Grateful Dead

Hey Nappy, on your north rim adventure, did you take the 75-mile dirt road out of Pink Coral State Park, Utah, south past Vulcan's Throne to the campground with the awesome organic toilets?? I've got a great Vulcan's Throne story for you...

Angry One, ah the good old daze, which imprinted more at the time than we could appreciate. And there's nothing like looking back 48 years later to make the old daze seem like the "good old daze," eh? I mean, they definitely were, but it was rugged at the time... the paradox of time...

Vguy, you're KILLING ME!! Dancing to the GD with a shrimp cocktail in your hand.... man, when we were little kids at our first GD shows, we grew wary of the Hum Zone (aka Phil Zone), which was the first 20-30 feet back from the stage where everyone was tripping madly and packed in tight. You show up there with a shrimp cocktail, circa 1972, and you'd a been without shrimp cocktail in seconds! Why they'd a taken the flesh right off your bones!! Yeeehhhiiiii! What a great image, though.

Yeah, that "luxury box" thing is, I think, only for events you don't give a hoot about. If it's a show you want, you go down to the floor and get some. And being barred from smoking, toking, vaping?? Nah, give me KAOS on the floor (with Siegfried) instead!

Oh, and I did enjoy DaP 39, especially West LA Fadeaway, which made me curious to hear a few of the '80s shows from the Rocks, just to hear what I saw... We were impudent young scalliwags back then, old enough to know better but too young to quit.

I gotta stop reading this forum, cuz I keep ordering CDs that I suddenly "need," including Coltrane '65. Will you guys cut it out for, say, 30 days??

That was the whole point of the story.

....duly noted. I agreed.
And I love shrimp cocktails.
Luxury boxes are stagnant and boring imo. Had a box during a hockey game. Was fun for ten minutes, then I got bored and left.
Found a seat in the lower bowl. Much better.
Even if I was rich, which I am not, I would still mingle with the "unfortunate souls".

Absolutely.

A bunch of us husbands have season football tickets just so we can hang out, catch up on old times and drink a few beers. Our seats, by choice, are in the very last row. With the “commoners” as you put it. We have a blast.

Invariably, at every game, one of the attorneys in the group invites us to his firm’s luxury box. No thanks is the universal response. We’re fine right here.

....you don't need to be concerned about some asshole behind you trying to start shit. YouTube sports fans fighting in the stands. Back row is a safe spot.
I'm proud to be a humble knave.

Just got home after a week on a Greek island. There it was 34° (93° F) with endless sunshine whereas here it is 17° (63° F) and grey, overcast and raining. What a shit summer it has been here in north west Europe. It was easy adjusting to lashings of Greek food and litres of ice cold Mythos beer. Now I'm home I'm wondering why I didn't stay there. At least it helped to pass the time while waiting for the box set.

Another great has left us.

The thing I always liked about uphill seats, no security!!!

You could have a damn bong up and smoking and no one was gonna come up to get you. Even if they did you had an unobstructed view of those coming up!!

Always somebody I intended to listen to, but sadly never did. That goes for Jamaican and dub music as a whole really. It was very popular in mid-late 70s England - I can still remember a poster of the cover Peter Tosh's album "Legalize It" in the window of a shop opposite where I lived circa 1977. I've got that, Bob Marley's "Catch a Fire" and a smattering of compilations from Studio 1 - which I think pre-dated reggae slightly.
So much to get into, so little time !

Don't tell it again. Get lost, whoever the (n(^ you are.

addendum 2 hours later...

Thank you for getting rid of that interloper, GD/Marye

...no I didn't take that route...I live on the South Rim so I just drove east out of the park to Cameron...then north to the 89A cutoff, over Navajo Bridge on the Colorado River to Jacob Lake and then south to the rim...Might have to look up the route you're talking about, sounds delightful....I almost took the road to Point Sublime but after a few miles of the road steadily worsening I did a quick U and headed back to paved roads...I had about another 15 miles to go...

for your thoughts and insights on Rhein bonus disc.

Much apprciated!

