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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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  • Angry Jack Straw
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    Ithaca is indeed a very cool place.

    Based on the timing of your post, you have likely left for Buffalo. I would’ve given you some other places to check out. Feel free to send me a PM if you would like.

    It’s unfortunate that Canadaland is still closed. The falls are something to behold from that side. Also, Niagara on the Lake is a neat little town.

    And the Anchor Bar is overrated for wings. Duff’s is decent and is right on your way to the falls.

  • alvarhanso
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    Barton Hall, Ithaca Falls, and other watery adventures

    So found myself Truckin' up to Buffalo with the wife and her wonderful sister, her awesome husband, and my fantastic teenage niece. So far, since they arrived last Wednesday, we have taken in a trip to Newport, RI for some good food at a place called the Red Parrot we ate at a few months ago, and took a quick walk down to the sea at the Cliff Walk. Then drove back home outside Boston, slept, then off to Falmouth and a ferry to Martha's Vineyard. When we got there, we decided bikes in the heat and humidity would kill those of us well beyond the thought of in shape, and thus rented a Jeep. After lunch at a packed spot, where at one point a very soft acoustic guitar and bass began the familiar rhythm of Scarlet Begonias, then a soft female voice sang it. Hard to hear over the din of the restaurant, but unmistakably Scarlet. But food down our gullets, we proceeded to cover most of the island in several hours. (Several hours of this idiot foregoing sunscreen and the top in the Jeep. Though, at least I wore my hat to protect the bald pate.) We saw several lighthouses, but fog shrouded much else. Though some cliffs were visible, just nothing beyond 20 ft of the water or so, but the sun appeared in spots. We ferried back, and today we set out for Niagra Falls, and in the search for something to do on driving day, I suggested we stop for waterfalls in Ithaca and Barton Hall for a quick few photos.

    What a great decision! There is something really fantastic about Cornell and Ithaca. The college is situated on top of a large hill overlooking a valley carved by glaciers, and the massive Cayuga Lake behind it. Seeing it behind the lake on the way out was just magnificent, you could get a better idea of the grandeur of the architecture or Cornell. Barton Hall itself is a giant track and field brick barn. It looks like an acoustical nightmare, as Bob Weir himself said it was. But it sits neatly among these awe inspiring buildings on a campus that has produced incredible things in a variety of fields and done so for a long time. I think that partly has to do with the idyllic setting. If you ever have the chance to pass that way, do yourself a favor and go through campus and check it out. Peek in the window, and imagine the crew setting up for the show. Peer up at the scaffolding in the ceiling and think of the dying chords of Morning Dew reverberating their last on that Mother's Day evening... Right after that we went to the Ithaca Falls, which is right down the road, and behind the campus. Walking down a little gravel strewn path for a couple hundred yards towards an intensifying roar of water thundering down 156' falls gives you a sense of the power of a place like this. But tomorrow those falls shall be eclipsed by those at Niagra.

    Back on the road following our visit to the site of the mind control experiment, when it came my musical selection I chose Jack Straw from Cornell. I wanted Scarlet, but they would have balked at 12 min, so went with Jack at 6. As it played, I found I could picture them playing it there in a way I really couldn't before.

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    So.....Mystery #2 Solved

    It bothered the heck out of me when I saw the Dark Star date was 10/12/68, because......where is Pigpen with his repetitive keyboard melody? (this is what had me guessing as late as 1970). Went to archive.org to look at the show and read "Notes: Pigpen was absent".

    The world is back to normal.

  • billy the kid
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    39 years ago today, I was down in Ventura for the 2nd show of the weekend, it was the first year the Dead would play in Ventura. They brought back Crazy Fingers on this day , they hadn't played it in awhile. I'm sure there are enough good shows from Ventura to make a great box. Ventura, Greek, and Frost, not a single release yet, I tell ya, a lot of those shows seemed pretty good to me at the time.

  • proudfoot
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    Greek box

    O sure woI'll ld like that.

    I sure would like that.

    I heard 6 22 86 set one for the first time earlier today. Glorious Greek energy.

