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    "When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

    Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

    Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

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  • Oroborous
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    Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
    I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
    It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
    First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

    - FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
    - THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
    - BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
    This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
    - TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
    - THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
    - THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
    - WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
    - WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
    -“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
    DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
    I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

    A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
    The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
    But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
    - SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
    It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
    HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
    I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
    This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

    LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
    Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.

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    GD, zits and all

    play on
    play on
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    A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

    Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”

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    Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

    We now return to our regularly scheduled program.

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    I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.

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    That is pretty much what I currently have.

    About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.

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    Ha!

    Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

    Awesome Version Alert -

    My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

    I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

    Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.

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    lol moment last night

    went to bed early
    had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
    she comes up later
    I am asleep
    Space is full steam
    She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

    uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....

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    Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

    https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

    Pimp up your ride.

    (......honey, I got us a new car!)

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    So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

    It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

 *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Dennis & Nappyrags - You’re welcome. I am a fan, too, of Morgan. I read his bio, and how he was mentored by Art Blakey as a young player, and then the documentary was released, which intrigued me more. An interesting part of this release is Jack DeJohnette sitting in for part of a set; Jack is kind of like the Jim Keltner of jazz, has played with so many different artists and albums, incredible. I was fortunate enough to see him play with John Scofield (and meet him after). Regardless, this set is definitely on my radar, especially since things are a little “dry” on the Dead front.

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New picture on Dave’s Twitter feed of a tripod and video camera next to the shore. Unless he’s teasing us, I reckon we’ll see something around the Friday mark

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That Mike - it doesn't look like Ginger Baker left a trail of happiness wherever he went, that's for sure. Apart from when he was on stage, that is.

Miles Davis excepts from "Jack Johnson" L.P. on the way to my house via RSD. I haven't got the box set set of these recordings, so I am looking forward to hearing what this sounds like. A freight train, probably.

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I think the mystery dark star is from 30 DOD 2019. 10/12-13/68 would make a nice box either way. Late 89 sounds good.

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I compared this to the 9/2/68 Dark Star from Betty Nelson’s Organic Raspberry Farm, based on Doc’s observations. It compares favorably, so I’ll say sometime between Sept.-Nov. of ‘68.

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Jim, SDUBBZ03, sounds like you guys concur on 10/12/68. Thank you also Mr. Ones DOC for your input. Even better that I can go through the 30 Days of Dead pick it up. It was one of those deals where I stumbled upon it and normally wouldn't have paid much mind to it, but I thought it was just really really extraordinary good. So then the hunt began, but I didn't have it on my phone on any of the official releases or the many soundboard dark stars I have uploaded to it. And of course I don't have 30 days of dead on my phone. That may change soon, because I also just recently found a much better recording of Bird Song from 9/10/72 on 30 Days of Dead.

I ended up putting together a bunk bed set today and haven't had a chance to grab this elusive Dark Star, but I did listen to it a bunch of times on the YouTube video. It will be in my Jam playlist by sunset.

I used to have software to do that kind of editing and crossfading. Made a couple of cool Pink Floyd mixes about 20 years ago when CD burners were all the rage. I'm looking for some kind of comparable software do that with now. I would love to meld together a mix like this again.

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O sure woI'll ld like that.

I sure would like that.

I heard 6 22 86 set one for the first time earlier today. Glorious Greek energy.

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39 years ago today, I was down in Ventura for the 2nd show of the weekend, it was the first year the Dead would play in Ventura. They brought back Crazy Fingers on this day , they hadn't played it in awhile. I'm sure there are enough good shows from Ventura to make a great box. Ventura, Greek, and Frost, not a single release yet, I tell ya, a lot of those shows seemed pretty good to me at the time.

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It bothered the heck out of me when I saw the Dark Star date was 10/12/68, because......where is Pigpen with his repetitive keyboard melody? (this is what had me guessing as late as 1970). Went to archive.org to look at the show and read "Notes: Pigpen was absent".

The world is back to normal.

