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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
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To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Gary...

.... I would never kid about a Partridge family offer!!

How can you NOT have their greatest hits in your collection. Wasn't available for years,,,, I had the rope around the beam ready to check out, when GOD himself informed me the album was dropping and I should wait. Well I did and was sonically rewarded, I woke up in love that morning, so come get happy. Nirvana awaits!!

Daverock...

.. You cut me to the quick when you said you sold your albums :-(

That has to hurt to this day. I regret I broke my little yellow kids 78's when I was about 7 ( I had outgrown them)

But thankfully I have EVERYTHING else I ever bought. Love my K-Tel records :-)

About the Partridge Family...

Their inspiration were the very talented family band and sunshine popsters, The Cowsills.
Check out The Rain, The Park and Other Things, some nice ear cotton-candy.

Oh cousin...

I have the cowsills greatest hits also. Apparently one of the few albums in my wife's house growing up,,,, so I got it for "her". It's actually the Cowsills IN Concert!!! Why would you NOT want them LIVE!!!

Good Vibrations -> Sunshine of Your Love -> Paperback Writer -> Reach Out, I'll be There!!!

What a suite of songs!!!

And this week's winner for phrase-ology:

"Screwed the pooch..."

Double bonus points as this comment referred to a Who album.

"Screwed the pooch" versus "over-egged the pudding"! Clash of the titans....

Pooch vs. Pudding

I heard pooch long before pudding, so I say pudding wins for innovation, and a less disturbing image.

Going through boxes of stuff

Found my old copy of Guitar player magazine with Jerry on the cover from 1978 or 79. I used the cover for decor and is now somewhere.

I remember when that arrived at our home in wisconsin. Jerry definitely had charisma...I had heard of the GD peripherally and on radio and SNL...I wanted to read that article (and did of course).

Pudding

Fo sho!
Pops used to say shit like “screw the pooch” all the time, but eggin’ the pudding...brilliant!
Love new ones....

Disturbing images, thinking Randy Marsh in China with Mickey...

PF, Sweeet, I have that Guitar player mag, plus a few others from back then. Unfortunately don’t have the one with Phil from a year or 2 before. I should re-read that...

Good Gawd Almighty, Proudfoot

I must have a defense mechanism that allows me to enjoy a twisted phrase, but without actually VISUALIZING it.

So, thanks for the visual on "screw the pooch." They were just WORDS until you chimed in............

That said, I do live in the West, where men are men and, so it's said, the sheep run scared.

Okay, time for Dave's video on DP # 39! Once again I've inadvertently led the race to the bottom. Oh wait, there's another phrase that I never thought through!

Nitecat

Yeah on the Bonus Disk to the "All the years combine" dvd box, on the second grouping is Justin Kreutzmann documentary from 1992 titled "Backstage Pass." The first segment or chapter is a nice Pig Hard to Handle, then the second chapter is a Drums segment with Billy and Mickey alone in a studio. They did the custom drums for this documentary, so you will hear at first like beads hitting each other and then Mickey and Billy hitting these two long vertical drums and it is off and running. Lots of grate footage through out Backstage Pass. But during this drums you will see the train, will not say more though, as it is intense. It also has these Dead motif walking puppets that are a trip. Maybe someone can pinpoint where this footage is from. Hope that helps, sorry for the delay.

A Family Bus

and "come on, get happy!"

I think Bear helped with their sound system.

Last 5

1 Best of Muddy Waters, 2. Workingman 's Dead expanded version, 3. Charlie Musslewhite, Louisiana Fog, 4. Anthem of the Sun expanded version, 5 Best of Little Walter. Last 5 beers.. Plin y the Elder. x 5.

Live at Leeds

Listening right now

When you need a palette cleanser, L@L is a good one.

Last 5/Not Ashamed(of anything!!)

Last 5: CSNY-Deja Vu box-disc 3
CSNY-Deja Vu box-disc 2
Lemon Pipers-Best Of
Cream-Royal Albert Hall-disc 2
Yes-Close To The Edge-Steven Wilson mix

Dennis, you continue to be my brother from another mother. I have Partridge Family Best Of, a 2-disc Cowsills, one of which is Best Of. Not to mention ABBA’s Greatest Hits, 5th Dimension-Gold, and at least a dozen more that most people wouldn’t admit to owning, much less enjoying.
Music is the Best!!

Enjoying both

I didn't need another copy of Skullf#@% but I'm interested for the 7/2 tracks. I agree that Pigpen on organ was exactly what the Dead needed in 1971-1972. Sure he may have hit a bad note now and then, but they all did. Pigpen had a great presence of mind to play exactly when needed.

