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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • Oroborous
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    Howsa bouta a little 83 energy for a Fri yea?

    6/16/90: good call DV! Haven’t heard this since the Shakedown Stream, man those were fun.
    Needed some kind of ritual at the time, even TOO watched and she ain’t really into the dead.

    Always dug a good Good Times Roll opener, usually a good sign. Fun Truckin if not mind blowing, solid Touch O,
    Nice FOTD, hot Cassidy, fun but perhaps trepid Big Boss, but fun non the less, and another slightly unusual and fun OMSN to close a fun set.
    Though the first might not of been thoroughly consistent, the second set gets going nice, good versions of most songs, and a nice China Doll in spite of Jerry struggling a bit. Rousing Mags and and always welcome sweet Baby Blue encore. But!…But, to me that whole sequence from Estimated, terrapin and all that awesome psychedelic goodness that follows is what makes this show stand out for moi.
    For a while I was thinking “this shows ok but..?, “ by half way through the second those thoughts were gone baby gone. It’s a shame JG didn’t fully nail the China as that would of really took it up a notch overall.
    Good show, even better in person, first trip to the promised land, hot 20 year old GF along, tripping the light fandango in the cool California night sea breeze. What a trip that was, sighhhh.
    Dems we’re da daze…

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    That image that shows either two faces or a chalice depending on how you look at it.
    If I try to hear those anomalies I can, but if I just crank up some tunes and don’t try, then I only notice when it gets bad, if that makes sense. Another variable: plangent etc. Those old Road Trips and Dicks didn’t have the benefit of Plangent.
    Capitol 71 bonus disc did, AND, their multitrack so if say Bobby had some weird noise issues on his line, it couid isolated and messed with. Wood really love to hear some of that deconstruction tech they used on the Beatles…

    St Louie: going in I thought I was going to dig the 73 the most, and that one disc probably is my pick of the litter. I thought I’d dig the 71, but comparatively not as much as the other 2 years. But at first the 71s really stood out to me.
    I love when that happens!
    I think I recall thinking the music was great overall, but that there were some unfortunate anomalies.
    I guess to get full shows that’s going to happen sometimes especially in years that have been mined more extensively.
    To me when it comes down to it and your properly prepped and ready, once you settle in it’s all about the music!
    Like the band entraining, after a while it all becomes one…

    DV with a call for 6/16/90. That sounds good, just not sure if I should wait and watch it, or just fire it up now?
    Thinking I might dabble this WE with the Louie…still have some primal Doc to catch up on too.
    Finally getting a few extra days off, then one last push at this job swapping out net and installing new Cisco stacking tech. Owners are supposed to be gone so maaaayyybbbeee I can catch some tunes. I really need to get a portable personal rig but I’m such a snob that would get pricey and more importantly I don’t have time, err, if /when I do have time I’d rather just sit and listen to tunes!
    So 6/16/90, think that was my 86th show, weird/cool vibe, you had to be there, or maybe it was the roses ; )

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    For me there's a certain point where both the right brain and left brain agree that it's kick ass Grateful Dead I am listening to and recording anomalies fade into a blissfull background.

    Let it be known i am a recording snob.. so it hurts by my left and right to commit to great performance vs. great recording.

    I still think so highly of this run. Warts and all, it's classic Fall '72 GD.

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    Appreciate the insight Jim, BC and OB.
    I have found sometimes, for whatever reason I hear differently after the first go around with the Dave's and the Box sets. Most of the time, I think damn this sounds so good, once in a while I think, this sounds a little off. Sometimes I panic and think my speakers must be blown. I need to go out and replace them.
    Of course, yes, we are lucky they recorded almost all these shows. We all know there are all kinds of different results of the shows and recordings for various reasons. I would think there is no way Norman finished mastering 10/18/72 and texted Dave and said you can't believe how good this sounds. I could be wrong.
    I totally hear what you are saying on the 71 shows OB. Some of them definitely have a different sound to them, Dick's 35, RT#1.3. Great, but different. And then I compare them to the 71 Port Chester shows which sound incredible and are some of my alll time favorites.

    Jim, sorry to hear about the issues you are having, definitely hard stuff to deal with.

    Let me offer up Charlie Miller's 100th show for tomorrow, 6/16/90. There is a newer version from the man himself from 2019 and the version from VFTV III.

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    So I saved.. squirrelled, pinched pennies for 45 years and finally dropped the dime on my dream system I have been planning for all these years. I went completely with Fender Amps on the recommendation of some guy named Hal and now I read this.

    What are these McIntosh items of which you speak?

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    OB- Kenny Ban??. The Fatigues episode.

