Dave's Picks Vol. 39: The Spectrum, Philadelphia, PA 4/26/83

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

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October 10, 2021 - 12:20pm

#41

Oroborous

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60s

It is puzzling that so few sixties have come out?
Yes their very repetitive, but look at this box, obviously that doesn’t stop em...
And yes many are short,
And there probably not as many good recordings,
but I’ll bet there’s still enough quality there to do something?
Been way too long fo sho!
October 10, 2021 - 10:28am

#42

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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Thanks gents

Icecreamed I appreciate your logic. I'd agree that ABCDs will continue to come out, interspersed with what's in the Vault. Clearly, for this St Louis box, that one ABCD reel enabled the entire box. Frankly, the list of returned Bettys is rather stunning. I'm still panting for every release and that's 50+ years after hearing AB and Skull & Roses for the first time. (Actually, I borrowed Live-Dead from a friend when it came out -- I was only 12 and couldn't make sense out of the opening to Dark Star, so I took it off the stereo and returned the LP unheard!!) And I'll leap at any '80s shows that are hot, after all, I did attend my share. Agreed, cassettes of hot shows beat multi-tracks of lacklustre performances.

Here's a curveball: whatever happened to the tape stash that Mtn Grl turned over? Those were Jer's tapes and Dave did release that killer April '70 acoustic show with the Pigpen set. But I haven't heard anymore about them, nor ever seen a list. (That probably doesn't exist outside Dave's files.) Then there are the tapes that the roadie's ex turned in, which helped create the Fox Theater/FW 69-70 release (DaP 6) and an undisclosed source of returned tapes that enabled Thelma 12-69 (DaP 9). There's a bunch we simply don't know about. And primal stuff, too. I'd think they still have a fair amount of '69 suitable for release. (DaP 40???)

Though thinking about the Vault holdings can drive me a little crazy, I'm kinda glad that Dave doesn't release a list. It keeps the surprise factor going and my earlier posts about the Vault -- how many excellent shows remain unreleased -- run to the optimistic side because Dave has many aces up his sleeve and, as I surmised earlier, he's looking for commercial patterns that could lead to a box and one-offs that work for the DaP series. I must say, while I really don't want his job, it's gotta be mighty fun. A couple tokes and a tour of the Vault would probably leave me quite worn out.

As to preservation, it's not clear to me what the process or pace is. I did get the impression from Dave's description of his DaP process that he selects a show, and THEN it gets digitized and a technical once-over to see if will stand up to release quality. I'd love to hear Dave talk about his process, which shouldn't reveal anything he doesn't want to reveal.

Meanwhile, it's been established that the OSF still has reels of GD. I asked them to keep an eye out for 9-19-72, which is in the Vault, but missing a reel. Fingers crossed, that was my first show. I did sponsor a reel myself of 1973 NRPS. OSF told me that they had opened a box marked NRPS, only to find it empty -- disaster! Yet it seems they've recovered quite a few reels somehow (mislabeled, misplaced?) since then because, obviously, they did that early NRPS box and, presumably, more NRPS releases to come in the future. Johnny Cash at the Avalon is coming out soon! They must have feelers out to innumerable artists for permission to release and they've been careful to go outside the San Francisco bands to broaden our palate. I'm, grateful.

Man, I never tire of this stuff.

And Icecreamed, the new box is pretty sweet. The setlists are mindblowing. You're gonna love it, I'm sure. I'm gonna stretch it out into the early winter just so I savor every skull fuck.

Edit: P.S. Yeah, the demographic angle (Giants box sell-out) is a strong one. I suspect that each era has its fans. I didn't see any '60s shows, but I'm on 'em like white on rice. I caught one '91 and two '92 shows after leaving the GD concert scene in '87, and I'd love to have those properly restored. And I caught shows in every year, 1980-1987, which of course I'd love to hear again. Think of it this way: if you were 25 in 1985, you're ~61 now. Still rockin'. I kinda doubt that, except for Billy the Kid, that any of us did catch '60s shows, but we're hot for 'em. Crazy good stuff.
October 10, 2021 - 10:17am

#43

Oroborous

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Cone kid DL

maybe that’s it Conekid, save up the working capital from profits now so they can afford to fix up and digitize, then add a DL series, but one that not only works, but excels. Ya know, something the Dead used to be known for: cutting edge, leading technology...
October 10, 2021 - 10:13am

#44

Oroborous

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As far as as digitization

now that Plangent can be used on cassettes, wouldn’t they want to wait on digitization?
I agree that they should get digital back up ASAP for everything, starting with the best sounding good shows as ICCK suggests, but it seems like they wait to cover the production costs until they have the years submoney in hand?

