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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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May 19, 2021 - 12:03pm

#1361

Oroborous

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38 production issues cont....

Wow, lol, this is all over the place.
I’ve tried twice to go through with the intention of noting precise instances with pad and paper, but didn’t because I didn’t want to waste a whole day on this but it obviously needs to be done lol. The situation is the boss!
It’s a dirty job but somebody needs to do it, so guess that’s what I’m doing today lol.
First, a few reply’s in an attempt to clear some things up or perhaps get more of us on the same page?

- FIRST THE SOUND: there is nothing wrong with the “sound” of this, it’s some kind of production anomaly that hurts the “sound”
- THE LEVELS TOO HIGH: I don’t believe this is the problems since the peak level is at -1db, which is perfect. You’ll notice on discs that are over mastered set at 0db with hard compression to make them LOUDER. IMHO this style of mastering is obnoxious and sucks! There has been much discussion on this the last ten years or so about this elsewhere if your interested. I stopped buying “remastered” stuff after getting some Floyd and Stones Some Girls since they sound like shit. All their doing is compressing the hell out of the mix to make it louder, but that ruins the dynamic range, which is one of the most important elements of good music I.e., see the GD! Luckily, the GOGD folks don’t do this!
- BAD COMPRESSION: sometimes if the recording levels were too low there can be a bad signal to noise ratio. You’ve all probably heard this with a beloved tape that you have to turn up extra loud to hear, which then makes tape noise and hiss super noticeable. BITD sometimes folks would use a compressor. This cuts off some of the level peaks but boosts some of the quieter sounds, hopefully making the ratio of noise to sound more tolerable. But there are limits to how much you can use this method without causing hard compression or limiting which can cause the processor to distort.
This is referring to all analog too, digital is even more unforgiving about clipping etc. I wouldn’t think they’d use this methodology on a distributed piece of professional work, but it could be possible? If they wanted this show released bad enough and the tape was noisy...? And/or If they felt that the vast majority of people would never notice it, who knows?
- TYPICAL 73: agree, besides these issues, and perhaps some differences in the mix I.e., Bob is really nicely present, this sounds very 73...
- THE MIX: this is not the mix. Whatever your feelings are on the mix, that isn’t the problem
- THE USUAL: yes there are the “usual” “dropouts”, “unevenness”, etc, but none of these or the usual stuff people comment on, are the problem, this is different. In all my years I’ve never experienced this!
- WASHY: not sure what that means, but I doubt that’s it either. Washy sounds like more of the “normal” idiosyncrasies found on 50 year old non professionally recorded tape.
- WOBBLY: : same with this, not sure exactly what is meant as I’ve never heard it used in professional audio terms before lol, but I’m guessing it’s same as above in that it’s a “normal” item that occasionally is noticeable? If it’s meant in regards to variable tape speed issues, that is not the problem we’re referring to here.
-“IN THE BEGINNING”: this problem has nothing to do with the often occurrence of the mix taking awhile to be dialed in by the mixer etc.
DARK-STAR: though there is definitely a clipping factor here, I can assure you it’s not due to amplifier clipping. My MC 601 mono blocks have circuitry to prevent clipping, plus, I don’t push them that loud. That’s the whole point of having 600 watt amps, headroom! It’s all about phat tone, not volume! I don’t like super loud anymore, so I find around 90 db peaks or so at the listening position of about 7-8’ is plenty loud. At that volume, the amp meters usually are registering 60 watt peaks, so no where near clipping.
I’m curious what you mean about your equalizer “evening” out the sound besides the eq? I’m assuming you have some kind of limiter in the unit? I’m curious what unit your using? EQ itself has nothing to do with this problem.