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    Man I wish I had time….for anything lol
    I’ll try to check some more of these audio anomalies out this WE.
    Hit me with examples if ya got em.

    Ive noticed this phenomenon with other recordings, think mostly 71-72s.
    Definitely could be tape degradation and/or perhaps a little oversaturated originally, but I think there’s amp distortion going on too? They were still mostly using dirty fender power at this stage. So like any real Rock and roller by the end of the night the amps are on 11 etc and with those old tube power sections/power supplies their easy to overdrive.
    By 73 they had pretty much fully switched to big McIntosh power amps, though they were still using the Fenders for pre amps. Like your pre amp at home though, you wouldn’t be pushing the pre amp that much (let the power amp do the heavy lifting). Think overworking a small car engine versus barely stepping on a big V8.
    Could be compromised cabling somewhere. Could be dirty and/or insufficient venue power too? That’s the problem with E lic tri city though, could be a number of things. Probably a bit of all the above…

    Yep BC, glad your digging the nice February weather. These days where it’s sunny and up in the 30s, “it’s gold Jerry, gold I tell ya! I should try to check out the ole St Louie, Louie, box, another I’ve barely been introduced too.
    Hoping 🤞I might be getting a little quality time off soon.

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    The '72 shows from the not quite the Fox Box have been in and out of the disc drive several times the past few weeks. All great for sure. I know first run through that it was the 10/19 jam that really kinda floored me. Yesterday listening to 10/18 again with the sound quality question in mind. One thing that struck me was that Keith sounded muddy and almost sort of kind of out of tune. I pay a lot of attention to Keith's playing, especially the "earlier days." Something was off and my guess was it was a SBD thing, how he was miked, and not Keith. (Edit - or as Jim suggests maybe some tape degradation.) Bobby's guitar also sounded a bit fuzzed in a recording artifact kind of way, though not unpleasant in any sense. But none of that stopped me from a thoroughly enjoyable listen. There was a point during the Dark Star where I was suddenly in a zone of complete wonder - a place that reminded me of my first deep "now I understand" listen to the Rotterdam Dark Star (on my weird balance SBD many many years before the box.) A really very cool place to be inside the music. So yes, that Disc 2 is some serious magic. One thing struck me as funny is Donna's yell in the Playing Reprise. I have no issues with her singing in those early days, truly dig it. And that Donna Playing ROAR was maybe the most primal vocalization I've ever heard from her. She was feeling the "Holy Spirit" big time!! Loved her quick soft little "Thank you Thank you Thank you" after it was all said and done. Another truly epic jam sequence.
    Listening to 10/19 Disc 1 right now this morning. Keith is hard right - i think he was slightly left of center 10/18. A little lower in the mix, tone sounds better to my ear. I'd have to do a hard A / B to be sure that my thoughts are correct on that. Now on Sugaree and Keith's piano and Jerry's vocals have now moved to center of the sound stage. I think Keith sounds a little better than 10/18 but still a tiny bit muffled? Maybe its my brain, who knows.
    Thanks DV for suggesting 10/18 awhile ago. I feel like these are my first really good deep listens to the '72 shows from that box. Like you said, great stuff. I ran through '73 a week or so ago and need to revisit that. At the time I remember thinking that the '72 resonated with me more and given that '73 is generally a big fat sweet spot for me I know that my head may have been ever so slightly out of alignment.
    To echo KeithFan over on the 45 thread - I'm really really digging Dave's 45. Spectacular sound. Great playing. Boy are we some lucky Deadheads. It was 10/1 Set II that really got me first run through. The Black Peter is so freaking gorgeous. And then the "random current" of that CB or whatever for a couple seconds and its like oh my freaking goodness. I can only laugh. Really, Universe? I first heard 1/31 NOLA last year while exploring a little around the 2/6/70 Fox (personal favorite.) I remember being very pleasantly surprised to find that they played that acoustic set. I think every single acoustic set they have in the vault needs to be released. Gave 1/31 acoustic another run through Sunday morning. Woke up from a short nap late Sunday afternoon and had Sawmill chorus running through my head again and again. I"m like "What is this song? where do I know it from? Oh Yeah, Bobby sings it on 1/31!" Talk about a poor boy, talk about a poor boy, let me have a dollar bill.
    Nice Poster Oro!! Your first show! Glad that the Almanac shone a light on your post - hadn't seen it. Another beautiful day here in paradise. Always loved this time of year in the high desierto. Onward!!

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    I have to revisit this.. but I think I recalled thinking something similar and attributed it to someone spinning the master reel a couple times too many before they locked it away. All three nights are good, but 10/18 is probably my favorite of the bunch, it would not surprise me a bit that someone on the inside thought so too. That and the BCT shows a month and a half earlier are both special runs from a special year.

