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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • #851
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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Ok, back to Europe

    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

Jim-I like the incantatory quality of Terrapin - the vehicle into the great unknown, I think you said. Its just that I like this vehicle to come right at the beginning of the show, so the whole show is presented as magical, rather than near the end, where it usually cropped up. I preferred the music to take over from the songs in the second set, and Terrapin seemed a bit too wordy, to me, for this to really happen.
But it a moot point - great song wherever it appeared.

In addition to some of the Terrapin shows listed (yes.. I think we should do them).

Any interest in 04/16/78, Huntington Civic Center WV or 5/25/77 The Mosque, Richmond VA (Dave's Picks 1)?

I haven't listened to them in a while and I like them both. This gives us something to work on for the rest of the week.. (as always other options welcome).

Sorry for being a bit preoccupied lately.. duty called.. but the work is all done for now. Time to relax a bit....

Thanks for keeping things moving in the interim.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Fri, 07/16/2021 - 04:54

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Good call on that one, Jim. I'll tune in. From my recollection it has a 1st set closing Scar>Fire. An early-ish Iko, from when they were rarer. And I'll bet that drums/space jam is going to be out there, too.

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Submitted by Strider 808808 on Fri, 07/16/2021 - 08:24

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180 grams doubled

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/16/2021 - 09:36

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Hopped in the truck getting ready to go boating and what are they playing on SiriusXM this afternoon?

4/16/78. Great recording, really good show from the Spring 78 tour. I was hankering for a good Peggy-O. I love Garcia Ballads, I bet I am not alone.

For kicks and giggles, check out The Bonnie Lass o' Fyvie on wikipedia. The song is at least as old as the 1600's.. but I swear I read references going back much further. Have to visit Scotland sometime.

Cheers all.. One more Friday night!

Edit: Yes, first set ends with a nice Scarlet Fire.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 07/17/2021 - 09:32

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I’m on it now and that Peggy-O sure was nice.
Scarlet just started.

Edit:
Now digging Jerry on Estimated.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 07/17/2021 - 10:11

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Credit to Oro on the DaP38 page, today is the anniversary of ‘Downhill From Here’.
I’m going to watch it tonight.

Thanks,
Great show!

SWING, not sure what it is, but perhaps my fav 77?
Did 6/8/74, meh, awesome second set sequence, but overall just ok for 74 anyway.
Hoping to finally hit 5/25/74 this WE!

Oh, long story short, servers drives dead again...it’s maker is frustrated as supposedly he gets more and more new drives that are fucked outta the box etc. so He’s becoming unsure which drives to use, forget what he ended up going with?

First operating drive was spinning disc, spent after about 2 years, so “we’ll replace with SSD as there more reliable”
Well that died too, now “SSDs are shit etc, we’re using spinners now”....Replaced OS drive, but now thinks Music drive is dead too?
This is why I fucking hate computers and thus never learned about them. There is no consistency or reliability at all, no one seems to know what their doing, they just seem to guess, by parts, and hope, and if not, repeat with different parts etc, etc... worse, it’s 6-7 hours round trip (in summer) and because it’s a custom boutique instrument, shipping’s out...

But what’s a freak to do, this running up stairs every 45 to 80 minutes and then having to stand in front of a wall of music and have to CHOOSE! is for the birds. @#&*+% technology, like women, can’t live with em, can’t live without...
anyway, my question is what kind of drives y’all using, or what kind would you recommend, and what kind would you denounce? I mean both which format, and what brands etc?
Can’t believe drives dying every year or so is status quo, then again...

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Sat, 07/17/2021 - 11:44

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I have Western Digital HD’s for storage and backup. Multiple backups, various size HD’s.

In fact, tonight I’m going to assemble a Thunderbolt 3 RAID mirror system using 4 x 10TB WD Gold HD’s.

Also have three Thunderbolt 2 RAID mirror setups: 2 x 6TB WD Black HD’s (two of them, one has GD in AIFF format, the other non-GD AIFF, and all bands in ALAC format), and 2 x 12TB WD Gold to backup all files (AIFF, ALAC, FLAC, AAC-320).