...just looked it up on google maps...Vulcan's Throne looks awfully close to the Toroweap Overlook which suggests the campground you're talking about is the Tuweep Campground....

Please ignore this little statement. I am simply pointing out something obvious that I can't express elsewhere.

Meanwhile...I really gotta start listening to pre-75 GD again. I am in a deep "GD sounds so bland" rut.

Nappy, sounds about right. Man, we hammered down that dirt road, which was pretty well maintained. I had Bonnie Raitt blasting and did some hoovering of Peruvian marching dust along the way. My buddy was in another vehicle, so as fellow lunatics we raced each other at times, passing in bad places. So, to Vulcan's Throne... we parked just off the road and, immediately, I noticed a large, dessicated rattle from a diamondback sitting on the ground. It's still on my desk, probably ~25 years later. So we proceed to clamber down a do-able outcrop and make our way across a valley to Vulcan's Throne. Ahead of me, my buddy yelps really loudly and I look up to see him catapulting through the air, impressively high off the ground. I was just getting off on the shrooms so I laughed really hard. He looked so funny! When we caught up he pointed out an absurdly large diamondback, fat as your forearm and maybe 6-8 feet long. A sobering sight, but not for long, as the shrooms did their magic. So we climb to the summit of Vulcan's Throne; it's a cinder cone, formerly a volcano (its flows formed Lava Falls on the Colorado River below, sometime in the last 2 million years), so sight lines were good. We're on the summit, peaking, and I said casually, for effect (not believing it myself), "You know, there could be large snakes under any one of these rocks," pointing to a handful of summit rocks maybe 2-3 feet high and 5-6 feet wide. We'd sat on one after reaching the summit. I point my walking stick at the nearest rock and we look underneath: there's another fat diamondback wrapped around the underside, staying warm. We looked at several other rocks: diamondbacks under nearly every single one. We were aghast: we'd just been sitting on one of those rocks. We managed not to panic, but we decided rather swiftly to exit the area, and to do so very carefully. My entire being is now fully programmed for visual identification of diamondbacks. My buddy tried to get conversation going as we hiked back to the car but I told him to stop because I didn't want sound to interfere with my visual scan of the terrain ahead. We encountered a few more rattlers in the valley, but if undisturbed, they're harmless. The key concept here being "if undisturbed." Here in Colorado we have small prairie rattlers (which can still put you in the hospital) and nocturnal faded midget rattlers (diamondbacks only in Las Animas County on the NM border), but the size of your neighbors, Nappy -- truly fat diamondbacks -- definitely intimidated me and I'll never hike the North Rim again without paying FULL attention to every single step. (Good practice anywhere.) We spent 5-6 days out there, truly stupendous country. (The Tuweep toilets were a marvel of Scandanavian design; love me a good outhouse!) Managed to locate some very primitive rock art nearby that suggested they were more than 1,000 years old -- crude symbols with lots of patina.

That's the easy answer as to why cowboys wear cowboy boots, I can say that. And I'll say this: the road trip from Grand Canyon to Grand Junction is one loooong drive. As you probably already know, keep your eyes peeled when you're on foot in northern AZ!

Sometimes I wish there was a consumer protection law that would require that classic rock bands have to include at least 51% of their original members if they’re going to perform under their original name. Kind of like how Taco Bell has to have a certain percentage of its ground beef if they’re going to call it ground beef.

I think KR passed years ago, and we are all being bamboozled by a high-tech hologram.

The Glimmer Twins are still with us....amazing.

Beef: parts is parts.

oh and there's a sign on the Navajo Bridge that says "Do Not Jump From Bridge"....yas yas yas.....

re the Stones we can call them Brenda & Company...

....my thoughts. But homemade tacos can't be beat. Jerry's quote wouldn't work regarding....
"Not everyone loves licorice, but the ones that do really loves licorice."
Everyone loves tacos.....

Believe it or not, but google ShaNaNa law, a suit that was started in NJ where none of the original members of the band performed under that name. Now there must be at least one surviving member in the band of it to call themselves that. Like at Queen. They have only two original members. Sorry I used to work as a booking agent ans that was part of our licensing test.

