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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
August 30, 2012

To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

3 releases

Tomorrow’s vinyl release probably counts as one.

IceCream

thanks, your memory is good. When talking of Buckeye a few weeks back thought it was you there but read the post that it wasnt. Thanks for the answer, so sorry i am constantly behind. I am getting there but folks are really gettin there and I have to help some...

Wake of the Flood 50th bonus material

Billy the Kid raises a good question: will it be a full 1973 show? Are there really 2cd shows in '73? My vote would be 2/9/73 for all the debuts and its general magnificence. Awaiting Skull and Roses, which will be cool, never had a physical copy of that one. But really looking forward to trying my hand at Record Store Day tomorrow to get 5/3/72 Olympia Theatre, Paris. My first time to stand in line, if there is one, for RSD anyway. I've only done two other RSDs, and that was because I had a band playing. The second time, I was sure I didn't need to stand in line for Billy Breathes, Phish's best album, but was sorely mistaken, as it sold out quickly, and the owner had gotten maybe a dozen copies. I've called around to several places tonight and it may be dicey. The clerks on the phone seem to think the pricing may be prohibitive to selling out in the first hour... For anyone else venturing out tomorrow morning, may the force be with you!

Nappy

I always loved their 1980 folsom field shows. Still have a couple of great audiences of those. They were fired up pretty good for their 15th. Somewhere I have an audience pict in front of sound board.

Best I can do...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/69/24/66/692466415e7dd3066824839be4aa90e…

Gary Farseer and the Gene of his Dreams

Wow, I had a dream last night,,,, based off all the hockey talk and meeting famous people. I have never met anyone, but last night I dreamed the famous hockey player came in the store,,, Franco Harris!

When I woke up I thought, wasn't he a football player?

He had big hands!

The thing about RSD GD Vinyl

You can sometimes obtain an unopened copy 9-15 months later for less than the original selling price.
But not always, which is the gamble that must be assessed.

But what really boggles the mind is that this one has yet to sell out, although it’s priced more than what I paid at a local shop when it originally came out.
Did they print more copies than what it says on the release, or did people just not want it?

https://store.dead.net/music/lp/fillmore-west-san-francisco-ca-2-28-69-…

Re: RSD GD

Not wanting to take that chance on a Europe '72 show. Plus, the 2/28/69 vinyl is a special case, because they royally screwed that release up. It was "released" to record stores, but not shipped to them before orders were placed. It wasn't an RSD thing where product was delivered with instructions not to sell until RSD, so some stores were fulfilling months later, while others seemed to have gotten physical copies and shipped them out. I had 3 different orders for it, 2 of them canceled by the store, the last canceled by me after the 4th order came in from England. And I had placed the orders in June I believe and received in September, and the very next day dead.net put them onsale here. For more than I paid. And to make matters worse, 3/1/69 seems delayed by 2 years...

RE: Gary Farseer

Hola, good to see ya, hope your doing well!
As Conekid said the “other one”, my bazaro Jerry alternate double, is the Sculptor with the cool older stories than thou.
Unfortunately, we haven’t heard from my good twin in way too long! If your out there amigo, hope your doing well.
Or SKULLTRIP? Where you boys at?

As I think I explained, at Buckeye 88, I had just broken my ankle so was kinda over the top on “snacks” and kinda miserable. It wasn’t the best place for crutches lol. We were just to the sorta front right of the soundboard.
That show has really grown on me over the years.

DENNIS 😁

WOTF Bonus; wondering if he’ll do a chop job?
You’d think he’d go with I believe 9/15 or 9/17, since they have six songs off the yet to be released WOTF album.
There both pretty good shows too! Personally I like the horns once in awhile as it’s yet another version of the band, but I feel like most people slag em. They would be the most appropriate, but as we’ve seen so far his/their idea of this and ours are often very different lol.

FOLSOM 15th: had a decent tape of the second set that I loved as a kid. Haven’t heard that show in forever.