Remember this was one of the big riffs that happened between band members: some wanted to “sell out” to some corporation who would have the financial resources to digitize the whole collection, so you could get any show ala carte, but Phil was like “I’m not turning on the TV and hear Truckin’ during a Chevy commercial” not an exact quote, but he wasn’t about just selling out, he wanted to maintain control and do it their way, well maintaining the respect the music deserved. Or remember the whole Terrapin Station debacle, where Mickey said there’d be a kiosk, so you could put your order in at arrival, and pick up your shows after you toured the museum etc,
So there has been talk at least of trying to make the vault more accessible. But now that Rhino has bought at least some level of control, I don’t think their in a hurry to do any of that, which sucks.

Now if there was any forethought, Rhino et el would of been reinvesting some of the profits from all these years of windfalls to build up enough scratch so if/when the Beatty well etc runs dry, they have the cash to fix up the better cassettes, properly!, and then start pushing them out en masse? Not sure if it’s true, but a reasonable theory, that they could be marketing to the “older” crowd currently, assuming that more of the 80/90s market is younger and thus will be around longer. That seems limiting to me, but what do I know?
Personally, I’m in the All The Years combined camp: let’s get all the multitracks from any year out first, or say one box of multi’s a year at premium rate, so they can milk it along, combined with say DaP series of Beatty’s and predominantly older stuff, (perhaps with some “normal” boxes mixed in), and also offer a no frills 80/90s outlet for everyone else to enjoy, you could call it Pedro’s Picks as I’m available ; )
Sure they might not sell as much of any particular individual format/series, but cumulatively they could be selling more total! And no offense, but their doing this to make money!
October 10, 2021 - 9:44am

#45

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Giants Box is a grate one

Multi-track and a BluRay.
We need more video!

80/90’s multi-tracks should all be released.
And the 2-track DAT Masters if they sound good and the performance doesn’t have any major meltdowns.

As for the 80’s cassettes, if they sound good and the band is on, then release them. Especially since Plangent can now do cassettes. I would support and 80’s cassette download series, but not until Rhino figures out how to run a download service.
October 10, 2021 - 9:26am

#46

Oroborous

Joined:
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ABCD/80s etc

They needed to get returns on their investments.
I believe I read there is a NDA?

Theory: using say just four years of DaP only with 20k subs at $100 per sub = $2Mil per year (not including extra ala carte $, boxes, aprons, hatchets etc)
So that’s 8 million in four years just for DaPs...
So my theory is that after production costs and corporate profit etc, it’s taken a few years to pay some or all of that investment off, thereby loosening things up a bit. I’m sure you’ll see ABCD reels being used more then less until their either mostly gone, or the shows aren’t up to par. Hey, a well recorded lousy show is still a lousy show...
As for 80s shows, I’ve said it all along: have 2 series!
I think you snobs would be surprised how well a series dedicated to 80s and 90s “cover band” shows would sell.
I think there’s a huge army of silent heads just waiting...GIANTS box anyone? Sold out way quicker then 78, 76, PNW or the current one!
October 10, 2021 - 9:05am

#47

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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HF, speculation

My speculation regarding the rate of ABCD releases is based on the speculation I read on these boards. I have no additional knowledge.

Regarding the STL Box, in the seaside chat Dave explains how this Box came to be. I don’t recall the details but I think it was something like most of the shows had been selected for release at some time, and he wanted to do another regional Box, and this one came together at this time, although another Box could have also come.

I think that digitization of all the analog recordings (presumably starting with the best sound quality) is a constant process because getting digital copies stored in multiple locations is an insurance policy to keep the releases and revenue coming well into the future.
You don’t want to pull a Universal Music and lose everything in a fire.
So, I think that the library of digitized shows is constantly increasing and that Dave has an ever growing selection to choose from, and then he picks a show that appeals to him at the time. In seaside chats in the past he has said how he has more than one show in mind for an upcoming release, and then makes a decision for whatever reason.

Regarding 80-85 cassettes, we basically know what sounds good because you can get copies from the torrents. There are a lot of people who do want shows from those years released, but also a lot of people who will not buy them. The Rhino business plan may be to generate as much revenue as possible from the pre-Brent years while the people who only like those years are still alive and spending money.

This has all been speculated on in the past on these boards, and I’m just respeculating.

The USPS app says that my Box is out for delivery…..
October 10, 2021 - 8:11am

#48

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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The Vault conversation, part XXIV...

