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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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October 31, 2021 - 8:16am

#521

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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10-31-71

I listened to DP2 extensively in the 90’s. Set 2 is smoking and the release sounded so much better than the cassettes I was collecting at the time.

But, I doubt that the quality of Set 2 would be diminished if Set 1 was included in the release. Full shows should be released when possible, and everyone will have the option of putting what CD’s they want into their CD player.

I also don’t believe that Dave and Rhino have a policy that incomplete shows won’t get released. Everything worthwhile will come out eventually. But, once again, Dave and Rhino have 30 years of material to work with and shouldn’t have to cater to a single group that demands that they get all the attention (that includes pre-hiatus, post-hiatus, Donna-in, Donna-out, Brent, heroin-Jerry, etc., etc.).

I am thankful and Grateful that these recordings exist and that they are being polished up and released. Keep them coming Dave and Rhino, from all years so that an accurate representation of the entire career of the Greatest Band In The Universe is available.
October 31, 2021 - 8:12am

#522

Oroborous

Joined:
June 19, 2007

Dicks/partials

I don’t mind some of the partials.
Vol 14 comes to mind.
As long as the songs are sorta in order.
Don’t like when they totally do Boroughs like cut ups.
Ladies and Gentlemen for example. Doesn’t have the same flow.

EDIT: looking forward to taking vol 2 for a ride, it’s been awhile.
October 31, 2021 - 8:05am

#523

Dennis

Joined:
November 1, 2012

Unk Sam & Johnny

As I said I'm glad I got the Johnny cd (also the fucking album :-) )

But was shocked at the recording. The recordings of San Quentin and Folsom are FAR superior. Of course they were set up to make a record so the recording should be top notch,,,, right? :-) It was of course a "Columbia Stereo 360" album!

Like most "country" the songs are SHORT! 28 Songs on this cd.

But if you like the man in black, get it. I like supporting the Owsley recordings.

On the Johnny front... I remember when Ice-T was having trouble with Body Count's Cop Killer and people were whining about the violence in rap. He said nobody complained when Johnny Cash sang, "I shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die".

Then in Cocaine Blues Johnny sings.....

99 years underneath that ground
I can't forget the day I shot that bad bitch down

Life's funny!

Update on Johnny - ok my 3rd time thru. I'm getting use to the sound, I think maybe it was a mono recording(?) Not as muddy as first blush listen. But the distance between vocals and drums is weird. Like Johnny was standing on left side of stage at the edge and one guy with a drum kit was in the far rear right side. Odd imaging.

Glad I got!
October 31, 2021 - 6:51am

#524

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

Dicks Picks 2

10/31/71 - See Doc's review, this one contains one of our favorite Dark Stars. My first listen was followed with a Wow and am immediate relisten.

Didn't I hear the reels for the first set were not in the vault? I thought they did not exist, but they seem to be represented on the archive. I do think we have a case for shows with missing reels to make their way into Dave's Picks under the umbrella of Full Show releases. They sort of blew through this barrier when they released fifth reel of 2/27/77 at the end of Dave's Picks Vol. 29

February 27, 1977 – Robertson Gym, University Of California, Santa Barbara, California:
"Morning Dew" (Bonnie Dobson, Tim Rose) – 13:58
"Sugar Magnolia" (Weir, Hunter) – 9:45
"Johnny B. Goode" (Chuck Berry) – 4:23

Dick's Picks 2 - an instant classic. A great release. Happy Halloween all.. trip or treat?
October 31, 2021 - 6:34am

#525

billy the kidd

Joined:
August 17, 2021

Daverock/partial show releases

Daverock, once again your intellligent and insightful comments make such a great case for partial releases. Using DP2( 10/31/71), is the perfect example, that is one of my all time favorite releases. There is really great material out there in the form of partial releases from 1968, 1969, & 1970. I listen to those shows on the Archive and sometimes there might be a nasty reel flip that makes releasing the whole show not the best option, but there is tremendous music all around that reel flip would make for a killer release. Aoxomoxoa 50th anniversary release is another example of a partial release, the music from the Avalon Balllroom is really cool. I would always prefer a complete release if it is possible,but you make such a great point using 10/31/71 as an example, why partial releases can be cool.
October 31, 2021 - 5:46am