    For kicks and giggles.. check out the Morning Dew from 5/26/72 at the Lyceum from the E72 box and then listen to it from the version on Europe 72. There is static on the box set version where the original sounds crystal clear. The masters degrade especially when people with two left thumbs (like me) handle them. A lot of the early shows suffer from this, listen to 4/18/70 (the Mountain Girl returned reels) sound and frankly a lot of 69.

    Well, at least someone remembered to hit record. Didn't Sony or one of the other music houses have their entire archive burn down a decade or so ago? Image the horror if GD masters were lost in a fire.🔥🔥🔥😭

    Been gone a bit lately.. spending quality time in the hospital with my aging parents. They seem to be on the mend though, which puts me back home and in good spirits. I hope to participate more as I get back on line with work and fun.

    Thanks for keeping the train a rollin' guys.

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    Thanks for looking into it OB.
    I have noticed it on all three CDs from 10/18. I don't hear it on 10/17 or 10/19, which I think are both smoking!

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Just checking in... Haven't been on in a while... Travel for work has started back up for me..... Hope everyone is well....Just wanted to say hi.... Bob t

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bluecrow, my email said 6 shows from different years. I went with 7/28/82 (matrix), 8/1/73, 6/20/74, 10/15/76, 3/9 and 10-81 and What about Gainesville?

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Good to hear from you Bob t. You better send us a pick soon.

Box set, to be honest, since it has been so long, I am starting to loose interest. No clue what this operation is doing.
Here is the Barton Fink to the latest Betty Boards recovered and in the Vault from the ABCD transaction. Enjoy!

Looking at 10/26/71, download series #3 for today. Sounding fantastic so far. First listen to this show for me.

Anybody catch the Shakedown Stream last night?

Anyone expecting box news was unfortunately left in the cold again.

Shoot, we should have another Dave's Picks by the end of next month and no clue what it is.

I find myself going back to that box all the time. Past couple days I traversed through 3/5's of it. Kept me company while working outside. Imagine the trajectory of that box had summerfest not been cancelled on the 2nd. The box woulda been even more smokin' imo if that's possible.

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Tell me it wasn't so!!!!

So we are doing 10/26/71 and July 78. Fantastic.. Just give us a few days.

Sorry for being away, not on purpose. Welcome back Bob!!

10/26/71 - It's got a Cumberland (and the third Comes a Time). What could possibly go wrong?

Okay, who has a pick for tomorrow to start the week?
Break the drought. Do it, it feels go.

Any interest in good old 11/24/78?

Dave's #39 is on the horizon. I am thinking we get another 80's release. What are you all thinking?

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I didn't make 11/24 today.. so tomorrow then.

As for #39, if there's one thing Dave is, it's predictably unpredictable. Another 80's wouldn't surprise me a bit, but we are more due for a late 60's show too.

I'm going to try to fit in July 78 too.. somehow.

Any clues Bolo?

Hey Jim,

My guess is you have heard 11/24/78 at some point?

Fantastic show and it has a Shakedown.

Will join you with at least 7/1/78 and 7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center.

The Willie Nelson Picnic. That was a huge deal for Willie. I recently saw a documentary on Willie and they talked about his big picnic shows he put on. Cool stuff, but they didn't mention the Dead playing at it in 78. That must have been something for those fans.

Dave could always throw out the first 90s show for #39? Who knows.

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This one is new to me.. Just finished the first set, a nice little post Egypt show. Looks like an Hamza El Din influenced second set including a stand-alone Fire near the end of the show..

Nice pick.

Wow.. checking out the weather in the PNW. Talk about Fire on the Mountain.. smoldering heat. Stay cool all.

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Can’t believe you never heard this one. Back in the day it was everywhere since it had been TV and radio broadcast.
Great multi/pro camera versions are available...
One if not the first show I ever saw on video. JG is outta his mind but on fire! Ya really need to see him!
Probably the most Bob jokes and MC lines of any show I can think of: “hello princess”, “ I wish they’d get these elephants of the stage” “don’t think about it, just do it, lean over...”” ladies and gentlemen we’d like to start the next segment...” etc etc, he’s like Letterman out there lol.
A MUST listen/viewing for any DH!

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Video is a must-see. Jerry was sick as a dog, voice was shot (they had to cancel the next show), but he played like his hair was on fire this night. A pro stepping up when the spotlight was on even though he felt crappy.

Great moment just before going into Shakedown when Bobby is trying to figure out where Jerry's going. He mouths, "What's he doing?" to the other guys. Priceless!