So, Icecreamed, I'm curious why you say that Dave has to deal "first" with returned Bettys? I have openly speculated here that the initial plethora of ABCD-related releases in years just passed might reflect some arrangement with the gents who are ABCD to get the material out more or less immediately. Do you have any argument or evidence that that's true? Being sincere here, not snarky.

I say this because I note that only one reel in the St Louis box is from ABCD. I don't know how many reels per show were used, but is it safe to say more than 20 reels for 20 CDs' worth of music? So the St Louis box benefited from one returned reel but is by far mostly composed of reels they had in the Vault. Neither DaP 39 or 38 were from the ABCD stash.

So I'm genuinely wondering: if there is/was a deal with ABCD to get out those returned Bettys, did the initial slew of ABCD shows (spring '77, Red Rocks, etc.) in the past 2-3 (3-4?) years satisfy that agreement and now Dave is free to intersperse Vault shows with returned Bettys? That scenario seems kinda likely, in that I can imagine an ABCD deal as described above but not one that would shackle Dave for any length of time from freely choosing shows after an initial burst of ABCD releases.

I guess we can only speculate, as a confidentiality agreement probably exists.

As for speculation that we're being softened up to accept '80s shows on cassette -- a world of difference from a Betty, I think many would agree -- that is ... disturbing, to a degree. I'd probably keep subscribing even then, because as in this year, when Dave did '87 and '83 shows, he also gave us 9-73 and 4-78. The '73 shows are a must-hear, must-have for me. So I'd suck up a few '80s cassette shows to get what to me is the really good stuff. My storage situation reflects my personal approach: I've got prime shelf space in my office for '66 thru '75 GD. '76 thru '90s shows are in a tall oak bookshelf in the basement (along with 3/4s of my Jimi, all my Dylan, and other top artists, so no disrespect, just space issues).

Blah, blah, blah! My guess is that the ABCD agreement has passed its initial phase and we're now in potpourri territory. Yes, "potpourri territory"... mmm, need more coffee...
October 9, 2021 - 3:59pm

#49

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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The Vault

GD renewed the 10-year contract with Rhino a couple of years ago and will probably renew for a third term when that time comes.
So, Greek, Frost, Ventura, and others will probably get sifted through for release.
But, Dave has the returned reels to deal with first.
I think that the 80’s DaP’s we have received so far were selected so that the ‘better’ 80’s shows can be used later when there are few pre-Brent shows remaining.
October 9, 2021 - 3:08pm

#50

hendrixfreak

Joined:
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Don't be too grumpy...

I think the Vault has quite a few iconic shows tucked away, as well as tons of shows we attended and haven't heard squat from.

I'm not a natural optimist, but remember that Dave thinks the DaP series will go for 20 years. That's 100 shows, counting bonus disc. Plus he's putting out another 7-8 shows per year in a box. Another decade of boxes is another 80 shows.

All I'm saying is that, to accomplish that, Dave has to have a long-term plan, not just plucking the occasional show out of the Vault for release. I have no actual knowledge of his m.o., but it would seem to me he's got to come up with box themes that'll fly tape-wise and business-wise. So he may very well have Frost, Greek, Shoreline, Red Rocks (that's my personal desire) shows staying intact, under the radar, to enable future boxes.

Notice I didn't say something like, "Have patience..." because I want that Rocks box NOW!!

Just sayin', there's hope.

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We're feelin' Philly 4/26/83 and its '80s highs. See what we're on about when you pick up DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83, the final show of a three-week tour, played at the venue that the Dead played more than Madison Square Garden (there's your daily dose of Dead trivia). This one fires on all cylinders, with extremely well-played, high-energy tight sets featuring newbies "West L.A. Fadeway," "My Brother Esau," rarities like Brent's tune "Maybe You Know," precise medleys "Help>Slip>Franklin's," an inspired new pairing "Throwing Stones>Not Fade Away," and the Dave's Picks debut of "Shakedown Street." And before you come down, we've got a prime slice of bonus material from the previous Spectrum show 4/25/83 and an extra dollop of '83 from the War Memorial Auditorium, Rochester, NY 4/15/83 (featuring the Bobby rarity "Little Star").

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE'S PICKS VOLUME 39: THE SPECTRUM, PHILADELPHIA, PA, 4/26/83 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

*2 per order. Very limited quantity available.

The last great box set?