#526

unkle sam

Joined:
October 3, 2008

wow

just reread some of the comments after I made my now infamous comment. Someone said bla, bla, bla which made no sense some said, I, I, me, me, I, I, I lol, some even agreed with me, thank you. Some even misunderstood what I said and some even put words into my mouth. I never said it was a rip off, I never said any thing that I thought was negative, just an opinion about what I thought and my preferences. You know what, I don't have to explain my self to some of you on this site who think you are the dead head of all deadheads, lol, get over your selves. Like I said before, my days of blindly buying dead music is over, I will listen first, try and get some information from non brainwashed deadheads about sound quality and make an INFORMED decision, that is all.
Of course I am down for another year of Dave's, but I too wish I could hear the releases first, (or at least know what they are going to be) then purchase, but then they wouldn't be able to sell any less than stellar shows which as we all know can be included in this set up. I will still blindly purchase these releases for the bonus disc and the early bird pricing. That is what keeps me coming back, early bird is like 4 for the price of 3, plus a bonus disc, a real no brainer. And as was stated by someone, if I don't like one of the releases, I can always sell it on ebay for double what it cost, lol.
Thanks for the heads up about the new Johnny Cash release from Bear, Dennis. I am truly sorry to hear that, I was so looking forward to hearing some Man in Black from the height of hippy days. I do understand that Bear was into a lot of things and recording the Grateful Dead was a passion and perhaps he had a bit of trouble with the set up due to the type of music it was and the way it was played, being used to the Dead and that set up. I don't know, just a theory. Still, would love to hear it.
October 31, 2021 - 3:32am

#527

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

Bright Star!

I played Dicks Picks 2 myself last night....a wonderful disc. Proof positive that the distilled highlights of a show make for a great release. Unique Dark Star - both jazz inflected and melodic, with Jerry shining brightest. Hardly a whisper can be heard from Keith, though. Which probably adds to the tracks uniqueness-they could presumabley hear him, and respond to his playing-but we can't - we can only hear the response.

John Keats birthday today, too. Author of some of the most transcendental poems I have ever read - "Was it a vision or a waking dream/Fled is that music - Do I wake or sleep?"
October 31, 2021 - 2:10am

#528

Forensicdoceleven

Joined:
June 17, 2008

And so we came forth, and once again beheld the stars……….

50 years ago today……………

October 31, 1971
Ohio Theater, Columbus, Ohio

Set 1: Bertha-Me & My Uncle-Deal-Playing In The Band-Loser-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-Big Railroad Blues-Brown Eyed Women-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-Cumberland Blues-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Dark Star>Sugar Magnolia>St. Stephen>Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Jason Stempin…………

Long before the awakening of thought on earth, manifestations of cosmic energy must have been produced which have no parallel today………

The first set, average while fine, gives no hint of the cosmic energy that would be unleashed in the second set. Previously uncirculated, officially released as the only single-disc Dick’s Picks in March 1995, this exploded like a supernova upon first listening way back when. And it has stood up to repeated listening since then. It is indeed very very fine, one of the best official 1971 releases……

To quote DL himself: “I’m absolutely thrilled. I can’t believe that anyone who hears this is not going to go to outer space, intensely, over and over… This show was like getting hit with a brick in the face, I couldn’t believe it. I put it on again and said ‘Man!’ I must have played it ten times before I could talk… This is as good as it’s ever been. I’ve never heard anything like it, and I’m shocked… I have to put myself in a seatbelt. I start shaking, it’s so exciting… This is a thrill a minute.”

Doubt thou the stars are fire, doubt that the sun doth move, doubt truth to be a liar, but never doubt I love……..

