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    We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street."  And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

    *2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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  • #721
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    What’s the scoop?
    Is the HDCD logo on the releases just false advertising?

    Have you considered doing a few releases of awesome sounding Plangentized reels as BluRay Audio, 24/192?
    Led Zeppelin did that with the Song Remains The Same soundtrack.

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    Wow! First time I've heard this. I love it. Kind of Loose Lucy sounding. Will have to pay more attention to the lyrics but at first listen was most impressed with Jerry's chording like Chuck Berry. A special treat in a show where Jerry is hitting an amazing number of notes. Arpeggio maximus. How did he just keep getting faster even as his health was declining?
    Cheers all!

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    Sorry that was so long

    I would have just posted the lynk if I could.

    It came from a site called audio asylum.

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    Thanks for the info

    Arthur,
    What you posted appears to be from VLC. If you used VLC to convert a 16 bit CD to 24 bit FLAC you just put 16 bits into a 24 bit container. That’s not the equivalent of playing a 720p DVD in a BluRay player that upconverts to 1080p.
    If you used actual software that decodes HDCD please tell us what software that is.

    Ziffle,
    What you said is in line with what I’ve read online.

    Simon,
    I thought you had a CD player that let you toggle between CD and HDCD.

    Since I can’t post a lynk, here’s the text.

    Huge misconception regarding HDCD
    Posted by Charles Hansen (M) on June 12, 2017 at 23:26:28
    In Reply to: RE: MQA vs HDCD posted by Jeff Starr on June 9, 2017 at 02:03:01:

    >> HDCD was a way to get 20 bit sound out of a redbook CD. <<
    That is what Pacific Microsonics (PM) *claimed* for HDCD. The truth is that was simply marketing hyperbole. PM built an A/D converter designed by Keith Johnson, called the Model One. The later Model Two was similar but added support for both dual- and quad-sampling rates. There were three unique features of the PM A/D converters that comprised the HDCD system:

    1) Peak Extend (PE) - was a compansion algorithm that compressed the top 9dB of audio signal during recording into the top 3dB of digital codes on the disc. When played back through an HDCD-enabled DAC or CD player, a "sub-code" that replaced some of the audio signal in the 16th bit (LSB) would instruct the DAC to expand the compressed signal and restore the full dynamic range.

    2) Low-Level Extension (LLE) - was a method to automatically boost the gain as the audio signal dropped, starting when the signal level fell to -45dBFS. It was boosted in 0.5dB steps as the level fell, reaching a maximum gain shift of 4dB if the signal ever fell another -18dB to -63dBFS. Again when played back through an HDCD-equipped DAC or CD player, the instructions mixed in the LSB of the audio signal would instruct the DAC to lower the gain (and background noise) by the appropriate amount.

    3) Transient Filter (TF) - was a method whereby the A/D converter measured the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave. When it passed a certain threshold, the HDCD system would select from one of two available anti-aliasing filters (ie, "digital filters"). The original plan was apparently to have a complementary process during playback, but this never materialized. My best guess is that this was because Ed Meitner (then of Museatex) had beaten PM to the punch and already patented a DAC that switched reconstruction filters (ie, "digital filters) during playback, again by sensing the amount of high-frequency energy in the top octave.

    The problem is that the claimed 20 bits of resolution is a horribly distorted representation of the truth.. It was one of the greatest marketing misrepresentations in the history of high-end audio. In actuality, both PE and LLE could be *optionally* applied by the mastering engineer, and the instruction manual warned that there were specific reasons for not doing so on certain types of music. Also there never was any way to decode for the TF feature (which was always engaged). However every single CD made with a PM A/D converter would light up the mandatory "HDCD" logo light on a licensed DAC - even when there was no decoding of the disc even possible - apparently in an attempt to scare people into purchasing a new CD player or DAC that had HDCD decoding (and from which PM received royalty payments).

    The truth is that PE (*if* engaged by the mastering engineer) could only ever provide a maximum dynamic range increase of 6dB - and even then only if the recorded signal reached 0dBFS. In the very extreme case, this only adds 1 bit of resolution, to 17 bits.

