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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • icecrmcnkd
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    The September GD Bulletin came out yesterday in an email.
    At the end there is a section Community Bits that briefly summarizes what it being discussed on these boards.

    It says:

    In the Pick of the Day, With Discussion thread, Daverock raises the interesting point that for Europe ’72, there weren’t so many Dead Heads in the audience — and that affected the band’s playing. Maybe for the better? What do you think?

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    Sorry - I'm not sure what that means!

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    Daverock gets the call out.

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    1stshow -no, I have never heard Hawkwind's set at Bickershaw. Curiously, I have never read anything about it either, not from the band or from people who were there. Simonrob was there - maybe he knows something.
    1972 was the year it all came together for Hawkwind, culminating in the Space Ritual tour in December. In fact - a timely thought - the 11 cd special deluxe edition of Space Ritual is out next Friday. Probably not good value for money unless you are really into it - they basically played the same set on that tour wherever they played - this new set features three of them. I'll be getting it - but the original album may be better value overall.

    Going back to The Dead's repetitive - or otherwise - song lists - they would have played to a different audience every night, for the most part, during E72, so maybe it mattered less than later on if they played the same songs a lot. Maybe that was the case for American gigs at first, too. It wasn't common practice in England in the 1970's to see the same band twice on the run, so I wouldn't think it was in America at first. As teenager, apart from anything else, I wouldn't have been able to afford it.

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    With the exception of Copenhagen and London, they hit these cities just once and my guess is most locals had not had any real exposure to the touring Grateful Dead. Copenhagen is the real outlier, two hits at the same venue and similar second set setlists.

    I always assumed they wanted to make a presence in Europe and knowing people were not as exposed in the US, wanted to paint a strong picture for each city.

    So 51 years later listening to the whole tour, there is lots of repetition. But if you were there then, it was all brand new. That's how I digested it. They wanted to hit Europe with a cohesive picture of what they were doing then not knowing when or if they would return.

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    Yeah they always went heavy on what was new. Guessing partly for their own sanity/interest, and partly for the crowds.
    Not unlike Taylor Swift etc: make an album, go on the road to support it, rinse and repeat…of course like most things, they weren’t that formulaic, thank goodness lol. Plus, they were smart enough to figure out that it’s better to work stuff out on the road BEFORE you go into the studio to record it, especially when you do constantly tweak and re-invent them. So this tour was perhaps a bit of both lol.
    Also, (think we’ve discussed before?) folks didn’t tour so much back then, probably not at all in 1972 Europe?
    So they didn’t have to worry about that like they did later on.
    Sometimes I think they, or someone, just really enjoyed certain songs, so played en more.
    I’d say they played less repetitive in some ways as the years passed and they had more and more songs to choose from.
    Ok, maybe not Bob, he seemed to need to play everything to death lol. Speaking of, why Me&My Uncle every night! I mean they just put it out on the last live album only a year before! With so much new stuff as the Dead, and from WM and AB, AND both Bob and Jers recent solo albums, why Bob, why LOL ; ) Perhaps trying to bring more American “culture”?
    As far as reinterpreting songs, I think they always did that, though some more than others and with various results.
    I guess that’s yet another thing dependent on the listeners taste and chever way yer pleasure tends…
    But I’d bet the biggest factor on this tour was trying to get at least one good useable version of all the new material since they purposely chose this methodology to get the new songs out on a new album. That and mix in some familiar stuff as you never want to do all unknown songs. I could tell ya a story about doing that lol

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    Bickershaw again

    Finishing up as I write.
    Highlights: Dark Star, The Other One, Lovelight (Jerry!).
    The line-up for this festival is astounding. Woodstock level of mud too.
    DR, guessing you've heard Hawkwind's performance. Good?
    Cheers

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    Is that true, though, that there was more repetition of songs during the E72 tour than others in the late 60's and 70's?
    I haven't checked it out, but listening to shows, I always get a sense that they had a core group of songs that they leaned on during specific tours. It was the same listening to the 1973 box that has just come out. There weren't any shows that were wildly different from any other - possibly 6/10/73. That has a different feel than the earlier ones.