Rock on!

Doc
I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness because it shows me the stars……
October 31, 2021 - 12:29am

#529

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

Paranoia strikes deep.

Sad. That's all.
October 30, 2021 - 9:36pm

#530

Gratefulhan

Joined:
June 6, 2007

Oro & Jim/Phish on West Coast

Oro and Jim, thank you both as well. I plan to stay in shape and keep up with BJJ for as long as I can. I think I am one of the younger commenters on these pages, but at my BJJ academy, I am one of the oldest. There are few guys that have about a year on me, but most people's I train with are in their 20's to early 30's. They are hard to handle, but I can still hold my own, at least for now.

I saw Phish this summer in Hershey. I had great time , but these West Shows look bonkers. What I have heard sounds great. Phish has been on top of their game I think for a while now, really least for the past 4 years or so. I need to do so more listening but it seemed like they turned their game up somewhere around 2015-2016 and just kept improving from then. Now it seems like just about every show is above average if not stellar.

Also, I will say that Dead & Co have upped their game as well. I saw them at Blossom this summer. I felt like that show was OK, but there where some really good shows over summer. Plus some of their recent West Coast shows have been high level as well from I have heard. As I typed this, I watched the free 2nd set opener for tonight - it was a very well played Jack Straw.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

Dogon and Mosaic

I'm always afraid to go there.

The gravitational pull on my wallet can yank me right out of my chair!

Also, I don't know how she did it, but Mrs DJ seems to have hooked up with Mosaic, every time I visit the site she gets a text I'm there!?!?

The woman has powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal wives.

Dennis

Spooky!
Glad Mrs Dogon doesnt get the same mails!

Brent/Bon

I felt the same way about the tinkling of Brent's keyboard sound and also his voice compared to the tapes of shows I had of the 70s with keith, but as I started going to lots of east coast shows, he started to sound better and better to my ears as the 80s wound down. It was just like when bon scott died and was replaced by brian Johnson. Even though back in black was a monumental album, you just could not shake that thirst for Bon every time you heard B+B and the ones to follow.

Brent sounds

I can only imagine what dead.net in 1979 would have been like when he joined the band. If any of you are aware of Phantasy Tour's Phish Board, that's about the level of vitriol and hate I would imagine would have followed Dead shows and tours. I've never had much of a problem with his keyboard sounds, because he was using some of the best technology they had, it just wasn't that great, and he wasn't a Bernie Worrell that was going to wail on a Moog. Conversely, he's the best organ player the Dead had. As far as his voice, I can also see the reason for the dislike or hate, but for me, it's a unique voice, and why I think it fits is the passion and feeling you can hear in it. Funny enough, I often wish Bob was feeling it a little less on some of the Little Red Roosters, Looks Like Rains, Throwing Stones, Estimateds, etc...

Still awaiting 39, hoping it sounds as good as most of y'all seem to be saying! And good to know Plangent has a Process for tapes, too, though let's hope that's a last resort option.

Jerry's Birthday 94

I was there for both shows. Also caught the 1st night at Soldier Field that summer. The Palace shows were usually well performed. Saw all of them.

If it's illegal to rock and roll, throw my ass in jail!

50 years ago today……

August 4, 1971
Terminal Island Correctional Facility, San Pedro, California

Truckin’-Yellow Dog Story-Bertha-Me And Bobby McGee-Hard To Handle-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Loser-Playing In The Band-Next Time You See Me-Me And My Uncle-Casey Jones-Cumberland Blues-Big Boss Man-Sugaree-El Paso-Mr. Charlie-Not Fade Away>Going Down The Road Feeling Bad>Turn On Your Lovelight

Deadicated to Andy Dufresne…..

