have been great to meet Hull! A childhood hero. A friend got me a gig at the Hall of Fame induction a few years, lots of rich women and hockey guys mixing around the trophies. Some of them are pretty decent guys. I agree on Trotz, great coach, and a doppelgänger for Edward G Robinson. “Why I outta…”

Jimi - Love the Franco Harris story. It’s neat when fluke brings you into the celebrity circle, and I know they say you shouldn’t meet your heroes, you’ll be disappointed, but most of the celebs I’ve met were pretty nice, no pretence.

VGuy - AJS has thrown the gauntlet out, and a pretty good bonus to boot. That goal of Tuch’s the other night was, as James Brown would agree, “dynamite!!!”

That's Mike...

ah. that is a fun last name.

people have enough difficulty with my last name. They must have a stroke with yours.

Spongebob reference..."Smitty Werbenmanjensen"

Thank you Mister Ones

.... you can stop twisting my arm now! I bought The Third Mind after the verbal beating you administered, I could take no more and had to buy cd & vinyl (first edition version,,,,, standard never good enough for me)

But really quite a lineup in that group, the sample sound was sounding great! I bought them from Bandcamp vs Amazon,,,, really a better deal going on there. I need to set up the account to get the digital version OR I can just wait until the cd arrives.

Another great heads up from the group,,,, thanks!!

PS - don't tell the wife!!! ............................................. Please!!

Kracken that ass

Hey Mike - pumped for the Seattle Kraken. The Metropolitans were the first US team to win the Stanley cup. Also, ironically, they would have likely won a second straight had not the series been cancelled due to......the Spanish flu!

I'll throw this guy out...

... last night my cohort was playing the Celtic Station and this guy Seamus Kennedy went by. He's plays acoustic strings and sings Irish songs. I liked him, hope someone else will :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KlSXNmHW_8

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