Got the new email for th download for Playing In Ther Band from the St Louis Box Set but it isn't working...not just me but others too...no problems with the first two that were made available...this kinda stuff is getting really really old fast...

I had the same problem trying to download my FLAC of PITB. I hope TPTB are on this.

While we wait, maybe somebody can explain to me why they don't just make your downloads available as soon as you buy the box set? What's the point of releasing one song, and then waiting a month, and releasing another, and then waiting another month for the next one? Maybe it's kind of like kindergarten, where sometimes they just want you to practice waiting for things?

Glad to hear about the Sha Na Na law law law, but we would have to agree that's a pretty sad standard: you only need one of the original 12 members? What's that, a mere 8%? I expect more beef in the burrito.

It's good to have a house
It's good to have food
It's good to have intellect
It's good to have a job
It's good to work in a school
It's good to have the GD
It's good to have this little outpost of the internet
It's good to have Listen To The River arriving soon
It's good to have health

"rejoice, rejoice, we have no choice but to carry on"

I Love Tacos.
So much.

Sixtus

How about the one on the way to Taos High Bridge:

"Do Not Throw Litter"

Of course, it's perfectly okay to carefully place toxic waste on the ground, just don't THROW it?

Or my fav from Alaska: "At Your Own Risk Road." We did not go down that one.

The saddest part will be when the whole band is gone, is it just tributes then? ESP since we are now at a point where the first rock and rollers are going faster and more often. Copeland just died and how Mick and Keith outlasted him is beyond me. Jagger just had a hip replacement and his youngest SON just turned 4. He is also a greatgrand father!!!

A contribution to best sign,
Reported in UK Guardian many years ago.
Sign in an otherwise empty field reading ' do not throw stones at this sign'.

Sotheby's is auctioning off some of the wall of sound, including a McIntosh amplifier with a rolling parts box. The other items include owlsleys LSD original chemistry set given to 'ramrod' before bear went to the kink. The chem set is estimated to go for $10.000-15,000. Let's start a collection for that chemistry set, guys.

King Crimson have only had one original member playing on stage with them since they split up at the end of 1969. Lyricist and sound mixer Peter Sinfield stayed on board up until 1972.
Hawkwind have only had one original member with them since 1976, and Gong have literally none, although they had the blessing from founder Daevid Allen before he slipped this mortal coil.
All three bands still performing live under their original name.

:Dogon, that's a classic example of a sign that will invite stones to be thrown.

Out here in the American West, it's practically any sign that is riddled with bullet holes, large and small. Except, thankfully, on the Interstate.

One sign that is fairly ubiquitous is: "Speed monitored by aircraft"! Yeah, right! Maybe that was true for like 15 minutes 40 years ago, when the cops "realized" that that was not cost effective, now they're just a punchline.

O-kay, t-minus 29 days and counting... yes, I know I'm on the wrong thread. Story of my life..............

My sense is that that dude gets a lot of action even to this day. Fewer random chillun with a V.

A son 4 years old? Shazam.

Thanks to D. for hooking me up with the RTR show. What a show.

Reminds me of the school of thought that suggests that legislating against something often makes the thing being legislated against more attractive than it would otherwise have been.

Dogon - I think you referred to Help Yourself as being a bit like Quicksilver in a recent post, and I have just noticed that a new box set by them has been released of their complete studio recordings. I have never heard them, myself, but they sound worth checking out. If that makes sense.

A fine, fine band. Certainly worth anyone's time and effort to check out their music. The new 6 CD box set anthology has to be considered essential.

I saw that there is a vinyl box set that is or has been released that will include Wake of the Flood, From the Mars Hotel, Blues for Allah and Steal Your Face in a slip case. It's called Box of Dead Gems.

Good enough for me. Maybe not today, but definitley before the night draws in.

Ok Simon, you talked me into Help Yourself box set. (hey it was a great price for a 6 cd set)

that I was in a record store and found some GD bootlegs (true bootlegs) with weird nonsense song titles. I think they were from 76.