A little info on EQ though: it is usually used for 1 of 2 reasons; professionally, it is used as little as possible to tune a room, like a studio or dedicated listening room using sophisticated analyzers and testing equipment.
The second general use is for preference; the way many of you use it to suit your personal taste influenced by the gear, and speakers/headphones your using. It is also used similarly to mix individual sources for live and recorded music. Though live EQ is also used for room issues, it is more often used to “color” sound to preference, not to make things accurate. Whole nother thing there that the reader can look up about accurate vs “good” sound...
But research increasingly shows that phase/timing issues are the biggest negative factor on sound and unfortunately EQ can cause unwanted phase issues. If you ever wondered why Mickeys studio stuff is the gold standard it’s because he doesn’t use EQ but instead painstakingly uses appropriate mics and mic placement. If you must use EQ, you should try to cut prominent frequency’s instead of boosting others. Like turn down the bass versus turning up the treble. You should never boost if possible. The little op amps in the knobs were not intended to be used as amplifiers, but that’s what your doing when you boost! Sorry, I don’t explain this stuff vert well. So if your having to boost all those upper frequencies, no offense, but you might have bad sounding speakers and/or significant hearing loss, something more common in us older folks than most might be aware of. Like you could have hearing loss and not even realize it unless you get tested! Of course all that really matters is if your happy with your rig, no matter how much or how little it costs etc, the only thing that matters is if your happy with it!
- SMALL BATCHES: I disagree that it’s not possible for damaged small batches. Yes their using the same master, that’s why it’s called a master, but that doesn’t mean that batches of blank/raw discs couldn’t be flawed or that somehow a setting got changed during the master transferring. I don’t think it’s the former but could be the latter?
It could be something as esoteric as there were weird power issues on the grid at the plant during part of the run? Again, I don’t think that’d be the case as any real professional facility would have isolated, professionally treated power, but it’s an example of the many weird things that can happen with electronics and electricity that most folks have no idea about.
HOW PEOPLE ARE LISTENING: what your listening on may well be a factor if your not hearing it, but I doubt this is caused by what your listening on. This is definitely a production issue, either on the original tape, or during the subsequent production.
I’m still wondering if they ever used a limiter and/or compressor on the original recording? It would make sense to have one since Kidd et el can’t be sitting there the whole time riding the mix like that. These guys had other responsibilities, so to ensure that something/someone doesn’t occasionally clip the recording, using a soft limit could smooth out those occasional peaks. But there are limits to this (no pun intended), if someone turns up significantly louder, it’ll still clip and can cause audible distortion by overdriving the limiter/compressor etc.
This to me would explain the phenomena. If your sharing a unit via a aux mix on a mixing console, that means everything, all sources potentially get bussed through that unit. If the unit isn’t set just right, any time anything engages the unit, there could be audible artifacts caused by this. That’s why I think this may be it, since it’s not effecting only one source, and it’s not everything all the time. It’s effecting most sources but not all the time...

LOL, being such an audio nut, not knowing what’s going on is more annoying to me than the actual problem, though I think it’s bad enough that I’ll need to look into replacements. It is definitely very interesting, at least to this geek!
Anyway, I’ll go through song by song and document as much as I can and report back.
May 19, 2021 - 11:23am

#1362

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

GD, zits and all

play on
play on
play on
May 19, 2021 - 11:02am

#1363

That Mike

Joined:
November 1, 2014

A Sound Technician Walks Into A Bar…

Jeffrey Norman walks into a bar, and orders a beer. The bartender takes one look at him, and says, “Ok!! But I don’t want to hear any problems from you!!”
May 19, 2021 - 10:27am

#1364

stillwaters

Joined:
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To All Those With Issues Regarding The Sound

Please read the caveat emptor for Dick's Pick's.

We now return to our regularly scheduled program.
May 19, 2021 - 9:45am

#1365

dreading

Joined:
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AJS

I hear some loud hi-hat in places. Like the beginning of Jack Straw. If you get a chance can tell me if you hear the same kind of loud symbols on the "Big Railroad Blues" on PNW boxed set June 24, 1973 Portland? I sure do.
May 19, 2021 - 8:51am

#1366

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Sir James

That is pretty much what I currently have.