One of the most unusual venues the Dead ever played, Terminal Island is a “low security” federal prison that opened in 1938, located at the entrance to Los Angeles Harbor, that holds approximately 1,000 inmates. Dead sound man Owsley Stanley was held there from 1970-1972. Other “famous” inmates that have been held there include Al Capone, Henry Hill, Timothy Leary, Charles Manson, Anita O’Day, and Flora Purim. At this time, it is unknown exactly where within the facility the concert was held, or how many “guests” attended.

I must admit, this is one of my serious “1971 guilty pleasures”. Lean and mean and not much in between. If you prefer your 71 Dead smooth and creamy, this may not be the show for you. But if you like some Dead that’ll rattle your fillings, dig in!!

For excellent Owsley/taping info, check out deadessays blogspot, bear-at-board..........

Rock on!!!

Doc
We who live in prison, and in whose lives there is no event but sorrow, have to measure time by throbs of pain, and the record of bitter moments………..

Best organ?

Alvarhanso-you prefer Brent's contributions to Tom Constanten's, then? Granted, Tom didn't exactly tear it up, but he added greatly to the mysterious backdrop. There's a lot to be said for understatement. I'm not so keen on over emoting in song, either. Some white soul singers can seem a bit ridiculous, sharing their assumed pain in reinterpretations of soul classics.

Re: Best Organ

Yes, Sir Daverock, I go with Brent, specifically as a rock organist. TC is a great keyboardist (when you can hear him), but as far as a keyboardist pushing songs and allowing them to do songs like Dear Mr Fantasy, Brent brought an extra gear for the rockers. And for those that say his keyboard sounds are cheesey, check out T Lavitz in Jazz is Dead and Dixie Dregs. Granted he played what he had access to in the 70s with the Dregs, but in the late 90s-00s he still had those keyboard sounds. It's probably the biggest limiting factor for my periodic binges of JiD. Keith didn't play much organ, and his realm was obviously piano, with seemingly little intrest in synths. Vince is pretty good. Bruce I'm not sure I know organ playing from him. Great accordion player, though!

Also, I caught a Dark Star Orchestra show (or two) with TC sitting in the whole night. He was better in the mix for those, but it wasn't much better than an average DSO show at the time was, so I wasn't blown away by him. Which reminds me, I also met him briefly 20 years ago today at Phil and Friends in Charlotte with the ABB and Susan Tedeschi opening. Also, somewhat ironically, that show started Jam> Dear Mr Fantasy. Great show, Jimmy Herring was on fire from the jump. St Stephen> The Eleven> St Stephen> Inspiration> Golden Road closed out the set. The Inspiration was that section of Terrapin Station done over an Arabic sounding scale, terrifically good stuff! Would l i n k to it, but that ain't allowed... (nor is the l-word)

Being nowhere and talking to nobody about nothing

50 years ago today…..

August 5, 1971
Hollywood Palladium, Los Angeles, California

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-El Paso-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Me And Bobby McGee-Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-Loser-Sugar Magnolia-Bird Song-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>jam>Not Fade Away-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Ihopedonnajeanshowsup, Pozole, Joning, RJDMD, scullroses, galacticartist, Flew With The Dead, driscoll1313, Rmw, watteau, MAXROD, DonalKuhn, mdgonzo, and ja22252, because time moves in one direction, memory in another….

This hard rocking affair, featuring the dog suckingest man in show business and mister Candy Weir, may not be as famous as the following night but is still worthy of your consideration. And, it’s one of a handful of 1971 shows that features the “big jam” in the first set. So what are you waiting for??!!!

Rock on!!

Doc
If God doesn't destroy Hollywood Boulevard, he owes Sodom and Gomorrah an apology…..

T.C.

Alvarhanso-yes, I see. I have seen T.C. play live a couple of times, too-once with a latter day Jefferson Starship and once, more recently, with Live Dead 69. I can't honestly say I remember his contributions specifically. He played a short solo set before Jefferson Starship came on, and I remember his piano playing more than his organ. Nice Cold Rain and Snow, as I recall.
I also met him briefly, between sets at the Starship gig. I seemed more pleased to see him, than he did to see me, I think its fair to say. He didn't look too comfortable.

