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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • simonrob
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    Why do you think a big box from 1969 might not be a big seller. All the evidence suggests otherwise. When people list their favorite boxes, the two most common favorites are Fillmore West 1969 and Europe '72. For years after the Fillmore West box sold out, people on here were pleading for it to be reissued. Also plenty of folks on here are asking for the Avalon Ballroom shows and the Ark shows from 1969 to be released as a box. Everything suggests that 1969 is a very popular year, and quite rightly so. Primal Dead was such a great period in the band's history. Certainly I'm up for a big 1969 box. The only problem I can think of is that if they brought out a big box, there might not be many 1969 shows left in the vault. Personally I don't see that as a great problem. I want as many 1969 shows as possible released before I shuffle off.

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    I hope that they release two shows from 1969 for Dave's #39. As much as I would like a big box set from 1969, deadnet will probably never release one, I feel that it might not be a big seller. Hopefully, they will release a 3 show run from the Avalon one day, I think that would sell.

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    You can’t Plangentize a cassette

    At least not yet. They would have to build a device.

    The current device is for reels.
    There’s a picture of it on their site.

    plangentprocesses dotcom

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    As usual something off topic....

    For those that have wondered or didn't know.

    I've call Third Man Records. From the website it looked like you could get a subscription for 65 a quarter or 240 for the year. It was not clear if that only gave you access to purchase vault releases or if vault releases were included. Well vault releases ARE included. Apparently 4 vault releases a year. You can sign up for a quarter and then cancel.

    I mainly looking because they are offering the latest Bob Dylan (#16) as a 4 lp set (with no duplicates from the Sony 2 lp set). So basically I'm getting the 4 lp Dylan set for 65 bucks. I probably will not cancel and let it auto renew at least once to see what the next vault release will be. But 65 bucks for the collection seemed A-OK to me.

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    I also enjoy these shows.. one caveat and I might be wrong on this one... they are not currently applying Plangent Processes to cassette masters. Also, with the exception of 30 trips, they have not used cassette masters with Box Sets.. Since 30 trips was one show for each year, and there were many years where no reel to reel or multi-track recordings existed.. they had to include cassette masters with this box.

    Just something to think about.

    I think it's more likely to see these shows pop up in Dave's Picks. ..but who knows, they could do a one-off box of this run?? There's always a first for everything.. as for Plangent on Cassettes, I don't know what they have up their sleeves.. but I don't see this as something imminent or just around the corner. Still, tomorrow never knows.

    A great run and a pretty magical moment in GD history. Steve Parish spent some time talking about the Alaska trip on his SiriusXM radio program. I can't recall the specifics enough to write much but the stories were a trip. Besides logistically getting all their equipment there which involved going through multiple borders and run-ins with custom officials, they had to hire this ex con truck driver and the drive alone scared the bejesus out of him so he quit right after he arrived in Alaska making everyone scramble to get their eqpt home.. the drive there was apparently frightful and involved a quite unwelcomed run in with local wildlife. If memory serves once they arrived but before the shows they randomly ran into a group of Inuits in a bar or something, again before the shows and invited them.. Bobby might have been a part of this. Anyway.. this women or group of indigenous Alaskan's ended up showing up at the shows.. (might have been just one woman, that seems to be memory. A young, cute, innocent Inuit woman showed up and made it backstage and hung out with the band and crew for the week) needless to say wild times ensued and gave a real artic experience for the band and all involved.. I think Billy K took his girlfriend and perhaps others in their circle whitewater rafting.. and the raft flipped in a hydraulic and 'almost killed him' which is an other interesting sidebar... mountain streams are frigid in Alaska any time of the year. Anyway.. I got a kick out of his tales from this run, sounded hilarious and made me wish I was there.

    Good shows, the band was having fun and they are full of energy and that nice 1980 vibe. Plus.. there very well could be a middle aged, half-Inuit dude (or woman) out there right now sporting a tie dye, wearing Birkenstocks and hiding his face behind a beard that looks like a muskrat was surgically attached to his chin and upper lip. We will never now for sure... but the visual adds to the lore of the Baked Alaska adventure.

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    I second that request.

    I agree with VGUY72 that an Alaska Box would be a wonderful addition to the Dead collection. Especially the first show they played. I’ve heard it twice on XM and would love to have it Plangentized

  • proudfoot
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    Great minds...

    Check out 3 21 86

    Good stuff

  • proudfoot
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    The silicon chip inside 'er head

    gets switched to overload

    One step closer to cyborgs...

