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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • 1stshow70878
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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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    Agree..

    Can anyone tell me why we did not get a Winterland '74 Box Set? The box design would, of course, been a mini Wall of Sound.

    Wars have been fought for less.

    Oh, the horror.

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    Would you like yours in a mini or mega? 1972, 1977, 1978 still ripe for the picking. Added together that equals mega I'd say. Taken alone some fine mini ones there. I think there's a New Year's 1971 available yet to add...

    P.S. Currently spinning the space jam from 10-18-1978

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    Stuck in the mud…

    Made through 5/4 and sorta first run of 5/7 (on crappy device while working) But got bogged down this week with mucho fuckery and distractions so lost my pace and mojo, hoping I can catch up this WE…
    ONWARD!

    NO MORE MINI BOXES!
    Every piddly little release is one less possible future box! Like most things there’s only so many, nothing lasts as the pranksters say…
    We’re running outta time so we need huge boxes with the best remaining 20 shows from each year.
    Perhaps more from years they’ve been stingy or ignored.
    This ain’t no party, this ain’t no disco, this ain’t no foolin around…
    Seriously, sales are flat, saturation for some has set in, old heads don’t want any newer stuff and/or are dying off etc, yeah, this could all go away sooner than later. We need to demand more output for the faithful, and stop worrying about the picky folks who only buy limited things. I totally understand not buying things you won’t use, but if we don’t support these releases, eventually, they’ll just stop!!
    They need to quit dicking around, otherwise,…..Smithers, release the hounds, it’s time to quit screwing around and storm the vault! Where the hell is Keithfan anyway? Thought he was getting close? Hear sound of foot tapping…AND,
    Hey Mickey, what happened to “everything’s going to get digitized and you’ll be able to order almost any show” (paraphrasing).

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    Mini boxes

    Maybe they could do that with vinyl releases, like they did with The Lyceum shows. Although I get the impression it didn't sell particularly well.
    I tend to segment them myself, when I listen to them, although I'm glad the cds were released in that mammoth box. I listen to most of them every year - but I couldn't do it consecutively, one show another in one chunk. I take all year about it - then come Spring in the following year...start again.

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    They're just getting warmed up by the time they get to Paris.

    I'm glad they didn't do this, but they could have divvied up the tour into little mini-boxes and it would have worked nicely.

    England Part I (Empire Pool, Newcastle & Bickershaw)
    Denmark (Copenhagen, Aarhus & Copenhagen)
    Germany (Bremen, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg, Munich)
    France (Paris, Lille & Luxembourg [close enough])
    The Netherlands (Amsterdam & Rotterdam)
    England Part II (the Lyceum, London)

    The performances by country partner well with each other. By the time they get to Paris they are just getting comfortable in their shoes. 5/3 is the monster and really is a masterpiece, but the second set of 5/4 has a jazzy aloofness to it that really works. The Netherlands shows also partner well with each other.

    But one box is better. I like the way the artwork has a central theme and is personal to each show; one box same artist for each show. Plus, as others have mentioned, at least once in your life the tour should be listened to from start to finish. Separate boxes would have resulted in a disjointed experience.

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    Germany: Some time traveler here once said my favorite show is the one I just listened to. Now it's Hamburg 4-29. They just keep getting better. Jerry mentions in response to an obvious audience call for something, we'll get to that, this is going to be a record, we have to do some new stuff. An awesome archive for Pig's legacy too. The He's Gone finding it's groove, that doesn't have the vocal harmonies worked out yet and so ends like a Bird Song. Priceless. And the Dark Stars. My pages of note are struck dumb. Paris next!
    Cheers

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Just checking in... Haven't been on in a while... Travel for work has started back up for me..... Hope everyone is well....Just wanted to say hi.... Bob t

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bluecrow, my email said 6 shows from different years. I went with 7/28/82 (matrix), 8/1/73, 6/20/74, 10/15/76, 3/9 and 10-81 and What about Gainesville?

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Good to hear from you Bob t. You better send us a pick soon.

Box set, to be honest, since it has been so long, I am starting to loose interest. No clue what this operation is doing.
Here is the Barton Fink to the latest Betty Boards recovered and in the Vault from the ABCD transaction. Enjoy!