About 6-7 years ago, I was looking for a new car. Well, new to me. Buying a new car is one of the biggest rip-offs known to mankind. You are much better off purchasing a slightly used one for a 1/3 or more less. Anyway, I went about my search by bringing a copy of DaP1 to the dealerships. The whole point was that since I spend so much time in the car, I wanted a nice sound system. I would simply turn on the car and listen to the music. After a minute or so, the salesperson would ask if I was ready for a drive. "Not needed" I would reply to a perplexed look. "Thank you for your time." Most wanted thousands more for an upgraded sound system. I wound up going with Acura because the sound was excellent and the price was significantly lower.
May 19, 2021 - 8:18am

#1367

KeithFan2112

Joined:
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Ha!

Jim, you had me at "There is really only one solution". I sensed some chortle-worthy shenanigans on the way.

Awesome Version Alert -

My favorite part of Casey Jones is the finale where they repeat the chorus a bunch of times and everyone joins in and plays "denser" I guess you would say. The combo of Pigpen's Hammond, Jerry and Bobby laying it on thick, and Keith's piano gradually building in tempo - it's just fantastic on this night.

I think Pigpen was really wielding that Hammond with some exceptional skill at that point. Never flashy, but he could play fast at need, was always on time, and always picked his spots with musical know-how. That was quite a period when they had both Keith and Pigpen playing together.

Edit - whoops - would help if I provided a date - 5/18/72. I'm still rummaging through that show.
May 19, 2021 - 8:04am

#1368

proudfoot

Joined:
August 2, 2020

lol moment last night

went to bed early
had my phone on archive 5/13/83 set two
she comes up later
I am asleep
Space is full steam
She hisses: "THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!! THIS IS THE WORST MUSIC I HAVE EVER HEARD!!"

uh, ok. I'll just turn it off....
May 19, 2021 - 7:51am

#1369

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Re: AJS

Clearly you need the Wall of Sound Mobile Edition T (C) (R).

https://fi.pinterest.com/pin/382735668306627856/

Pimp up your ride.

(......honey, I got us a new car!)
May 19, 2021 - 7:45am

#1370

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
October 2, 2012

Follow up

So, I listened to the release in the car this morning. Now I am more baffled by the fact that most folks can't seem to hear the distortion. The best way I can describe it, as I stated in my initial post, is that the cymbals are way to high in the mix. It's quite a nuisance. I also recant my earlier comment on the problem not being on the 9/7 release. It is very evident on HCS. Hell, even our dog can hear it.

It's a shame because it detracts from an otherwise fine release.

John Perry Barlow

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"When it came to 1973 Dead, I was always drawn to the big second-set jams, 'Dark Star' or 'The Other One,' and all of the places those songs could go that year. One week during my initial stint with the Dead, Dick was spending a lot of time listening to 9/8/73, and he could not stop raving about it. He was very intent on pointing out that despite the absence of the 'Big Two' from 1973, every song, every solo, every moment was out-of-this-world excellent. He played me the first set, giving a play-by-play of each song and what made it special. In those listening sessions, Dick taught me a lot about how to listen critically and objectively. Of course, the subjective self always creeps in, those moments when you whoop and holler at how good a performance is, but that objective listening is critical. After many days of listening, Dick moved to other eras, as was his wont, since he carried the responsibility of selecting the best Dead shows from all eras to represent the Dead’s recorded legacy. But he made it clear and inarguable that he felt 9/8/73 was one of the best-played shows from one of the Dead’s best years." - David Lemieux

Despite the gloriously blustering artwork above, the forecast for DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 is blazing hot! With a double endorsement from archivists Dick Latvala and David Lemieux, you know it's a MUST HAVE. This one's got inspired playing from start to finish, with soon-to-be-minted Wake Of The Flood classics, a first-ever "Weather Report Suite," Keith polishing his chops on "Let Me Sing Your Blues Away," Jerry tapping into era-defining sound with his Wolf guitar, and we'd be remiss if we didn't mention Bob's exquisite playing too.