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    Sunday....

    ....Funday.

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    It's the chip they inserted into your arm when you got vaccinated.. it lets us all know what you are listening to every second of every day.

    I'd post the lenk where it shows this, but you can't post linques here anymore.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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The description sais “ Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 12,000” and the product details sais “Limited to 13,000”. Maybe they need another week to pump out the extra thousand?!?!

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I ordered that thing back in May..lol..last I heard said shipping September 6th..anyone get theirs?

One week delay, I can live with that.
Why is there a delay?
It could be one or more problems, namely manufacturing problems such as mis-stamped discs, low raw stock, and of course, labor problems - too many plant employees are out sick because of COVID-19.
Who really knows.

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Got my shipping notice on the Ashes vinyl w/ slipmat.

The big Fox 71 vinyl appears to be pushed out to mid November here and amazon. Looks like the cd format for the show is available on schedule.

I'd rather have the crack equipment crew get it just right then deal with Warner getting things rectified...

The date on the Digital taste has not moved so we'll get some first impressions in the meantime.

Wouldn't it be cool to let us boxers get a one show digital miracle as a nice delay gesture and it lets us dip our toes in that new technology ;)

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Exactly why I switched to digital copies...

Production delays, poor pressing of CDs, (took almost 8 months to get replacement Giants Stadium box cds.), damaged box with shipping and countless days waiting for a reply.
Can't wait to see, if this will cause a stir on the last Dave's Pick.
Can we switch, Dave's picks, to a digital release option?

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While you wait for the St Louis Box Set to arrive. You now have the extra time to purchase, from that exceptional offering, of Garden and Halloween gear. We all requested

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But looking forward to this so much. If it is delayed a email notification would be nice. It is like 2021 isn’t it? Also looking forward to the Neil Young Carnegie Hall release due Friday!

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Email received that box will start shipping around 8/1. Thanks Dead.net/Rhino/PTB, etc.

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We know you have been eagerly anticipating the arrival of the St. Louis collection releases. We are too and have been doing everything we can but due to production delays, the following items have shipping updates:

Listen To The River: St: Louis ’71 ’72 ’73 (20-CD) – will begin shipping October 1, 2021

Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12-10-71 (5-LP) – will begin shipping November 14, 2021

We are sincerely sorry for the delay and we thank you for your patience.

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Strangely, my email update which has just arrived says they will start shipping on 1st October which is the day they should be sending it anyway. Presumably they mean 8th Oct?

Edit SIMONROB Your post hadn’t appeared as I typed mine.

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Hello Everybody,
I've received an e-mail 20 Min ago from GD/Rhino with this notice:

''Listen To The River: St: Louis ’71 ’72 ’73 (20-CD) – will begin shipping October 1, 2021''
G.

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Yo! Rockers!!!

So we have to wait another week, or maybe two. We've waited almost 50 years already. Believe me, it will be worth the wait..........

Rock on!!

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The biggest thing I possess is infinite patience. Once you are patient, things fall in place..........

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How hard can it be to pass on accurate information? As others have noticed, the release date of the box as shown on the product page was changed from October 1 to October 8. Now we get an order update mail that gives the release date as October 1. The logical assumption is that the update mail was composed by a retard and as such it can be ignored and that we can expect a week's delay in the shipping of the box. As for the 5 LP set, the new release date of November 14 corresponds to the release date given on Amazon so I think we can assume that that is accurate.

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These I recall generally happen after the official release date to push sales along. So maybe that will come this weekend yet. Just without any cannons or wildfires, please (unless animated, of course).

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Anyone have an updated number? The one I googled is wrong. Figure I might 86 that garden statue

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While we wait can I recommend a DVD from Fat Possum from the 4th Memphis Country Blues Festival. I’m watching it at the moment and so far it is excellent.

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This shipping notice seems to have added to the confusion rather than cleared it. My axe to grind concerns reference to the 5 L.P. release date, which I received along with the one for the box of cds. I didn't order the 5 L.P.set-but I did order the Light Into Ashes album, and there was no mention of that in the email I recieved. Maybe it was just a generic and incomplete email I recieved-but more worryingly, it might be a warning that they are going to send me the wrong album ! I think I'd better spend tomorrow trying to contact them to make sure they aren't going to do this.

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I know I used to get all wound up too, waiting in the audience when the scheduled start time for a GD concert came and went, but eventually the lights went down and we all had a real good time.

