Dave's Picks Vol. 39: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 4/26/83

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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August 7, 2021 - 8:20am

#721

icecrmcnkd

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Lemieux and Norman

What’s the scoop?
Is the HDCD logo on the releases just false advertising?

Have you considered doing a few releases of awesome sounding Plangentized reels as BluRay Audio, 24/192?
Led Zeppelin did that with the Song Remains The Same soundtrack.
August 7, 2021 - 8:16am

#722

1stshow70878

Joined:
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Maybe You Know

Wow! First time I've heard this. I love it. Kind of Loose Lucy sounding. Will have to pay more attention to the lyrics but at first listen was most impressed with Jerry's chording like Chuck Berry. A special treat in a show where Jerry is hitting an amazing number of notes. Arpeggio maximus. How did he just keep getting faster even as his health was declining?
Cheers all!
August 7, 2021 - 8:12am

#723

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Sorry that was so long

I would have just posted the lynk if I could.

It came from a site called audio asylum.
August 7, 2021 - 8:10am

#724

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Thanks for the info

Arthur,
What you posted appears to be from VLC. If you used VLC to convert a 16 bit CD to 24 bit FLAC you just put 16 bits into a 24 bit container. That’s not the equivalent of playing a 720p DVD in a BluRay player that upconverts to 1080p.
If you used actual software that decodes HDCD please tell us what software that is.

Ziffle,
What you said is in line with what I’ve read online.

Simon,
I thought you had a CD player that let you toggle between CD and HDCD.

Since I can’t post a lynk, here’s the text.

Huge misconception regarding HDCD
Posted by Charles Hansen (M) on June 12, 2017 at 23:26:28
In Reply to: RE: MQA vs HDCD posted by Jeff Starr on June 9, 2017 at 02:03:01:

>> HDCD was a way to get 20 bit sound out of a redbook CD. <<
That is what Pacific Microsonics (PM) *claimed* for HDCD. The truth is that was simply marketing hyperbole. PM built an A/D converter designed by Keith Johnson, called the Model One. The later Model Two was similar but added support for both dual- and quad-sampling rates. There were three unique features of the PM A/D converters that comprised the HDCD system:

1) Peak Extend (PE) - was a compansion algorithm that compressed the top 9dB of audio signal during recording into the top 3dB of digital codes on the disc. When played back through an HDCD-enabled DAC or CD player, a "sub-code" that replaced some of the audio signal in the 16th bit (LSB) would instruct the DAC to expand the compressed signal and restore the full dynamic range.

2) Low-Level Extension (LLE) - was a method to automatically boost the gain as the audio signal dropped, starting when the signal level fell to -45dBFS. It was boosted in 0.5dB steps as the level fell, reaching a maximum gain shift of 4dB if the signal ever fell another -18dB to -63dBFS. Again when played back through an HDCD-equipped DAC or CD player, the instructions mixed in the LSB of the audio signal would instruct the DAC to lower the gain (and background noise) by the appropriate amount.

3) Transient Filter (TF) - was a method whereby the A/D converter measured the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave. When it passed a certain threshold, the HDCD system would select from one of two available anti-aliasing filters (ie, "digital filters"). The original plan was apparently to have a complementary process during playback, but this never materialized. My best guess is that this was because Ed Meitner (then of Museatex) had beaten PM to the punch and already patented a DAC that switched reconstruction filters (ie, "digital filters) during playback, again by sensing the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave.

The problem is that the claimed 20 bits of resolution is a horribly distorted representation of the truth.. It was one of the greatest marketing misrepresentations in the history of high-end audio. In actuality, both PE and LLE could be *optionally* applied by the mastering engineer, and the instruction manual warned that there were specific reasons for not doing so on certain types of music. Also there never was any way to decode for the TF feature (which was always engaged). However every single CD made with a PM A/D converter would light up the mandatory "HDCD" logo light on a licensed DAC - even when there was no decoding of the disc even possible - apparently in an attempt to scare people into purchasing a new CD player or DAC that had HDCD decoding (and from which PM received royalty payments).