Looking at 10/26/71, download series #3 for today. Sounding fantastic so far. First listen to this show for me.

Anybody catch the Shakedown Stream last night?

Anyone expecting box news was unfortunately left in the cold again.

Shoot, we should have another Dave's Picks by the end of next month and no clue what it is.

I find myself going back to that box all the time. Past couple days I traversed through 3/5's of it. Kept me company while working outside. Imagine the trajectory of that box had summerfest not been cancelled on the 2nd. The box woulda been even more smokin' imo if that's possible.

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Tell me it wasn't so!!!!

So we are doing 10/26/71 and July 78. Fantastic.. Just give us a few days.

Sorry for being away, not on purpose. Welcome back Bob!!

10/26/71 - It's got a Cumberland (and the third Comes a Time). What could possibly go wrong?

Okay, who has a pick for tomorrow to start the week?
Break the drought. Do it, it feels go.

Any interest in good old 11/24/78?

Dave's #39 is on the horizon. I am thinking we get another 80's release. What are you all thinking?

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I didn't make 11/24 today.. so tomorrow then.

As for #39, if there's one thing Dave is, it's predictably unpredictable. Another 80's wouldn't surprise me a bit, but we are more due for a late 60's show too.

I'm going to try to fit in July 78 too.. somehow.

Any clues Bolo?

Hey Jim,

My guess is you have heard 11/24/78 at some point?

Fantastic show and it has a Shakedown.

Will join you with at least 7/1/78 and 7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center.

The Willie Nelson Picnic. That was a huge deal for Willie. I recently saw a documentary on Willie and they talked about his big picnic shows he put on. Cool stuff, but they didn't mention the Dead playing at it in 78. That must have been something for those fans.

Dave could always throw out the first 90s show for #39? Who knows.

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This one is new to me.. Just finished the first set, a nice little post Egypt show. Looks like an Hamza El Din influenced second set including a stand-alone Fire near the end of the show..

Nice pick.

Wow.. checking out the weather in the PNW. Talk about Fire on the Mountain.. smoldering heat. Stay cool all.

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Can’t believe you never heard this one. Back in the day it was everywhere since it had been TV and radio broadcast.
Great multi/pro camera versions are available...
One if not the first show I ever saw on video. JG is outta his mind but on fire! Ya really need to see him!
Probably the most Bob jokes and MC lines of any show I can think of: “hello princess”, “ I wish they’d get these elephants of the stage” “don’t think about it, just do it, lean over...”” ladies and gentlemen we’d like to start the next segment...” etc etc, he’s like Letterman out there lol.
A MUST listen/viewing for any DH!

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Video is a must-see. Jerry was sick as a dog, voice was shot (they had to cancel the next show), but he played like his hair was on fire this night. A pro stepping up when the spotlight was on even though he felt crappy.

Great moment just before going into Shakedown when Bobby is trying to figure out where Jerry's going. He mouths, "What's he doing?" to the other guys. Priceless!

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I will start the second set via video then, later tonight. Thanks guys.

I am completely in the dark on this show.

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Never heard this one either! Sweet show! Thank you!11

Also, YDIGDH 6/30/74 is a stunner!

Peace

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One of my favorite modern era releases.

....and speaking of box sets.. so a priest, a rabbi and an atheist walk into a bar..

You might ask what does this have to do with sasquatch hunting and box set announcements? Exactly my point.

Onward.. lights are dimmed, it's concert time.

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6/30/85 Merriweather Post Pavilion: Hessberg Sennheiser ME-80s, Miller Transfer and Management Company.

This upload actually has all of the ID tags embedded, so I didn't have to do a half hour of data entry before listening to the show! Hooray for that! Sorry, did I just plug something?

Anyway, I'm sure you've all been to this show and have heard it a million times, but I've nowhere else to post these impressions, so use that scroll bar. I already had a copy of a different pull on hand, but hadn't paid much attention to the show until I started listening to this one that I downloaded yesterday before realizing I already had the show, but not this recording.

