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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
August 30, 2012

To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
January 17, 2018

AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
August 6, 2014

Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

While We Wait

While we wait, and once we get word of a release, well...we'll be waiting again, eh.

Cued up 9.16.72....monumental showing.

It's got: ....Bird Song, Stella Blue, Playin, Morning Dew, Dark Star....

and so much more

BRING IT

wanted: the old stuff

I'll represent that... just short of 70 trips around the sun...catching up on the many posts with a few comments. No question that our "hosts" will wait until after the release of S&R, soon the box set announce circa July 1. It's all about the Ben Jammin's. More Pig, please.

After leaving DC area for school in Maine, pro hockey became a big deal. Not a rabid fan, have been to pro games as well as a few at Dartmouth, those Ivy guys will play hard and there is nothing, nothing like in person live hockey down on the ice.

Noted earlier, missed a few east coast shows before finally catching the GOGD in Baltimore 1973 for the first time, the Wolfman Jack show. Saw them a few months later at Watkins Glen. First "rock" show was Jimi at the Washington Hilton March 1968, had to be driven there, thanks dad.

Transitioning to celebrity, so much is chance... first big live music event was at the White House, when the Black Watch played there early November 1963... afterwards, this sixth grader had the chance to shake hands with JFK and Jackie before the unthinkable happened eleven days later.

Through a long episode as a working chef, met some top food dogs, including Paul Bocuse. In various restaurants, cooked for Ed Muskie, Phil Rizzuto, Peter Ueberroth but best of all, cause I met and asked him to sign a menu for me, Cab Calloway.

Most recent in person, backstage at the Kennedy Center June 2017 with Pat Metheny, Antonio Sanchez, Linda May Han On and Gwilym Simcock the night Pat was announced NEA Jazzmaster... bushed from the long tour, they had about thirty minutes before they had get on their bus that night to their final show in Cleveland.

Hanging with Martin Hayes after a small house concert in northern NH.

Last six
Bitches Brew: Miles
Gypsy Rumble: Stephane Wrembel Trio w/ David Grisman
Stratospheric Boogie: The flaming guitars of Speedy West and Jimmy Bryant (novelty item)
Borboletta: Santana
Turmoil & Tinfoil: Billy Strings
Northern Song: Steve Tibbetts

Any comments made previously, regarding audio issues with DaP 38 are tempered with the warts and all acceptance in delirious joyfulness that we have this music so well preserved for us. The Bonus Disc is tremendous.

Now where is that 69/72 box set announce??

Is it bad

I still have never listened to Gainesville...Since everyone raves about, I was hoping for a release. Since they really started releasing stuff, I waited for the release. Now I think I need to pop my cherry and go ahead and listen to it.

You Old Farts...

Just kidding of course. Really appreciate DMCVT and Dogon and Snafu chiming in for me or us. It really means a lot to me, and I know this padawan could learn a lot about the lifestyle from you guys.

Example: Just the little nugget from Dogon about Mungo Jerry and In the Summertime, had to go down a little rabbit hole of discovery. Isn't that what this all about, helping each other during the trying times. Of course I remember In the Summertime but I was just about to begin grade school when it came out.

Fortunately, I had a mom that played the radio in the car. So, as I have stated, I was born with some health issues which meant going to the doctors a lot as a child. The good that came out of it, was I came to consciousness very early. Therefore, I can remember even hearing Sgt. Peppers as a kid on the car radio. Hmmm, think that had any influence? So Dogon thanks for forth good material to chew on.

DMCVT - again just another great post on several of the streams of consciousness we have been discussing. Dogon and Snafu have given me just some perspective when I listen to shows. DMCVT the whole post is incredible. "I didn't realize it would be important 50 years later." Nice one! Snafu.

It still blows my mind just the things y'all saw, for example, DMCVT seeing Jimi I can only imagine. So that bears the question would you have rather seen Pig or Jimi? OK enough of that.

Maybe, if we can remember, we can make June the month of "Bring out your Dead" Heads from way back, month.

Again, thanks so much for posting, it means a lot to this head.