Re: Three More Releases/Oroborous/Seaside Chat/Fugitive Dave

Thanks man.. for reposting the Skull and Roses Seaside Chat and clarification on remaining releases. If I am hearing this correctly, he says besides the four Dave's Picks there are three more or at least three more.. but he doesn't feel an urgent need to discuss this, not being secretive, etc. because Rhino does such a great job announcing these releases, yada yada.

So if there are an additional three, we have Skullfuck, the Record Store Day release and the mysterious, elusive, not discussed box set. That would make three, right? Hopefully more but I am not sure he told us much.

Oh.. I had never seen that seaside chat before and it might be my favorite one so far. I need to watch it start to finish first.. but in this episode of Seaside Chat Fugitive.. Dave L, with his dark maroon tinted sunglasses knows his freedom is in jeopardy. He keeps looking over his shoulder, looking up, looking left, looking right.. every two and a half seconds he is looking behind him.. Is that an eagle or the cops? He remains jittery, like he knows they are closing in on him.. they know who he is, where he is, his deepest secrets.. they are tapping his phones, have frozen his assets.. the Marshalls (Mounties) are closing in and there is nothing he can do but run from justice and continue living on the lamb. It has been weeks without any real sleep and fear of being captured has taken hold of all his senses each and every second of a 24 hour day... Mr. Lemieux knows deep down inside the jig is up.

Stay tuned for the next episode of Seaside Chat Fugitive where David L. discusses the Summer 1973 Box Set and gets a passport under his new identity from the dark web, just in the nick of time. (or is this all a setup, a ruse to draw out of hiding)? Stay tuned to find out, and be kind.. subscribe.

Hat trick of Dead releases....

.....I don't think the RSD event counts. The box WILL be 1969 I feel.

Fugitive Dave

Search every henhouse penthouse and outhouse for this "Dave"

Eww. Acid flashbacks in portapotties....

....if you know, you know.
Buckle up and don't look down. Just whistle the event away.
Edit....
https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/tickets/specials/theme-tickets/grateful-d…

Ha Ha....

Found this item I wrote on my FB page 2 years ago today....

"I really don’t care much about hockey, but the idea that 17,000 Bruin fans are gonna go home pissed off makes me cross eyed giggly with delight! Oooh another goal, 4-0 Blues... way to defend home ice Boston..."

Edit:

Skip the outhouses.

The great hockey distraction

Why the hate on the Bruins, y'all?

Just askin'.

Simple answer

Marchand

All Boston teams hated

It's a thing maybe not today or yesterday or whatever but for a city of 700,000 the teams of all sports have historically been badass. And the city is more psychotically sport crazy than cities 11 or 12 times as big hint hint

BTW

Does anyone know why only 10 songs from 7/02/71 are being released

7/2/71. Only 10 songs

I believe that they don't have the whole show in the vault, I think that somebody mentioned that on here. I hope that they release full shows for Bears Choice & Wake of the flood, I'm more than happy to pay the extra money for an extra CD rather then get a chopped up show.

Chop Jobs

Agree. Just say no to Chop Jobs!

Have a good weekend all..

RSD success

Hope everybody else looking for it is able to snag 5/3/72. Sweet packaging, love they kept the colorful track listing. Had forgotten the show has Sing Me Back Home and Wharf Rat, plus He's Gone, so those three plus that massive Other One makes it worth it. Plus 5.5 180g LPs for $145 is a good deal. Waited in line over an hour for a small record store doing their first ever RSD, and when I got my chance I asked where the Dead release could be found, was handed the last copy, and immediately checked out. They told me that one of their regular customers had told them he had a dream that he got in a fight with somebody over them getting the last copy of 5/3/72, and they were egging me on to find the guy. I was like, "No thanks, I'll just take a bag, and shuffle away." Hope that guy gets his copy and doesn't have to fight for it. Enjoy thy weekends everyone!