The truth is that PE (*if* engaged by the mastering engineer) could only ever provide a maximum dynamic range increase of 6dB - and even then only if the recorded signal reached 0dBFS. In the very extreme case, this only adds 1 bit of resolution, to 17 bits.

The truth about LLE is even more underwhelming. *If* the mastering engineer chose to engage it, it only became active when the audio signal dropped below -45dBFS. I have analyzed scores of HDCD discs using the tools available in Foobar. For popular music LLE was *only* ever engaged during song fadeouts. It turns out that -45dBFS is an extremely low level, nearly 8 bits below the maximum. Even with classical music recorded using LLE, the gain-shifting only activates infrequently - specifically during very quiet passages when only 1 or 2 instruments are playing. I have never seen an HDCD track ever use the full 4dB range of level shifting, as the signal level would have to fall to -63dBFS, nearly 11 bits below the maximum. The *theoretical* maximum gain shift of 4dB amounts to about another 0.6 bits of dynamic range.

If *both* features were engaged by the mastering engineer, and everything completely optimized in an extremely unlikely real-world scenario, the most that HDCD could boost the dynamic range would be 1.6 bits to 17.6 bits. In more realistic situations, engaging both features would increase the effective bit depth between 0 and roughly 1.2 bits with classical music, and between 0 and roughly 0.9 bits with popular music.

At this date we have all had chances to hear the differences between 44/16 files and 44/24 files. The most common example was the 2009 remaster of The Beatles box set. The CDs were dithered down to 16 bits, while the "green apple" thumb drive contained the original 44/24 files (reduced from the 192/24 tape transfers made with Prism A/D converters). Yes there is a difference in sound, but it is hardly "jaw-dropping" or "transformational". So if adding 8 true bits of resolution only improves the sound slightly, one wonders how much improvement would be heard with only 1 extra bit of resolution - *if* the HDCD features were even engaged by the mastering engineer.

So where did PM come up with the "20 bits of resolution" claim? Simple - they added the extra bits as the A/D converter also had optional dither algorithms. This is where it gets weird. Prior to the PM converters, by far the most common alternative was the Sony PCM-1610. While it did not have any dither built into that converter, the incoming audio signal was always dithered anyway - by the tape hiss present on the analog tape that was being transferred to digital. There is no tape recorder on the planet that has an unweighted S/N ratio greater than 96dB, which is what would be required to create the need for external dither to be added.

The next question is why was HDCD so enthusiastically received by the audio press and many mastering studios? Again the answer is quite simple - it sounded far better than the competing Sony unit. *Not* because of the HDCD features but simply because it was designed to a far higher "audiophile" standard by Keith Johnson, an extremely talented designer.

The A/D converter is simply one box in the chain between the recording microphone and the playback speaker. We have all heard the difference made by replacing (say) a cheap preamplifier made with very old, low cost op-amps, electrolytic coupling capacitors, and low quality parts throughout with a mega-buck preamplifier made by one of the top designers on the planet using fully discrete circuitry, state-of-the art parts throughout, and designed for the absolute maximum performance.

A change like this can completely transform the sound of a home stereo system. And a similar change to the A/D converter can completely transform the sound quality of a CD.

That is the real story of HDCD - a superior sounding product that was sold through deliberately misleading marketing strategies and false comparison setups. For example at the 1997 CES, PM gave out free CDs with "comparison" tracks purporting to show the differences made by HDCD processing. The natural assumption was that the tracks were made with the same converter and simply engaging and disengaging the HDCD processing. But no, instead PM made three tracks with the PM A/D converter and three "comparison" tracks with a Sony PCM-1610 converter.

In addition HDCD was dreamed up to be a money-making machine. The converters were sold to the studios for $20,000 each (I'm unsure if there were licensing costs there.) On the playback side each manufacturer had to pay a $5,000 licensing fee up front (later raised to $10,000), plus purchase a special decoding IC from PM. The IC was priced artificially high so as to constitute an easy-to-track royalty payment for each player sold.