    That's not a criticism - the more they played specific songs - especially the ones incorporating jams, the better they got to know them and the more they were able to re-interpret them. Part of the ongoing mystery - especially from late 1971-1974. Maybe.

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    The make up show.
    Yeah 1stshow, there is definitely a looooot of repetition! Lol
    But yeah, all good, perhaps getting a little burnout, though I haven’t had a lot of good, sit down sessions.
    By necessity, some I’ve been just streaming on crappy work device, (or I’d be still doing this months from now and I’m getting itchy for some other Dead ) I’ve tried to hit those shows multiple times.
    5/13 was one, and another first time show.
    I thought it was a mostly well played show, especially considering it was another cold outdoor show.
    Loved JG joking about a movie and playing drive ins lol
    The PITB seemed a little different, and awesome! Oh, loved Pig making Europe sounding police sirens on the organ during the first spacey part of TOO, another beauty. Nice how their starting to work He’s Gone into the flow of the set.
    Don’t have my info here, but believe this might be the first show without a Good Lovin, which no offense, but I am getting burnt on. Have really been enjoying the other stuff, especially Hurts Me Too and Mr Charlie! And I need to learn the rest of the words to ChinaTown Shuffle as I can’t get the chorus outta my head lol.
    In fact slightly light on the grease, perhaps the chilly cold and being on the road, or maybe time limits? This show was a little shorter by E72 standards, more like a “normal” Dead show.
    Wonder if that was due to having to get back on the road, the cold, or…?
    Overall another great show, though if hard pressed I don’t think I’d include in top five or whatnot…
    Kudos to them though in spite of being less than ideal circumstances and this far into the tour etc

    Oh, I think the repetitiveness and lack of certain songs was totally by design.
    Always good to have as many good versions of songs to attempt to choose from. Nothing worse than wanting a certain song badly but only having a so so version…
    They had all those new songs they wanted to get out, or try to, so I can fully understand not doing too many other recently released songs.
    Making the album was a big part of the tour and after hating their studio stuff versus the great live albums, they were trying to make an album, but live in front of grooving people. Same sorta MO they did with In The Dark. Kinda surprises me they didn’t use this approach more often since it obviously worked so well for them.
    And perhaps unknown to some, but even though they played all tracks live, they did go back and clean up and/or sweeten some things in the studio afterwards, so really a sorta highbred album. Same with Skullfuck.
    Ok, on to 5/16/72 and a world radio broadcast!
    Onward!

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    Just started Bickershaw and it occurred to me that 12 shows into the tour there weren't all that many songs in the setlists from either Workingman's or American Beauty. A quick look to verify only found Sugar Mag and Truckin' from Beauty (whoops found a Brokedown too) and five out the eight from Workingman's with two of those played maybe once or twice in the tour. I knew going in to the full EU72 tour I was in for a lot of repetition in the setlists and having glanced at them beforehand saw the order of songs or placements were also similar, i.e. Casey Jones to end many a first set. So maybe knowing they were doing the album they did so many of the same ones to get a better shot at getting one that would be just exactly perfect for the album, more to choose from. Seems a bit opposite to their usual format of no format or you get what feels right that night. These shows are certainly not carbon copies by any means and I'm not complaining at all but just wanted to explore why they all sound a bit the same. Clearly some doing them all in a row impressions happening but not burnout at all. They are all just too good!
    Cheers

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Just checking in... Haven't been on in a while... Travel for work has started back up for me..... Hope everyone is well....Just wanted to say hi.... Bob t

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bluecrow, my email said 6 shows from different years. I went with 7/28/82 (matrix), 8/1/73, 6/20/74, 10/15/76, 3/9 and 10-81 and What about Gainesville?

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Good to hear from you Bob t. You better send us a pick soon.

Box set, to be honest, since it has been so long, I am starting to loose interest. No clue what this operation is doing.
Here is the Barton Fink to the latest Betty Boards recovered and in the Vault from the ABCD transaction. Enjoy!

Looking at 10/26/71, download series #3 for today. Sounding fantastic so far. First listen to this show for me.