7 2 71 chopper

I guess that any Dead is good Dead
So I took what I could get
Yes I took what I could get
She looked at me with those big dilated pupiled eyes and said
"Where TF is that box seeeeeeeeeeetsetsetsetset?"

Thank you for the clarification on Bruins

I will be traveling to NY state in Aug, with a stopover in Baahstin.

I will keep my mouth shut re sports while there

10 15 76

Good stuff, Maynard

Also good: 11 15 71

Drove through Ballard neighborhood this mo"nin'
Saw a big line up
"Why?"
Alv answers my Q
RSD!
Sonic Boom is a recstore in Ballard

Fascinating, sez Spock

More RSD success

I logged on to Rough Trade Records about 15 minutes ago, and was informed I was about number 1,500 in a queue. I was also informed that I would be likely to be let through the virtual door in about 2 minutes. And I was. And there was Paris 5/3/72 waiting for me. I had a seconds doubt.. I have had the show on cd for 10 years...but then bosh...now I have it on vinyl too.
There is still nothing like listening to actual records for me, and all the recent Dead I have bought on vinyl has been exceptional-without exception. Not quite as hungry for that box now.

A Supposedly Fun Thing I’ll Never Do Again

Happy Record Store Day! Or should we say, Record Scalpers’ Day?

I went downtown this morning and got in line about an hour before my local record store was due to open, and I wasn’t surprised to see that there was already a line down the block and around the corner. From what I’d heard, that was normal for RSD, and that’s the reason I’d never tried to get there early before. I always figured that, no matter how early I got up, there’d be people who got up earlier, and those door busting early birdies would get all the good stuff and I’d be picking through the picked over remains.

But this year I gave it a try, for one reason and one reason only: the Paris ‘72 vinyl set. I really really wanted that one. Even more than I really really wanted the Buffalo ’77 vinyl set last year. So I got in line, behind maybe 70-80 people, and waited. And waited. An hour later, the line started to move. About 45 minutes after that, I was within 30 feet of the door, hoping for the best. The people in line definitely didn’t look like Deadheads, so I figured there was a chance they’d still have a copy of the Olympia vinyl by the time I got in. But just before I did, a guy from the store came outside and made an announcement like, “hey, thanks for coming, blah blah, and oh by the way, if you’re here for the Grateful Dead or Lady Gaga, we sold out on those right away.” (The Dead and Lady Gaga... there's a pairing I wouldn't have expected.)

So I left, after two hours, without ever getting into the store, and without a copy of the Paris set. When I got home, I went online, and yep, just as I suspected, there’s about 100 copies available on eBay, selling for about $225 and up.

Oh well. I’m not sure whether Record Store Day really helps those independent record stores so much, but it’s like Christmas in June for the flippers and scalpers.

RSD success and disappointment

I didn’t wait in line, I figured that f I get a copy I get a copy.
Arrived at the store around 12:30 pm and there were a lot of people in the store and outside but no line to get in.
Grabbed 1 of the 3 copies of 5-3-72 that were still available ($139.10 after tax) and waited a couple of minutes in line to check out.
Listened to the first side and it sounded pretty good. Will do the whole show tonight.

Of note, last year I went to the same store on Tuesday after RSD and there were 2 copies of 5-9-77 still available. There was another guy there who grabbed one and I grabbed the other.

This year I decided that I would go on RSD but wasn’t going to wait in line.
My plan paid off.

So what was my RSD disappointment?
The taco shop across the street was closed. I was so set on getting tacos after getting some vinyl….. :(

The Crow Told Me it's not the way to go.

I too venture out for my first foray into RSD.

I saw the comments about long lines the other day, found the "big" local store, called because their webpage said they were opening at 5 AM. No that was wrong, they were opening at 7 and had 5 copies.

Got up at 530, there by 6. Line around building. Took a 1/2 hour for the line to move up and they gave you a ticket with a number. Mine was 115. They let 20 at a time at the RSD stuff. 1.5 Hours my turn, none left.