It fooled a lot of people for a long time. There were two separate events that led to the demise of HDCD. The first was that only a couple of years after HDCD was available to the public, both DVD-Audio and SACD offered true high-resolution formats, obviating the need to "hop up" the out-of-date Redbook CD format (by only a single bit of actual resolution). The second was that PM had paid roughly $500,000 to develop their custom decoding IC chip. It was made on a 600 micron process. (By comparison we are now down to the 12 to 16 micron range with semiconductor processes.) By 2002 or so that technology was so out of date that the fabrication house was dismantling the line and halted production. It would have cost another $500,000 to make a new version. There was an aborted attempt to fabricate it as a pre-programmed Motorola (?) DSP chip, but apparently there was only one sample batch ever made before PM sold the entire thing to Microsoft, where it died off fairly quickly.

The only positive note to the whole story is that there are still a good number of mastering houses that still use the PM A/D converters. Even though the Model Two is over 15 years old, there are only a handful of other brands that can compete with it sonically. It is still one of the best sounding A/D converters ever made, just as the Marantz 9 was one of the best sounding power amplifiers ever made. Good sound never goes out of fashion.

As far as any similarities between the 20-year old story of HDCD and the current story of MQA, I will leave that up to the reader to judge.

As always, strictly my own opinions and not necessarily those of my employer or guru.

EDIT: The above post was dashed off quickly and likely contains some minor errors. For example the units used in the discussion of semiconductor fabrication should have been "nanometers" and not "microns". Nevertheless I believe the overall arch is historically accurate. Corrections are highly welcomed.
August 7, 2021 - 7:43am

#725

Dennis

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That Mike and Ornette

Saw Ornette at Town Hall in NYC when he was doing the Song X tour with Methany.

Didn't understand one bit of it!!!
August 7, 2021 - 6:54am

#726

Dogon

Joined:
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Dennis, Joe and Lee

I dont think you will be disapointed when it arrives.
There is a rumour that a Lee Morgan 60s set is in the works, unfortunately you have missed the Hank Mobley 60s set, but keep your eyes open, it might turn up used, if it does, pounce!
Also in Japan a whole slew of Lee Morgan reissues are being released in conjunction with the Live at the Lighthouse box.
CD Japan is your friend, and if you were to order from them you will be surprised, after dealing with all the highs and lows of dealing with Deadnet, of the smoothness and efficiency of the transaction!
I always pay for shipment via DHL, a bit more expensive, but 2, max 3 days delivery from Tokyo to my door in Sweden.
August 7, 2021 - 4:28am

#727

ArthurDent

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Encoding Info

Artist Grateful Dead
Title Let It Grow
Album 1983-04-26 - Dave's Picks Vol. 39 - The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
Track 10/10
Disc 1/3
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Year 1983
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August 7, 2021 - 2:07am

#728

Forensicdoceleven

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Only the guy who isn't rowing has time to rock the boat………….

50 years ago today……

August 7, 1971
Golden Hall, San Diego, California

Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-El Paso-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-Mama Tried-Bertha-Big Boss Man- Promised Land-Hard to Handle-Cumberland Blues Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-China Cat Sunflower-I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Sugar-Magnolia-Sing Me Back Home-Me & My Uncle-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad>jam>Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Seth Hollander, Oxford 88, Mr_Heartbreak, gcdeadhead, Shafts Of Lavender, Gratefulpeds, Gbow22, frampton, jpdonn1, chilly1214, and deadyettipa, because nothing fixes a thing so intensely in the memory as the wish to forget it…..

Released as part of Dick’s Picks 35 in 2005, one of the so-called “houseboat tapes”, somewhat of a revelation at the time, as not all summer 71 shows circulated. Not the greatest show but I will always take whatever 71 is officially released!!

There’s not a “big jam”---although there is an interesting but short jam between GDTRFB and Johnny B Goode---but it’s OK. What I call “the three R’s of live Dead”----rockin’, rowdy, and raucous!! Needless to say, worth a listen!!!