You can never have too many backups.

If you use your HD to actually play and listen to the files then you should expect the HD to die every few years due to heavy use. Regular consumer HD’s are designed for moderate use. Heavy use requires gaming/video editing HD’s (WD Black) or enterprise (WD Gold).
Seagate also makes enterprise and gaming HD’s along with lower performance consumer HD’s.

WD Blue is a moderate use consumer drive and is probably what is inside the black plastic case of the WD MyBook drives at Best Buy, Amazon, etc.
I have a lot of those black plastic consumer drives that I use for audio and video storage and processing, but have made the higher end RAID systems for redundant backups.

I play music on music players that use micro SDXC cards and plug the player into my stereo.

The HD’s are just for storage and backup, and they are unplugged when not in use.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 07/17/2021 - 13:07

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I passed that on....though I think he’s mentioned much of that....I’m just getting bad at retaining...
Luckily I do have a backup drive, but thinking I might get another....
The server is custom made for high end audio, it’s the only thing I use the machine for, no internet etc...so it is the unit I stream from. So I guess replacing these regularly is an unfortunate necessity of life : (
The price we pay to attempt to “get it just exactly perfect”

EDIT: I guess he’s going with Western Digital BLACK 0.5TB for Windows 10 drive., and Storage drive is an Enterprise 4TB NAS-specific hard drive from Seagate called the "Ironwolf".
We’ll see how long we get this go round...
Thanks Again!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/18/2021 - 09:09

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I've had ok luck with Western Digital and Seagate. Had a very bad experience with Maxtor ten years ago or so.. It's a crapshoot though.. you can never tell.....

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sun, 07/18/2021 - 11:13

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5/25/74: one of those shows that you can just tell right outta the gate. Ok matrix, would love to hear a proper source!
Man those 74 Truckins are powerful! All this show neede was a DS, or phat PITB...or a 74 Eyes, that’s what it’s missing!

Good ole Downhill from Here last night. Been hitting all the summer 89 vids lately.
I’d put 89 on my Memorial Mountain!

Hoping to hit that 4/16/78 today. Ever since DaP 37, I think spring 78 is my new niche place?

EDIT: 4/16/78, nice little show, sure sounds good! Not on the same level as it’s neighbors, but enjoyable non the less.
Another notch in the deadbase...

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/19/2021 - 06:20

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Who has a pick for today?

The Downhill from Here DVD video is fantastic. So much energy in those shows. Might be best of the July 89 run.

Should be a big week with the Dave's Picks #39 announcement coming through Email. Some people should start receiving shipping notifications at some point this week. Seaside chat on July 30.

We are on a roll.. why not continue and finish with 7/19/89. It get's less love than 7/17 but it's a classic nonetheless.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.. right? I say we keep going.

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Mon, 07/19/2021 - 15:22

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I was already planning on watching the video.
Almost watched it last night but decided to hold off until today.
Had set 2 on VHS in the late 90’s. If you haven’t seen the video before Cutler applied the “Cutler Video Protection System” where he overdubs himself talking in a few places because, as he says, “ I can’t have videos going out there with good mixes on them”.

I’ve got the complete show on DVD-R now.
It’s also on Utooob I believe.

Hopefully I’ll soon be able to watch all 3 nights on BluRay……
Yeah Dave, that’s a hint/request.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 07/20/2021 - 12:02

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I didn't know it at that time, but this was my last show. And it was spectacular! The mix I listened to isn't perfect, but it is still really good. And I do remember most of this show. I remember at the time, I told myself to take it easy for the last night of this tour. Nice Sugaree, loved the Desolation Row, which sounds much better on DHFH, Deal is a rocker. Chills still for several songs in the second set, Box of Rain, LLR and that Terrapin. Great Morning Dew and the Lovelight encore. Great trip down memory lane.