  • KeithFan2112
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    Thanks Guys

    Jim, SDUBBZ03, sounds like you guys concur on 10/12/68. Thank you also Mr. Ones DOC for your input. Even better that I can go through the 30 Days of Dead pick it up. It was one of those deals where I stumbled upon it and normally wouldn't have paid much mind to it, but I thought it was just really really extraordinary good. So then the hunt began, but I didn't have it on my phone on any of the official releases or the many soundboard dark stars I have uploaded to it. And of course I don't have 30 days of dead on my phone. That may change soon, because I also just recently found a much better recording of Bird Song from 9/10/72 on 30 Days of Dead.

    I ended up putting together a bunk bed set today and haven't had a chance to grab this elusive Dark Star, but I did listen to it a bunch of times on the YouTube video. It will be in my Jam playlist by sunset.

    I used to have software to do that kind of editing and crossfading. Made a couple of cool Pink Floyd mixes about 20 years ago when CD burners were all the rage. I'm looking for some kind of comparable software do that with now. I would love to meld together a mix like this again.

  • JimInMD
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    Yea.. it's 10/12/68.

    I was like Eureka.. then refreshed the page and saw someone beat me to it..

    Great show.

  • Mr. Ones
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    Dark Star

    I compared this to the 9/2/68 Dark Star from Betty Nelson’s Organic Raspberry Farm, based on Doc’s observations. It compares favorably, so I’ll say sometime between Sept.-Nov. of ‘68.

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    Dark Star crashes...

    I think the mystery dark star is from 30 DOD 2019. 10/12-13/68 would make a nice box either way. Late 89 sounds good.

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    89 complete box with vids!!
    I’ll take 2 lol
    MORE 89! Philly anyone?

    PF/Dave’s Text: 😂

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Proudfoot - I was only goofing on my last name. It’s actually only 5 letters, of Irish derivation, but amazing how often it gets misspelled or mispronounced, so I went with Dave Watson, because I knew he’d like the autograph, and it’s an easy name to spell.

Burnsy - Glad to hear you are getting pumped for the Kraken! I’m trying to get Proudfoot hooked on Kraken, too! You are very right about the Seattle Metropolitans winning the Stanley Cup, but I didn’t know about the Spanish Flu putting an end to them, that’s really interesting,. Also kind of weird how we are 100 years later, battling the Kung Flu, and here Seattle hockey rises from the ashes… (cue: music)

Mr Ones: You sold me on The Third Mind, too! I had purchased stuff from their company before - Yep Rock - so I’ll likely order from them, or Bezos if I have other stuff to get. Played them on YouTube (loved the Fred Neil tune), and you weren’t kidding - really spacey stuff, but great jams that go places, not just meander. Thanks for the recommend!

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Mike, that's actually not me on Amazon recommending The Third Mind. I got my copy from the local record emporium. And for the record, I am a Capitals fan, so I have 47 years of sucking/choking/repeated disappointments Etc.(plus one Cup!!)
I was in the music selling business for 22 years, mostly retail, but also mail order and wholesale. I got to meet dozens of musicians, most of whom were truly nice and down to earth. The absolute most humble and easiest to talk to were Steve Miller, Al Green, Alice Cooper and Peter Gabriel.
The biggest dick(and if you read his book, you'll understand) was John Fogerty. I truly love his music, but he was the whole ass.

Mr Ones - That’s cool you got to meet all those musicians, and even better that they were good dudes. I’m not surprised about what you say about John Fogerty - I read his book, and thought this guy has a major ego issue, then I saw him on a solo tour, and he is laying into Jerry and the Dead like they were a bunch of out of it weirdos, which I thought at the time really blew. Who gets on stage and does that!? A-hole.

As for the Caps, I went to see them the play their first season, 1975(?) when they won like 12 games or something, so bad they made the Leafs look like giants. The upside? They are way better now, and always in the mix. Just a bit of a choke come playoffs, but a hard team to take down.