Anybody catch the Shakedown Stream last night?

Anyone expecting box news was unfortunately left in the cold again.

Shoot, we should have another Dave's Picks by the end of next month and no clue what it is.

I find myself going back to that box all the time. Past couple days I traversed through 3/5's of it. Kept me company while working outside. Imagine the trajectory of that box had summerfest not been cancelled on the 2nd. The box woulda been even more smokin' imo if that's possible.

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Tell me it wasn't so!!!!

So we are doing 10/26/71 and July 78. Fantastic.. Just give us a few days.

Sorry for being away, not on purpose. Welcome back Bob!!

10/26/71 - It's got a Cumberland (and the third Comes a Time). What could possibly go wrong?

Okay, who has a pick for tomorrow to start the week?
Break the drought. Do it, it feels go.

Any interest in good old 11/24/78?

Dave's #39 is on the horizon. I am thinking we get another 80's release. What are you all thinking?

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I didn't make 11/24 today.. so tomorrow then.

As for #39, if there's one thing Dave is, it's predictably unpredictable. Another 80's wouldn't surprise me a bit, but we are more due for a late 60's show too.

I'm going to try to fit in July 78 too.. somehow.

Any clues Bolo?

Hey Jim,

My guess is you have heard 11/24/78 at some point?

Fantastic show and it has a Shakedown.

Will join you with at least 7/1/78 and 7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center.

The Willie Nelson Picnic. That was a huge deal for Willie. I recently saw a documentary on Willie and they talked about his big picnic shows he put on. Cool stuff, but they didn't mention the Dead playing at it in 78. That must have been something for those fans.

Dave could always throw out the first 90s show for #39? Who knows.

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This one is new to me.. Just finished the first set, a nice little post Egypt show. Looks like an Hamza El Din influenced second set including a stand-alone Fire near the end of the show..

Nice pick.

Wow.. checking out the weather in the PNW. Talk about Fire on the Mountain.. smoldering heat. Stay cool all.

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Can’t believe you never heard this one. Back in the day it was everywhere since it had been TV and radio broadcast.
Great multi/pro camera versions are available...
One if not the first show I ever saw on video. JG is outta his mind but on fire! Ya really need to see him!
Probably the most Bob jokes and MC lines of any show I can think of: “hello princess”, “ I wish they’d get these elephants of the stage” “don’t think about it, just do it, lean over...”” ladies and gentlemen we’d like to start the next segment...” etc etc, he’s like Letterman out there lol.
A MUST listen/viewing for any DH!

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Video is a must-see. Jerry was sick as a dog, voice was shot (they had to cancel the next show), but he played like his hair was on fire this night. A pro stepping up when the spotlight was on even though he felt crappy.

Great moment just before going into Shakedown when Bobby is trying to figure out where Jerry's going. He mouths, "What's he doing?" to the other guys. Priceless!

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I will start the second set via video then, later tonight. Thanks guys.

I am completely in the dark on this show.

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Never heard this one either! Sweet show! Thank you!11

Also, YDIGDH 6/30/74 is a stunner!

Peace

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One of my favorite modern era releases.

....and speaking of box sets.. so a priest, a rabbi and an atheist walk into a bar..

You might ask what does this have to do with sasquatch hunting and box set announcements? Exactly my point.

Onward.. lights are dimmed, it's concert time.

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6/30/85 Merriweather Post Pavilion: Hessberg Sennheiser ME-80s, Miller Transfer and Management Company.

This upload actually has all of the ID tags embedded, so I didn't have to do a half hour of data entry before listening to the show! Hooray for that! Sorry, did I just plug something?

Anyway, I'm sure you've all been to this show and have heard it a million times, but I've nowhere else to post these impressions, so use that scroll bar. I already had a copy of a different pull on hand, but hadn't paid much attention to the show until I started listening to this one that I downloaded yesterday before realizing I already had the show, but not this recording.