What could it be? Maybe there is more than one. Dave said that they erased a lot of the Warfield tapes for practice tapes for Brent, but maybe they didn't erase the video tapes of the shows. I sit here watching Scarlett Begonias & Morning Dew from Winteland 1974 and I think to myself, if they released all the video and audio from Winteland 1974 that would be hard to top, is that the last great box set
left? What if they have the whole Great Northwest Tour from 1968 in the vault,, that would certainly be a contender for the last great box set. I can't wait for this s new box set, it looks like a killer! Oh well, eventually we will find out, time for another beer.

Aye Wilfred

being difficult is a trait both men and women can have

I am just venting about my immediate circle of people I need to deal with

in the immortal words of the Plasmatics

"tell me how you got your mind so crazy
P S Y C H O!!!"

The Last Great Box Set

A new documentary now streaming on Netflix.

Proudfoot, I see you have been talking with my wife. So long as you don't tell her I am on the river.. everything should be copasetic. Just let her rant for a couple hours and with a little luck she will humanize a bit.

Edit: Clearly we need some new music to distract is from.. well.. ourselves... Having listened to most of the shows in the FoxBox as they currently circulate, I just know this will be an awesome adventure in sound and I cannot wait to enjoy the FullNorman versions.

Plus, news of Dave's Picks 40 should begin to trickle out pretty soon.

Bolo, Bolo.. wherefore art though Bolo? (I hear if you mention his name three times he magically appears) Perhaps he can help shed some light into what might be coming our way on the subscription ending release.

rant for a couple of days

"MPINOIFNIOOEIWJLANMLKMNRKLENMKLEAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

yes, dear

"IOPDJOOIJIEJWNIOJROIEWQJIOREJWIORJEWQI!!!!!"

yes, dear

In fairness...

...I find myself bitching about lights that are left on and the water on the sink so much that I'm wondering if it's purposefully done now. I swear, in her previous life, my wife was a seal. :-)

Okay Jim, I'll go with 10-31-79 for DaP 40

Yes, they have the tape(s), as a few trx have been released.

And, most importantly, its release would "justify" the avalanche of Halloween merch.

Count on it.

DaP 40

Ouija board says 1969 or 1979 - 81 or 1991.

Changed my mind...

Or more accurately, I'm lodging my wish list: 8-12-79, Red Rocks, for DaP 40.

I don't give a hoot about 10-31-79, I was just trying to think "like Dave," but, like, he's Canadian, so what the hell was I thinking? Impossible to fathom his mind except for his inevitable love of flannel hats and donuts, right?

KIDDING!!!

Just make it a truly hot show.

And, while I'm "thinking" (Red Alert!) what would be the format or venue for releasing any of the '68 shows that are left? RSD? They've been holding out on 10-12-68 that went with that so-called book of silly cartoons, when do we get it?

Boy, gotta get my torches and sickles together if I'm gonna talk like a one-man mob, no?

HFreak Mob

Hat = toque in Canadia

You just weren’t thinking within the correct vernacular to get in Dave’s mind.

But don’t be too quick to try to get in Dave’s mind, you might be disappointed when you only find avocados.

Recall on the NYE ‘87 video when Mickey, dressed up as Mr. Spock, reads Jerry’s mind and finds lots and lots of cigarette butts.

I want some Vince/Bruce for 40....

....I do. I really, really do.

Ole Brucey Sittin' in on Keys

It's only a matter of time until we get a '91. I like this version of the band as well, and on average they seem to be better recorded than shows in the earlier parts of the Healy era. Bruce could jam with the best of em..

Reminds me of a comment a Trinidadian friend of mine said in the 80's (talking about Captain and Tennille), in my best Trini Accent "Maaun thut guye con plaaayy tha pee-annnn-nooo!" He was a big heavy metal freak and the comment coming from him still cracks me up thinking about it to this day. Not to compare Bruce with the Captain, I just thought the comment was a riot and why rob him of is piano hero. Plus, Bruce can really play the piano. Party on Victor!

HF - Holy Crap.. dipping my big toe into 8/12/79 Red Rocks for the first time. Really good, I cannot turn it off.. great recording great performance (so far, just midway through the first set). Yes, this will do nicely.

I must be high

In fact, I actually am kinda lit, so I thought I'd say that my next to last show was Soldier Field, 22 June 1991, and I was WAY BACK and still enjoyed that evening with Brucey onboard. I'd take that show anyday as a Pick.

I love this sh** one week out from an announcement (presumably) and I'm sure Dave will surprise us all.

Jim, that Red Rocks show really ripped us new ones and we were chock full of blotter for it. That show roars! Wonder if they have a lot of Rocks shows in the Vault and, if so, whether Dave's got "Rocks Box" somewhere in his notes. I kinda gotta believe that's true. Only 7-7-78 & 7-8-78 released so far.