We would all benefit from cleaned up released versions of the 89 Alpine run. Let's get it out.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 07/20/2021 - 19:28

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You got that right Jim. I remember in 95 I was ready to go Chicago and something came up and I couldn't go. ☹️

Tomorrow's Pick. How does 10/26/80 sound to you all? There is a great soundboard available for the entire show. The sound evens out mid way through Iko Iko.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/21/2021 - 08:34

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Hey POTD crew!!
We've got a Box Set Announcement!
Pretty stoked. I sure do like some 71, 72 & 73 :)
Who called it?

Hope all are doing well.
I haven't been on Dead.net for a bit, got sucked into a big huge music collecting wormhole and something had to give.
It's been really fruitful so I figured you all wouldn't hold it against me.
Totally out of the loop, but glad to see you all are still Truckin'!

Hot Dog Good Stuff!

and throw in some Kiel for good measure

mind blown, grand slam, another dream realized!!

Jim - you were on it and I was like - love it, hope you're right, and no, really, no way its happening.

and its amazingly even bigger and better

ha - wrong again!!

GOGD!! Glad you're okay out there. Was wondering. Music collecting wormhole?? Tell us more. Really.

If anybody's looking for a pick after 10/26/80, may i suggest DaP 18 from Orpheum July 76. Got that sweet, delicate and carefully crafted, 1976 groove. Disc 2 craziness - Comes A Time > Drums > Other One > Space > Eyes of the World > Jam > Other One > Going Down The Road Feeling Bad > One More Saturday Night. The second encore Not Fade Away.

Stay safe out there everyone.

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Submitted by The Good Ole G… on Wed, 07/21/2021 - 11:52

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it would burn off both of your little ears BlueCrow!

Did Jimbo call the box?
I haven't read through the months of action that have gone on since I checked out, so whoever wants to give me a synopsis of what I missed that'd be great ;)
But yeah I actually went on a collecting spree the likes of which I hadn't quite experienced before (and I was already hardcore).
Completed my GD lossless collection and then moved into some outer realms of collecting madness, which was dominated by a Huge bender with The Replacements and The Beatles.

I had to give TGOGD a rest for awhile after over a year of super intense listening.

A nice pallet cleanse as OB/Jim would say.

But you all were in my heart and mind and I'm glad to see you're all carrying on.
I'll try and keep better tabs, but this collecting music thing takes up all my time!

XOXO
TGOGD

I've been calling for both a Fox Box (72) and BCT Box (72) since give or take since Ventura came out. ..but when that pre-release Amazon tell came to light.. I did post I hope it's a Fox Box.

I think a few years ago I scripted a Dr. Seuss like chant calling for a Fox Box. I don't think I deserve any credit though.. lots of people love both this venue and the shows performed there including Garcia himself who raved about the Fox and the Capitol Theatres in an interview long, long ago. Just dreaming.. the place is legendary and we all knew the tapes existed.

It's a good day on dead.net, I'll take the win.

Good to see you, GOGD.. we have all done a terrible job trying to fill in.. big shoes to fill.. special shoutout to dvikes, the steady heartbeat that helped keep this all together. Sort of like the glue that kept this house of cards together recently.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Wed, 07/21/2021 - 22:26

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What a Box! Wouldn't it be great to be Dave L. To have access to all that unbelievable music! We are so lucky. Super excited to have another box set to look forward to in October.. ...

Great to hear from you GOGD and Bluecrow.
Jim, appreciate you and all you have done for this thread and this site, such a positive influence for all of us.

So when you have time, check out 10/26/80, because these 1980 shows will never be released in a box set. Anyway, recording is A+.
So funny Bluecrow, I had Dave's #18 going in the car the other night. Yes, disc 2 is so mellow, I want to kick it back and fill in the blanks.

Stay well.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 07/22/2021 - 14:38

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So in celebration of the Fox Box.. perhaps tomorrow we should pull a show from the other infamous Fox Theatre (the one in Atlanta).

That shouldn't be too hard.. anyone have a date they want to hit from the other Fox?