Among our 2021 Dave's Picks subscribers? The subscribers-only bonus disc featuring nearly an hour and a half from 9/7/73 is coming your way too. (P.S. there's 35 minutes of 9/7/73 on Dave's Picks Vol. 38, to boot)

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 38: NASSAU VETERANS MEMORIAL COLISEUM, UNIONDALE, NY, 9/8/73 was recorded by Kidd Candelaro and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Didn't subscribe? You'll want to jump on this one now as it is guaranteed to sell out.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Nevermind

Already posted

I. wonder if its....

I wonder if it's going to be a stand alone release., or if they are going to release all the radio shows the Dead did on the Fall tour for a box. It looks really cool to me , we will probably hear tomorrow.

12-10-71

Finally, favorite show from my favorite year!
This is definitely legit, s or no s at the end of Production. No bootlegger will advertise a release 3 months in advance, the artwork looks familiar too.
The ones that sold recently on e bay are not the same release.

Box?

Amazon lists manufacturer for for June '76 as "Dead", and for July 78 "Grateful Dead Production"
So now...is this a '71 box or a Fox Box? Guessing DaP 39 will be 80s

Hopefully....

they include the Harding Theatre show , always one of my favorites.

December? Pigpen's return

Boston Music Hall(2) + Felt Forum(4) + Fox Theatre(2) = 8 shows 23 discs
I'm obsessing now...

Someone spilled the beans

s or no s.

What I pasted below has an s.

Now that Rhino doesn’t get the privilege of announcing it’s own release they will probably shelve it for 18 months.

And on the same day that Real Gone announces 3 rereleases…

Fox

I wonder if this release will be limited edition? It must be coming out on this site after midnight, right?

Positive Energy...

I am hoping for a Fox Box.. I recall DL suggesting that some of the returned 71's represent the biggest bump in quality compared to what previously circulated. Not sure what they have or how good it sounds.. that comment was a while ago too.

Those shows in the early years at the Fox were sublime.. I think there's video or an interview of Garcia somewhere talking about how much he liked that theatre.. and they played some great shows there.

12/10/71

Remember Dave on the Skull and Roses seaside chat said there was at least three "other big things" for 2021 besides Skull and Roses and Dave's Picks. Maybe this is one of them. That leaves two.

Time for some news.

Dave's not here

He has taken the vault to an undisclosed location and wont be back.

He's laughing at us...

LEMIEUX!!!!

Strange press release for the Fox release

The absence of the closing numbers in that article at Musictap has already been mentioned. I also find it strange that a GD/Warner Bros announcement cites a Springsteen album on Sony/Columbia to tout Plangent Processes when a number of Dead releases have been Plagentized over the years. Or did Bruce jump ship and we don't know about it yet?

On the other hand, the nearly $35 list price at Amazon makes me think it is legit, as Dead cd prices have been rising steadily over the past few years.

We'll just have to wait for a seaside chat to find out.

Springtime in New York

If anyone has missed this, Bob Dylan’s website has teased the release, in September, of his Bootleg #16. It covers 1980 - 1985. 2 LP, 2 CD or a 5 disc box.

Edit I looked at Amazon UK and it is listed as ‘currently unavailable’ as a CD but does give a series of track titles as MP3 listings

Edit 2 It has now become available to order on UK Amazon. Currently there’s a huge price difference between the 2 and 5 CD versions

Edit 3 Amazingly the 5 CD set has increased in price by £26 since this morning Glad I ordered it earlier. I expect it will go down again eventually

ssss...

Looking on the American Amazon site, there doesn't seem to be an "s" in place on Grateful Dead Production for either of the anniversary releases for Skull and Roses or Aoxomoxoa, which would suggest that this 71 release is legitimate if that's the thing in question.