    The truth about LLE is even more underwhelming. *If* the mastering engineer chose to engage it, it only became active when the audio signal dropped below -45dBFS. I have analyzed scores of HDCD discs using the tools available in Foobar. For popular music LLE was *only* ever engaged during song fadeouts. It turns out that -45dBFS is an extremely low level, nearly 8 bits below the maximum. Even with classical music recorded using LLE, the gain-shifting only activates infrequently - specifically during very quiet passages when only 1 or 2 instruments are playing. I have never seen an HDCD track ever use the full 4dB range of level shifting, as the signal level would have to fall to -63dBFS, nearly 11 bits below the maximum. The *theoretical* maximum gain shift of 4dB amounts to about another 0.6 bits of dynamic range.

    If *both* features were engaged by the mastering engineer, and everything completely optimized in an extremely unlikely real-world scenario, the most that HDCD could boost the dynamic range would be 1.6 bits to 17.6 bits. In more realistic situations, engaging both features would increase the effective bit depth between 0 and roughly 1.2 bits with classical music, and between 0 and roughly 0.9 bits with popular music.

    At this date we have all had chances to hear the differences between 44/16 files and 44/24 files. The most common example was the 2009 remaster of The Beatles box set. The CDs were dithered down to 16 bits, while the "green apple" thumb drive contained the original 44/24 files (reduced from the 192/24 tape transfers made with Prism A/D converters). Yes there is a difference in sound, but it is hardly "jaw-dropping" or "transformational". So if adding 8 true bits of resolution only improves the sound slightly, one wonders how much improvement would be heard with only 1 extra bit of resolution - *if* the HDCD features were even engaged by the mastering engineer.

    So where did PM come up with the "20 bits of resolution" claim? Simple - they added the extra bits as the A/D converter also had optional dither algorithms. This is where it gets weird. Prior to the PM converters, by far the most common alternative was the Sony PCM-1610. While it did not have any dither built into that converter, the incoming audio signal was always dithered anyway - by the tape hiss present on the analog tape that was being transferred to digital. There is no tape recorder on the planet that has an unweighted S/N ratio greater than 96dB, which is what would be required to create the need for external dither to be added.

    The next question is why was HDCD so enthusiastically received by the audio press and many mastering studios? Again the answer is quite simple - it sounded far better than the competing Sony unit. *Not* because of the HDCD features but simply because it was designed to a far higher "audiophile" standard by Keith Johnson, an extremely talented designer.

    The A/D converter is simply one box in the chain between the recording microphone and the playback speaker. We have all heard the difference made by replacing (say) a cheap preamplifier made with very old, low cost op-amps, electrolytic coupling capacitors, and low quality parts throughout with a mega-buck preamplifier made by one of the top designers on the planet using fully discrete circuitry, state-of-the art parts throughout, and designed for the absolute maximum performance.

    A change like this can completely transform the sound of a home stereo system. And a similar change to the A/D converter can completely transform the sound quality of a CD.

    That is the real story of HDCD - a superior sounding product that was sold through deliberately misleading marketing strategies and false comparison setups. For example at the 1997 CES, PM gave out free CDs with "comparison" tracks purporting to show the differences made by HDCD processing. The natural assumption was that the tracks were made with the same converter and simply engaging and disengaging the HDCD processing. But no, instead PM made three tracks with the PM A/D converter and three "comparison" tracks with a Sony PCM-1610 converter.

    In addition HDCD was dreamed up to be a money-making machine. The converters were sold to the studios for $20,000 each (I'm unsure if there were licensing costs there.) On the playback side each manufacturer had to pay a $5,000 licensing fee up front (later raised to $10,000), plus purchase a special decoding IC from PM. The IC was priced artificially high so as to constitute an easy-to-track royalty payment for each player sold.