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I will start the second set via video then, later tonight. Thanks guys.

I am completely in the dark on this show.

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Never heard this one either! Sweet show! Thank you!11

Also, YDIGDH 6/30/74 is a stunner!

Peace

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One of my favorite modern era releases.

....and speaking of box sets.. so a priest, a rabbi and an atheist walk into a bar..

You might ask what does this have to do with sasquatch hunting and box set announcements? Exactly my point.

Onward.. lights are dimmed, it's concert time.

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6/30/85 Merriweather Post Pavilion: Hessberg Sennheiser ME-80s, Miller Transfer and Management Company.

This upload actually has all of the ID tags embedded, so I didn't have to do a half hour of data entry before listening to the show! Hooray for that! Sorry, did I just plug something?

Anyway, I'm sure you've all been to this show and have heard it a million times, but I've nowhere else to post these impressions, so use that scroll bar. I already had a copy of a different pull on hand, but hadn't paid much attention to the show until I started listening to this one that I downloaded yesterday before realizing I already had the show, but not this recording.

Solid. Tight. Focused. Most of the first set was on in the background. At that point I was, like, yeah, decent show; not sure what all the fuss is about. Keep on Growing was a nice surprise, but needed a couple more run-throughs, perhaps, if it ever got any. Then after switching to headphones at the end of LLR the show really started coming alive. That Shakedown jam... man... so dang funky. Got me movin', then... love that synth part Brent brings in. Samson is always a reliable rave up, and, again, I think the key words here are solid, tight, focused. One of the great things is that Bobby is really clear in the mix, and all that little Bobby stuff that he tosses in all over the place, just at the right moment, is all making these ever so slight course corrections in the direction of each tune. Gimmie Some Lovin', man they are taking no prisoners on the dance floor. Bobby's got some kinda auto-filter/flanger thing goin' on during this show that adding a really cool atmosphere. Would not have expected that during He's Gone, but there it is, and it's almost like he's adding little after-effects to Jerry's guitar. That's where I am now, but that Shakedown, which I'm sure you're all well aware of, really woke up my typing fingers. This AUD is actually crankable. Nice work, Mr. Hessberg!

7/1/78: YES! Love this one. Thanks for the reminder.

Yes.. a great show. Old Jer doesn't quite have the pipes to pull off the cryptical lyrics, but it's cool nonetheless. But hey, this show is all about that monumental, wonderfully funky Shakedown Street. Worth the price of admission for that performance alone.

Missed that anniversary.. Duooh.

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After an almost double listen to 7/1/78 and part of St. Paul, two days later.. I had some free time and a teeny tiny buzz so I hit the reaming portion of 11/24/78 but finished the show ala YouTube. I agree with Bolo that Jerry was a man on a mission. But what the heck happened to Keith? He was MIA and it was not the mix. Bobby, both drummers, of course Jerry and Phil, but Keith is out to lunch on this one. You almost wouldn't notice it but the there is the video. Depressing because I love Keith but there is somewhere else he would rather be this night.

It's no wonder Jerry felt the need to shred this night, because without him there would have been no energy.

Still good show and something I had not heard (or seen) before. Then again, as much as I love the rest of the band.. Jerry was the main attraction. So please do not view this post as a complaint.. just my two cents on how good this might have been if Keith showed up to work a full day.

Edit: One other add... in this video you really get to see Wolf in it's full glory. The Quilted or Zebra Stripped Maple is full-on electric dayglow under these lights. I have always had a soft spot for wildly figured maple and wildly figured wood in general. Sorry for the sidebar.. perhaps there's a carpenter or wood person out there that agrees.

That is all.. as you were.. Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round.

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Yeah, my impression, and that's all it is cuz wtf do I know, is that Bobby pulled a prank and forced that Cryptical, but Jer wasn't ready for it. It starts out pretty good, but the tail end of the lyrics escape him. He fights through it pretty good, and it's no worse than the run-through of Getting Better in the first set, :P but yeah poor Jer's lungs are not in great shape. The struggle adds an extra bit of emotion and vibrato. Sometimes the spontaneity bites'em but they gave it a good go. The drum duo and Other One that follow absolutely keep the second set flowing, though. Cryptical's short enough, but also rare enough that it doesn't really impede forward progress, 'cause they've got some momentum built up, for sure. That's as far as I got. It's Friday night here, so time to crank some vinyl and get lost. It's been one of those weeks. I will definitely be coming back to 6/30.... The Willie Nelson gig is on deck. Was listening to that a ton last year or the year before. You can kinda feel they might be feeding off the different vibe of the Willie audience. They mostly play it pretty straight, but can't fight the weirdness too long. Lookin' forward to revisiting that.