An uncomfortable TC

I am a little curious Dave, what had you done to make TC uncomfortable?(😉)

T.C. - Dogon

I'm not sure. I was quite happy on the night in question, so maybe I was a bit in his face. I offered him my hand to shake, and he didn't seem to like the look of that much!

Uncomfortable meetings with celebrities

Dave, did I tell you about my uncomfortable meeting with Country Joe back in the early 70s?
I found myself next to him in the urinals at a college gig in Walthamstow. I asked him if he would play a request, surprised, he made a half turn, and urinated over my shoes.
Half an hour later, he dedicated the requested song to Dogon, whose shoes I just pissed on in the john.
All eyes turned on me as I excitedly explained loudly to my date, that the song was for me.
Um, the date never went out with me again...

Getting jazzed

for this box because:
- of the stuff that I know nothing about that will happily surprise me, and
- Discs 10 & 20! Those alone look worth it!

Dogon: THAT...is why I love R&R!
and “she never went out with me again”
CLASSIC!

Hollywood is an idea, it's not a real place…..

50 years ago today….

August 6, 1971
Hollywood Palladium, Los Angeles, California

Set 1: Bertha-Playing In The Band-Loser-Mr.Charlie-El Paso-Cumberland Blues-Brokedown Palace-Me And Bobby McGee-Hard To Handle-Casey Jones

Set 2: Saint Stephen-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One-Deal-Sugar Magnolia-Morning Dew-Turn On Your Lovelight

Deadicated to WackaloonQ, antonjo, TheeAmazingAce333, mhammond12, Anders O, Borgmano, johnny361, Mr. Jack Straw, nirktwin2, Sun King, g1u2i3, wave-that-flag, and searchlightcasting, because if a line of poetry strays into my memory, my skin bristles so that the razor ceases to act……

Very unusual position for Saint Stephen----opening the second set. The band stops before the song is truly completed, after “What would be the answer to the answer man”, due to a broken string.

One of the best known shows from the Summer of 71, with a magnificent Hard To Handle, fine big jam, a cool late second set Morning Dew, and a Lovelight in the classic show closing position. Hard rocking and highly recommended.

Rock on!!

Doc
Hollywood is a place where they'll pay you a thousand dollars for a kiss and fifty cents for your soul……

Are you sure it was....

your hand you offered Mr. TC?

Proudfoot

Pre Covid , sure. Why, what did you normally offer by way of greeting?

Only the guy who isn't rowing has time to rock the boat………….

50 years ago today……

August 7, 1971
Golden Hall, San Diego, California

Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-El Paso-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-Mama Tried-Bertha-Big Boss Man- Promised Land-Hard to Handle-Cumberland Blues Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-China Cat Sunflower-I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Sugar-Magnolia-Sing Me Back Home-Me & My Uncle-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad>jam>Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Seth Hollander, Oxford 88, Mr_Heartbreak, gcdeadhead, Shafts Of Lavender, Gratefulpeds, Gbow22, frampton, jpdonn1, chilly1214, and deadyettipa, because nothing fixes a thing so intensely in the memory as the wish to forget it…..

Released as part of Dick’s Picks 35 in 2005, one of the so-called “houseboat tapes”, somewhat of a revelation at the time, as not all summer 71 shows circulated. Not the greatest show but I will always take whatever 71 is officially released!!

There’s not a “big jam”---although there is an interesting but short jam between GDTRFB and Johnny B Goode---but it’s OK. What I call “the three R’s of live Dead”----rockin’, rowdy, and raucous!! Needless to say, worth a listen!!!

Rock on!!

Doc
We are imprisoned in the realm of life, like a sailor on his tiny boat, on an infinite ocean……

River Chest?

Just wondering. . . Is the chest depicted in the lower right corner of the cover art for the 'Listen To The River' Box maybe a sketch of the yet-to-be-revealed box itself? Hmmm.