Solid. Tight. Focused. Most of the first set was on in the background. At that point I was, like, yeah, decent show; not sure what all the fuss is about. Keep on Growing was a nice surprise, but needed a couple more run-throughs, perhaps, if it ever got any. Then after switching to headphones at the end of LLR the show really started coming alive. That Shakedown jam... man... so dang funky. Got me movin', then... love that synth part Brent brings in. Samson is always a reliable rave up, and, again, I think the key words here are solid, tight, focused. One of the great things is that Bobby is really clear in the mix, and all that little Bobby stuff that he tosses in all over the place, just at the right moment, is all making these ever so slight course corrections in the direction of each tune. Gimmie Some Lovin', man they are taking no prisoners on the dance floor. Bobby's got some kinda auto-filter/flanger thing goin' on during this show that adding a really cool atmosphere. Would not have expected that during He's Gone, but there it is, and it's almost like he's adding little after-effects to Jerry's guitar. That's where I am now, but that Shakedown, which I'm sure you're all well aware of, really woke up my typing fingers. This AUD is actually crankable. Nice work, Mr. Hessberg!

7/1/78: YES! Love this one. Thanks for the reminder.

Yes.. a great show. Old Jer doesn't quite have the pipes to pull off the cryptical lyrics, but it's cool nonetheless. But hey, this show is all about that monumental, wonderfully funky Shakedown Street. Worth the price of admission for that performance alone.

Missed that anniversary.. Duooh.

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After an almost double listen to 7/1/78 and part of St. Paul, two days later.. I had some free time and a teeny tiny buzz so I hit the reaming portion of 11/24/78 but finished the show ala YouTube. I agree with Bolo that Jerry was a man on a mission. But what the heck happened to Keith? He was MIA and it was not the mix. Bobby, both drummers, of course Jerry and Phil, but Keith is out to lunch on this one. You almost wouldn't notice it but the there is the video. Depressing because I love Keith but there is somewhere else he would rather be this night.

It's no wonder Jerry felt the need to shred this night, because without him there would have been no energy.

Still good show and something I had not heard (or seen) before. Then again, as much as I love the rest of the band.. Jerry was the main attraction. So please do not view this post as a complaint.. just my two cents on how good this might have been if Keith showed up to work a full day.

Edit: One other add... in this video you really get to see Wolf in it's full glory. The Quilted or Zebra Stripped Maple is full-on electric dayglow under these lights. I have always had a soft spot for wildly figured maple and wildly figured wood in general. Sorry for the sidebar.. perhaps there's a carpenter or wood person out there that agrees.

That is all.. as you were.. Hand me my old guitar, pass the whiskey round.

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Yeah, my impression, and that's all it is cuz wtf do I know, is that Bobby pulled a prank and forced that Cryptical, but Jer wasn't ready for it. It starts out pretty good, but the tail end of the lyrics escape him. He fights through it pretty good, and it's no worse than the run-through of Getting Better in the first set, :P but yeah poor Jer's lungs are not in great shape. The struggle adds an extra bit of emotion and vibrato. Sometimes the spontaneity bites'em but they gave it a good go. The drum duo and Other One that follow absolutely keep the second set flowing, though. Cryptical's short enough, but also rare enough that it doesn't really impede forward progress, 'cause they've got some momentum built up, for sure. That's as far as I got. It's Friday night here, so time to crank some vinyl and get lost. It's been one of those weeks. I will definitely be coming back to 6/30.... The Willie Nelson gig is on deck. Was listening to that a ton last year or the year before. You can kinda feel they might be feeding off the different vibe of the Willie audience. They mostly play it pretty straight, but can't fight the weirdness too long. Lookin' forward to revisiting that.

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First ran across this one when i was trading tapes because I really loved that Scarlet>Touch>Fire combo from 7/13/84.... 58 and rainy here today in R.I.!!! Summer tour of 1990 kicked off 31 years ago tomorrow in the same vicinity as this show, Bonner Springs... 100 degrees when the show started, what a tour!!! Enjoy your weekend everyone... Bob t

Loved 7/1/78 again last week. You wonder what the audience thought when they broke out Terrapin?
7/3/78 at the St. Paul Civic Center is a great show. Great Scarlet Fire, Dancing in the Streets. One of my favorite versions of Werewolves in London.