    It fooled a lot of people for a long time. There were two separate events that led to the demise of HDCD. The first was that only a couple of years after HDCD was available to the public, both DVD-Audio and SACD offered true high-resolution formats, obviating the need to "hop up" the out-of-date Redbook CD format (by only a single bit of actual resolution). The second was that PM had paid roughly $500,000 to develop their custom decoding IC chip. It was made on a 600 micron process. (By comparison we are now down to the 12 to 16 micron range with semiconductor processes.) By 2002 or so that technology was so out of date that the fabrication house was dismantling the line and halted production. It would have cost another $500,000 to make a new version. There was an aborted attempt to fabricate it as a pre-programmed Motorola (?) DSP chip, but apparently there was only one sample batch ever made before PM sold the entire thing to Microsoft, where it died off fairly quickly.

    The only positive note to the whole story is that there are still a good number of mastering houses that still use the PM A/D converters. Even though the Model Two is over 15 years old, there are only a handful of other brands that can compete with it sonically. It is still one of the best sounding A/D converters ever made, just as the Marantz 9 was one of the best sounding power amplifiers ever made. Good sound never goes out of fashion.

    As far as any similarities between the 20-year old story of HDCD and the current story of MQA, I will leave that up to the reader to judge.

    As always, strictly my own opinions and not necessarily those of my employer or guru.

    EDIT: The above post was dashed off quickly and likely contains some minor errors. For example the units used in the discussion of semiconductor fabrication should have been "nanometers" and not "microns". Nevertheless I believe the overall arch is historically accurate. Corrections are highly welcomed.

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    Saw Ornette at Town Hall in NYC when he was doing the Song X tour with Methany.

    Didn't understand one bit of it!!!

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    I dont think you will be disapointed when it arrives.
    There is a rumour that a Lee Morgan 60s set is in the works, unfortunately you have missed the Hank Mobley 60s set, but keep your eyes open, it might turn up used, if it does, pounce!
    Also in Japan a whole slew of Lee Morgan reissues are being released in conjunction with the Live at the Lighthouse box.
    CD Japan is your friend, and if you were to order from them you will be surprised, after dealing with all the highs and lows of dealing with Deadnet, of the smoothness and efficiency of the transaction!
    I always pay for shipment via DHL, a bit more expensive, but 2, max 3 days delivery from Tokyo to my door in Sweden.

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    Artist Grateful Dead
    Title Let It Grow
    Album 1983-04-26 - Dave's Picks Vol. 39 - The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA
    Track 10/10
    Disc 1/3
    Genre Rock
    Year 1983
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    Length 12 minutes 31 seconds
    Channels 2 (stereo)
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    Contains CRC, ID Tag [Vorbis Comments]
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    File 10 Grateful Dead - Let It Grow
    Type FLAC Audio File (VLC) [.flac]

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    Only the guy who isn't rowing has time to rock the boat………….

    50 years ago today……

    August 7, 1971
    Golden Hall, San Diego, California

    Set 1: Big Railroad Blues-El Paso-Mr. Charlie-Sugaree-Mama Tried-Bertha-Big Boss Man- Promised Land-Hard to Handle-Cumberland Blues Casey Jones

    Set 2: Truckin'-China Cat Sunflower-I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Sugar-Magnolia-Sing Me Back Home-Me & My Uncle-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down the Road Feelin' Bad>jam>Johnny B. Goode

    Deadicated to Seth Hollander, Oxford 88, Mr_Heartbreak, gcdeadhead, Shafts Of Lavender, Gratefulpeds, Gbow22, frampton, jpdonn1, chilly1214, and deadyettipa, because nothing fixes a thing so intensely in the memory as the wish to forget it…..

    Released as part of Dick’s Picks 35 in 2005, one of the so-called “houseboat tapes”, somewhat of a revelation at the time, as not all summer 71 shows circulated. Not the greatest show but I will always take whatever 71 is officially released!!

    There’s not a “big jam”---although there is an interesting but short jam between GDTRFB and Johnny B Goode---but it’s OK. What I call “the three R’s of live Dead”----rockin’, rowdy, and raucous!! Needless to say, worth a listen!!!