Hey Simon and Dogon - search youtube for Grateful Dead at Bickershaw there is some new video of Bickershaw. Simon, well new compared to when I sent you the little Bickershaw video I sent you the last time I searched.

Any way, It's Friday. Time to mix up the pitcher!

*Re/ MR Ones

... this goes out to you! Peace be with you! 🙏😎
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah, woah
Pussycat, pussycat, I've got flowers
And lots of hours to spend with you
So go and powder your cute little pussycat nose
Pussycat, pussycat, I love you, yes, I do
You and your pussycat nose
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah, woah
Pussycat, pussycat, you're so thrilling
And I'm so willing to care for you
So go and make up your big little pussycat eyes
Pussycat, pussycat, I love you, yes, I do
You and your pussycat eyes
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah
What's new, pussycat? Woah, woah, woah
Pussycat, pussycat, you're delicious
And if my wishes can all come true
I'll soon be kissing your sweet little pussycat lips
Pussycat, pussycat, I love you, yes, I do
You and your pussycat lips
You and your pussycat eyes
You and your pussycat nose
*Performance by Tom Jones!
Have a grateful day!
All right all right all right! ...Now, Let’s get this party started! 🙏❤️💀🌹

I usually like to read the…

I usually like to read the posts since I don't have much interesting to say. I am here every day and once in a while somebody says something that makes me perk up. Hendrixfreak, you said 6/17/75 is a returned Betty Board. Is there a list somewhere? Thank you. I listen to DaP 38 almost every day. I think it's wonderful. Jerry and Bobby both have above normal nights. I can't think of a show where they sounded better together. They both have a great night.

Gary f

Pop that Gainesville cherry!

Just be sure to give it your _full_ attention, and play it loud.

AJS

Good call on the 5/3 Other One. Of all the E72 stuff, The Other One was the toughest for me to get on board with. The Space parts and meltdowns were appearing for just about the first time. I was much more used to the Cryptical Envelopment era, where they rocked harder and Spaced less....but man, once you get to appreciate what they're doing on those longer Spacier Other Ones. The first one to grab me from this tour was the Beat Club performance, and then Hundred Year Hall on 4/26. Great stuff. Wow wow wow wow wow. 4/11 from New Castle is also hot. And Part 2 from opening night at the Wembley swim club.

Well - this Road Trips Wall of Sound 6/18/74 is some serious shit. Certainly Keith's best Morning Dew.

Vguy

A boring and poorly played game. Each team with a ridiculous giveaway.

Good luck in OT.

That was inexcusable....

....if you know, you know. Patches for the game winner.

Ouch!

The defence left MAF to dry…

I still love hockey....

....because of games like this.
Flower fucked up big time. Huge non call on the high stick by Marchessault in OT. 4 minutes easy. Vegas deserved to lose.
Onward!!

Mungo Gary

At Hollywood, the audience liked Mungo Jerry so much that they were rescheduled for a second performance!
They were basically a jug band but Mother Mcrees they were not! Of course the song In the Summertime became an irritating ear worm that you could not escape that year,

Gotta Love OT

Fleury definitely let his mind leave the building during that tying goal. But, Vegas outshot them almost 2-1, forced more giveaways on the Habs by far, and out hit them. Just an adjustment hear and there. They got smacked a bit, they’ll smarten up.

“ When you're slapped, you'll take it and like it.”
-Sam Spade

other ones

Keith fan - synchronicity at work-yesterday I listened to both the Other Ones from 5/3/72 and 6/18/74 too. Both fascinating deep space excursions. Amazing how this piece, among others, developed from 67-74 but also specifically from 72-74. In this period they seemed to move away from earlier psychedelic and primal high energy force fields to a more modern jazz/avant-garde approach. Increasingly so as the timespan developed.

11 17 71

Nice
Albuuuuquerrrrrqueeee

Returned Bettys

Trainwrecked, after I posted that statement I went looking for a l*nk. Typical: talk first, find proof of statement later.