To distract you from the box set blues, I will mention that my favorite music to listen to on a long bike ride or run is string quartets. They're so personal that they sink straight into my psyche, and then tell such a good long story that I can get very lost in them for 20+ minutes, just like in an exploratory Playin' or Dark Star. Lately it's been Vivaldi, Britten, Elliott Carter, and Nielsen.

Also--I've finally been listening to the shows I attended, and have made it to my third show, which was 9/4/91. Sounds pretty hot to my ears, especially the Jack Straw, Cold Rain, Promised, and He's Gone. But the top highlight, for those who want to get a small sample, is the killer Scarlet-->Fire to kick off set two. I was fortunate to have started my live GD journey in 1991, as they were still bringing the X Factor a lot that year. I welcome any releases from 1991.

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... is the only part of the St. Louis collection that will be on time?
That's all I ordered for now.
My tracking says 10-1-21 now.
Have not received any stray notices about the other products.
Surprised the CD box has not sold out.
Good luck to all, Cheers!

WW - thanks for the heads up. Just ordered the CD.

I'm guessing the start shipping date of 10/1 and arrive date of 10/8 includes the 3 trips around the loading dock and the innovation dance between USPS and UPS in the states.

Would love to see a box unveiling video...

Just checked the list and didn’t see any GD.

There is a Jimi Hendrix - Paris 67 that I might have to acquire.

Aerosmith is putting out 2000 copies of a cassette…..

Janis and Big Brother at Monterey Pop.

2 Jorma releases.

Some Motörhead for Proudfoot.

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November 14, 2021 as new shipping date per e-mail. 😟

Should get Garcia Live: Vol 17 around that time as
well.
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Reread email: Now they’re just trying to confuse me. The prior e-mail told me I might be interested in items including Daves 39 & Daves 39. 😳

Please don’t email me guys. I don’t check for shipping notices and after the Giants Stadium box, I am pleased and pleasantly surprised even if an order arrives 10 months late.

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Seems odd to get a notice from “the Dead.net team” that due to “production delays” the Listen to the River box will “begin shipping October 1, 2021.” Because, wasn’t that always the announced release date? In other news, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

In the same email, I am informed that the 12-10-71 lp set will begin shipping November 14. Even though I didn’t order that set. Which seems weird because it would be really easy to send a separate email to everybody who ordered that set, if that's the only thing that changed.

Which makes me wonder: did somebody just put the wrong date on the Listen to the River announcement? Was it supposed to say "delayed until October 8" or something?

So, on the one hand, they’re trying. On the other hand, this is not very effective communication. Bottom line, I can’t tell what, if anything, has changed with regard to my order.

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Just checking my emails, I notice I got one on Monday telling me that Light Into Ashes is on its way. A bit surprising - it looks as though that one is out ahead of schedule.

Colin-I saw some clips of Memphis 69 via Michael Messers website (great slide guitarist incidentally), and it does indeed look excellent. I think it was the same one-features Bukkha White.

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Michael Messer's Mitra are well worth checking out. Some good videos of them on Youtube.

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Dave, That’s right. It’s also got Sleepy John Estes, Furry Lewis and Mississippi Fred McDowell. Well worth having. There must be a lot more footage so I hope it has been preserved for the future.

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Yes, Iv'e been intending to get the cd they made for some time now. His solo albums are good too. And those resonators he endorses are a constant temptation-especially the White Lightning.

Colin-typing at the same time! - I'll head over to Amazon for further investigation I think.

In an ideal world, you receive the product on the release date. So to be released on Oct 1st, it has to be shipped a few days prior. So shipping on Oct 1st, means it will really be on the streets Oct 8

In any case, it is it nice to know they are still thinking of us, albeit belatedly

They paint bulls eyes on the labels and use them for target practice at the warehouse. I wouldn't hold your breath...

But at least the cogs have begun to move.