Solid. Tight. Focused. Most of the first set was on in the background. At that point I was, like, yeah, decent show; not sure what all the fuss is about. Keep on Growing was a nice surprise, but needed a couple more run-throughs, perhaps, if it ever got any. Then after switching to headphones at the end of LLR the show really started coming alive. That Shakedown jam... man... so dang funky. Got me movin', then... love that synth part Brent brings in. Samson is always a reliable rave up, and, again, I think the key words here are solid, tight, focused. One of the great things is that Bobby is really clear in the mix, and all that little Bobby stuff that he tosses in all over the place, just at the right moment, is all making these ever so slight course corrections in the direction of each tune. Gimmie Some Lovin', man they are taking no prisoners on the dance floor. Bobby's got some kinda auto-filter/flanger thing goin' on during this show that adding a really cool atmosphere. Would not have expected that during He's Gone, but there it is, and it's almost like he's adding little after-effects to Jerry's guitar. That's where I am now, but that Shakedown, which I'm sure you're all well aware of, really woke up my typing fingers. This AUD is actually crankable. Nice work, Mr. Hessberg!

7/1/78: YES! Love this one. Thanks for the reminder.

Yes.. a great show. Old Jer doesn't quite have the pipes to pull off the cryptical lyrics, but it's cool nonetheless. But hey, this show is all about that monumental, wonderfully funky Shakedown Street. Worth the price of admission for that performance alone.

Missed that anniversary.. Duooh.

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After an almost double listen to 7/1/78 and part of St. Paul, two days later.. I had some free time and a teeny tiny buzz so I hit the reaming portion of 11/24/78 but finished the show ala YouTube. I agree with Bolo that Jerry was a man on a mission. But what the heck happened to Keith? He was MIA and it was not the mix. Bobby, both drummers, of course Jerry and Phil, but Keith is out to lunch on this one. You almost wouldn't notice it but the there is the video. Depressing because I love Keith but there is somewhere else he would rather be this night.

It's no wonder Jerry felt the need to shred this night, because without him there would have been no energy.

Still good show and something I had not heard (or seen) before. Then again, as much as I love the rest of the band.. Jerry was the main attraction. So please do not view this post as a complaint.. just my two cents on how good this might have been if Keith showed up to work a full day.

Edit: One other add... in this video you really get to see Wolf in it's full glory. The Quilted or Zebra Stripped Maple is full-on electric dayglow under these lights. I have always had a soft spot for wildly figured maple and wildly figured wood in general. Sorry for the sidebar.. perhaps there's a carpenter or wood person out there that agrees.

That is all.. as you were.. Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round.

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Yeah, my impression, and that's all it is cuz wtf do I know, is that Bobby pulled a prank and forced that Cryptical, but Jer wasn't ready for it. It starts out pretty good, but the tail end of the lyrics escape him. He fights through it pretty good, and it's no worse than the run-through of Getting Better in the first set, :P but yeah poor Jer's lungs are not in great shape. The struggle adds an extra bit of emotion and vibrato. Sometimes the spontaneity bites'em but they gave it a good go. The drum duo and Other One that follow absolutely keep the second set flowing, though. Cryptical's short enough, but also rare enough that it doesn't really impede forward progress, 'cause they've got some momentum built up, for sure. That's as far as I got. It's Friday night here, so time to crank some vinyl and get lost. It's been one of those weeks. I will definitely be coming back to 6/30.... The Willie Nelson gig is on deck. Was listening to that a ton last year or the year before. You can kinda feel they might be feeding off the different vibe of the Willie audience. They mostly play it pretty straight, but can't fight the weirdness too long. Lookin' forward to revisiting that.

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First ran across this one when i was trading tapes because I really loved that Scarlet>Touch>Fire combo from 7/13/84.... 58 and rainy here today in R.I.!!! Summer tour of 1990 kicked off 31 years ago tomorrow in the same vicinity as this show, Bonner Springs... 100 degrees when the show started, what a tour!!! Enjoy your weekend everyone... Bob t

Loved 7/1/78 again last week. You wonder what the audience thought when they broke out Terrapin?
7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center is a great show. Great Scarlet Fire, Dancing in the Streets. One of my favorite versions of Werewolves in London.