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At The R'nR HOF Dinner for CCR's induction, Fogerty told the Foudation he wouldn't accept the award or perform if other band members were involved, which of course included HIS OWN BROTHER!!! They had to sit like idiots in the crowd as he went and accepted and then did a medley of CCR with other musicians, Springsteen included...Screw him, Screw the Foundation for caving in...and screw Springsteen and all the othe musicians who helped this slimeball behavior...And so Stu Cook and Doug Clifford had to sit there and eat it in front of the industry...

Oops ...edit job...Stu & Doug did go onstage for the award but were not allowed onstage for the Musical performance...Tom had passed away a couple of years earlier and the Brothers were on bad terms when he passed...

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....beat Vegas in the Stanley Cup finals in 2018. I'm not too mad, because Ovechkin deserves a cup. Just wish they didn't put Tom Wilson's name on it. Guys a POS.

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Grateful Dead chatter! (instead of hockey talk) :)

The past four months I made my first "serious" foray through the two Spring '90 boxes. I had dabbled before, but had never done the complete shows in order. I gave myself tons of time, knowing that there was no way I could do the tour on its anniversary dates. I heard some playing that really excited me, but was surprised at how much of the best material had been released before the boxes came out. March 15th and 24th were already out there, as was the Scarlet-->Fire from 3/22, as well as the most interesting songs from the 25th and 26th. And the Branford material had been available in high-quality bootleg formats forever.

What I'll likely do is make some compilations (gasp!) of the best of the rest, as I cannot imagine that I'll listen to every moment of that tour again. The first show (3/14) is a burner, and will be cranked in totality again, but I'll probably make some "shows" culled from many shows' highlights.

And I'm officially done with "Victim". I'm hitting 'Skip' on that one for the rest of my listening years . . . :-O

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Listening to this one today for the anniversary. Pretty good soundboard. I've never listened to the whole thing, only the Dark Star and Bird Song. I've decided I can't wait any longer for them to release this. I usually try to wait for the big shows to be officially released so that I can hear them for the first time with the "Full Norman" treatment.

I'm officially (finally) annoyed with the website. I decided what the heck, I'll submit my story of when I got on the bus for that Deadcast promotion they have going. It says you can write up to 250 words, but it stops letting you type in the box after 250 letters. The irony is that I considered submitting my story a couple of times and said nah, don't feel like it. So I finally gave it the thumbs up and typed 250 of the most interesting letters I could think of, and then kablam - no more typing allowed in the box.

Vguy good export / import joke - almost as good as the ahem...two religious leaders who get pulled over by the police.

Jimbo - you're 6'4"? That's some height I wish I had. I just figured everyone here was 5'9" like me.

Sixtus - happy birthday dude. You love June '76! Just wait until tomorrow's 6/11 show, which I assume is your favorite in the box.

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this summer

if they announce it as the next Daves (hahahahahahahahaha), I will wait. Otherwise...

years ago I listened to it lysergically on a cassette walkman walking around Seattle's Green Lake.

WOWOWOWOWOWOW. That was a special time.

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....I am also 6'4". Not always the greatest though. Was running late for work the other day and didn't pay attention to my garage door opening. Needless to say, there was some blood.
And you remember that joke? That was a long time ago. Good memory!!
Happy Birthday Sixtus! Another trip around the sun completed. Tequila shots all around!!!

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Yep, anniversary of one of my favorite shows of all time. Had to listen again to this today and hoping someday somehow this will be released (sigh...). WE need a miracle everyday.

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Happy, happy, joy, joy to Sixtus, a Bday and 45 year favs anniversaries to boot!

6’4”, that’s pretty tall! I used to be 6’2” but now I’m closer to 6’....only good thing about being tall was on the floor at GA Dead shows etc!

FAMOUS FOLKS: have met several, have worked in several of their houses (never meet them only their peeps), off the top of what’s left of my head, I’d have to say Rick Danko was always a ridiculously nice guy! Had the pleasure to work with them in the mid nineties and he was always super nice and friendly!
Generally, I’ve found that celebs just like being treated like regular folk, their just people like the rest of you, of course I’m a dog, WOOF!