I clearly recall seeing 6-17-75 on a list of the returned tapes and getting really excited. Great, short show. My quick search the other day turned up a couple incomplete lists, and none had 6-17-75. So I 'm not certain where I saw the list that included 6-17-75, but the lists that pop up first in a G search have some interesting content. And of course many have been released in the past ~3 years.

To sum up: definitely saw 6-17-75 on a list of returned Bettys, no idea where I saw that. But I posted the l*nk in this forum over the past year.

Feel like a ... ROBOT, mucho tequila last night.

Edit: So, to "protect our data, TPTB are restricting specific words in our posts, rather than add a security filter to ensure that hackers don't invade. That strikes me as a** backward...

6-17-75 complete

It’s on the list of returned reels.

The list

I tried posting it last night but was blocked.

I second that emotion!

OMG, Bailey Q, fo sure, yeah, Lonnie who?
Loved Bailey, the look and the person!
Man, I love the memories you guys conjure up!
RIP Herb!
Another awesome underrated 70s show!

GAINSVILLE, don’t think about it, just do it!

DCVMT: nice to see ya, thanks for sharing!

Guessing from looking at the GD June bulletin, since it’s mostly 71, that perhaps the box will be 71?
If so, what 71?

No Links, lame! That’s half the fun here. Why is it every time I like something in life, some jackass has to wreck it?

STOKED for Shakedown stream and another cool show I’ve not heard!
Wonder if this is just a special deal, celebrating RH and his amazing gifts to us all, or will it be a regular thing again, or will it be tied to product some how? Dammit Dave, inquiring minds want, no, NEED to know lol...

Skipped the game last night, it was just to nice out and was digging tunes with the Mrs, sounds like I outta check out at least the end?

6/17/75: pretty sure I remember seeing that that show is in the vault, probably via a l*nk that someone here kindly posted, to enhance our knowledge and enjoyment of this band/music, that drives us to purchase more than we’ll ever actually need, so we should probably stop allowing that...? Mmmmmhhhhhhmmm?

No posting

Looks like they don't allow posting anymore, to bad . I never would have seen that cool list of all the guitars that Garcia owned over the years if it hadnt been posted by Keith fan, and all the other cool posts that have been on here, I'm gonna miss them. I wonder if they will ban the hookers and all the business posts that have nothing to do with the Dead.

Wondering

How long there current distribution contract is. It was 10 years and renewed just a couple years back, I think. With changes, maybe renewed contract is void or has a time clause to make decisions after a major change. Weird thing, is our posts are part of their marketing arm...

Dogon it

Yeah I noticed that in the deadbase the other day. Did you see Sabbath? I was a huge Sabbath fan until I really got into the Dead, so around 83 Sabbath was gone, except for an occasional listen. Just dont listen to much stuff not associated with the Dead. I bet Sabbath 1970 was wild. Have you found tapes of that show?

Earworms

I eat earworms for breakfast. Now surf or fight.

1971 box?

With two 71 shows coming out last year, and this here Skull and Roses anniversary coming out, I think a 71 box might be over egging the pudding somewhat.

Hunter

I think the Shakedown Street on the 23rd with Jim Lauderdale is in celebration of the date of what would have been Robert Hunter’s 80th birthday. Arguably the second best lyricist ever. True anecdote. A few months ago I received the Stanley Foundation NRPS collection, and as I’m reading the booklet, there is a nice dedication to Mr Hunter, which struck me as pretty cool. While I am opening this package, for some unknown reason, I’m playing Hunter’s spoken word album, Sentinel. That gave me a chill, a good one. An album I rarely touch, but if you are in the mood, it’s pretty neat, and he was an amusing narrator of his own wonderful prose.

I agree with DaveRock - I think 1971 has been very well served lately, so likely not a candidate for a box set. I did see Dave’s most recent Twitter feed was a photo taken at the seashore…you don’t think he had his video camera, too…like filming a SeaSide chat, do you….

Oro - Ms Quarters was the loveliest lady to grace television late 1970s/early 1980s, which says a lot, because she was competing with the Angels, etc.
You didn’t miss A Great Game last night, kind of a comedy of errors from both sides. I expect next one to be much better caliber. Just hoping VGuy is keeping cool in those Mars-like temps there, and now with his team down 2-1…Maybe thoughts of Bailey Quarters will cheer him up!