Yeah, where the hell is Bolo? Shouldn't he be raffling off a free Proudfoot Toenail Clipper to whomever can decipher his indecipherable "clues"?

In other news, the new box is due here Friday. And I'm a gonna ladle on a wee bit of tequila and indica for that first '71 show, yes going chrono.

Not to change the subject, but now I'm going into the living room to watch Godzilla: King of the Monsters (1956). Try topping that, boys!

Define

Define "Ladle on a wee bit of Tequila and Indica."

In the mid Atlantic we generally preface a reply such as this with, "yes" or "yes please" occasionally, "yes, thank you" and rare occasions, "yes thanks.. apologies for the dent in the garage door."

Soldier Field 91

I would hope the video and audio of that show gets released. I was there and it was epic.

92 Soldier Field had a great first night. Was at both of those. Steve Miller and James Cotton sat in. Epic as well.

93 Soldier Field had Sting open. I don't remember those shows being particular standouts as I haven't even listened back to them in over 20 years.

94 Soldier Field attended the first night but not second. Seemed it had its moments.

95 Soldier Field, historic significance and Vision of Johanna was the real lone highlight except Phil stepping up. Not the same band from Fall 91...

Dave's Picks

It might be nice, if a show was released for each decade that the Dead played in. A Dave's Picks from the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. Have that be the Dave's Picks model for each year.

Soldier Field 91

Soldier Field 91 was my last Dead show until Soldier Field 94-- had a girlfriend in college who hated the Grateful Dead. I still shake my head about that one-- why did I date that woman for 2+ years?!! I missed out on many good times, but I digress.

We had floor seats at Soldier Field 91 and I remember we highly enjoyed the first set with Bucket and Shakedown. I loved the Wang Dang Doodle. During set break, the chemicals starting really kicking in for our whole group and we all found the 2nd set, let's say, intense and sometimes tedious with all the Dark Star teases. We booked to the concourse for Drums and Space, but returned for the post-Space section and loved the Black Peter. I would be interested in hearing this show with fresh ears 30 years later.

In 1994, I vividly recall walking into Soldier Field with Traffic kicking into Medicated Goo-- to this day my favorite Traffic song, mostly because it takes me back to a good day in 1994. Spacebrother is right about 1995, Visions of Johanna was all that was memorable on 7/8.

Happy to do it and thanks

for properly capitalizing Tequila and Indica...

"Ladling on a wee bit" is a euphemism for having gargantuan quantities on hand -- just in case they should be needed -- as a multi-hour show unspools on the sound system.

When the weather was quite warm, I'd mix Small Ice Cubes with the Squeezings of a Lime and pour ~2 oz on top, let it sit Five Minutes and Consume with Pleasure. Preceded by a Packed Vaporizer stuffed with Indica of the Finest Strain I could raise in captivity. As the weather cools, I skip that ice crap and go for the Raw Product.

Adjust Volume as Necessary. Leap Up with Glee when Pigpen begins his Greasy Caterwauling.

Do Not Rinse, but Repeat Throughout the Listening Experience.

That is My Definition of Ladling on a Wee Bit, mon frere. No Please, no Thank You, just a libertine's I'll Have That NOW!

Last Great Box Set?

Well, I think there are a lot of possibilities, especially if one continues down the multi-year track some (Giants, PNW, Listen to the River). However, if we are gonna go with the tradition runs from 1 year, I have some ideas. Two types, the first where we have some releases/even a good chunk, but not the whole thing. And then ones where nothing/little has been released.

1. Complete Me
A. Full Winterland '74 (audio & video)
B. Full Closing of the Fillmore East 1971 (Can maybe throw in the rest of 7-2-71 F. West Closing if they have it).
----May be some legal issues with the Beach Boys stuff.
C. Fillmore East '70 (2/11, 2/13, 2/14). Issues with ABB stuff. With some NRPS in there.
D. Full Alpine '89. Audio & Video.
E. 1980 Acoustic stuff: but I think the tapes are toast.
F. 1972: Full Academy of Music Shows (or just the ones not released in full yet).

2. Little/None released
1. 1973: 3 before PNE: Kezar (5/26) plus RFK (6/9 & 6/10). ABB issues.
2. 1973: 2/9 & 2/15
3. 1970 Fall: September Fillmore (3 shows) or Stoneybrook + Cap Theatre + Rock Palace (7 shows)
4. 1969: Ark Box
5. 1968: Carousel Ballroom
6. 1985: Summer Tour box
7. More fall 1989 (Philly Spectrum as centerpiece)
8. More Hornsby 1990 MSG
9. 1987 (if they can get Dylan on board to release full shows).