Missed 7/31/84, will have to check it out. Thanks Bob t

Was thinking about 7/21/72 for today. Download Series #10. This show with bonus tracks is outstanding. If you have never listened to it check it out. Summer 72 is hot.

Stay well. Dave's Picks #39 by the end of the month? Can't wait.

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I just so happened to start that in the car yesterday and made it through Casey Jones (listen for the brief WRS at the end of that track).
Will resume the show tomorrow going to work.

Think I’ll play the 7-22 filler tonight.

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a freaky coincidence.

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You said well

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Not pillow talk again.

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The other day when that show came up, I happened to be listening too. There's a lot to like with that show. In fact, worth a relisten. I may go for it this weekend when I road trip. I am headed down towards bong, but not quite that far. I'm stopping at a different joint. :-)

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Okay, how does 2/26/77 sound to you all? This thing is on life support.

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Yes guys!

There is something about this show that still delivers. Must be the first Terrapin with no back up vocals and the Eyes!

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One of my favorite 77 shows for sure. I prefer it to dekalb, but at a certain point it's all subjective.

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1973? Written on the back, “if you can’t swing / then don’t hang”

“It don’t mean a thing
if it ain’t got that swing”

Composition by Duke Ellington
Lyrics by Irving Mills
Written in 1931

The list of musicians that have recorded it is impressive.

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It’s a 76/77 hybrid. Has elements from both years.

Think I’ll do the 2-27-77% filler that came with it.

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Great choice for opening the first set - Terrapin Station. I always hear it more as a song, than a jamming vehicle, and as such it seems better placed to me to start the first set than to pitch up half way through the second. Obviously the band didn't seem to agree.

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Who has a pick for today?

It has been 17 months since the last box announcement and eight months since they announced Dave's 38.
We need some news on what they have planned for the rest of the year soon.

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Okay, this one is for Oroborous. 12/13/1980 unless someone else has a pick?

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. . . and that's before i realized Flora Purim and Airto Moriera are sitting in during the drumz!!

which re-minds me of The Other Side Of This, a way-out-there album by Airto (produced by Mickey). highly recd. I'd linq if i could.

thanks DV for this POTD!!

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so more than a few days late on this. watched Set II video of 11/24/78 a cupula weeks ago- complete to-atl (total) John Deere time machine. Damn. So cool. So had a 2LP boot from ca. '82 and a grainy VHS from ca. 1996 yet it had probably been an easy 10+ since a visit. notes still carved in stone. love those early Shakedowns and this is where it started for me. and Hamza El Din w/ Mickey??!! Into Fire on the Mountain??!!

Bobby asking "what's he doing?" is freaking funny as heck!!

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Heard a snippet of "I Know You Rider" going out of the top of the 7th.

If Joe Buck wasn't so enamored with the sound of his own voice, I might have been able to pinpoint the show, or at least the era. Sounded pretty hot.

Oh, now out of the bottom of the 7th, Althea. I'll have to go back and listen if they did this every inning

that the misfits have become mainstream (or at least normalized).

....but it's way better than the alternative when we were unwelcomed (or imprisoned).

Progress.. perhaps, I'll take the win.

Good to see you Bolo.

First.. I am severely biased... because my alma mater is the Terrapin.

I love the Swing, start to finish, so it's hard to argue against a Terrapin opener. I love it as an encore too. But my favorite place for this song is well into the second set and it makes an excellent vehicle into the great unknown. Since we can no longer post linques.. might I reference 3/24/90. The Playin' In The Band>Uncle John's Band>Terrapin Station>Mind Left Body is other worldly. It really is.. excellent second set material.

I don't believe I am disagreeing in any way, just respectfully expressing the same thought from a different point of view, that being the slippery slope that is the beginning of the second set..

Love deep second set Terrapins. To me, it replaces a lot of the deeper space stuff prior to 74 from a post 75 point of view.

That’s where Terrapin rightfully belongs.
But you wouldn’t expect it to be there the first time played.

And then there’s that 3-18-77 Terrapin>Alhambra…..

Winterland March 77 Box anyone?