How does 4/11/78 sound?
I thought Dave would release this one at some point, but since he just released #37, I am not so sure it will be anytime soon.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 07/22/2021 - 19:43

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Sounds like me right now.. just got back from a rather fun birthday party, so I am seeing multiples.. Yes, there are Fox's all over the place. I am sure the GD played at more than two, but St. Louis and Atlanta had some mighty fine shows..

I am cool with 78. We should consider 77 and 90 at some pint in the future too. Fun times to enjoy GD music. I am really psyched for this box. The Fox Box. Low hanging fruit to be sure, but man these are some really good shows. Might as well let the fun ouzo into this thread.

Thanks to all of you for keeping it fun.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 07/23/2021 - 11:00

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Thanks DVikes.. These April shows sound so good.. why, oh why.. did they let Ms. Cantor-Jackson stop recording these shows???

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Fri, 07/23/2021 - 19:21

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Yes Jim. To my ears this might be the best April 78 show! Sound quality is A++. Performance is outstanding. For those of you that have never listened to this show check it out. I won't ruin it for you.

Still no word on #39. Given the latest news, I am hoping for a 1980 release. 🤠

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Submitted by Oroborous on Sat, 07/24/2021 - 16:16

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Yowsa!
Great Pick!
Not familiar enough with this tour to pick a “best” but this bad boy outshines the bits of 4/18 I’ve heard, and 4/16, but still think I’m partial to 4/15, perhaps just because of that one caught me by surprise and knocked me off my feet?
This tour (April 78) is definitely my new favorite hardly explored niche.
And man, what a amazing sounding show! Not too much of that low mid bass/drums that sometimes plagues Mickey Godchaux Band occasionally (imho). Nit pick would be it gets a little thin near the end as they get LOUD...but that’s actually probably “accurate” for that era.
Kudos again to Miss Betty! Wow!

Did the first of the 6/86 Greek as it got the PF seal of goodness. Another great surprise, gonna have to finish that run off...

Murphy’s damn law, every time!
I’ve been getting all kinds of (new to me, or replacing copies with actual) music and several shows cued up on Relisten, but no damn time! Uuugghhh, this always happens lol. I know, good problem to have.

Oh, and currently spinning this Dave McMurray disc that just arrived...SWEET!

Hopefully new Dave’s next week, and RT 2.2 that I’ve been waiting on big time since I passed it up back when, idiot!
So can’t wait for that one to drop as I’ve never heard it!
Onward!

Oh, PS, a big how do to Bluecrow, KCJ, Exile, and many others on the Box thread, and of course our spiritual Scout Master, GOGD! Awesome how many “ir-regulars” have popped up recently...glad to see ya all!
Hope everyone stays safe/well as things are getting Stranger again...

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sat, 07/24/2021 - 19:50

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Not too bad either with that Shakedown out of an Ollin Arageed Space. Some funny banter during the show about a moat or alligator pit too somewhere in the first set. There's a radio interview Weir does adjacent to this show that's up on the archive. I'd say at least it's a worthwhile juxtaposition with 4-11. Jacksonville 4-8 is interesting, too with that butter Betty sound. Some of my best tapes BITD.

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Submitted by Dennis on Sun, 07/25/2021 - 07:53

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I thought they didn't stop letting her record shows as much as she couldn't afford to do it for free any longer.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 07/25/2021 - 16:57

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They didn't pay her? I didn't think she was getting much.. plus she had to pay for her own tapes, but for free?

Say it wasn't so!!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Sun, 07/25/2021 - 17:32

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She was definitely part of the paid Grateful Dead staff. Had different jobs or responsibilities through out the years and after Rex died. I think it ended after an issue with Brent in the early eighties.

However I think it is true that she was not paid for recordings she made with her own equipment. I believe the ABCD LLC transaction kicked some money her way, however, I have no idea how much.

Still planning on getting to 12/17.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Sun, 07/25/2021 - 18:48

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There is a cut at the end of the tape rendering Sugar Magnolia and the encore Johnny B Goode in AUD sound. This show is a nice example of the post-Egypt '78 sound. Overshadowed I suppose by the slightly more appreciated 12-16 and 12-19 (both also available only in AUD sound if memory serves). I like 12-12, too. We already listened to that here. Nice board of that. Wasn't Garcia jamming on the Bean in some of these December shows? At least the Nashville show I think. I gotta tune into 12-28 Golden Hall again sometime soon. Nice board of that around (and around) too.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 07/26/2021 - 09:17

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An aud patch? Outlandish, I'm out.