Forthcoming stuff

Got my shipping notice on Listen to the River today! Who-hoo!

Also, got Garcia Live #17 ordered.

Getting psyched for DP #40. 10-31-79 Halloween angle is interesting.

Still think '91 or Pigpen show.

Last great box set?

I think it was meant to be around like certain runs or big events, The Europe 72 tour, the Fillmore West run. The complete Winterland 1974 run would certainly fit in that category, the April 1971 Fillmore East run would certainly be there. I thought the complete 1968 tour of the Great Northwest would fall into that category, if they had all the tapes. The complete Avalon Ballroom recordings, like you mention, multi year options. I guess that there are a lot of possibilities.

last box

The Complete Great North West Tour of 1968 would be a hot potato !

all I want and need furtherfurthur

is
6/10/73
11/19/72

Box on the wayyyyyy

Got a notice my box will arrive Saturday! Yay!

Just received my Grateful Gardening Bear growing mushrooms. Sooo Cute!

HF & Ladling..

....this is truly divine.
Ahh, the simplicity of the description, the utilization of two of my favorite consumables, no less.

The Share is appreciated; and the telling is, as always, an enlightening, entertaining, joy-inducing read.
Why am I suddenly craving Tequila?

Be Well, People!
Sixtus

forum for the box ?

I thought there was-2 down from here.

Box Forum

Ooops - just found it.

GRRR!

Just lost a long post about 2/21/71. Not going through all that again. Bottom line - it kicks ass big time. Loved it out of the starting gate, but it just keeps growing on me. 2/21/71 - get some!

Dave's #40/ Avalon Ballroom

Those April 1969 Avalon shows would sure make a nice release. Killer version of Death Don't Have No Mercy on 4/6/69. Looks like the complete show of 4/5/69 is all there. Hopefully, we get a 1960s release, we haven't had one in a while. 10/12/68. would make a wonderful stand alone release, like the two acoustic Warfield shows or the acoustic Family Dog show from 1970. It doesn't have to be a Dave's pick, surprise us with a stand alone release.

Mo' '68

Hard to imagine what's actually in the Vault, but they gotta have a half-dozen '68s left, no? Just guessing without any basis -- my usual m.o. The '66, '67 and '68 in the 30 Trips certainly rang the bell. Let's ring it again! A standalone Proto-Dead or something. Make it a limited edition if they think there's only limited, hardcore interest. A '66 show would get more interest from me than an '86 show, just sayin'. In fact, the OSF just announced the preservation of a single reel of a single set '68 show. Collaborate and celebrate '68!

Radio surprise!

Here in the Twin Cities we are fortunate to have a dedicated jazz radio station (KBEM--88.5 on your FM dial--streaming, too!), which is member-supported (yes, I donate). They have a bluegrass show and a jammy show (that DJ usually plays one Phish song each time), but mostly just play straight-up jazz. I listen a lot in the car when I am not making longer drives that warrant a 20-minute Playin' or some such treat.

Anyway, the other day I'm cruising around running errands, when suddenly, that beloved and familiar riff comes sneaking out of my car speakers: "Duh duh duh duhn . . . duh duh duh duhn . . . " Dark Star! The station was playing the new release by Dave McMurray, and at midday, nonetheless.

Yesterday's bike ride tunes: Schubert String Quartet No. 14 by the Juilliard Quartet, followed by disc two of DP 11 (9/27/72), the latter to prepare for the River box.

Also--started listening to my fourth show, 9/5/91, and the first set just kills it! I was lucky to have seen some of the summer and fall 1991 shows, as they really rocked my world. Is 1991 > 1990? :-O

1966-1969

Magical years. The reason why there may have been so few shows released from 1966-1968, and literally none in the Daves Picks series, could be because those releases are aimed at "Deadheads". And they didnt exist in the 60s. They didn't start germinating until the early 70's kicked in. The rational for releases could be that Deadheads are more interested in shows they attended and merchandise than they are in the 60s shows. Crazy - but there you go.

60s GD

I bet we get one or two more, but that's it. If there were more available for release, they would have released those.

88 and 92...mark my words, that's what we will get next.

Moody Blues Days of Future Passed side two is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO good

"and the world still goes on through the niiiiiiiiiiiiiggghhhhhhht...."

GOOSEBUMPS

Psychedelic blue balls

I have 5 Dark Stars lined up to listen to...and I just don't have the time to dedicate to them right now.

AAGH.