Rock on!!

Doc
We are imprisoned in the realm of life, like a sailor on his tiny boat, on an infinite ocean……
August 7, 2021 - 12:11am

#729

simonrob

Joined:
June 7, 2007

HDCD...

I have no idea if HDCD encoded discs sound better. I only have one CD player and that has no possibility to turn the HDCD on or off, so making a comparison is not possible. My player, like most, has the DAC built in. A comparison using my player and another with a different DAC and no HDCD would reveal the differences between the DACs as well as any differences with HDCD on or off, making such a comparison pointless. I can only read discussions on this by others, such as Ziffle, who are (or at least claim to be) better informed than me on the subject. I don't lose sleep over this as there is nothing I can do about it- I just put CDs in the player, hit 'Play' and the magic begins.
August 6, 2021 - 9:09pm

#730

Angry Jack Straw

Joined:
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Satisfaction

Wharf - I believe you are referring to the 8/8/82 Alpine Valley show. The whole show is awesome stuff.

John Perry Barlow

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

Phish 7/25 MSG

A truly great Phish show complete with 30 min Lawn Boy and 34 min Crosseyed...wonderful stuff

Phish

I think I'll skip straight to the scheduled Dark Star-St Stephen whatever, if that's alright. With a bit of King Crimson thrown in on the side.

#5877

My wife called me a nerd, although I knew it would be appreciated elsewhere. Day off, second run through, finding a lot of things to love on this release. What will DaP40 bring? This is my first subscription, money well spent. It's fun to look forward to mail.

Neil Young

I see the NYA have announced the release of December 4th 1970 Carnegie Hall double CD on October 1st. So 2 good releases that day.

pish

I too will skip right ahead to the darkstar, thanks Daverock, you said what we all wanted to say. Was just listening to Satisfaction and Charlie Watts is going to be greatly missed on this US tour. It's like Led Zeppelin with out Bonzo. Get well soon Charlie

Delightfulee!!

The Lee Morgan box set is in, cannot wait to give this a listen during the weekend.

DaP 39, #58/25000, sits and sits, waiting to be played. Not sure what to make of that. Dead fatigue?

Pish does a worthy cover of Loving Cup....

....but, yeah.

Sure don't know what I'm going for smash up

So, I'm a little high and am watching various dead videos late last night and came across 3-3-87. An energetic, well played show, even with the typical 87 cautiousness. Especially the 1/2 step and the Quinn opener. The second set brings a St. of Circumstance. Again, well played until the closing section where they repeatedly sing:

Sure don't know what I'm going for
But I'm gonna go for it for sure.

The first run through goes fine, then Jerry gets out of sync and starts singing the opposite line as Weir. They do this 3 or 4 times, with Jerry glancing over at Bob with bemusement. I'm thinking there are three possibilities:

1) Jerry's genuinely lost about where they are in the song.
2) Jerry thinks he's right and it's Bob who went off track.
3) Jerry knows he's wrong but keeps going just to fuck with Bob.

Granted, like I said, I was high so I went with number 3. Couldn't stop cracking up about it.

Stones performing without Charlie Watts??

What a waste of ... everything. No Charlie, no Stones. It's that simple. And if you read about their early history, that's actually, factually true.

That's the final straw for me! Fake Rolling Stones! Aaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm actually serious. No Brian Jones? No problem. No Ian Stewart? Regrettable, but you can't raise the dead. No Charlie Watts?? Inconceivable!!!!!!!

DaP 39

wilfredtjones - thank you for answering my question regarding the 4/25 bonus material on Disc2 in place of the balance of the 4/26 show. I thought that might be the case but figured the reason had be something far more mysterious.

Fortunately Dave was able to replace the 'Space' segment with ... 'Space'! Go figure! Although I must admit that I'm not a fan of starting a disc with 'Space' as the first track on the disc. More often then not I only have time to listen to one disc per night and sometimes 'Space' is difficult to embrace cold, with no prior songs to get myself into the flow of the show.