Holding The Poison Down

"And now for something completely different..."

- Monty Python

For years now I've been writing the Foo Fighters off as populist soccer mom rock, and Dave Grohl as an over exposed puppy dog. I cannot believe how much I love the new record, Medicine At Midnight.

Very stylistically diverse and just a beautiful, fun, warm rock record. Amazing. I could not gush more.

And now back to your regularly scheaduled programming...

Foo Fighters

My wife used to watch top 20 video countdown

FF "LEARNIN TO WALK AGAIN!!!"

and

"THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST!!!"

no hate or disrespect

Just facts

I was lucky enough to see Nirvana in '92

Dave Grohl

Not a huge fan of his music, but he is a cool dude. Sound City is an outstanding documentary.

Ella

Just scored a Ella Fitzgerald collection (the complete songbook series)

Talk about Ella came up last night at work and came home to check my Ella stuff. I have several of the "song books" collections. Never knew the was a "complete" box set. Guess it out of print. Amazon had big dollar pricing. Found a copy on a site called Mercari,,,, 83 bucks!!! 16 cd box!

From wiki -

They are considered a cornerstone of 20th century recorded popular music, and as a whole, represent some of the finest interpretations of the greater part of the musical canon known as the Great American Songbook.

The New York Times columnist Frank Rich was moved to write a few days after Fitzgerald's death that in the Song Book series, she "performed a cultural transaction as extraordinary as Elvis's contemporaneous integration of white and African-American soul."

Here was a black woman popularizing urban songs often written by immigrant Jews to a national audience of predominantly white Christians. As Ira Gershwin said, in the line quoted in every obituary: "I never knew how good our songs were until I heard Ella Fitzgerald sing them." Most of the rest of us didn't know, either. By the time she had gone through the entire canon, songs that had been pigeonholed as show tunes or jazz novelties or faded relics of Tin Pan Alley had become American classical music, the property and pride of everyone."[3]

Sorry for the non sequitur,,, I just had to share my good fortune.

Oh,,,,, don't tell the wife!!

Mr Ones & the 5th

HOW CAN YOU NOT LOVE THE 5th DIMENSION!!!

Here inside my paper cup we listen while on Stone Soul Picnics!

...Reading this thread...

I can't help but remember Mr. Ones catch phrase, Music is the Best.

There's always something going on around here and certainly not restricted to the Grateful Dead.

Ella, Ella, Ella

Flashback to ~1975... I'm 17... We get tickets for Ella Fitzgerald with the Count Basie Orchestra (the Count was conducting, I believe) and we head to the Westchester Premier Theater (now closed).

Picture 4-5 teenagers with long hair, flannel shirts and jeans, probably stinking of pot, possibly with "white walls" around our nostrils (we got into blow that year), entering the theater, where everyone was dressed in their New York City best. Just after the show began. The ushers wouldn't seat us in our ticketed seats down front -- understandable now, but not then. But they seated us somewhere. Ella and the band played a remarkable set and Phil Woods -- one of the greatest clarinetists ever -- played a solo that I still remember absolutely devastated us. Then the band took requests. The process was amazing! A well-heeled jazz fan in the audience would yell out a tune. The Count would confer with his band. Always, a player would say something like, 'Oh yeah, that's a bouncy thing in G#m" and band heads would nod in agreement, Ella would say yay or nay on her knowing the lyrics -- or she'd scat/fake 'em -- and off they'd go. So polished, you wouldn't know they'd never played it before. During intermission, we did get seated in our seventh row center ticketed seats, standing out like a pocket of hoodlums in a coiffed crowd. Amazing night.

We caught all kinds of uptown jazz and swing acts in those days because my buddy's dad had been a drummer for the fabled Savoy record label in Neward, NJ, and when he heard us listening to the Band of Gypsys (Hendrix of course), he went to his record collection, pulled out 15 LPs, handed them over and said, 'Okay, if you're gonna listen to Hendrix and the Dead etc., you also have to learn where everything came from. Dig this!' And he thrust the well-played platters into my hands. That opened me up to the music of the 1940s, '50s and early '60s. Of course, over the years, I pushed back to the '30s and '20s -- Robert Johnson and Co., Lonnie Johnson, etc., which was a legacy of my friend's dad lifting the veil on popular music.

So, I may be HF, but I got schooled by that LP collection and dozens of killer shows in NYC while I lived in the area. Good times. Big ears. Ask about our Oscar Petersen 'experience' sometime.