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Truckin', got my chips cashed in
Keep truckin', like the do-dah man
Together, more or less inline
Just keep truckin' on
Arrows of neon and flashing marquees out on Main Street
Chicago, New York, Detroit and it's all on the same street
Your typical city involved in a typical daydream
Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings
Dallas, got a soft machine
Houston, too close to New Orleans
New York got the ways and means
But just won't let you be
Most of the cats that you meet on the street speak of true love
Most of the time, they're sittin' and cryin' at home
One of these days they know they better be goin'
Out of the door and down to the street all alone
Truckin', like the do-dah man
Once told me, "You've got to play your hand"
Sometimes the cards ain't worth a dime
If you don't lay 'em down
Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me
Other times, I can barely see
Lately, it occurs to me
What a long, strange trip it's been
What in the world ever became of sweet Jane?
She lost her sparkle, you know she isn't the same
Livin' on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine
All a friend can say is, "Ain't it a shame?"
Truckin', up to Buffalo
Been thinkin', you got to mellow slow
It takes time, you pick a place to go
And just keep truckin' on
Sittin' and starin' out of the hotel window
Got a tip they're gonna kick the door in again
I'd like to get some sleep before I travel
But if you got a warrant, I guess you're gonna come in
Busted, down on Bourbon Street
Set up, like a bowlin' pin
Knocked down, it gets to wearin' thin
They just won't let you be
You're sick of hangin' around and you'd like to travel
Get tired of travelin', you want to settle down
I guess they can't revoke your soul for tryin'
Get out of the door and light out and look all around
Sometimes the light's all shinin' on me
Other times, I can barely see
Lately, it occurs to me
What a long, strange trip it's been
Truckin', I'm a goin' home
Whoa, whoa, baby, back where I belong
Back home, sit down and patch my bones
And get back truckin' on

Songwriters: Jerome J. Garcia / Philip Lesh / Robert Hall Weir / Robert C. Christie Hunter

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I was there as well. That three show run was hot. The first night on 9/4/91 is a well played show with big jams. The middle night was well played but mellow. The third night of 9/6 was epic. From the Stranger opener through Bird Song may be the best 2st set this line-up performed that year. The second set is the best combo of Victim > Crazy Fingers > Playin > Terrapin > Jam then they came back with a Dark Star Jam out of Drumz. The show that tops this is 9/26/91.

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Hey Hey.. I got an order on the way email, its for the garden statue, but hey...its progress..🙂😆

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For those keeping score (and I think we ALL are by now) I got my shipping confirmation for the Light into Ashes Lp and the slipmat, but not for the main event box set yet. So Im thinking that did get bumped by a few days but other items are starting to ship. Good luck all! I was hoping this might actually be in hand or on the way this weekend but looks probably not

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Out for delivery apparently!!! Shipped from Riverside, CA....luckily I lived 30 miles away. It usually takes 3-4 days to snake its way around the LA region.

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As with the DaP 39 release, I received an email from the above source, stating release is imminent…your loyal business is valued…are there any concerns you may have?…
In short, a very customer-focussed note.

Is everyone else receiving these as we await official launch, binoculars in hand, cold drinks at the ready?

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Amazon Prime has it for $26.59, delivered tomorrow...vinyl delivered 11/19

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My first shows were at The Boston Garden on Fall Tour 91. I’ve always longed for a Fall 91 Box Set. Grate music and good times!

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Boston Garden 91, 9/20 was my 2nd show and one of my favorites that I ever saw, 'cause of Bruce's pie-anner. I'd thoroughly enjoy a 91 Box. Dicks Picks 17 is one of my all time favorites for the same reason.

No shipping notice yet for this behemoth, but did get the email update it should go out tomorrow. Cue the passenger pigeons in bomber jackets and leather flight caps with circular goggles.

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for sure, give me a spring or fall box of 91, with lots of Bruce

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So glad this showed up a day early to help satisfy the hunger left by the big box's somewhat imminent arrival. On the Phil-o Stomp portion of Dark Star, and the Playing was excellent and deep, the first part of Dark Star was immediately exploratory as they had only briefly left deep jams for Billy's drum solo. Jerry plays some really pretty things early on. The China> Rider Connection Jam after the Phil-o Stomp is fantastic and so unexpected (even though I used to listen to this set all the time years ago), what a way to transition to D to then go to Dm for Dew, with Phil dropping them in perfectly. Wow! Okay gonna shut these fingers up and enjoy this Dew. Hope everybody gets their shipments soon and all intact and unsullied.

Oh, and the "Formless Reflections" vinyl? It's real, and it's spectacular!

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This beast is showing up? How does it sound?

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From this site CD release date moved form 1st to 8th and now the 15th of October. The 5 album vinyl edition has now slipped to the 19th of Nov. I ordered both. I wonder if they will ship together or separately.
Light into Ashes vinyl (10-18-72) arrived yesterday

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The only show available for download is 12/9/71. When will we see the rest?

I do hope they get this box on the plane soon,keeping on postponing the release date is becoming a drag, it could end up with no one here to pay customs and take delivery if this carries on. I'm not sure how long customs will hold onto goods without payment, or an acceptable delivery window, if fees are paid, what a" Cock Up"

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