And Vguy, I totally agree! Philly DOES deliver!

I particularly like this version of 'The Wheel'. Meaty, big and bold sounding.

I'm only through my second listen but I can see myself playing this release more often than other releases.

Stones without Charlie

I'd be ashamed to leave the house if I was Mick Jagger.

Mick Jagger

>Brian Jones

The worst Stones news...

Just rambling til they send me the upcoming 1971-73 GD box set...

BUT next year the Stones release their first album of original material in 17 years. What a waste! Jagger-Richards haven't written a decent song in 45 years, and I say that as a fan of the band. Why not stick with recording ancient blues staples and killing it, as they did a few years back?

(And how the hell is Steve Jordan going to channel Charlie Watts' inimitable small kit style??)

Okay, rant over.

The Stones 45 years ago

45 years ago yesterday ( 1976-yes, 45 years ago ! ) I saw The Stones at Knebworth Festival. Hot Tuna were on earlier in the day, too. Unfortunately I was too wrecked and too far away to make sense of anything. There is a great recording of Lyrnrd Skynyrd's set from the afternoon now available on cd/blu ray. Its the only recording I have ever had by them - but its pretty good Southern style rock a boogie, with a spine tingling Freebird, dedicated to Duane Allman, to end the set.
Very strange watching a crystal clear film of an event you attended so long ago, in such a different state of mind.

The Great Stoned Out Wrestling Champions

Daverock, I was at the First show of the 1978 tour in June and this was my first look at the Stones live. not a big fan of Ronnie Wood but went anyway and glad I did. The tickets had The Great Stoned Out Wrestling Champions as the headlining act which was a bit weird, but learned later that they had used pseudonyms in the past. Had great seats and they did a lot of debuts of songs from Some Girls, which was their new lp at the time. Don't remember much, except it was their 16th year together and they were pulling out a lot of Chuck Berry tunes, including Sweet little Sixteen. Doubt you will ever hear that song done by them again.
A band called The Henry Paul Band opened the show. A member of the Outlaws if I recall. 19th Nervous Breakdown was the first song I danced with a girl to, can't remember but I think it was the swim, or the boogaloo or maybe the twist, it was 1966 I think.
They have weathered a lot, First Brian, then Mick then Bill all left and they still just kept on truckin, but without Charlie, the actual backbone of the band, I just don't see how one person will be able to replace him..

The Stones live

I never saw them in 1978, Sam, but I have heard a few live recordings, and they were a lot sharper then than in 1976, when I saw them at Knebworth. Keith had dropped smack from his 5 a day, and punk had reared its ugly head between 1976 and 1978. The Stones seemed spurred into action, dropping their wasted glam rock appearance - they looked like drag queens at Knebworth - and going at it like tigers. Much leaner and more energetic. The studio albums of the time reflect this too - "Black and Blue" sounds very tired compared to "Some Girls" . They were still hyped up when I saw them in 1981. Too much at times - slow down that man !

50th of "Ace" in 2022?

Has anyone considered or discussed the possibility of a 50th of Bobby's "Ace" LP, rec'd in Jan-March '72 and released in May? We know this is basically the GD on Bob's project, so Lemieux could certainly decide (with Bob's permission) to consider it a GD 50th project, or not.

Dave could couple it with the short 3-5-72 show (if they have both reels in the vault) or a late '71 or fall '72.

I know I'd enjoy it, but whether that's a real possibility must have crossed Dave's mind by now.

Anyone?

R.I.P. Don Everly

You and Phil really put out some great music.

Ace

Prolly not.

But of course i could be wrong

@wilfredtjones

Sorry, I'm a set list geek, but another 5 is 2/8/86- 2/14/86. Funny enough, no Shakedown or Cumberland here either.

Hollywood is hype, New York is talk, Chicago is work…..

50 years ago today………..