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    We are imprisoned in the realm of life, like a sailor on his tiny boat, on an infinite ocean……

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    HDCD...

    I have no idea if HDCD encoded discs sound better. I only have one CD player and that has no possibility to turn the HDCD on or off, so making a comparison is not possible. My player, like most, has the DAC built in. A comparison using my player and another with a different DAC and no HDCD would reveal the differences between the DACs as well as any differences with HDCD on or off, making such a comparison pointless. I can only read discussions on this by others, such as Ziffle, who are (or at least claim to be) better informed than me on the subject. I don't lose sleep over this as there is nothing I can do about it- I just put CDs in the player, hit 'Play' and the magic begins.

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    Wharf - I believe you are referring to the 8/8/82 Alpine Valley show. The whole show is awesome stuff.

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street."  And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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Submitted by billy the kidd on Sat, 09/11/2021 - 11:46

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Well , well , well, 40 years ago today I was at the Greek Theatre to see the good ole Grateful Dead, this was my favorite show of all the Greek shows, this 1981 run was my favorite run of all the Dead Greek runs. Cousins, you're right these 3 shows would make an excellent box set. Time to get the steaks on the bbq and crack another beer. Muddy Waters is playing Louisiana Blues and another killer day here in the Bay Area.

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Sat, 09/11/2021 - 21:54

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You know how I know Ron Wood is fuxing great? Because he’s been in so many great bands. Ever listen to the Creation, his early, mod-era band? Fuxing great. And of course you’ve heard the Jeff Beck Group albums, with Rod on box? Fuxing great, too, right? And then there’s the Faces, no need to say more about their fuxing greatness. And then the Stones, who experienced a renaissance with the arrival of (huh huh) Wood and made their last great records with him.

Ronnie joined the Stones at a time when nobody in that band like anybody in that band. They weren’t speaking to each other, let alone jamming together, but Ronnie was a guy that everybody liked, everybody got along with, and he got them talking to each other, and jamming, again. He was a perfect match for Keef, and unlike some I could mention (**cough**Mick Taylor**cough cough) he didn’t care who got credit.

Also, the Man did Shred. For anyone seeking confirmation, I would like to refer you to his solo on ‘Gimme Shelter’ on the “L.A. Friday” release, which is on Youtube. I was at that show, and my face hasn’t unmelted yet.

I would also argue that, by jeebus, his solo albums are better than any other Stones’s.

I will say without apology that you can’t pretend to love rock and roll without loving the Stones. But I will also say that by all indications, Mick and Keef stopped giving a shit decades ago, as evidenced by their inability to produce anything resembling a great new Rolling Stones song since at least 1989 and “Mixed Emotions.” That’s over 30 years ago, kids. And their perpetual oldies tours have just gotten embarrassing. Swear to Bog, you could probably prop up a scarecrow, put a burning fag in the kisser, and tell people that was Keef Richards, and they’d give you $200 ticket.

OK, I’m pretty hard on the post-‘80s Stones. It’s only because they were so fuxing great back in the early ‘70s when I basically lived to Rock, and I loved ‘em so much back then, and now for almost 40 years they’ve been a Dad Rock punchline. They’ve kind of disgraced their legacy, IMO. But you can’t blame Ronnie. At least they let him in the band pictures, unlike the bass player who’s been with them for 30+ years now, longer than Brian Jones walked the Earth.

Wood. Huh huh. Huh huh huh huh huh. ````````` (SHUT UP AND PASS THE BOLE, DUDE.)