Hmmm Indeed

I think you may be on to something. You have a keen eye Mr. Smith.

Slipcase

That’s the description above.

*

Oh man, that last post says it all

As in, they haven't yet figured out how to prevent spammers, only managed to keep us from posting linqs.

But the last poster really has a point. I'll go for the dragon noodles.

A killer release is a killer release is a . . .

Yup, Icecream, does say 'slip case', but also says 'custom boxed set'. . . Maybe during the next 7 weeks Dave or Doc R or somebody will do an unboxing or de-casing or whatever for us. However it's packaged, this is going to be a face-melter. Onward.

So who wouldn't like a nice chest?

I'd love some sort of chest theme box. (sucker for that shit)

But I think it will be like the Spring box. I think that large SQUARE picture will adorn the side of the box.

But a fuckin' chest be way cooler!!!

One nice chest and hot box for me, please.

Yes, I am still 13 years old.

Chest Works

I am partial the E72 Trunk as well.

Proudfoot

.... that's why I feed the straight lines.

If this is a slip case box…

If this is a slip case box set it could end up being about twice the depth of the Fillmore Box,or maybe it might resemble the last two Tangerine Box sets releases. I've got to admit that I prefer a box that has a removable cover or hinged opening with extra trinkets. But all being equal its the music inside that counts.

Sold

I wonder if there more than 10,000 unsold boxes at this point.

Slip Box!

Per today's GD Bulletin, Icecream was right – Listen to the River is coming via slip cases in a box. Nice and tidy and has a better chance of finding room on crowded shelves. And, as most have said, no matter the packaging, this is a treasure chest of Grateful Dead from a legendary and transformational couple of years. Onward.

Great read from the Liane…

Great read from the Liane Plant 'All in the Family' interview! The graphics with the June '76 Box are fantastic but returning to illustration really excites me. More personable, as in the Spring '90s and July '78 sets. Quote:

"....artwork combined the 1920s opulent interiors of the former movie theatre designed by C. Howard Crane. The Fox Theatre’s Asian ornamental motifs and painted interiors were incredibly beautiful, this informed the Box inner artwork as well, I based the framework shape from the box set inner sleeve from a pattern from the wall tiles in the theatre....."

Just read the rest!

Really Looking Forward to this Box

I have been calling for this one for years. It's really a peak peek at what's left in the vault to be released.

So thankful it will (should) get the plangent treatment. We are a spoiled bunch and I am very grateful.

Piling on...

Was looking for something positive to say about anything at this point -- and saw JimInMD's positive post on the forthcoming box. So all I have to say is, YEAH! Way looking forward to enjoying these seven shows over the fall and winter. I always take my time, listen once, and shelve 'em. These days I can listen, solo, to a two-disc show, occasionally a three-disc-er. Then it's archived. Whenever that second listen comes, it's like a first-time listen. For example, three of us took 2 1/2 years to work through the Euro '72 box, perhaps an extreme example, but then again, I'm all about extreme examples.

Two back-to-back '71 shows with Captain Grease at the helm. Three consecutive fall '72 shows. And two winter '73 shows? Hard to see how they top this next year. As many have noted, however, there's no need to rank or choose shows or boxes because one night I might like mint chip ice cream, another night I favor chocolate.

And in October, it's gonna be a Seven Show Sandwich. Yum.

If I have seen further......

....... it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants.

I got my Bill Savory collection from Mosaic last night and after reading the book that came with it (which I almost never do!), I thought of that quote from Newton (sir, not fig) If Owsley was a brilliant recording/ sound engineer, then he was standing on the shoulders of Bill Savory. This guy sound checked a billion live radio shows and recorded a massive amount of them. There were always whispers of his collection, the width and depth of it, the mystery and hopes of what might be there. He was friends with Benny Goodman (fixed his mom's radio so she could listen to his shows) Everyone thought he had tons of Benny. Turns out he had tons of everyone!!! After his death they finally got in touch with son who was disposing of the estate, saved his records from the garbage can just before they cleaned out his house! There was apparently enough boxed up records they needed a uhaul to take them from Chicago to NY. Someone bought the entire collection from the son and donated them to National Jazz Museum in Harlem. There they are being cleaned and processed. Hopefully this is just the first volume of Bill Savory.