August 23, 1971
Auditorium Theater, Chicago, Illinois

Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-Playing In The Band-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-El Paso-Next Time You See Me-Bertha-Me and Bobby McGee-Cumberland Blues-Big Boss Man-Loser-Promised Land -China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-Bird Song-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me and My Uncle>The Other One>Cryptical Envelopment reprise>Wharf Rat-Deal-Brokedown Palace-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away>Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to bkinva, ochs27, Born Cross Eyed in 1956, Gonzopolis, frosted, ummmmm..., PearlyBaker'sMan, Ziffle, jaydoublu, pc245, d-rock, rrussell8, nestamon, dan0,Kjohnduff1, and seabird17, because music, when soft voices die vibrates in the memory……

The second show in a row that opened with Big Railroad Blues, and the third show in a row with an Other One. Was there something in the water???

No windy city blues here. The Dead work it well. A nice, long, substantial show, absolutely worth a listen……

Rock on!!!

Doc
And then when I went to Chicago, that's when I had these outer space experiences and went to the other planets…..

#39 in Germany yet?

Has anybody got this pick in germany yet? mine's stucking since 8/5 somewhere in san bernadino or so. really frustrating. sorry. looking forward to the "fox-box" nevertheless.

wake up little suzie

what a song, RIP Don Everly, the songs of my early youth, knew every word to this one, the first members of the RARHOF.

@geostone

How long did it take you to find that, or was it top of mind? Check in to see the MSG runs from the 90's. I wonder how much redundancy there was in their respective set lists.

BTW, I was just thinking about starting a disc 3 with filler and what kind of options that could open...

Respect to Don Everly

RIP

Thx proudfoot, that was

a superbly reasoned response to my question on "Ace." ("Prolly not???" But why not, proudfoot??)

I guess cuz the artist is Bob Weir, not "Grateful Dead."

Well, if that's the case (proudfoot cannot be wrong), the HEY BOBBY, ANY OUTTAKES FROM THAT MONSTER STUDIO "PLAYING IN THE BAND"?

I'll say this: I refuse -- REFUSE! -- to wait til 2023 for a 50th Wake of the Flood. Load that one up with outtakes, please, and top it off with Watkins Glen soundcheck, thank you very much. Don't wait too long or I'll stomp my feet and hold my breath!!

Ace

It would be well worth marking with a 50th Anniversary release in my opinion. Not just for the fact that the band all played on it, but also for the fact that most of the songs on it became cornerstones in the Dead's repertoire ever after. Similarly, Jerry's first - an amazing album.
I am not the first to point out the Dead had enough great songs to have made several superb studio albums filling the gap between American Beauty and Wake of the Flood. That's including all the music on these two solo albums plus the new songs on Skull and Roses and Europe 72.

Game for Ace and Garcia

They are cornerstones of their repertoire. Hopefully they have some unreleased stuff in their quivers.

Besides.. it's not like them to look the other way and commemorate anniversaries by not releasing something...

Ace

Not usually thought of as a classic GD album

I would welcome a redo....

Ace

Agree.. except for PITB.

Honorable mention for Cassady, LLR and BTW. But PITB is a GD classic.

My two cents, I could be wrong. Garcia has Deal, Bird Song, Loser, To Lay Me Down, Sugaree.. well, perhaps it surpasses Ace, but Ace has PITB which counts for sometihng.

Beard wax

Is there anyone who has red hair or beard? I bought some black beard wax and received red instead. This is a small can of red beardgains pro-hold pristine moustache wax which is unopened. I will send it to you for nothing. My facial hair is getting gray, so I want to use anything to make me look younger. Ha.

My beard is white....

....and I treat it with beard oil, not wax. I would post a linq to the ones I like, however....
Mountaineer Brand Lime & Sage is my current go to.
Because I love limes. And sage. And spirit.
Gotcha!!

Roland Kirk...

Go to U-tube. Punch in Roland Kirk '63 and '67...I dare ya.
Hang for a while.
It's f'n fantastic.