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 04:17

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Brian Jones was prince of cats in the 60s.
Ron Wood was also in a pretty cool band in the 60s called The Birds. Check out "I'm Leaving Here" later covered by Motorhead.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 10:19

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Yeah, HF I thought that title sounded a bit fawning. But if you want the real story, go to an authoritative source. And technically I was at 7-7-78 but was hanging out in the parking lot trying to avoid security without a ticket. Got there maybe halfway through the first set after working in Ft. Collins and tried to find my friends' cars so I could catch them after the show. After hanging (hiding) out in the upper lot and hearing a fair amount of the show I got chased back to the lower lots where I did find their cars. Turns out I was needed as a designated driver as some within the group were feuding about something or other after the show so I'm glad I went. Then had the real ticket for 7-8-78 and have never been the same since. Literally. Can't say it was a "bad" trip, as I've never really had one, but I did some weird things afterward. Sort of had the fugue state going for a couple of weeks after that one. I always blamed it on having tripped while still getting over being sick with the flu. But, as usually happens, a not so good thing can lead to better things and I got the wild idea to move over to the Western Slope. Best thing I ever did! And I got to see what for me is the Holy Grail of my limited eleven shows attended. It has been a real pleasure getting to compare what came before and after my first show here on this site with so many knowledgeable people. I should also credit David Gans show when I discovered it shortly after he started The Grateful Dead Hour. Helps me realize how special my user name is to me. Every time I listen to that show now I can appreciate what a ripper it was in the context of the day and what was to come later. (despite Bob learning slide on our time) So keep it coming HF!
Cheers and Latvala!

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Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 18:09

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Liked "despite Bob learning slide on our time" The gift that keeps on giving...

Love the good vibe posts, keep em coming.

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Submitted by billy the kidd on Sun, 09/12/2021 - 22:01

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40 years ago today, another great show at the Greek Theatre, . The Dead kicked it off with a killer version of Shakedown Street. Hopefully, these tapes are in the vault and will be released one day.

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Submitted by wilfredtjones on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 04:19

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One of them shows where they played not only China>Rider, but Scarlet>Fire AND Estimated>Eyes. DaP 20 is another. Can anyone come up with YET another? Sorry, don't have my DeadBase handy...

So glad you made it, billy the kidd. You're right, it doesn't look like a board tape has seen the light of day. Here's hoping it will some fine day... :-)

Have a Grateful Week, everybody! :-)

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 11:15

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If you'd had the purple dragon blotter, you'd have been fine. Hope you got the box with these two shows or the tapes, both nights were scorchers. I especially appreciated the Jack Straw opener and Jer's Candyman -- first night, I think.

That is all. Off to the Green River for a couple days of paddling. Irony: air quality, for once in weeks/months, looks good, though Moffat County has the highest covid infection rate in Colorado. I'll stop once for automated gas and hit the camp chair with a guitar and a beer ASAP tomorrow night, then 15 miles down the cool Green, which is running 1615 cfs -- low but good enough for this house-bound zombie Red Rocks evangelical.

Don't even get me started on the Allman Brothers, Bonnie Raitt, Bob Dylan, Santana shows I caught there as well, starting 47 years ago..........

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Submitted by Deadheadbrewer on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 11:39

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Yes, someone did say, "Motorhead". It was this fire/knife juggler guy in the Danger Committee, whom I saw Labor Day at the MN Renaissance Festival! During their crazy-good (and just crazy) show, wherein they tossed all kinds of heavy/dangerous/flaming objects to/over/around each other, as part of their banter the main guy mentioned Motorhead, at which point another guy in the group made a joke about how obscure the main guy's references were. I DID imagine that you would have liked to have been there to hear that!

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Submitted by bigbrownie on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 12:15

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I just read a very timely article in something called the bold italic by a cat named Steve Kettman. He was a grad student at Cal and these were his first shows. He had contacted Rex Jackson at some point to recollect on the shows, and Rex said "One thing that is interesting about it is there are no soundboard tapes of it". Sorry, but I can't post the Lancelot Linc.