We Have Entered The Twilight Zone

A pleasant-faced man steps up to greet you
He smiles and says he's pleased to meet you
Beneath his hat the strangeness lies
Take it off, he's got three eyes
Truth is false and logic lost
Now the fourth dimension is crossed
Ni, ni, ni, ni, ni ni, ni ni
You have entered the Twilight Zone
Beyond this world strange things are known
Use the key, unlock the door
See what your fate might have in store
Come explore your dreams' creation
Enter this world of imagination......

Creepy little-known Rush song off 2112. Was walking with my cousin through NYC to catch a cab to a show, sporting our concert shirts; approaching us from the opposite side of the crosswalk a joyful homeless looking guy starts singing those lyrics and kept on going until the song faded out of earshot. Noone else seemed to notice him. Hmmm.

Man I hope DL doesn't have Covid. This IS the strangest bit of silent treatment I've seen in my years at dead.net - a release is announced somewhere other than dead.net first. No word of a box set. Man I hope not.

There's no doubt it's an official release; not only does the artwork feature the 13 point lighting bolt, but who else can afford Plangent. And besides, Warner Brothers music is Warner Brothers music.

Dave's Picks 39 announcement?

I don't remember getting an email about this forthcoming release and no announcement here on dead dot net. I was thinking that there was going to be an email sent out on July 16, but that didn't happen, or at least I didn't get one yet.
Late, by my ideas.
As of now, the DaP 39 show in question will be on September 19, 1995, in Boston Gardens, Boston, MA.
Almost 3 hours of Boston Gardens commercial air conditioning noise, traffic sounds, train noise, dogs barking, indistinct very echoed human voices, and NO GRATEFUL DEAD music.

My guess is an early 1970's show anytime from 1970 thru 1972.

Boxes and Boxes

12-10-71 has to be part of a December '71 box, yes? Lots of people seem to agree.

That cover on Amazon, if it is the cover and not a pirated boot, looks like a segment of a box, signifying Pig's return.....

Just to get ready, been listening to 12.1.71. Ramble on Rose through Cryptical Suite. Pristine stuff.

Regarding DaP 39: 1969 or 1970

They arrived, after a long hike, to a rolling estate of tombs, altars, dens, shops, and paved streets.

A gnome, further up the path, dressed in train-engineer overalls wiped his brow with his cap and continued to hoe a small plot of rich dark soil; half of the raised flowerbed was lined with daisies and purple lilies.

"What're you growing there?"

"Box sets. They'll be ready to harvest in, oh....'bout a month or so. Being Dead means you must remain calm."

"What's the vintage of the latest box? Hope it's a tasty one."

He offered a wobbly Jack-o'-lantern grin. "Not at liberty to say. Big reveal's comin', though. Count on it."

FWIW

If it's a sign, I right now have 71 unread messages in my email inbox. That is, until HF sends me an email 'cause he wants Fall 72. :-P

I've never been very good at fitting into boxes.....

Hey rockers~~~

In the last few years three December 71 shows were released (12/6, 7, 14). There will NOT be a December 71 box set THIS year.

OK TPTB, prove me wrong!!!

Rock on!

Doc
I like boxes because of the secrets they hide.....

Return of the Grease?

12-10-71 sure looks good to me.

That's a long preorder period (3 months?) for a single 3-CD set. Maybe they use the preorder volume to guide their production run. Or maybe this is the breakout show from a late '71 box and the box will take time to put together (supply chain issues).

I'll throw my hat in the ring that DP 39 will be '80s or '90s. And Dave will rave about it this Friday.

A leaked "announcement" appears to be more powerful than yet another Dave rave....

St. Louis '71, '72, & '73

7 shows. 20 cds. Up now in the store for $199.

Fox Box

We were all on the edge of our seats yesterday thanks to some of you sleuths. Man, I'm telling you, you guys really make these threads ground zero for all things Grateful Dead. I appreciate everyone who frequents this site!

Got to Admit I Did Not See This Coming

Seven complete shows from 71, 72, and 73? Sold! Done and done. 71-73 is prime time, AFAIC, and I placed my order right away. Currently fighting the urge to also order the 2-lp thing. That would be an awesome Thing to Have, but my collection is already pretty out of control, so I try to avoid duplicating CD/lps.