@ wilfredtjones

2/14/86 was my tenth show, so I've been aware of this run ( 2/8-2/14/86). The wonderful fanzine Golden Road created by Blair Jackson and Regan McMahon is one way I've learned about this run of shows and all things dead. First subscribed in 85' and still have all editions. Magazine started in '83, bought all the back issues.

Chicago sounds rough to the maker of verse…..

50 years ago today…..

August 24, 1971
Auditorium Theater, Chicago, Illinois

Set 1: Uncle John's Band-Sugaree-Playing In The Band-Mr. Charlie-Loser-El Paso-It Hurts Me Too-Cumberland Blues-Empty Pages-Beat It On Down The Line-Brown-Eyed Women-Me And My Uncle-Casey Jones

Set 2: St. Stephen>Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away-Sing Me Back Home-Truckin'-Big Railroad Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-Brokedown Palace-Big Boss Man-Sugar Magnolia-Good Lovin’

Deadicated to peakshead, prafter, The Winner, joegs, guit30, rich-raysmarinemoorhead, Lil Brian, SpanishJam, willis550, BigDeadFan, Duece, MiracleMan1982, Morning Sun, TheeAmazingAce333, stopbath, Willysin4wd, and Amy from New York, because memory that yearns to join the centre, a limb remembering the body from which it has been severed, like those bamboo thighs of the god…..

On their only (OK, two show) Midwest stop in the summer of 71, the Dead mix things up nicely. Unusual Uncle John’s show opener, the first versions of Empty Pages and Brown Eyed Women, and the weirdly inverted set two opening sequence of St Stephan/NFA suite followed by several individual songs to close out the set.

In the windy city, the wind blew strange……………..

Rock on!!!

Doc
One comfort we have - Cincinnati sounds worse……..

Ripple. The best version ever recorded

What a great tune, it was great to see the Dead pull it back through the keyhole for the acoustic shows in 1980. I also liked when Garcia & Grisman played it durring their acoustic sets, having Grismans mandolin on there was great. I think the greatest version of Ripple ever, was the version recorded on American Beauty, it has no equal.

REMAINDER OF 2021 RELEASES

DL mentions in the skull & roses seaside chat that in ADDITION to the 4-Dave Picks this year & the Skull & Roses 40th release, there would 3 ADDITIONAL releases. Well, so far we've had the St Louis 1971-1973 Box Set. So what might the other two releases be in addition to Dave Pick #40?????????????

Let's first cover what shows have been released in 2021 & the year of those shows:
3 full shows from 1971 = (Skull & Roses including bonus disc, two full shows from St Louis box)
2 full shows from 1972 = (St Louis box)
3 full shows from 1973 = (Dave Pick #38, St Louis box)
1 full show from 1978 = (Dave Pick #37)
1 full show with filler from 1983 = (Dave Pick #39)

With that said, we can see that 2021 has been VERY heavy on the early 1970s period(certainly not surprising). TPTB have also covered 1978, we all know that the first two picks of each year are typically 1977 & 1974 (facts don't lie). TPTB also did that giant 1976 box last year......so my guess is we are done with the 1970s for 2021(seems logical & fair), except for possibly 1979 as Dave Pick #40. What would the other two releases in addition to Dave Pick #40 possibly be?????? My guesses:

1) Dave Pick #40 = 10/14/80
2) two show multi-track release from 1989 - POSSIBLY the long awaited Alpine Valley '89 shows
3) possibly some sort of release from the Warfield/RCMH 1980 shows (this was allegedly rumored earlier this year in some sort of fashion)
BRING SOME NEWS ALREADY!!! IT's SEPTEMBER ALREADY....where's the hint guy, BoZo????

Wow - Charlie Watts passed away - RIP!

Heard it was an internet rumor earlier in the week but it appears that he passed away today.

RIP Charlie.

Enjoying Dave's 39

I have been enjoying this release. Glad that we got a Shakedown in the Dave's Picks! Highlights for me on this one are all the bigger jams. As others have mentioned, the sound quality is great for the time period. I imagine that was a big factor in choosing this show.