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 09/13/2021 - 14:05

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Glad you liked that memory. Woke up today thinking I had shared too much. You reminded me that I'm among kindred spirits here. I think it was the orange sunshine microdot, or maybe the purple dot. Everyone else who had it did not end up streaking the neighborhood for fun at midnight a few days later. The roommates had some 'splainin to do when the cops showed up after I was already asleep. Their loss I guess.
Ah yes, the '90 Allman Bros. at The Rocks was my first ABB since the 1974 Mile High Feyline Sun Day #1(6 bands? OK there was ABB, Marshall Tucker, Steve Miller, Elvin Bishop, and Wet Willie. Only 5 if I haven't forgotten anyone). Pretty sure the '90 RRocks ABB was my first time seeing Warren Haynes and he slayed it. I was sure they had reincarnated Duane. Maybe a Bonnie Raitt around then too. And Tom Waits. Bonnie brought her new hubby on stage for a bow and it turns out she married Noonan from Caddy Shack! Really! The other standouts are the mid-70's Eagles and CTI (record label) Jazz All-Stars shows. I don't have the quantity but loved every show, hence the never saw a RRocks show I didn't like disclosure.
Have fun on the Green R. HF! Sounds perfect. (not CCR's Green River I guess)
Cheers all!
Edit: Looked up the Feyline shows and they were all called Sun Day #something and by year. So I think that mine was June 23, 1974 but the list on a blog site was iffy and hampered by faded memories of both Barry Fey and his ticket buyers. If there was a 6th band it may have been the J. Giles Band. Warm Coors and not enough porta-potties. May explain why I still can't stand Coors!

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Submitted by unkle sam on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 03:10

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slobber and drool, the red dragons were also very good, along with the gold dolphins and the purple unicorns. Those were the days.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 06:05

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Box set coming soon to a doorstep near you.....

Was just listening to Road Trips Autumn '71 / Austin 11/15. Jerry nice and loud. Good PITB for not having the extended jam.

.. Any You knew you could trip then
You were young and liked girls, not men.
Mister we could use some acid like
Orange Sunshine again....

Next verse someone else....

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Submitted by Mr. Ones on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 08:15

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Didn't need subscription rate
everybody ordered late
Gee my burner's working great
These are the days!!

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Submitted by proudfoot on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 15:12

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having a good belly laugh

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 09/14/2021 - 19:54

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People seemed to be getting bent
Five dollars a balloon was heaven scent
Freaks Were In the Shakedown Tent
Those were the days...

Good fun guys.. that came out of nowhere.

Edit: By balloon.. Nitrous, not H Balloon. Happy go lucky, not dark and gloomy...

I had a choice between a colonoscopy or seeing D & C tonight.........I went with the colonoscopy. But at the first sound of "What's Become of the Baby", "You Don't Have to Ask", "Cream Puff War", or any song that has not been in their rotation for the past 5 years, I will jump off the couch and head to Deer Creek, a/k/a Ruoff.

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Submitted by LedDed on Wed, 09/15/2021 - 17:54

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Stoked to see D&C added two Red Rocks dates next month. SO glad I held back on going to Fiddler's (it blows in every way) and I'll bet there are mixed feelings among those who plunked down major coin for that debacle only to have Red Rocks appear at the last minute like the miracle it is.

To each his own about D&C, I shall not debate anyone here. It is what it is, and what it isn't, it isn't.

First 5 post-pandemic shows:

Guns N' Roses
Eagles
Van Morrison
Dead & Co.
Ween

Jerry Cantrell lined up for 2022.

\m/

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 09/15/2021 - 20:45

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Ha.. great add Proudfoot. I had to edit my last post and replace Herbert Hoover with Owlsey Stanley. I could not let the old title stay..

Too funny, great add, I had to use it.

As for D&C, I think Led said it best. I will add.. it would be a lesser world if new GD music ceased after Jerry's passing. I am glad the torch gets passed. Believe it if you need it.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 02:52

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In a way, archival releases, and records I never heard at the time of their release, feel like new music to me when I hear them now. I have no nostalgic feelings whatsoever about this new 1971-1973 box. I barely knew who The Dead were then. So to me, this will be as fresh and relevant when I first hear it as if it had been recorded yesterday. Not coming to England, D&C barely register with me. I don't feel tempted to buy one of their live cds though. If there are any.

I also noticed that there are moves to make possession of nitrous oxide illegal here in Blighty. Not that I have ever had any. I think the only way of accessing that in the 70s was if you had a tooth out.