Black Sabbath 1970

Gary, there is always someone here who can answer your questions.

I saw Black Sabbath live at the Portsmouth Polytechnic Student's Union building on May 2, 1970. This was less than 3 months after their first album was released. Touted as a "heavy" band (the term "heavy metal" came much later) they were indeed heavy but most of all they were loud, really really loud. The Student's Union building was a barn of a place and it was shaking. People living miles away complained about the noise. As a result no more gigs were permitted there until the place had been soundproofed, something I don't think ever happened. The band had been well hyped by the music press so the place was packed. Everyone wanted to know what this sinister new band was all about. Ringing in the ears for days afterwards is what they were all about. I was suitably impressed as were most people present. A memorable evening. You had to be there!

Gary

Simon has already responded about Sabbath, but I never saw them, had one pal who had the first album,he bought it because it was on the new progressive record label Vertigo, but I was never really interested in heavy music.
The Deads set at Hollywood was used as the soundtrack to Rik Griffins exhibition at Londons Roundhouse organised by Alcock and Dick, who were the BBC cameramen dosed by the Deads crew at Hollywood, (which resulted in,shall we say, less than optimal footage for the planned BBC Dead special, but as noted the soundmen did their job and recorded the concert). Alcock and Dick became fans/converts and subsequently took over UK distribution of Dead/Mouse tees circa Skullf*ck/Ace/ NRPS/Rolling Thunder.
I was at the opening and closing of Riks show where I met him with John Platt( perhaps some UK Dead heads will recognise the name of the editor of the magazine Comstock Load) and came away with several signed exhibits at 5 quid a pop, Rik was seemingly skint and needed funds to return Stateside. I still have my signed copy of Gathering of the Tribes, Human Be In poster till this day.

Too late, Oro....

If nobody ever mentioned a specific show again, you'd still hop on any GD release like a b*tch in heat.

I mean, here we all are, like vultures on a fencepost, just waiting wating waiting for the box set news to drop and wagging our tongues over two more DPs and some other release.

Daverock: "overegging the pudding"? This week's award for best use of language. Especially as this phrase was used to discuss 1971 GD releases! No wonder I lurk around here...

Oh lord yeah

Gary - I was a bit late to the party, but the first time I saw Black Sabbath was in March 1973. It was like being hit by a cannonball. Amazing that the building was still standing by the end of the night. Their albums up to that point had been quite slow in tempo, so I was taken by surprise by how rock n' roll the gig ( a gig-not a show) was. It felt like my very soul was vibrating in tune. Some of it turned up on the live album, "Live at Last", which has been included in the Volume 4 Deluxe Edition. Not that I have it. But between 1973-1975 I couldn't get enough, and saw them as often as I could up to 75.
Then my tastes changed, as I discovered the Dead, Quicksilver et al. But I did see them again one last time in February 2017-an incredible night, during which they focussed almost exclusively on their first 4 albums. There is a great dvd/blu ray of the last night from that tour-2/4/2017 in Birmingham.
Very rehearsed, compared to The Dead. In 2017 even the solos sounded the same as their recorded counterparts from 45-47 years earlier !

The Egging

I loved that expression also. Never heard that one,,, is it common in the UK?

Box set announcement? I think if we're getting one the announcement will be a month away. Next should be DaP 39 announcement I would think. It's scheduled for release 7/30 on my chart. I don't think we'll see two things come up at the same time. But what do I know.

Guesses on 39? (we know we're getting that!)

Guesses on # 39

Well that's easy, that. would be a 6/6/70. , 9/20/70, or a ,10/31/69........ yeah fat chance. Probably something from 78 or 88.

39

An early 80’s Brent show.
But this time one with good sound quality.

39?

But what about Gainesville? Lol
Sorry, it was too easy!

Oh yeah, lol, forgot to 👍 for the egging/pudding comment brilliant as they say.
Love the English banter, hope someday I can go...

Close icecrmdkd, but no cigar...