8/24/72, 12/6/73, 11/11/73, 8/1/73, 11/26/72

I will have the house to myself for a few days in early November...I will be playing these at full volume.

Oh, and 7/18/72

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Re: Radio Surprise

Actually.. I'm not surprised at all. Someone involved with the All About Jazz website has taken some serious time to both listen to and provide some of the most informative reviews about GD music I have every read. And they seem to review just about anything that gets released and I think there are a lot of different members that went through the trouble to write reviews.

If you take a step back and think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Good to hear though.. great that similar sorts of people in the great state of Minnesota take some time out of their Jazz world to play and give praise to Grateful Dead music. Thanks DHB.

Bertha; TNF; Jazz

They just played a snippet of "Bertha," heading into the commercial break here in the 2nd quarter of tonight's TNF matchup between the Rams and the Seahawks. Anyone catch it? Apparently there's a Head on the FOX TNF production crew. We are everywhere.

I've never had a problem choosing between sports and rock and roll. It's always been both. Bill Walton comes to mind...

Here in Denver we are also blessed with 89.3 KUVO - Jazz. Most excellent. Whenever I go into another city (usually in another state) I get on an FM set and start searching out the local classic rock and jazz/blues stations.

When I was a kid in the 70's tons of AM stations played a great variety of music, but I avoid it now because it sounds like shit and is full of talk show extremists.

Be well everyone.

\m/

If you have an extra $45,000

If you have an extra $45,000 you can make a bid on Garcia's Guild Starfire 12 string guitar or his Gibson Mastertone banjo,in the original case. He used the guitar on a couple of gigs in 1969, Weir also played the guitar. You can also bid on Pig Pen's Fillmore East shirt, current bid is $4,000. Lots of other Grateful Dead items, auction runs until Oct 14th. You can see all the items online.

Bear's Ears Is Back

The national monument, not the recordist and chemist. Interior Sec. Deb Haaland announcing the reversal of the former guy's hack job on the environment and sacred lands. If you've never seen that part of Utah you owe it to yourself to see these holy places. Spent more time on the Grand Staircase (also restored) side of the highway, the Great Gallery, Kane Creek and Turkey Pen Ruin, and Fish Canyon ruins back in the day. The rock art is priceless.
Cheers!

re tfg

ftg

DaP 40 announcement ...

coming a little later than usual, as the St Louis box lands on our doorsteps?

I'd guess post-Oct 15, as it'll take another week for the luckiest among us. Got mine last night, will start in on the first show tonight.

Anniversary show 10/9/82. Frost Ampitheatre

39 years ago today, I was at the Frost Ampitheatre to see a great show with the Dead. I think this show is definitely releasable, so far no releases from the Frost, Greek or Ventura. Maybe they are saving up for a box set. Not all the shows from these venues were great, but there definitely were some really good ones.

Also an anniversary show....

....10.9.89. You know what I'm talking about. Stealth shows.
I'm still a little salty due to the fact I attended the Shoreline shows prior and the band decided not to bust out Dark Star in their home town.
I missed the Friday Shoreline show where they broke out Death Don't, but thats on me.

2-1-78 Chicago

Last week's Jam of the Week. Where do I know this from? Has this been on a release? Something clicked as I heard Donna laughing in the background and her patented scream (later in that song?). Did a shallow dig through the discs and the closest I came was 2-3-78 and 2-5-78 from Dick's Pick 18, Dane County. No wonder I liked it so much. I better keep digging. Maybe a bonus disc somewhere?

Grumpy Grumpkins has escaped his cave

I doubt they will ever release any Greek, Frost, or Ventura.

They would have released something from of those places by now.

Good chance they were lifted from the vault early on.

I came upon some coG

Tragic message was theirs

700k ain't too many eye gessss

"We've tasted blood
And we want more"

Ooooooookay.....

Don't be too grumpy...

I think the Vault has quite a few iconic shows tucked away, as well as tons of shows we attended and haven't heard squat from.

I'm not a natural optimist, but remember that Dave thinks the DaP series will go for 20 years. That's 100 shows, counting bonus disc. Plus he's putting out another 7-8 shows per year in a box. Another decade of boxes is another 80 shows.

All I'm saying is that, to accomplish that, Dave has to have a long-term plan, not just plucking the occasional show out of the Vault for release. I have no actual knowledge of his m.o., but it would seem to me he's got to come up with box themes that'll fly tape-wise and business-wise. So he may very well have Frost, Greek, Shoreline, Red Rocks (that's my personal desire) shows staying intact, under the radar, to enable future boxes.

Notice I didn't say something like, "Have patience..." because I want that Rocks box NOW!!