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Submitted by simonrob on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 05:44

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Here in the Netherlands more and more cities are banning the use of nitrous oxide. It's use is totally out of control here. If you drive down a motorway, chances are you will see drivers with balloons hanging out of their mouths. After quite a few traffic accidents, the police have found balloons or tanks in the crashed cars. There are shops where you can buy as much as you want or need and tanks can be delivered to your door if that is what you want. It's use has been lynked to a number of spinal cord injuries in some heavy users, though how the injuries are related to nitrous use is not clear to me.
Personally I have no experience of the stuff. Way back when I was very young and the dentist administered an anaesthetic, I always chose the cocaine injection instead of the nitrous gas. That was back in the good old days before the real thing was replaced by Novocaine, it's synthetic equivalent which merely blocked the pain without delivering the pleasure.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 05:55

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Jeff Spicoli says "People on Nitrous should not drive..."

I think there's a few posters here that have first hand experience on why driving and nitrous should never mix.

I don't believe you can legally buy tanks here in the US.. but you can get those little whipped cream cartridges. Then again.. you can still find tanks at dead shows (I think) so someone is able to buy them. We used to call them the Nitrous Mafia back in the day.. it's not clear how some people were able to buy copious volumes of tanks and they didn't look too much like dentists. I always wondered if there was an organized crime element.. where you found tanks you found people with fists full of cash and they seemed to have more questionable business practices than the grilled cheese around the corner.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 07:36

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rufkm

my minimal experience with N2O taught me to...not drive with N2O going on. and pretty much to avoid N2O.

YIKES.

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Submitted by daverock on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 10:52

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It seems to me to be the height of stupidity to drive under the influence of any mind altering substance, not just nitrous oxide.
I'm amazed it is so popular in the Netherlands - maybe it is here and I just don't know about it. I associate it with people in their mid teens for some reason - like solvents were in the 70s and 80s.

Typical reaction to ban a substance that's perceived as problematic, though. You would have thought history and current affairs would have demonstrated that this hardly ever works.

Also typical of the Brits to substitute cocaine with a substance that relieves pain but offers no pleasure. Good God, you can't have people enjoying themselves!

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Submitted by itsburnsy on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 11:16

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I was at a nitros party once and this couple I vaguely knew left with several balloons for their drive home. 10 minutes later they were back, huffing balloons. Turns out, they were doing those balloons on the drive, went off the road, wrecked the car, and decided to go back for more. That cracked me up, but a little sad as well.

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Submitted by Oroborous on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 13:32

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Guilty as charged, no cure for young and dumb cept hopefully age...
Not to justify, but I was “experienced” at much of these things by then.
We were in FLA for the fall 88 shows. My buddy was there in his terrapin turtle van with his three tanks of medi-pure...
Can’t remeber the details, another serendipitous GD story, but once he acquired the tanks through automotive or mechanical means or such, he stumbled into access that some how having the proper HW and? Luck, BS? Can’t recall, probably didn’t want to know lol, but next thing ya know he’s way dialed in.
Same with Oxford and much of 88...
But in Miami, we’d had been given a HUGE Lincoln Town car by the rental agency since they didn’t have what we rented...long fun story there, hell that whole trip to Miami was interesting...
So big beautiful car,
It was a HUGE five lane highway with zero traffic...
Cousin Pumice was right there in case his assistance was needed...
Scorching Bucket blasting on the big stereo...
Ballon was intended for back at the pool, but it was a perfect FLA late afternoon and, well, it happened....
Not too much, Just a touch of the mojo hand...
Fortunately, only consequence was after a very brief moment I was over a lane and Pumice, not a man of many words or expressions, thus the name, just calmly said “don’t ever do that again” which from him meant something, and so, no, “that’ll never happen no more”....
My only defense is reading Fear and Loathing too much...buy the ticket...
at least that’s my excuse and I’m stickin’ to it!
And though it was interesting, and I cannot caution all, still might warn a few....