Go Isles! Sorry to our Mass brethren, just goofing round trying to have fun, no offense meant, though I still hate the Pats and Bs, always dug the Celts and Red Sox though... ; )

I can’t believe the AVS blew that game Tuesday. Now the Knights certainly played hard, and capitalized on opportunities, and they deserved to win, but the AVS coulda, shoulda won that game. Oh well, as Chris Bermen used to say “that’s why they play the game”...think it’s over now...don’t see the AVs going into the fortress and winning, the knights seem more juiced and the force there is just too strong! They needed to take care of business at home...at least it’s been an awesome series so far and the refs haven’t muffed it too much. Well good luck Vguy, it should be another beauty eh!

Sorry to the non-hockey folks, it’ll be over fairly soon and it’s been a tradition here for years.

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Jesse Jackson
Dan Quayle
Shook hands with Bill Clinton
Bobby McFerrin
Anita Hill

6' 1" myself

Hah kee

Happy birthday Sixtus!!!

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....the fortress is loud AF.
Sorry, not sorry. As oroborous said, this hockey talk will be over in a month.
In the meantime, maybe we can recruit some new hockey fans!
And no. I'm not there. Tix get more expensive as the series go on.

A triple deflection?....the gods have spoken!
Congrats VGUY!
Habs Knights? Could be interesting.
If the knights can sustain the energy, they’ll be tuff to beat.

Viva Lost Wages Baby!

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What exactly does a triple deflection exactly mean. Do we have three more spies (web builders) then we did yesterday? Is Hockey code for deflections from Russia, through Canada to eventually write shitty code and muck up our website? (edit: Oh, not a triple defection, triple deflection.. nevermind)

Actually I saw that play. It was exactly then that I realized I am doing the wrong drugs to even watch this sport. It's better suited for younger, coke or meth addicted fans. I was watching that play, by god.. and I completely missed the goal. It was only when they slowed down the replay that I was able to see what happened. And in all honesty.. It wasn't until the third replay, played.. eeexxxtrrraaaa sslllss.lllow that I saw what actually happened. Where I come from we call that blind luck aka dumb luck. I guess that's part of the sport. But hey, I hear they plan a lot of GD during games during intermissions. That's good enough for me.

Seriously.. great game, great triple deflection. Congrats VGuy.

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I hope that Owsle y has a copy of this tape, because I would love to hear it, and hopefully it will be released one day. Owsley was taping all the Dead & NRPS shows at the time, so I dont see why he wouldn't have taped this show. Bears Sonic Journals say they have Dead tapes, so I would like to think that this is one of them.

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I'm with you jim,,,, I could care a rat's ass about any sport, but hockey WAY to fast. I just watched that play and yeah at normal speed looked like blind luck to me. Slowmo,,,,, still blind luck :-)

FYI - I don't care if people banter about the hockey games (to a point :-) ), nothing wrong with a flowing conversation among friends about common interest. Yeah Habs???

Back to Dylan.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KlSXNmHW_8

Sorry for the repeat, but I really, really love this cut. I think I have it set to start at 37 minutes. But start at about 37 minutes for a tune called Nancy Whiskey. Love the tone of this one. I have Joni doing it, meh?!?!

This is the best version I've found over night and I never heard of this song.

Sorry for the repeat.

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Congrats VGuy for what sounds like an otherworldly comeback win in the series for your team. Who knew ICE in Vegas could produce ANYTHING other than liquid???

Thanks also peeps for the Nameday shoutouts and mental projections this way!

Currently spinning 6/11/76 as we all should be, today.

Be Well People!
70-Sixtus

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Well done and congratulations. Down 0-2 in games and down in the third period of game three against the mighty Avs. Very impressive.

Before the playoffs started, I pledged my allegiance to Canadaland. However, as these events have unfolded, I cannot in good conscience go against your GKs.

As promised, attached is a picture of mom with Alex Tuch. She is (or was) roughly 5'6". He's a big dude.

