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    18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

    We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

    For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

    Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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  • KeithFan2112
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    I didn't realize11/17/71 was so high on your list Doc. I'm sure I must have known it back when DaP 26 came out, but my memory is as bad as my hearing. What? Who are you?!

    For my part I hadn't heard this Albuquerque show until it was officially released. I was just hoping it was close in quality to the Road Trips show from 11/15. I wasn't disappointed. It's a doozy and pretty much cements Fall 1971 as my personal favorite year for The Other One without Crypticals. Jerry has that bluesy section in part 1 that's worth the price if admission. And the tapes sound great. The outro jams on Truckin' were second to none in those days. Also includes one of my favorite onstage Jerry quips after the false start on Sugaree: "these things take time....We're New Here". ​God bless him, he always sounded like he was having fun up there. I'm going to declare El Paso as a "deep cut" in this set list; Garcia is relentless with his fills. He could have sat back and played complimentary rhythm chords, but he just enjoyed playing too f@#%in much.

    I'm going to attempt to get in 11/17/72 and 11/17/73 as well today. Man I love that Wizard of Oz album cover.

  • daverock
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    What...no Grand Funk?

    Mr Ones - you didn't see Grand Funk Railroad, then? From what I have read about them, they could pop a few eardrums back in the day. Even Phil Lesh, in an early bid for old fartdom, has a pop at them on one of the 1971 shows in the new box. They were much hated by the British music press, too, A weird kind of recommendation to the likes of me.

    Maybe it was hype though. I can remember when Ted Nugent toured Britain around 1976-77, there was a promotional poster of him - Tarzan with a Gibson f-hole - and the legend "If it's too loud, your'e too old!" printed underneath. But I wasn't impressed. No more deafening than anyone else I had ever heard.

    Incidentally, I notice the Blue Oyster Cults box set of albums on Columbia has been re-released recently. That includes one of my all time favourite American hard rock albums - "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees". I've jus ordered a copy to catch up on their latter labums from those years.

  • Forensicdoceleven
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    50 years ago today…….

    November 17, 1971
    Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, Albuquerque, New Mexico

    Set 1: Truckin'-Sugaree-Beat It On Down The Line-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Jack Straw-Deal-Playing In The Band-Cumberland Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-You Win Again-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

    Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

    Deadicated to Strider Brown, because memory is a net full of holes, the most beautiful prizes slip through it…..

    And all around is the desert; a corner of the mournful kingdom of sand…….

    A very fine show and another personal favorite. I’ve advocated for this show for decades, and always hoped a good FM or SBD copy would someday magically appear. Yes, until that day came, at least once a year I would break out my old, not-entirely-but-almost-unlistenable copy and revisit it. Strong playing, good songs, nice jams. Highly recommended, especially now that it’s available in impeccable sound quality!!!

    You should not see the desert simply as some faraway place of little rain. There are many forms of thirst……

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    The rules of survival never change, whether you're in a desert or in an arena…..

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    First One:
    Jimi Hendrix - Love&Peace Festival, Isle of Fehmarn - September 6, 1970
    My only memories are about the audience, was too young

    Last One:
    High South - Downtown Blues-Club, Hamburg, March 08, 2020

    Loudest One:
    Probably Rory Gallagher - Macht der Nacht Musikzelt, Hamburg, November 15,1987
    Rory was so drunken, he starts playing La Bamba 20--30 times during his set
    And maybe 10 or more Marshall stacks behind him. Saw him 10-15 times but this show was
    the loudest and disappointing one.