On the drive to work I checked to see if my "no GD right now" rut was still in place. First two tracks of 11/30/79 rocked nicely. So, hopefully that rut is over.

Ordered a while back, but Richard Thompson's Mirror Blue, in limited CLEAR vinyl came in today.

The clear is really cool!!!

Forgot they were limited to 1200!

Anyone else get this one?

The highs are really high, and the rest is good stuff for an end of tour show in the bustling metropolis of Binghamton on November 6, 1977. I particularly enjoyed the St Stephen> Not Fade Away> Wharf Rat> St Stephen Truckin' segment much more this time 'round. The ending of the Truckin' is really strong, and they really nail the ending, and I swear for a moment in the ending, it sounded like Jerry wanted to reprise St Stephen, perhaps forgetting they had already done that after Wharf Rat, which admittedly had rocky lyrical moments. Jerry was also forgetful on Scarlet Begonias, but that's only part of why I've never connected with this Scarlet> Fire, and still didn't this time. Dire Wolf was also an excellent choice in the 1st set, and somewhere I thought I heard Jerry teasing the Dire Wolf lick, maybe Truckin'. Clearly from the tape, they were having fun in the last shows for almost 2 months.

Dave's 26 (11/17/71 & 12/14/71) came up next and I went with it to prepare to Listen to the River in a month's time. Remarkable how different, yet also the same, Truckin' was in those intervening 6 years. And they had to restart Sugaree, and Jerry begs the crowd's forgiveness seeing as "We're new around here", alluding to their New Mexico debut. I listen to The Other One from this show every few months and usually the absolutely incredible Not Fade Away> GDTRFB> NFA. Billy's intro on the drums is just exquisite. First time in New Mexico and they destroy it where Buddy Holly recorded it and Dan Petty gave himself a co-writing credit for producing.

10/18/72 is coming...

My last listen was Dicks 31-the compilation of tracks from 8/4/74-8/6/74. Incredible sky high jams that seem to leave the songs they grow out of behind.
Earlier in the day I finished off 6/9/77, which is also great - very bright and breezy. Skims across the surface a bit compared to the 74 shows. The Help-Slipknot-Franklins is the centre piece of this one for me.

Has always been a favorite of mine, as well, Dave. The only flaw being the shows are incomplete. But we definitely get the meat. Arby's has nothing on that Playin - Scarlet - Playing on CD 4. (As a brit, DaveRock, you likely don't get that joke, unless Arby's has made it's way across the pond. And if so, on behalf of all Americans, I'm truly sorry.)

David Crosby is releasing IICORMN which will include outtakes from the session. Do believe Jerry was involved big time with this release and some new unreleased gems will be included in this 2 cd set. The second cd will be all out takes and demos and some new unheard tunes. Always loved this lp and I need to add it to the list of cd's to pick up when it is released in Oct.
Would love some 1970 for Dave's 40.

Ha.. we have a lot to be sorry about. Too funny.

Thanks for the heads up on IICRMN, USam. I will be sure to pick that up.

as regards Owlsleys LSD original chemistry set...I wonder how much they'd charge to just lick it?

Just finished listening to this again. I must say, I liked it much better the second time around.
That is all.
Have a wonderful Saturday!!

Lebowski99 - no, I'm afraid I don't get it. But I can tell by the tone of your post that there is nothing to apologose for!

Sam - yes, that's a classic album by David Crosby - one more reissue to look out for.

....until my first concert since Iron Maiden in September 2019.
Billy Strings in on tap.
Such a long long time to be gone, but a short time to be there.

It’s amazing to me how fantastic some of these releases sound after putting them on the shelf FOR YEARS!! We used to discuss having time to go back and listen to the “oldies”, but I certainly haven’t spent much time doing that lately.
The Dark Star>Sitting’ ’ On Top>Dark Star is a gem to me, given it’s mere 17 minute length. The places the boys go in that first 14 minute section are time travel to me. On to Dave’s Vol.5!!
I do wish all a safe and healthy Labor Day weekend.
Music is the Best!!