I realized the other day that I had not heard any of the three picks for this year before getting them here. Its been a few years since that happened. Familiar with all the time periods but all new shows to me. I've enjoyed all three!

So far, the release of the year for me is the Paris 72 vinyl. Another show I had not heard before. Completely blown away by that one. Exceptionally good show and recording. Every song could be a definitive version type of show. Nice to digest it one LP at a time. Since I sprung for that one, I'm gonna hang back on the box set and get the two LP release there. Hard to keep up with all the good music here.

Grateful for all the great tunes. Turn it up ;-)

RV3

I am still laughing as I type this, it is Bolo, the hint guy.

But good luck with his hints. Haven't figured out one of his hints yet.

Well Done Charlie Watts

Onward.

RIP Charlie Watts

Time for Mick'n'Keef to become Stones & Co

RIP Charlie Watts

Yes, one of the true greats. The foundation Stone for so many great records and concerts. Another anniversary for me today-having seen them this day 18 years ago at Twickenham. It cost a small fortune, as I bought my ticket off a scalper, but it was worth every penny. Any future concerts Mick and Keith play can only really be considered a tribute to The Rolling Stones. The greatest rhythm and blues band England ever produced.

R.I.P. Charlie Watts

When I saw the Stones in 1994 Charlie started the show on stage alone , and the Stones came out and launched into Not Fade Away.. May the four winds blow you safely home.

Salute, Charlie Watts

Y'all be cool.

Went to a relative's 70th birthday bash

in upstate NY this past week
Party outside
Live bluegrassy-type band
I heard Big River
A little later I Know You Rider
Then a little later BERTHA
Then RIPPLE

Totally unexpected

I liked that

Also talked with a gent who was at Woodstock. He didnt hear the GD because they played at 3 am or something.

NY is _humid_, by the way.

Didn't they release the outtakes from Jerry's first solo LP?

I'm pretty sure I have a copy of a friend's box set in which all Garcia solo studio got the outtake/alt take treatment. That leaves Bobby, as usual, out in the cold. With PitB, Cassidy, Greatest Story and Looks Like Rain, I'd say it's worthy.

RV3 is back and agitating for DaP 40. Okay, based on the data, it's clearly going to be two (2) 1969 shows. Can't wait.

Daverock, Robert Hunter deservedly lamented the lack of a studio record for those E72 gems. One of these days I'll make myself a road disc with the best versions from the E72 tour. Consolation is that each of those songs does have a definitive and magnificant live version to savor.

And, yes, the Stones are finished. Our beloved (the only Stone worthy of love) Charlie has moved on. So like the Stones to end as a band PRIOR to a tour. At least I'll never see 'em again. Caught 'em once in 1981 in Boulder and they killed it for more than two hours. I probably shouldn't have stayed up most of the night snorting blow and boinking my girlfriend before the show, but, hey, we were not lovable back then, just feral and full of it.

Coming up on 30 days til the new box lands. Gonna really take my time to savor these incoming shows.

RV3, 2021 releases

RSD 5-3-72 vinyl
Black Friday RSD

I suspect that those are the other 2 releases.

Edit:
Oh yeah, 3 full 72 shows in the STL Box.

Think I’ll watch the stones tonight

A couple years ago I bought several Stones concert releases on BluRay.

Only saw them once, 1989 Pontiac Silverdome. 2000 Light Years From Home was trippy and the best part of the show to me, because I like it psychedelic. Fortunately, they play pretty much the same setlist every night and I have a pro shot video from a few nights before in Montreal. The last 1/3 of the show is smokin’ hot (comes after 2 or 3 Keith solo songs, he had a new album out, that are a little boring).

But for tonight, I want hi def video and good sound, so going with a bluray,
1972 “Ladies and Gentlemen”.

Rockin the rhein

Does anyone have rockin the rhein to burn to cd? I will pay you for it and shipping too. I will pay pal it. Thanks guys.

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