As long I’m posting, let me also mention the TTB’s recent release of “Layla Revisited”, which is (you guessed it) their recording of the Clapton classic. They did the whole album, live at LOCKN, with Tres sitting in on guitar/vox. I’m kind of ambivalent about concept: is this what rock bands are going to do now, just play the classics, like a string quartet giving us yet another recording of Mozart? And I’m guessing that, in normal times, this might not have been officially released, but Derek and Susan probably decided to put it out there to help make up for all the touring revenue they’ve lost during the pandemic, which I don’t begrudge them for at all. Like the Dead, they’ve got a big “family” of crew and band members to support. Anyway, it’s very well-recorded, everybody plays and sings great, and it’s interesting to hear these songs with a horn section. Derek’s solos alone are worth the price of admission, IMO. Anyway, heads up on this, all you TTB fans.

St. Louis Box

Got One. I can't afford it, but I can't afford to wait either. Wow, this is going to be fantastic!!

And now back to our regularly scheduled DaP 39 discussion

Or will that now take place in the St. Louis thread?

I passed on the Giants Stadium box so I'd be very happy with a pick from the Vince/Bruce years. It has been some time since Dave gave us a show from '69 or '70, but I think he will hold on to shows from those years for subscriber bait in 2022 or 2023. We had two Brent picks last year. If we get one in 2021 I bet it will be from his early tenure with the band. What about Gainesville?

Will we get a seaside chat first, or find out when we get our shipping notice? Just a few more days to go.

Closing Time

Bar's dry here, but there's a 20 kegger at St. Louis, along with some top-shelf spirits from '71, '72, '73.

St. Louis kegger

Hope they’re serving something other than Budweiser.

Kegger

But it's the King of Beers.

You probably all know this, because we are benevolent bunch of degenerates.. but there is a brewery in Czechoslovakia called Budweiser Budvar that has been making beer since the 13th century and has called it's beer the beer of kings since the 16th century. ..you can tell the difference because unlike the thin tasting American copycat, the real McCoy is flavorful...

So if they are serving Budweiser, let's hope they are serving Budweiser Budvar, or as it has to be called in America Czechvar, because of copyright infringement no less. What a ripoff, too weird...

Adolphus Busch

German immigrant to St. Louis, co-founder of Anheuser-Busch.
Probably was fully aware of Czech Budweiser.

Scammed the name for his own beer, which should have been named Buttweiper.

Ha..

True and funny.

He definitely stole the name and then spent enormous amounts of money copyrighting it and policing the use of the name, etc.

Daves Picks 39

August 1980

Uptown Baby

Comes A Time

9.6.80

Dave L.SD Alpine Valley Box Set

Shakedown Street

double dose 1988 Greek & Laguna Seca Raceway All 6 shows from July in California

might be a first?

Received shipping notice with tracking # for DaP 39 time stamped 5:14 AM eastern. No announcement? Officially a UMO, Unidentified Musical Object preparing to leave the mother ship, tracking shows no movement yet.

DP Vol. 39

I have also recieved a shipping notice, gimmick? Glitch? a super supper rise? Time will tell-
No announcement...

39

Me too.

Under The Influence by Peter Hernon & Terry Ganey

Name of a great book on the Busch family and the cutthroat beer business. An unauthorized story of the A/B dynasty. The elder Busch was a real piece of work, even to his own family. I heard Augustus tried to stop the book from being published. I think Budweiser was only able to keep the Czech "Bud" from being sold over here. Back then it was a common name for a style of lager.
Small world story: I was born in St. Louis but grew up in Colorado. In the mid eighties I worked at a mountain shop in Gunnison that shared space with a t-shirt shop. For a while a girl named Busch was working for the t-shirt shop at minimum wage. I finally realized she was one of THE Busch's when she spoke of "Uncle Auggie". She was stunningly cute and all I could think of was why the heck are you working for $4.75/hr. here with all those looks and someday all that money! She said Uncle Augustus was a good guy but, as I remember, the book leads to other conclusions.
Cheers!