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First ran across this one when i was trading tapes because I really loved that Scarlet>Touch>Fire combo from 7/13/84.... 58 and rainy here today in R.I.!!! Summer tour of 1990 kicked off 31 years ago tomorrow in the same vicinity as this show, Bonner Springs... 100 degrees when the show started, what a tour!!! Enjoy your weekend everyone... Bob t

Loved 7/1/78 again last week. You wonder what the audience thought when they broke out Terrapin?
7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center is a great show. Great Scarlet Fire, Dancing in the Streets. One of my favorite versions of Werewolves in London.

Missed 7/31/84, will have to check it out. Thanks Bob t

Was thinking about 7/21/72 for today. Download Series #10. This show with bonus tracks is outstanding. If you have never listened to it check it out. Summer 72 is hot.

Stay well. Dave's Picks #39 by the end of the month? Can't wait.

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I just so happened to start that in the car yesterday and made it through Casey Jones (listen for the brief WRS at the end of that track).
Will resume the show tomorrow going to work.

Think I’ll play the 7-22 filler tonight.

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a freaky coincidence.

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You said well

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Not pillow talk again.

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The other day when that show came up, I happened to be listening too. There's a lot to like with that show. In fact, worth a relisten. I may go for it this weekend when I road trip. I am headed down towards bong, but not quite that far. I'm stopping at a different joint. :-)

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Okay, how does 2/26/77 sound to you all? This thing is on life support.

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Yes guys!

There is something about this show that still delivers. Must be the first Terrapin with no back up vocals and the Eyes!

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One of my favorite 77 shows for sure. I prefer it to dekalb, but at a certain point it's all subjective.

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1973? Written on the back, “if you can’t swing / then don’t hang”

“It don’t mean a thing
if it ain’t got that swing”

Composition by Duke Ellington
Lyrics by Irving Mills
Written in 1931

The list of musicians that have recorded it is impressive.

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It’s a 76/77 hybrid. Has elements from both years.

Think I’ll do the 2-27-77% filler that came with it.

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Great choice for opening the first set - Terrapin Station. I always hear it more as a song, than a jamming vehicle, and as such it seems better placed to me to start the first set than to pitch up half way through the second. Obviously the band didn't seem to agree.

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Who has a pick for today?

It has been 17 months since the last box announcement and eight months since they announced Dave's 38.
We need some news on what they have planned for the rest of the year soon.

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Okay, this one is for Oroborous. 12/13/1980 unless someone else has a pick?

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. . . and that's before i realized Flora Purim and Airto Moriera are sitting in during the drumz!!

which re-minds me of The Other Side Of This, a way-out-there album by Airto (produced by Mickey). highly recd. I'd linq if i could.

thanks DV for this POTD!!

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so more than a few days late on this. watched Set II video of 11/24/78 a cupula weeks ago- complete to-atl (total) John Deere time machine. Damn. So cool. So had a 2LP boot from ca. '82 and a grainy VHS from ca. 1996 yet it had probably been an easy 10+ since a visit. notes still carved in stone. love those early Shakedowns and this is where it started for me. and Hamza El Din w/ Mickey??!! Into Fire on the Mountain??!!

Bobby asking "what's he doing?" is freaking funny as heck!!

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Heard a snippet of "I Know You Rider" going out of the top of the 7th.

If Joe Buck wasn't so enamored with the sound of his own voice, I might have been able to pinpoint the show, or at least the era. Sounded pretty hot.

Oh, now out of the bottom of the 7th, Althea. I'll have to go back and listen if they did this every inning

that the misfits have become mainstream (or at least normalized).

....but it's way better than the alternative when we were unwelcomed (or imprisoned).

Progress.. perhaps, I'll take the win.

Good to see you Bolo.

First.. I am severely biased... because my alma mater is the Terrapin.

I love the Swing, start to finish, so it's hard to argue against a Terrapin opener. I love it as an encore too. But my favorite place for this song is well into the second set and it makes an excellent vehicle into the great unknown. Since we can no longer post linques.. might I reference 3/24/90. The Playin' In The Band>Uncle John's Band>Terrapin Station>Mind Left Body is other worldly. It really is.. excellent second set material.

I don't believe I am disagreeing in any way, just respectfully expressing the same thought from a different point of view, that being the slippery slope that is the beginning of the second set..

Love deep second set Terrapins. To me, it replaces a lot of the deeper space stuff prior to 74 from a post 75 point of view.

That’s where Terrapin rightfully belongs.
But you wouldn’t expect it to be there the first time played.

And then there’s that 3-18-77 Terrapin>Alhambra…..

Winterland March 77 Box anyone?