That is all...

5th Dimension - Summer of Soul

The 5th Dimension are figured prominently in the Summer of Soul documentary on Hulu. Good flick. Seeing Mavis Staples singing with Mahalia Jackson may not make you a believer, but it will sure make you happy.

Would love to meet Mavis someday. Woman has the power of a thousand suns.

"and with a voice like Ella's ringing out

there's no way the band could lose"

Wife had the good fortune to hear EF at a jazz camp back a few decades

Mighty Mavis

Caught her with Amy Helm and another great singer at Chautauqua in Boulder a few years back. Then again opening for Dylan, when she promised to literally kick the ass of the Mango Mussolini -- cracked up the crowd. Boy, think of the Pay-for-View revenue from that televised event..............

Bad sign: two posts in a row

But I'll spin DP 36 again this week, as I feel an announcement coming on 39 -- perhaps this Friday, if the pattern holds?

Huh, I never used to be like this -- impatient for a release, when there's more to life than DPs...

Okay, who the f*** am I kidding??

DaP 39

I can't believe I am saying this.. but it does look like we will get an update on 39 before the box set reveal.

The third release of the year can be the real wildcard of the subscription. I am guessing 82 or 91, but would be stoked with a 69 dropped into this years lineup. In any case.. it seems it will compete with the box set reveal to an extent.

In other words.. Dave, if you're listening, we need another release.

Seeing is believing

It'll be a bit of a shock to log on here and see news of an upcoming release.

GarciaLive 1.5?

I've been grooving to a lot of JGB lately (GL 16 is very nice), and have been wishing for some JGB releases from the early 80s. I looked into some good bootlegs online, then came across old news about how 6/26/81 was "released" officially many years ago, but only as a download, only for one week, and perhaps only as an incentive to purchase a t-shirt? No wonder I didn't get it, and I get everything.

Does anyone have the official download? And are you willing to share, please? If it were available for sale then I wouldn't ask.

Thanks!

Hold onto your wallets, boys

Okay, so now the conventional wisdom is that DP 39 gets announced and, three weeks later, arrives, meaninig a box set announcement in the dog days of August?

Either that pushes the box news to post-Labor Day -- hey, I'm in no hurry to get there at this point, summer in the Rockies is so freakin' short -- or the TPTB simply ignore all rules of retail and count on the news spreading like wildfire, even if some folks have disappeared into the mountains in August...

Then there's the sense I got that beyond the DP series and the box, there's one other release getting teed up.

So, the mystery is probably not that mysterious: why no news, when last year the '76 box came somewhat early? I'm thinking that either the tapes, the box design or other production issue has hit a glitch and they're not announcing until and unless the path to a sales or preorder date is smoothed out.

What's the other release? I'd love to think it's an "early" Wake of the Flood -- a favorite of mine as I heard so much of it in concert prior to the LP's release. But here are a couple other thoughts: they skipped anything to do with the 50th of Live/Dead/Fillmore West because they've done the limited edition as well as a nice compilation for losers like me (who convinced myself at the time of release that I "didn't have the money"... Idiot!!) The coupling of WD and AB with '71 shows was simply that they have few '70 shows to spare and had already mixed the Capitol '71 run so those shows were handy. But doing a 50th of Skull & Roses, coupled with only a single disc of 7-2-71, threw my theories a curveball. I can't see anything clearly in this cloudy crystal ball. What if they release a DVD of one of the Euro '72 shows next year and WotF in 2023?? Just trying to think outside the black hole...

They're obviously not going to wait until 2039 to release a 50th Built to Last, as Dave clearly stated, so when does the acceleration begin? They've surely got enough '73 left in the can to do a full show with WotF, but that year's shows were nearly always 3 discs' worth. Except, um, the Watkins Glen soundcheck....(Yet the Compendium lists the soundcheck at 90 minutes, which would require a 10-minute trim job. Ugh.)

Okay, obviously running out of original ideas and now just circling back to my usual 2020-2021 harangue over a '72 box and a '73 WotF w/ Watkins bonus "idea." Just rambling now........

I swear I'll stop now...

After this: so I went back to Dave's seaside chat from 23 Oct 2020 and, skipping over "this version is amazing" and "you'll love the way the band does blah blah blah" and Dave says "we're doing preliminary work on the 2021 box, which we'll talk more about in a few months, I'm sure..."

Well, that clears up .......... NOTHING!

Since it looks like MUATM wont happen this year...