Czechvar, thx JimInMD

I'm keen on Euro lagers, as the local American ales always are over-hopped, over-hyped and expensive. Why drink local, hoppy dishwater at 30% higher price when you can drink the Euro classic lagers for less? Something about shipping and climate change, you say? I have to admit, I had not thought that through before. But we can't halt all international trade and that stuff probably goes by ship, not plane. So having this conversation with myself now frees me to head to the liquor store for some Czechvar -- glad to hear of an endorsement for this brand that I've inexplicably avoided.

Oh yeah, and woo-hoo for the mystery DP 39. I say it's a Brent show from '79, courtesy of ABCD Enterprises. I'd love to see it be Red Rocks, Aug. 12, '79, a ripping show. There, I said it.

1/4 barrels of Busch

$25 in the early 90’s when I was in college.
We thought it tasted better than Bud.

Shipping notice received for the mystery DaP39.
Tracking not yet available. Glad to see that someone is willing to work on a Saturday to generate shipping labels.

Hendrixfreak

Not a New Belgium fan?
Me neither. That brewery is extremely overrated.
Of note, I was just at the grocery store and saw Voodoo Ranger sausages, or some type of meat product. It was by the bacon, I didn’t stop to see exactly what the package said.

Don't get me wrong...

I'm no snob, nor a lush, but I'll drink anything that's cold if the occasion demands. Or, put whiskey in my hot coffee on a winter morn.

And I do enjoy an occasional 9% nut brown ale, courtesy of the locals here in Colo.

It's just that everyone and their mother has opened a brewery, dreaming of greatness, but I fear that they've sunk mucho capital into their projects, hence the $12 six-pack and that's enough for this old school fool to turn up his nose.

I won't touch Busch, no matter the circumstances (oh gawd, karma unleashed!) but I can knock back a Bud Light at just above freezing temperature.

In short, I'm pretty much a total ho. But I have my preferences.

Okay, now, where's that 8-12-79?? We were doing Purple Dragon blotter that day and when the purple lights came on at dusk, all we could think was: how did they know??!!

Just say no to swill 🚫

or Friends don’t let friends do swill! And yaasssss, I’m am a proud semi beer snob!

New Belgium, NO BUENO! Sure there’s a few flavors that taste ok...but more often than not it’s f@#$&** draino, go’s right through. Ever since one of the first years I went to Rocky Grass—where NB has a monopoly, which is a crime as the original Oscar Blues is so close you can smell it, but you can’t get it inside—and I had to spend many quality hours in the nasty ass Porto’s, (my one festival goal besides having fun, no pooping in Porto’s!), yeah, thanks, but no thanks!

Of course I think my beer days may unfortunately be going by by-bye as health concerns may dictate such.....
the horror! But, as we learned in R&R, the situation is the boss!
GD old age, need to exercise and try to lose Bellyfat/weight, but my feet, knees, hips etc, etc are damn near shot...quite the conundrum. Speaking of, how’s old PF doing on his big weight loss goals?

Hopefully all the secretive behavior means a super spectacular Dave’s ; )

😄”we thought the purple lights were just for us”

EDIT: there are some great Colorado breweries, most of the good ones are small and/or relatively unknown, but I agree totally that there are way far more that are meh, or even No Bueno...
Plenty of quantity, not so much quality, imho
NoCal is king for this kid!

beer v drugs

I used to drink beer several times a week for decades. I had to stop - well, I decided to, about 12 years ago when I noticed that it clashed gloriously with prescribed medication. Of which I am still the proud recipient. My last pint was in 2011 I think-after an Eric Clapton gig. You have to move with the times if you want to stay on it.
I also hardly ever drive now as a result of the above. More walking, less pollution - everyone's a winner!

I try to be a beer snob

I think that Oscar Blues is garbage too.