I love a happy ending!

Expanded STL Box

Add these to it
4-17-69 DS12
2-2-70 DaP6
3-18-71 30Trips

Looks

I like the design of the slipcase box as shown in the email. I reminds me of the Veneta box design, but this one will obviously be bigger. It appears to me that there is perhaps a hinged box that holds the seven shows that slides into the slipcase.

Regarding the shows, Jim is on point. This is going to be a stellar release. I don't buy all the boxes, just the ones that really grab me and this one does. I can't wait to get this one.

Slipcase slipcase second generation

I'm curious if it's more Sunshine Daydream or Get Shown the Light slipcase, the pic in the email makes the object coming out appear more substantial than those thin, etched paper cases of GSTL, which was just 11cds. SSDD was just 3 plus DVD or BluRay, so that kind of slipcase was nice for that. This is the biggest box set cd wise since PacNW, which was 19cds. Other than 30 Trips's gargantuan 80cds in 2015, this the biggest since 2014 Spring '90 The Other One's 23cds. I'm expecting some heft to this thing. If you could do Europe in a steamtrunk, maybe taking a steamboat on the mighty Mississippi, one may need a valise or briefcase? Whatever it is, however large it is, it shall be adorning a spot on the shelves, but I simply can't wait for the goodness within. I'm pining for these shows like a Norwegian Blue parrot that's most definitely not pushing up the daisies. The plumage of the box may be lovely, but the glory is in the music of the Dead 1971-73.

Hoping somewhere along the way we get a Listening Party featuring at least one of the three Brokedowns giving the box its name.

He’s not dead

he’s just resting...

I like living in Berkeley, but I know Berkeley's not the world….

50 years ago today…..

August 14, 1971
Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, California

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Big Boss Man-Brokedown Palace-Playing In The Band-Hard To Handle-Cumberland Blues-Loser-Promised Land

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And Bobby McGee-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode-Uncle John's Band

Deadicated to Serpent of Dreams, droidmec, WhatsbecomeofRosemarysBaby, Fogle, MilesM, NWScarletFireGuy, Old Chief Smokem, mdboucher, Quodlibet, Thats_Otis, and Pancho Pantera, because memory is the treasure house of the mind wherein the monuments thereof are kept and preserved……

One of the better summer 71 shows, with a decent dose of first set Pigpen and a nice big jam to open the second set. Phil is very active. The second set seems to be dominated by Bobby, with four straight Weir songs to kick it off. One never hears a lot about the two Berkeley shows, but they are worth a listen!!

Rock on!!

Doc
Sometimes I can think of nothing more blissful than going to Berkeley and reading Byron for three years……………

Truth is the cry of all, but the game of few…..

50 years ago today…..

August 15, 1971
Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, California

Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-Playing In The Band-Mr. Charlie-Cumberland Blues-Sugaree-Promised Land-Big Boss Man-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Me And Bobby McGee-Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Turn On Your Love Light

Encore: Johnny B. Goode-And We Bid You Goodnight

Deadicated to the420bandito, MLavallee, blueboy714, Roguedeadguy, chilly1214, Moses Quasar, kevinbrandon, UncleBill'sBand, gruesom, skantor, Lightfoot510, JJJJJ, msmiranda, bchar, JackS, luis, clovett, and Dead Ahead, because memory is a complicated thing, a relative to truth, but not its twin…..

Requests for White Rabbit, and a critical envelope…………..

As with the previous evening, a show that doesn’t get a lot of attention. A little less grease, and a bit more jamming. A worthwhile trade-off? You decide………..

Rock on!!