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So found myself Truckin' up to Buffalo with the wife and her wonderful sister, her awesome husband, and my fantastic teenage niece. So far, since they arrived last Wednesday, we have taken in a trip to Newport, RI for some good food at a place called the Red Parrot we ate at a few months ago, and took a quick walk down to the sea at the Cliff Walk. Then drove back home outside Boston, slept, then off to Falmouth and a ferry to Martha's Vineyard. When we got there, we decided bikes in the heat and humidity would kill those of us well beyond the thought of in shape, and thus rented a Jeep. After lunch at a packed spot, where at one point a very soft acoustic guitar and bass began the familiar rhythm of Scarlet Begonias, then a soft female voice sang it. Hard to hear over the din of the restaurant, but unmistakably Scarlet. But food down our gullets, we proceeded to cover most of the island in several hours. (Several hours of this idiot foregoing sunscreen and the top in the Jeep. Though, at least I wore my hat to protect the bald pate.) We saw several lighthouses, but fog shrouded much else. Though some cliffs were visible, just nothing beyond 20 ft of the water or so, but the sun appeared in spots. We ferried back, and today we set out for Niagra Falls, and in the search for something to do on driving day, I suggested we stop for waterfalls in Ithaca and Barton Hall for a quick few photos.

What a great decision! There is something really fantastic about Cornell and Ithaca. The college is situated on top of a large hill overlooking a valley carved by glaciers, and the massive Cayuga Lake behind it. Seeing it behind the lake on the way out was just magnificent, you could get a better idea of the grandeur of the architecture or Cornell. Barton Hall itself is a giant track and field brick barn. It looks like an acoustical nightmare, as Bob Weir himself said it was. But it sits neatly among these awe inspiring buildings on a campus that has produced incredible things in a variety of fields and done so for a long time. I think that partly has to do with the idyllic setting. If you ever have the chance to pass that way, do yourself a favor and go through campus and check it out. Peek in the window, and imagine the crew setting up for the show. Peer up at the scaffolding in the ceiling and think of the dying chords of Morning Dew reverberating their last on that Mother's Day evening... Right after that we went to the Ithaca Falls, which is right down the road, and behind the campus. Walking down a little gravel strewn path for a couple hundred yards towards an intensifying roar of water thundering down 156' falls gives you a sense of the power of a place like this. But tomorrow those falls shall be eclipsed by those at Niagra.

Back on the road following our visit to the site of the mind control experiment, when it came my musical selection I chose Jack Straw from Cornell. I wanted Scarlet, but they would have balked at 12 min, so went with Jack at 6. As it played, I found I could picture them playing it there in a way I really couldn't before.

Ithaca is indeed a very cool place.

Based on the timing of your post, you have likely left for Buffalo. I would’ve given you some other places to check out. Feel free to send me a PM if you would like.

It’s unfortunate that Canadaland is still closed. The falls are something to behold from that side. Also, Niagara on the Lake is a neat little town.

And the Anchor Bar is overrated for wings. Duff’s is decent and is right on your way to the falls.

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Ithaca, sweet hidden gem, used to have some cool funky culture too...
Letchworth State park would of made another nice stop along the way...
Concur, Anchors ok, Duffs is better, but Mammosers is the shit!
Even most of the locals don’t know about it!

Unfortunate Canada’s still locked down, the falls are much nicer on the Canadaland side...
Albright Knox Art gallery is nice if your into that and there’s a nice lake/park there to go for a walk or sit and eat lunch. Historical museum and the Zoo are nearby...
City hall and Frank Loyd Wright house if your into architecture, Chippewa Street is a whole street of clubs/bars etc, Naval Park and the waterfront, especially if they have concerts on Thursday nights..

Safe Travels!

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Was just there again for our annual summer bike-beach trip over the 4th. If you were in a deadhead bar in Edgartown theres a good chance it was the Sea Shanty. There's a massive framed MV-themed stealie on the stairs heading to roofdeck, always warms my heart to see it still there even after all the years...even if it is missing its nose holes. No nose you say? How does it smell?! Like the ocean. And with the mention of Letchworth y'all seem to following me around this summer. Birds of a feather indeed. Hope everyone is finding some comfort and repose during this summer of insanity. Highly recommend the new King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard album, Butterfly 3000. Every single album they put out is unique but uniquely their own...HIGHLY recommend for heads into neo-psychedelia and incredible musicianship. To some it can be a tough listen at first but you WILL be rewarded deeply for exploring multiple offerings of theirs.. Also go see Khruangbin at Newport Jazz, they are one of the BEST new bands the last decade.