Thought about driving to the other "local little", decided to head home. Got home call the other joint, yeah I got 3 sitting here with 9 more coming. Drive downtown, waited on line again for 30 minutes,,,, all gone.

Guy says UPS is bring 9 more TODAY. Give us your number and will call when here. OK. Almost get home and they call UPS has been there and they got one for me. Turn around, head back,,,,, still a line. 45 minute wait. Go in and guy hands me one. They also had a copy of The Very Best of Jerry Garcia (5 LPs),,, 90 bucks. Grab that too because it was limited to 4,000. What the hell.

So I was on the road or in line from 5:30 until 1:30,,,, worth the wait? I got em, but..........

The whole time I thought is this suppose to endear me to come to brick and mortar record stores??? If so they failed!

The silver lining to it all is you get to hang out in lines like the old days of getting tickets and meet the people around you. They may not be there for the dead, but they are there for music. The old thing,,,,, yes odder than Franco Harris,,, yakking with this guy, says he's a drummer and metal is his thing. I tell him my boss knows, knew, Dimebag, he grew up with the guy. He played in a band that opened for Pantera on two tours. The guy was wait, you said your boss's name is Mike,,,, Mike what. Mike Madison I say, his band was Red something. I know Mike,,,, we worked together 30 years ago at this record store, used to go to the same parties!

It really can be a small world!

Ice Cream Kid and No Wait

What city is that?

I wonder if small cities might give a better chance or large cities will get more copies.

Folsom Field 1980

That's a good suggestion, I was there for those two shows, my first foray into Colorado for shows. I should dig out my recordings of the shows, although they probably aren't great, as I recall I was in the bleachers recording.

RSD Success

Decided to try a small Denver area record store. If there was a line, I was leaving.
Showed up at 10. No line. Uh oh...
Asked manager if they still had copies.
He hands one to me. I buy it.
3 minutes. I'm gone.
Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket today?

RSD Stories

Dennis, Crow, icecrmcnkd et al - love the stories on how things went for RSD. Sorry it wasn’t always what you hoped, but it is a super-hyped event now, and I wonder how many of the guys jumping on the bandwagon are shelling out the big bucks, but then get home and are gripped by extreme Buyer’s Remorse?
Dennis - great story on a “small world”, and a reminder of how much fun it used to be to line up for tickets at box offices long before the Ticketmasters etc changed the game.

record shops and RSD

By the sound of it, RSD is the worst day of the year to go to a record shop. I have always managed to buy what I have wanted-sometimes from an independent shop - online. Sometimes I have paid more than the asking price on the infamous day, and sometimes - 5/19/74, for example - considerably less.

I did used to go to record shops, and buy up, whenever I went to London in pre Covid days - just not on RSD. Hopefully those days will come again.

re: Folsom Field

Nitecat, I was there too...we ran into each other on the flight home. The set lists were nothing special(except the hot aforementioned UJB -> Playin' -> UJB), but the playing was stellar, they sounded very tight and rehearsed. June '80 had some great moments besides Boulder; Portland, Seattle and Alaska are all good.

double...

...vision

Dock Ellis 6/12/70 L.S.D. No Hitter

Dock Ellis pitched a no hitter today 51 years ago . He didn't know he had to pitch that day, so he dosed, but he still went out and took care of business. Final score. Pittsburg 2. San. Diego. 0 No hitter

Word

Wow..

Simple tasks can befuddle me when tripping. How on earth? I guess he got in the zone and never broke his concentration.

I have to wonder if anyone ever tried this again?

Now pitching for Pittsburgh:

Ellis, D.

My last time "pitching for Pittsburgh"

was 20 years ago on July 4

Phil Lesh and Friends

:)))

Today

10 15 76
11 15 71
6 22 74
12 1 71

:)))

An Alaska Box would be most welcome....