Edit: another thing that we got into some what briefly but beyond a superficial level, and another thing that I didn’t court long as I felt like “this is not good for my body”...same with x, and even acid among others...
Never felt that way about fungus or erb. Keep it organic kids!

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Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 16:20

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Nitrous (non-medical grade) is used in drag race cars, so there are small portable tanks (fit in a duffle bag) that can be mounted in vehicles to give a rocket boost when needed.
Sulfur is supposed to be added to make the gas stinky so that people won’t inhale it.
But, some places didn’t have sulfur in their nitrous….

For an even smaller portable tank, think Blue Velvet (the movie).

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Submitted by hendrixfreak on Thu, 09/16/2021 - 20:43

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all hell breaks loose over here!

Ah, the nitrous, we absorbed using whippets -- single cartridges.

And no, you shouldn't be doing anything but drooling in your lawn chair after a hit. Can we all agree on THAT??

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Fri, 09/17/2021 - 05:19

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Impossible - my balloons were always spent by the time I got to the car.

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Submitted by nappyrags on Fri, 09/17/2021 - 13:57

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Ha!!!...Driving home from the Hollywood Bowl on two hits of Sunshine was a blast....

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Submitted by Crow Told Me on Fri, 09/17/2021 - 16:01

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and I was kind of scared of it, tell ya the truth. I think somebody told me that the way it "works" is that it cuts off the oxygen supply to brain. Which sounded maybe Not Good? So it wasn't my thing, and I never drove on it, which is kind of remarkable, considering how we all used to drive on Whatever.

I am reminded of a comment made to me by an ex girlfriends dad, back in the beginning of time. Words to the effect that if young men don't kill themselves or someone else by the time they are 21, they've got it made.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 09/18/2021 - 07:27

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And yes Crow I remember the term "hippie crack". Apt.

First time a friend and I were in Vancouver BC. Some guys liked our GD shirts. We hanged out and they produced little silver containers. I inhaled and went into a headcave. "Thats all for me, thanks."

Then Eugene in 94. Got into a tourbus and inhaled. Stella Blue sounded so beautiful...then I came back and stayed with other "goodies" from then on.

Driving? HOW?

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Sat, 09/18/2021 - 10:42

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Never heard of Flashback World Productions who produced and published this 2-CD of 6-29-76 Chicago Aud. Theatre. Looks like an unauthorized publication (read bootleg). Found on FleaBay and they are asking an outrageous $77.77 + shipping. Haven't done my research. Hasn't this show been released elsewhere? Probably someone's poor attempt at stealing a show off the radio or the like. Any clues? Why would they think they can ask this much?
Cheers to the weekend!
Edit: Yes, a radio broadcast on WXRT. And it has the final Mission in the Rain according to Deadbase-X. Thank you Colin!
Edit 2: Saw that Euro (LUX.) copy on Fleabay for $129.95!!! Another through Discogs for 10 (British pounds) with the note that it could not be sold in USA. Makes me wonder if Mojo Filter and Flashback World Productions are one and the same. Come on folks, it is not that rare. I found an old traded tape copy in my own collection of this FM broadcast. Prices on older DiP's and DaP's vary widely out there.

The 29 June 1976 show was also put out, in Europe at least, by another grey area company Mojo Filter. In the UK this was (is?) available from Amazon for about $16. They describe it as taken from a radio broadcast. One track ‘The Wheel’ is on the ‘So Many Roads’ compilation.

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Submitted by nitecat on Sat, 09/18/2021 - 12:59

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Thanks to whomever posted about the Greek 81 Story. I googled Steve Kettmann and Greek Theater and found it. Great read, highly recommended! It quotes Blair Jackson saying the Greeks were the beginning of several California outdoor venues - Greek, Frost, Cal Expo, Ventura.

Thanks to every one here for such interesting and informative conversations.

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Submitted by billy the kidd on Sun, 09/19/2021 - 06:48

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This is a killer show, if you have it please put it out as a release. You can put it together with 9/20/70 another killer show, looks like soundboards exist for both shows. 9/19, 20/70 would make for a great Dave's Pick #40.

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