I plan to at long last experience a VFTV show on August 1

7 8 90? Nah.
6 16 90? Maybe.
6 14 91? Could easily be.
87? Uhhh....
GD movie? Nuh.
12 31 78? Hey.....

Hey! I have a copy of Essen 81!

THAT ONE!

I remember hearing/watching 6 14 91 and seeing Jerry morph into a lion.

That was cool.

The late Top Petty said it best....

...."the waiting is the hardest part."

Right There With You Proudfoot

We can have the party without them. Perhaps they will toss us a Shakedown Stream for good measure.

I love a good sense of humor.. I was reading this discovery of Neanderthal's ability to create art from deer bones 51,000 years ago in a cave in Germany, "the Unicorn Cave" to be exact.. (if I could attach the lenk to the article I would).. and at the article ended with the following line:

"The Neanderthal who turned a deer bone into art could not be reached for comment."

I know the box announcement

Jerryz birthday or the friday before

dead head brewer and JGB

check pm, hit me with a email

S&R 50th

cd and propeller vinyl came today. The prop effect was neat, should look good spinning. Unlike the picture on the site that made it look white, it was clear vinyl with black prop.

I have faith....

....that I won't be shamed for sharing the news that Britney Spears is retiring from recording.
Guilty pleasure. I know I've posted my appreciation for here before. I like beats. Her dad is a Pos.
Anywho. Also itching for a box set. Still waiting. I'm still waiting.
It's going to be Fall 72.

Dennis

I want to thank you for all the great music I have been able to download from you. Thanks so very much for sharing your stash. If I had the world to give.......

Vguy and Britney

Not a fan or non fan, but I love the lyrics to "Piece of Me". What a great song for the double entendre. I think I'd bet a dollar a doughnut she didn't write it, but the truth of the lyrics is astounding!

Sometimes it seems like......

....... there's just TOO much music available in the world!

I have a very sprawling collection of music and can still be caught off guard.

Buddy showed up yesterday and asked if I ever heard Dr. Lonnie Smith. I never had AND I had none in the collection.

Quick youtube check showed I needed some of this guy. ( I like the cover of Sunshine Superman with Iggy Pop)

Anyone got a nice collection they like to share,,, maybe I can offer some Jimmy Smith in return?

Dennis/Dr. Lonnie

How right you are. There is so much music that my wife thinks that I have ENOUGH music right now. I keep telling her that's not possible, but she does not understand. A lot of people confuse Dr. Lonnie Smith with Lonnie Liston Smith. Easy to do because they both play the organ, but in fact, 2 different people. I have a bunch of Lonnie Liston Smith, but the only Dr. Lonnie Smith I have is called Afrodesia. I'd be happy to send you a burn copy, if you want to PM me. Music just might break up this ole marriage O'mine!!

Keep listening, because Music is the Best!!

Box Announcement

I'm guessing there is a very real possibility that Garcia's family is up to their old tricks and started another legal battle. The second box from 2020 never came, now we're over a year out since the last one. Reminds me of 2007, we got one release that year, Spirit of 76. Later we found out it was because Koons had gone to court to take a bigger cut. Not sayin', just sayin'.

I certainly hope it's not a legal issue

The GD organization and its beneficiaries are...not destitute. Mo' money?

Hopefully the delay is just a "hey man, I had to make sure it was 'just exactly perfect'" thing

6 30 74

Very nice

Has anyone here attended a show with Seastones? 1974, that is.

Seastones.....

If you know the animated series BoJack Horseman

(humans and animals/insects/etc. coexist in a society where the animals have human bodies but animal/insect heads...just go with it...)

In an episode last night, a stagehand with a goat's head is wearing a goat skull steal your face Tshirt that reads "Goatful Dead"

Seastones live

Guilty as charged. I saw Seastones performed at Ally Pally in London, September 1974. They played three nights and I think Seastones was performed at the second and last shows. I have no idea which of those two nights was graced with my presence but I did witness Ned and Phil in action between sets. I was totally unimpressed by their electronic noodling. A compilation of the three shows was released as Dick's Picks Volume Seven. I have previously documented my subsequent efforts to get home after the show on here so I won't return to that now. I blame the space cakes.

Thank you simonrob, for your honesty

I was on the road in '74 and had to leave San Francisco in the 2nd week of Sept '74 to get home for school. So I missed Seatones shows and, yes, the "last 5 nights." So close, but no cigar. And, based on the tapes I've heard, I did not miss out when it came to Seastones. The '74 version of "Eyes"? Yes. But not Seastones.

Perhaps an acquired taste, like Ouzo? (Got a story there.....)