In the 2000’s when I went skiing in CO every spring I usually would get O’Dell, Breckinridge, and New Belgium (never Flat Tire, that stuff is crap). They were all OK, but NB was always third place. O’Dell Easy Street Wheat (I call it Sleazy Street) is what I drank the most since wheat beer is my favorite style.

Mass produced lagers

If I had to choose between Bud, Miller, Coors, I would probably go with Coors.
Although ice cold Bud does taste pretty good in the hot summer.
Never, never, never Light/Lite.

I’ve been to Germany twice, and they make some kick ass lager.

Bell’s Lager of the Lakes is really good.

When I was under age I drank Goebel, Pfeiffer, and Weidemann.
But avoided PBR and Milwaukee’s Best (Worst). I did have some standards.
I think that the honor of worst beer ever goes to Falstaff.

Say it ain't so, Daverock!!

Beer VERSUS drugs???

That's like pitting Jerry against Pigpen, God against Hercules, the North Pole against the South Pole, Mt. Everest against the Marianas Trench!!!

In other words, it just can't be, it should never happen.......... my world upended!!!

Oh, wait. Did I just post that publicly?? Ha ha, just kidding. I'm livin' on yoga, Vitamin C and propane. Clean as a whislte. As you were..............

Alcohol

On New Year’s Day in 1999 the wife and I set off in the early morning to get our birding year list off to a good start. We were flagged down by the police and, as the driver, I was asked when I’d last had a drink. I thought for a moment and said ‘I’m not sure but I think it was 1983’. The policeman looked at me as though he thought I was taking the piss, then he said ‘Is everyone in this town tee-total?’ and let us go on our way. Still haven’t had an alcoholic drink since then. Perhaps it’s an English thing. I don’t even have the excuse of prescription drugs

Beer vs Weed?

What say you?
Me, if it came down to it, no brainer!
Who’s got a light ; )

At this point it’s really all kinda foolish. I have such a high tolerance that before I really get buzzed, I’ll fall asleep!
Hell, pretty much anything makes me fall asleep lol.
I’m more about the taste and enjoyment of beer then getting loaded. Those days and “most ounces for the dollar” are long gone. But I don’t want to end up diabetic, look how that all worked out for Jer...so desperate times call for desperate measures..if I get a grip I shouldn’t have to quit completely, but at least for now, well, after this WE anyway ; ),
I feel the need for deep cuts : (

When You Say Bud

There wasn't really anything wrong with Anheuser and Busch calling their beer "Budweiser." That's just a word Germans used to describe anything from the Czech town they called Budweis, a place then known for fine lagers. So this was just kind of like calling your pizza "New York style." No harm, no foul.

But what is unforgivable about Budweiser is that they brew it with rice in place of (most of) the malted barley that all good German and Czech lagers are made with. Initially, this was done because brewers in America had a hard time getting quality pilsner malt, and thus was born the beer style that brewers (Deadhead and non Deadhead alike) know as "American adjunct lager," with "adjunct" being a polite way of saying "cheap crap that doesn't belong in beer." When you brew with rice like A-B does (or corn, or cane sugar as some companies do) you get a less flavorful beer. Some would say, in the case of Bud-Coors-Miller, a flavor-free beer.

We're lucky now that we have so many alternatives. You want fizzy yellow watery industrial lager produced in a factory two states away, you can get that. You want beer brewed by your neighbors using malted barley instead of rice and fresh hops that you can actually taste, you can get that. There is, as you would expect, a difference in price. I don't want to be too much of a snob, knowing that I drank a LOT of Bud-Coors-Miller back in the day, but I know what I like.

Of course, when you say Bud, you might also mean bud. And like Hendrix freak hilariously pointed out, you don't really have to choose between Bud and bud. Although it sounds like a lot of us are at that phase in life where we have to cut back on EVERYTHING. Which sucks, but what can one do? Like Keith Richards, "the weird thing about getting older is that the older you get, the older you want to get."

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