Doc
So long as I confine my thoughts to my own ideas divested of words, I do not see how I can be easily mistaken……

August 71 should get a lot of attention

8 5
8 6
8 14
8 15
8 23
8 24
8 26

14 and 15 deserve a lot of love

8/14 & 8/15 1971

Yeah Proudfoot, especially the 14th. As I mentioned on the other page, Jerry's playing a Gibson Les Paul at these shows, which gives them a completely different / unusual flavor than anything I've heard after they started playing songs from the WMD, AB, Ace, and Garcia records. I love this guitar from years of listening to hard rocker guitarist Ace Frehley play it (pretty much his trademark axe). Just listen to that thing sing while he's picking away under Weir's vocals on El Paso. I guess headphones help. And The Other One => Jam => Other One Reprise on the 14th is some top shelf jamming.

I don't recall any official releases from '71 forward with the Les Paul. I certainly don't recall hearing the unusual texture enough to look it up like I did with this one. I know he used it on and off prior to those above-mentioned records, but he primarily stuck with the SG when it came to Gibsons in this era. As best I can tell from the Jerry guitar site, the 30 Trips show from 11/10 1967 is the only official release featuring it from the '60s/'70s. It looks like he had been playing a few different Les Paul models throughout 1967-1968 and switched to the SG the very night of the famous show at the Greek on 10/20/68 (also in the 30 Trips box of course). So yeah Doc, these are special shows to this guitar geek.

Gibson Les Paul Specials

On some of the pictures in the booklet for Dicks Picks 35, chronicling shows in August 1971, it looks as though Jerry is playing a a Gibson Les Paul Special - in glorious TV yellow at that. I have always liked this guitar - it is one of the few Gibsons that has single coil pickups - P90s. Keith Richards used one live on Midnight Rambler for decades, and in England it seemed to be used more by rhythm players in hard rock - but not metal - mode. Humble Pie and Mott The Hoople used them sometimes, as well as various punk bands. I think Johnny Thunders played one.

El Posto Cinco

Concrete Blonde - Bloodletting
Los Lobos - Kiko Live
Kool & The Gang - Light of Worlds
Pink Floyd - Live At Knebworth 1990
Billy Gibbons - Hardware

Saw Guns N' Roses again last night in Denver. Nothing new, but a rowdy crowd loud and ready to party. Felt absolutely great to be back out on the tiles again!

Cheers everyone, be well.

\m/

We are everywhere . . .

I was at a river picnic Sunday for someone's birthday; lots of swimming and Bocce . . .

Started talking to the husband of one of the invitees, and he mentioned living in S.F. for twenty years, from 1973-1993. I said, "Well, being a huge DeadHead, I HAVE to ask if you are into them . . . " His eyes lit up, and he enthusiastically said, "Yes! I saw them something like 150 times!" So we chatted.

Eventually I asked when his FIRST show was, and he started thinking, then told me it was in the winter of '72 in Michigan. I said, "Was it perhaps 12/14/71 at Hill Auditorium in Ann Arbor?" I thought he was going to swallow his tongue, he was so surprised! (partially because he could likely tell that I was one year old at the time) He decided that THAT was actually the year, NOT 1972, and then he shouted to his wife, "Honey, you're not going to believe this!"

I mentioned that he might want to check out a new box set that had music from the two shows just prior to his first . . . Now I'm getting his e-dress from the birthday friend, so that I can send him an amalgam of 12/14/71, from the official release and some high-quality boots.

How many boxes are left?

Years ago, it was possible to "order" a whole lot of these limited releases and if you ordered above a number of units, you'd get something like "unable to order the number you requested" or something like that. Then you start over with a lower figure and keep trying again and again until you came close to the correct number of boxes left. Or something like that.

With this current system, it appears that you cannot do that with this release.

However, I am patiently waiting for that shipping email to be sent and more importantly the box itself.

I have 12/10/71 a bootleg cd set;
10/18 & 19/72 as downloads (I think I still have them)

Yours truly,

Wussface Heatwimp

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