....need a vote amongst my fellow dead.netters. Yay, or Nay.
Baked Alaska. I brought that up years ago it seems.
Reading up on RSD stories. Waiting in line is a prime time to banter with other in liners. Make some friends along the way!
I was busy buying a new car.
Google buying cars and its not pretty.
I know. I work in the automobile industry. The lots are dry.
Ugh.

too a tee

Nappy - I like the look of those tee shirts put together by djtees that you mentioned the other day. The Happy Trails one is the one I would go for - hopefully they do long sleeved ones.
Hot Dead show for me yesterday was 5/14/78 from 30 Trips. The Eyes is a bit boy racy, but the rest of it is right in the pocket-great Estimated.
Top non Dead-Kind of Blue - perfect for this time of year. Or any other, come to that.

Doc Ellis

I love that story.
Reminds me of what a friend once said. “ Cocaine is for people who can’t handle acid”.

Fuck the weasel dust.

What did Delaware to the party?

Idaho, Alaska

Her New Jersey.

Alaska box set, YES!! Those shows Rock the casbah!
Or was that Egypt?
Egypt-sheen Egypt-shine, she was a jackal headed woman with a large kimbo “ Firesign Theater

@Vguy72...

I know you're used to the heat being where you are but take care this coming week...Living at Altitude we will have low 90 degree temps and all kinds of heat warnings are popping up everywhere for here...down at Phantom Ranch along the Colorado River temp forecasts are calling for up to 120 degrees by mid week...I always tell folk on tours that temps at the bottom of the Canyon correspond with Las Vegas & Phoenix...worst of all because of high heat, drought and no humidity Park Service has put a ban on open campfires and Charcoal BBQ usage for the time being, so no Asada for me...be well my friend...

A big Hell Yeah

For Alaska! Did those shows somewhat recently (Covid time so I’m not sure when lol)
A couple old tops here say Portland’s good too? And Folsom...hmmmm,, sounds like a box lol.

TRIPPING: I found that if you’ve built a tolerance and trip while doing something you do a lot, which for us was playing music, but I can see pitching being similar, in fact the weird thing would be when you stopped....like when you were doing “what ever” you were fine, but as soon as you stopped THEN you realized how high you were lol.
Of course I’m talking shrooms or lower doses, not 400 of high test.

ROUND THREE starts today, who we rootin for? I think I’m going islanders as I’m assuming their the underdogs and Tampa’s too same old, same old, let’s get some new blood on the cup!
Like the Kiniggits! I’ve enjoyed the Habs because I love rootin for the underdog, kinda like being a Deadhead, but tge Habs have won it a lot and Vegas has not, and they (team and fans) have got the fire in the nuts, so it’d probably be more fun getting on that train...man, what a slam fest Isles and Knights would be. Makes me sore just thinking about it ; )

Strider the jokester!

Daverock

Nice to hear you touting the 5/14/78 show from 30 Trips Around the Sun. I was pleasantly surprised with that one, especially considering I didn't like DP 25 too much. I recall being excited for the first officially released Mississippi Half-Step of 1978 on that one. First 3 songs are super solid. They Love Each Other has some great Keith stuff going on in there. Looks Like Rain & It Must Have Been The Roses slow things down a bit, but I've never been one to let a setlist ruin a good performance. It also has that super long Let It Grow. I keep meaning to compare that one to other post-hiatus versions.

I Concur

On 5/14/78. This was about the period that 78 really warmed up to me in general.. and then not too far away we got the July 78 box which to me is simply killer. This was also about the time I seemed to notice Jeffrey Norman fine tuning his craft. Except for a few one-off's, for the most part the sound in Boxzilla is quite good. Glad I got that box.. I should revisit some of the lesser played shows one day.

Onward.. so little music, so much time. Scratch that.. reverse it.

Yup. It's going to be a scorcher this week....

....water. Lots of water.
Go Islanders!!

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