Sir James. Hockey is a fast sport. Very fast. And the goalies are better than you think. It's not like soccer where the goals are 50 feet wide. It's tough to get the puck past them. That's why you are taught at a very early age to deflect the puck. Your chances of scoring are much better when the shot changes direction. Even more so when it changes three times.

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I hope my comment about hockey talk didn't ruffle anyone's feathers; I used a smiley face after my comment to indicate the light-heartedness of my intention! :)

Since it IS playoff time, and since I DO live in The State of Hockey, I'll try . . .

Boy, that new kid for the Wild is pretty good, eh?

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I don't have a horse in this race but your team seems to be bringing you much joy, congrats.

KF you are right it was Dave's Picks 7. I guess I need a title system like you. What do call the others?

Sixtus happy nameday. Thanks for the June 1976 reminder. I haven't given that one a listen since it came out.

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I wonder what the 3 releases will be that Dave talked about? Obviously, one will be the box set, if the box set is tied to MUATM, it will probably be an 89, 90, or 91 box with a dvd, or hopefully an Oct 74 box with videos. The other two released, will probably be Bears Choice 50th and Wake of the Flood 50th. I just hope they release full shows for both these releases, a full 1970 & a full 1973 show for both releases.

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I agree that Skullfuck 50th is one of the three releases and the box that we all assume is coming is another of the three. I doubt that Dave's Picks counts so the third could well be a stand alone single show release. That could be 3 CDs and a DVD/BR video. Whatever, bring 'em on! Ark ark.

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I agree, most vendors have cut back on the quality of the shirt...if someone advertises their probuct as "soft" you can bet it's a paper thin product...here's a vendor I've gotten a few shirts from over the past couple of years and they are all excellent heavy duty cotton...they have a rotating weekly offer page as well as a regular stock selection...I've gotten an Atco 45 label of "Crossroads" by Cream tee, an "East West" LP cover by Butterfield tee and a couple of Zappa and Jimi tees as well...good stuff from the UK
https://www.djtees.com/collections/new-limited-editions?goal=0_afe502c3…

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Me thinks box set announcement will come in July and ship September/October. Dave’s subscription typically goes on early bird sale in October/November. It would be impolite to announce the box at the same time.

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Good suggestion. Been doing highlights of the box. Presently listening to 6/11/76 Eyes Of suggestion. Audio on these shows is top notch. The 6/10 Cassidy has some kick-ass drums in there somewhere, I forget which part.

Yeah Vguy, glad to hear the Knights are progressing. It gets harder to watch the longer they're in....

Man I hope the box set is in my wheelhouse.

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Actually Dave spoke, I just listened ; )

EDIT: “Aaaa, Dave’s not here man”

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Hope all are well. Always reading in chunks and really comment much. Question: How many use talk to text versus my old as typing on an IBM Selectric?

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hope all is well, to answer quickly from 2 months back.

Yeah at Buckeye Lake I do actually think I remember you. I only remember a few tapers in front or on side in front of board, but 2 of them being me and then another friend several feet to the left.

Question: I few years ago I posted about to the name, and the person said there are 2 Oro's. Was that true at all or just one. It would be two if, you didnt post about making a ceramic oroborous and then giving that to Jerry when you met him at a restaurant near a show somewhere?

Was that you?
A psychedelic dream?
Speaking of which I recently dreamed I was sitting around talking to Gene Simmons about health insurance. It was a blurred but fiesty debate...

A week or two back someone posted about your dog eating its tail...obviously the name. Have not gone back to see actual post today. To me, it looks like the dog from "A Dog's Purpose." Cant remember the name though.

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Mary Elephant

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The other day I DL'ed an AUD of Folsom Field '80...nowadays I don't often grab AUD's unless it was something I was at...I wasn't at this show but what grabbed me was the 1st Set opener, an Uncle John's Band > Playin' In The Band >
Uncle John's Band sandwich that goes for 20 minutes...tasty start...And sometimes I just enjoy hearing a great AUD on my headphones, especially Ventura shows where I can hear the breeze and smell the ocean...

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Oroboros made the ceramic sculpture.

Oroborous is the current regular here.

Gene Simmons and health insurance?
Wow!

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