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..but I think I will pass on taking my boat off Niagara Falls. (one side note, there is a rapid called Little Niagara on the river I live on, so I'll get my Niagara fix today). Cool story, I am a big venue enthusiast.. my next trip to Europe I plan on visiting some new venues.. a lot of us seem to have a venue fascination and it's great how you can turn almost any road trip into a GD themed adventure.

One other parting note, we need a new release..

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A show from Frost or Ventura, I think they are saving up for a Greek box.

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Sounds good to me, Billy. Ventura may be more likely, since the Frost shows were broadcast live on the Stanford radio station each year. I'm ready for that Greek box, like you I attended every one.

For a while I've been digging into 1970 Dead, enjoying the unique psychedelic guitar work of Jerry on Dancing', Good Love, Hard to Handle, Man's World, Lovelight, Masons children.

TTATS 1970
Dave's 6
Dave's 19
and of course the radio broadcast that got me into the Dead, released decades later as Dick's 8. 5/2/70 Harpur College. Boy in 1972 I was cranking that radio broadcast! I was fortunate enough to have my friend's older brother had recorded it off the radio. And off I went on the bus, later in August 1972 at the Berkeley Community Theater, never to be the same again!

Good stuff. I really like 1970 Dead.

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Gabriel's Gate also has some fine wings. Right near Chippewa Street, which Oro already correctly pointed out as being awesome.

Edit: Also, don’t forget to try a Beef on a Weck.

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Pretty sweet Nitecat to get your start at the Berkeley Community Center in August 1972. Those are shows are high on my list. Glad you made it through all these years.

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Nitecat, the 1970 show in TTATS, is my favorite show in the whole box.

King Crimson Court on CD which I bought at Harvest Records in Salem
6 22 86 disc 2
Zappa Guitar tracks from disc 2
Motorhead Iron Fist
12 11 72 disc 2 :)))))))))))))))))))))))
6 22 86 disc 3

Tasty

....yummy. But not now. Stupid vguy made chicken last night and didn't check the expiration date. Got my son and I both sick today.
Not covid, but damn. Food sounds gross right now.
Just plopped in Dave's Jai-Alai Fronton. More digestible lol.
Iron Maiden just put out a new track. The Writing On The Wall. They continue to age like a fine wine.

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Oh, sweet mama.. VGuy's got them old chicken blues...

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I checked that out from 10/12/68. That scratchy thing Mickey plays is extremely loud and annoying. Gets in the way of some premier liquid Garcia. I am a big fan of the primal Dead late 60s two drummer make up of the band during the big jams, when Bill and Mickey were in sync and nailing it, but sometimes like this Mickey should have just sat on his hands. Didn't miss that scratchy thing or gongs after he left. He could be a little much at times.

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Schwabl’s....Period!!
Since 1837

For more, check out Buffalo Stories: Schwabl’s Restaurant (since the world would end if we posted you know what’s)

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No, not the GD!
The Another Timbre label are putting out a 4 CD box of pieces by John Cage in August, so that gives me something to look forward to. Not long to #39 being released.
Edit: Has Vguy come up with another definition of chickenshit?

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I enjoy going over to Bobby Weir's Sweetwater in Mill Valley periodically for lunch or dinner and a show on occasion, but have been on hiatus from there since the mean ol' pandemic struck.

Sounds like they've brought in a new chef with a pretty good pedigree, even though the food was quite good before as well. Looking forward to getting back on track there with the new menu, and shows starting up again in September:

Information from an article on the sfchronicle website on July 20, titled "Marin's popular Sweetwater Music Hall is leaning into food with a cozy new restaurant".

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Hey all,

There looks like a stand alone release for GD 12/10/71 3cds or Vinyl. I already ordered on Amazon

Edit: if this turns out to be part of a bigger boxset, I’ll cancel my order. That’s the beauty of Amazon

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Thanks for the heads up, adedhead68, this looks really cool, let's hope it's part.of a bigger #1971 box set.

...has been reissued at Real Gone Music and available for preorder for anyone who may have missed out on this monster gem.