Missed 7/31/84, will have to check it out. Thanks Bob t

Was thinking about 7/21/72 for today. Download Series #10. This show with bonus tracks is outstanding. If you have never listened to it check it out. Summer 72 is hot.

Stay well. Dave's Picks #39 by the end of the month? Can't wait.

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I just so happened to start that in the car yesterday and made it through Casey Jones (listen for the brief WRS at the end of that track).
Will resume the show tomorrow going to work.

Think I’ll play the 7-22 filler tonight.

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a freaky coincidence.

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You said well

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Not pillow talk again.

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The other day when that show came up, I happened to be listening too. There's a lot to like with that show. In fact, worth a relisten. I may go for it this weekend when I road trip. I am headed down towards bong, but not quite that far. I'm stopping at a different joint. :-)

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Okay, how does 2/26/77 sound to you all? This thing is on life support.

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Yes guys!

There is something about this show that still delivers. Must be the first Terrapin with no back up vocals and the Eyes!

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One of my favorite 77 shows for sure. I prefer it to dekalb, but at a certain point it's all subjective.

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1973? Written on the back, “if you can’t swing / then don’t hang”

“It don’t mean a thing
if it ain’t got that swing”

Composition by Duke Ellington
Lyrics by Irving Mills
Written in 1931

The list of musicians that have recorded it is impressive.

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It’s a 76/77 hybrid. Has elements from both years.

Think I’ll do the 2-27-77% filler that came with it.

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Great choice for opening the first set - Terrapin Station. I always hear it more as a song, than a jamming vehicle, and as such it seems better placed to me to start the first set than to pitch up half way through the second. Obviously the band didn't seem to agree.

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Who has a pick for today?

It has been 17 months since the last box announcement and eight months since they announced Dave's 38.
We need some news on what they have planned for the rest of the year soon.

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Okay, this one is for Oroborous. 12/13/1980 unless someone else has a pick?

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. . . and that's before i realized Flora Purim and Airto Moriera are sitting in during the drumz!!

which re-minds me of The Other Side Of This, a way-out-there album by Airto (produced by Mickey). highly recd. I'd linq if i could.

thanks DV for this POTD!!

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so more than a few days late on this. watched Set II video of 11/24/78 a cupula weeks ago- complete to-atl (total) John Deere time machine. Damn. So cool. So had a 2LP boot from ca. '82 and a grainy VHS from ca. 1996 yet it had probably been an easy 10+ since a visit. notes still carved in stone. love those early Shakedowns and this is where it started for me. and Hamza El Din w/ Mickey??!! Into Fire on the Mountain??!!

Bobby asking "what's he doing?" is freaking funny as heck!!

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Heard a snippet of "I Know You Rider" going out of the top of the 7th.

If Joe Buck wasn't so enamored with the sound of his own voice, I might have been able to pinpoint the show, or at least the era. Sounded pretty hot.

Oh, now out of the bottom of the 7th, Althea. I'll have to go back and listen if they did this every inning

that the misfits have become mainstream (or at least normalized).

....but it's way better than the alternative when we were unwelcomed (or imprisoned).

Progress.. perhaps, I'll take the win.

Good to see you Bolo.

First.. I am severely biased... because my alma mater is the Terrapin.

I love the Swing, start to finish, so it's hard to argue against a Terrapin opener. I love it as an encore too. But my favorite place for this song is well into the second set and it makes an excellent vehicle into the great unknown. Since we can no longer post linques.. might I reference 3/24/90. The Playin' In The Band>Uncle John's Band>Terrapin Station>Mind Left Body is other worldly. It really is.. excellent second set material.

I don't believe I am disagreeing in any way, just respectfully expressing the same thought from a different point of view, that being the slippery slope that is the beginning of the second set..

Love deep second set Terrapins. To me, it replaces a lot of the deeper space stuff prior to 74 from a post 75 point of view.

That’s where Terrapin rightfully belongs.
But you wouldn’t expect it to be there the first time played.

And then there’s that 3-18-77 Terrapin>Alhambra…..

Winterland March 77 Box anyone?