# 39 will actually be Oakland Coliseum, 12-26-81.

That was SO EASY!

Unless of course (hedging, naturally), it's time for grease, which would mean two back-to-back '69 shows on 3 packed discs.

Meanwhile, where's my '66-'68, five-disc "special box." (Special because they can't release that period on the DP series as each show is short and they don't have many in the vault. And too few to make a real 20 disc box.)

I'm "California Dreamin'"..............

12/26/81

A day at the dentist. I love that.

Over -egging..

Dennis - Oroborous - like a lot of what I say, I got it from somewhere else, without being aware of exactly where that somewhere else is.
I've just had a look online, and discovered that it is an English phrase, that first came into use in the mid 19th century. God, I'm older than I thought.

Mentioning the dentist reminds me of the Seastones from 6/23/74 that I heard earlier today - the aural equivalent of having a tooth out.

Oh lawn chair!

Alternate lyrics for that war pigs interjection

Happy Grateful Dads day everyone!!!...

....especially the dads.
Testing this new lame firewall. Link.

Testing this new, lame firewall....

....can't say p(o)st and l(i)nk in the same body of text?
I'm gonna hack it.
Take away my four ...., and we may have a problem.

Hopes and Dreams

TPTB announce a Meet Up At the Movies that features 6/22/91. The DVD of that show comes in the box set that includes CDs of 6/22/91, 6/24-25/91, and 6/28/91.

And then DaP40 (skipping ahead) is four discs of the best stuff from 1968 that is lying about in bits and pieces. Dave gave us a surprise four-disc set to wrap things up last year, so maybe he'll do so again?

Testing

Link

Weird

Weird.. certain words and keystrokes are restricted . So much for my kick off advertisement of my new Belarus limo Uber Service..

I think I am allergic to hockey. I've watched a few of these playoff games and they seem to be followed by getting to work a little late, feeling a little groggy and productivity post game day is off by 15%.

Is this normal?

12/26/81

Was there. It has an Eleven Jam. Good memories.

Not weird but Weir-d.

Las Vegas = hot

115

Bruh

Having fun tho

This is the thick air that Weir was actually thinking of

Vegas/Habs OT....

....remind me later.
See Jim! Certain phrases.....thick air indeed. Wait, what?
Stoltz is in the neighborhood.

The Work day Will Start Late Tomorrow

Do hockey fans even work during playoffs?

37

Really good pick and incredible job mixing/mastering. Is there going to be a Box this year??? Feels late on any announcement.

In France, cooking is a serious art form and a national sport….

50 years ago today…..

June 21, 1971
Chateau d’Herouville, Herouville, France

Speaking of cooking, the Dead bring some American musical cuisine to French soil…..

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Me And Bobby McGee-Next Time You See Me-Morning Dew-Me And My Uncle-Hard To Handle-China Cat Sunflower >I Know You Rider-Promised Land-Deal-Playing In The Band-Big Boss Man-Black Peter-Bertha

Set 2: Casey Jones-That's It For The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-Sing Me Back Home-Johnny B. Goode

Cleary one of the most unusual, interesting “venues” that hosted the Dead in 1971. Built in 1740, on the remains of an even earlier chateau. At one time, the residence of Chopin. Painted by Van Gogh. After a fire in 1969, a 16 track recording studio was built there. There is no “seating capacity”—the Dead’s show was outside, on the grounds of the chateau.

Bakersfield, Pigpen, country/Weir/western, rockers, soulful, jamming, everything the French could expect from les morts reconnaissants…………

High quality audio AND video exists of this show. Definitely worth a listen. And a look !!!

Profitez et soyez bien!

Rock on!!!

Doc
Poor France, thy fine climate, rich vineyards, and the wishes of the learned avail nothing; thou art a destitute beggar, and not the powerful friend thou wert represented to me…..

one disc Dave ?

Hendrixfreak- a 5 disc 66-68 special would be great. But I would also prefer a one disc Dave's from 66-68 to a three disc one from.....fill in blank. It would be a pity if strict adherence to the three disc format ruled out some of the most ground breaking and spectacular shows they ever played.

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