(kidding of course).

Nice little underrated gem and my first listen. I enjoy how delicate Jerry's voice is in this era, in fact all of '78 after his January laryngitis. Nice opening and Peggy-O plus a strong MNS show closer in the first set. I guess the wild card is the post space Shakedown, what's not to love there.. it almost seems like they are going into Morning Dew right before the Ollin Arageed jam. An interesting show.. patch and all.

I like this Fox themed diversion.. good way to show support for the new box set.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Mon, 07/26/2021 - 14:44

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Thanks for Fox Pick. Version I listened to was a little rough, but that is the deal sometimes. 78 was such an interesting year for the band. A lot of changes...

Looking forward to a 1980 pick being announced this week.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Mon, 07/26/2021 - 16:53

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His pick of the day a little over two weeks ago is the next Dave's Picks... Spectrum, 4/26/83. I thought it was super hot.

That show was hot, and I believe it was a good Healy mix?
Totally just stumbled on it trying to check off that tour.
Sometimes you get shown the light.....oh, and Dave’s first Shakedown!
It will be interesting to see what this one sounds like...

Sorry no time yet for the 12/17.....but it’s on “the list”

Did do 6/21/86 recently, following PFs recommendation of the run.
Was distracted, liked it, but probably first night better?
I think the third night is what PF suggested?...

FOX ON THE RUN, man, I’m thinking that 4/10/78 looks interesting, on paper anyway?
Might have to hit that soonish...
But RT 2.2 has arrived, wooohoooo, so hopefully that’ll be my Wednesday night batch night as the Mrs works late.
...and hopefully Dave’s for next weekend! So much Dead, so little time!

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 07/27/2021 - 06:25

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So 4/10/78 Oroborous?

Let's give it a go.

Congratulations on another Philly show.

I guess Dave plans on living until 150.

No shipping notice here.

Everybody hang loose.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Tue, 07/27/2021 - 09:53

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Think I’m going to try and sneak that 12/17 in here at work, and save 4/10 for the big system as these spring 78 Beatty’s have been blowing my mind...if I get out early maybe I’ll try tonight?
But ASAP fo sure as I’m itching to hear it and have a wave of new stuff to get too. I know what I’m doing this WE (hopefully)...

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 07/27/2021 - 20:45

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It's amazing to me what a difference a good recording makes. Especially when you are into it and turn it up to 11.

I am not an era hound, bound to certain years or band configurations.. but my comfy shoes seem to groove better to 68 through 74.. I can call it home to any show from any era. But good recordings do make a difference, which makes this head think the 80's and beyond would fare better through the eyes of history if Betty (or Kid or whoever [RIP Rex and Bear]) had been behind the controls, loaded up the Ampex and hit the red button.

There were some fine shows along the way that fell in the wayside simply because the recordings were not AAA+.

Great to see this thread move beyond barriers, I have learned a lot. (and to my dismay or great pleasure, worked a little less as a result).

Jim, you are not a Healy fan?
I think the move to cassettes also hurt the process. The reel to reel recordings in most cases really held up over time.

Because it looks like Dave is in no hurry to release shows from 1980, I thought I would recommend another show from 1980, 10/2/1980?

Hope you all receive your copies of #39 soon, I am looking forward to receiving mine as well, but it looks like it is not happening this week.

Edit: I am a huge fan of Pearson and John Cutler. Cutler did a great job in the late 80s and early 90s.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 07/28/2021 - 06:41

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Nothing personal.. but no, I am not a big fan of the ultra-matrix. I like my soundboards crisp.

To be fair, there may be reasons beyond Dan's control that influenced how the cassette master era came to be. I still enjoy them but wonder what could have been....

Certainly no hard feelings, bygones...