Sixtus

Hasn’t got to Amazon in the UK yet. Didn’t show up on the US site when I searched for Grateful Dead CD but found it looking in all departments searching Grateful Dead. It’s due out on 1st October. Let’s hope there’s more to come

Edit Three attempts before the above would post I had to remove the final full stop and add a couple of blank lines at the end

Edit2 Had to remove a colon after Edit to post the edit

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Yeah, I order cd & vinyl. Copy I have from archive sounds very good, but?!?!

Here's hoping for a larger more complete box and yes, easy to cancel from bezos (he's back from space)

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Awesome standalone release, but I'd personally prefer a multi-year Fox box over a Fall '71 set. Between Dave's 22 and 26 (plus bonus discs) and the Road Trips Austin release, we already have a good bit of music from this era, which isn't all that high on variety in setlist or in playing.

More new music is always a joy regardless, but the '71 set just wouldn't be my first pick.

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Any clues, gents? Checked Amazon, Googled it, etc.

This is very nearly proto-Euro '72, in a sense.

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Did not see that coming. Interesting.

Yeah. That’s our box I believe. Bezos leaked from space.

I found it on the US Amazon site by searching for Grateful Dead and then filtering for Release Date
Good luck

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The 12/10/71 show might be a 'break out' release from a Fall '71 box? The artwork looks pretty legit (similar to June '76 box). Odd choice for a box since they released plenty from this period already (RT 3.2, DaP 22,26) Anyway, looking forward to it!

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My guess was a combo of lineups from 71 for a box, but it could be a multi-year fox box . This is a good show someone recently recommended I think it was Keithfan. And it comes up easily looking under Grateful Dead Fox on Amazon. Thanks for the tip adedhead68.

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If I read their 12/10/71 playlists correctly, the second set closing NFA suite and OMSN are not included. It's definitely in the vault, it has been played at deadnet (2016 Tapers Section). This makes me suspicious that it's an official "official" release. A complete version would make an excellent release, but a lot of 71s have come out recently.

I remain skeptical until confirmed by TPTB. Remember, in the past there was an "official" Fall/Winter 71 FM box set, that turned out to be bootleg.

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On the amazon page for this preorder it says the manufacturer/label is 'Grateful Dead Production';
Shouldn't there be an 's' on the end of that? i.e. 'Grateful Dead Productions'?

Makes me think it is supposed to look like the real deal, but may not be.
Further sleuthing required.

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A copy of the CD apparently was sold on e-b-a-y two days ago.

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On October 1, Grateful Dead Productions via Warner Bros Music will release a new live set, this one from a show at the Fox Theater in St. Louis on December 10, 1971. The show is amply available on bootlegs the internet over, but this release is a nicely packaged set that will be issued on 3CD and 5LP sets. The tapes for this issue has been worked on via Plangent Processes, a process that adds life to projects and has been used on studio releases including Springsteen’s Darkness On The Edge Of Town remaster.

The 5LP package will be pressed onto 180g-weight vinyl.

Fox Theater – St. Louis, MO 12/10/71 – Grateful Dead

01 Bertha
02 Me & My Uncle
03 Mr. Charlie
04 Loser
05 Beat It On Down The Line
06 Sugaree
07 Jack Straw
08 Next Time You See Me
09 Tennessee Jed
10 El Paso
11 Big Railroad Blues
12 Casey Jones
13 Good Lovin’
14 Tuning
15 Brokedown Palace
16 Playing In The Band
17 Run Rudolph Run
18 Deal
19 Sugar Magnolia
20 Comes A Time
21 Truckin’
22 Drums
23 The Other One
24 Sittin’ On Top Of The World
25 The Other One

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The one sold on e-b-a-y two days ago was an FM recording.

Whoever bought that is going to be bummed if an official copy really does get released.

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I only see it as a pre-order which isn't charged til shipping on release date. So if this is bootleggers they are being very patient by offering up pre-orders with no collection of funds. Doesn't seem like the business model of someone trying to turn a quick buck on vinyl sets of released shows. Never seen a bootlegger offer up a set as non-charged fully refundable product but maybe thats their grift. I pre-orderered one but will probably cancel it before shipping once the official announcement comes out if its for real.

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I’m kinda concerned about the lack of an (s) on Grateful Dead Production, but FWIW, on Amazon, disc 3 lists the NFA suite and OMSN

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https://store.dead.net/music/dave-s-picks/dave-s-picks-vol-38.html