Just sayin', there's hope.

The Vault

GD renewed the 10-year contract with Rhino a couple of years ago and will probably renew for a third term when that time comes.
So, Greek, Frost, Ventura, and others will probably get sifted through for release.
But, Dave has the returned reels to deal with first.
I think that the 80’s DaP’s we have received so far were selected so that the ‘better’ 80’s shows can be used later when there are few pre-Brent shows remaining.

The Vault conversation, part XXIV...

So, Icecreamed, I'm curious why you say that Dave has to deal "first" with returned Bettys? I have openly speculated here that the initial plethora of ABCD-related releases in years just passed might reflect some arrangement with the gents who are ABCD to get the material out more or less immediately. Do you have any argument or evidence that that's true? Being sincere here, not snarky.

I say this because I note that only one reel in the St Louis box is from ABCD. I don't know how many reels per show were used, but is it safe to say more than 20 reels for 20 CDs' worth of music? So the St Louis box benefited from one returned reel but is by far mostly composed of reels they had in the Vault. Neither DaP 39 or 38 were from the ABCD stash.

So I'm genuinely wondering: if there is/was a deal with ABCD to get out those returned Bettys, did the initial slew of ABCD shows (spring '77, Red Rocks, etc.) in the past 2-3 (3-4?) years satisfy that agreement and now Dave is free to intersperse Vault shows with returned Bettys? That scenario seems kinda likely, in that I can imagine an ABCD deal as described above but not one that would shackle Dave for any length of time from freely choosing shows after an initial burst of ABCD releases.

I guess we can only speculate, as a confidentiality agreement probably exists.

As for speculation that we're being softened up to accept '80s shows on cassette -- a world of difference from a Betty, I think many would agree -- that is ... disturbing, to a degree. I'd probably keep subscribing even then, because as in this year, when Dave did '87 and '83 shows, he also gave us 9-73 and 4-78. The '73 shows are a must-hear, must-have for me. So I'd suck up a few '80s cassette shows to get what to me is the really good stuff. My storage situation reflects my personal approach: I've got prime shelf space in my office for '66 thru '75 GD. '76 thru '90s shows are in a tall oak bookshelf in the basement (along with 3/4s of my Jimi, all my Dylan, and other top artists, so no disrespect, just space issues).

Blah, blah, blah! My guess is that the ABCD agreement has passed its initial phase and we're now in potpourri territory. Yes, "potpourri territory"... mmm, need more coffee...

HF, speculation

My speculation regarding the rate of ABCD releases is based on the speculation I read on these boards. I have no additional knowledge.

Regarding the STL Box, in the seaside chat Dave explains how this Box came to be. I don’t recall the details but I think it was something like most of the shows had been selected for release at some time, and he wanted to do another regional Box, and this one came together at this time, although another Box could have also come.

I think that digitization of all the analog recordings (presumably starting with the best sound quality) is a constant process because getting digital copies stored in multiple locations is an insurance policy to keep the releases and revenue coming well into the future.
You don’t want to pull a Universal Music and lose everything in a fire.
So, I think that the library of digitized shows is constantly increasing and that Dave has an ever growing selection to choose from, and then he picks a show that appeals to him at the time. In seaside chats in the past he has said how he has more than one show in mind for an upcoming release, and then makes a decision for whatever reason.

Regarding 80-85 cassettes, we basically know what sounds good because you can get copies from the torrents. There are a lot of people who do want shows from those years released, but also a lot of people who will not buy them. The Rhino business plan may be to generate as much revenue as possible from the pre-Brent years while the people who only like those years are still alive and spending money.

This has all been speculated on in the past on these boards, and I’m just respeculating.

The USPS app says that my Box is out for delivery…..

ABCD/80s etc

They needed to get returns on their investments.
I believe I read there is a NDA?

Theory: using say just four years of DaP only with 20k subs at $100 per sub = $2Mil per year (not including extra ala carte $, boxes, aprons, hatchets etc)
So that’s 8 million in four years just for DaPs...
So my theory is that after production costs and corporate profit etc, it’s taken a few years to pay some or all of that investment off, thereby loosening things up a bit. I’m sure you’ll see ABCD reels being used more then less until their either mostly gone, or the shows aren’t up to par. Hey, a well recorded lousy show is still a lousy show...
As for 80s shows, I’ve said it all along: have 2 series!
I think you snobs would be surprised how well a series dedicated to 80s and 90s “cover band” shows would sell.
I think there’s a huge army of silent heads just waiting...GIANTS box anyone? Sold out way quicker then 78, 76, PNW or the current one!

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