  • Mr. Ones
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    Let the games continue

    My first concert was canceled as we pulled onto the parking lot. Freedom Jam ‘75, was to feature Eric Clapton, Santana, Pure Prairie League, and at least 2 other bands I can’t remember. As we were about to make a left turn into the parking lot, we saw the line of people waiting to gain entrance(at least 6 people wide) do an about face and start walking away. This concert was at Baltimore’s Memorial Stadium(home of the Colts & Orioles). Apparently, a HUGH wind gust blew in and proceeded to blow the entire stage and equipment down to the ground. What a disappointment!! A few months later, I saw The Outlaws, Jay Ferguson Band, and Seatrain. It wasn’t quite the same level of excitement, but 1,500 shows later, it was a start.
    The loudest is easy. 2nd runner-up goes to The Allman Brothers(I was unfortunately close to stage monitors). Runner up is Black Sabbath at the Baltimore Civic Center in 1978(Van Halen opened!!). My ears were fuzzy for 2 days, I had second row seats. But in a nod to DAVEROCK(thanks for backing up the description I’ve been giving for years), Deep Purple was SO LOUD, it took me 3-4 minutes to discern what song they were playing(Highway Star, which I knew VERY well). And this was on their Mk.3 reunion tour in ‘85(‘86??). I was at least 15-20 rows back. Holy shit, how could anyone play THAT LOUD!!

    Live, love, music!!

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    Who Wasn’t Loudest…

    Saw The Who (@Forest Hills) and Jefferson Airplane (@Capital Theatre, Port Chester) both in 1971.

    The Who was loud (5th row), but JA was painfully loud (way in the back).

    I remember putting my fingers in my ears it felt so bad.

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    Motorhead sometime in the 90s left me deaf for 2 days.
    On honeymoon in 2014 went to pay homage at Fillmore. Saw The War On Drugs- too loud for my wife's delicate ears. To me it was loud but not deafening. We left early. No lasting effects. We're still married......

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    The initial gigs I saw, between 1972 and 1975, when I still lived with my parents, were all deafening. It was part of the buzz - music that was felt rather than heard, and that denied rational explanation or understanding. Black Sabbath and Uriah Heep were particularly punishing, but the prize for over the top volume has to go to Deep Purple in 1974. I can remember them taking the stage in semi darkness - shadowy figures with hair down to their knees. A drum roll...a screetch from an amp...then the lights came on and I was accosted by the most violent explosion I had ever heard in my life. This was them playing something off one of their albums. It was too loud to tell exactly what, but after a while my ears adjusted and I could make some sense of it. This pattern was repeated throughout the night. "Did you have a nice time, dear?" "What?"

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    The Who were by far the loudest Band I've ever experienced. Extremely loud!!! Show at the Festhalle, Frankfurt on Aug. 11, 1972.

    Last Show: Warren Haynes, Batschkapp, Frankfurt, June 6, 2019.

    BTW, saw Warren Haynes in 1983 with DAC in northern Germany and same year in Tulsa, OK (Cain's Ballroom).

    G.

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    Bigbrownie you remind me my family went to musicals in SF and at the Theater in the Round in San Carlos, way before I saw my first rock show. Oliver, The Pajama Game, Brigadoon, etc.

    Loudest show is a toss up between Los Lobos in the relatively small SF Fillmore, and Neil Young at the Cow Palace in 1976. The Lobos are such a loud band, three guitars, and the sound just bounces around the small hall, such cacophony! I swore I would only see the Lobos outdoors after that. The Lobos are great outdoors, I saw them at Hardly Strictly, High Sierra Music Festival, Marin County Fair, and Stearn Grove.

    Neil was with Crazy Horse. We were ushering, so we could sit in the huge Cow Palace and hear them sound check. At one point, as the band were playing, Neil's guitar dropped out of the mix, and boy you could tell he was laying out huge loud crunch, the rest of the band sounded like a wind up toy!

    Saw X at the Geary Street church when it was doing shows occasionally. They were pretty loud too.

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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I'll admit that I'm always late to the party, but has someone already asked why the set lists aren't listed above in the usual manner? I've looked them up of course courtesy of Mr. Google, but I prefer to be able to quickly jump to the lists on this site when someone here mentions a specific song or sequence of songs.

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So is it one complete show and most of the other night or Two incomplete shows? They mention its almost complete. So what do you leave off?
Subscription offer for 2022 should be soon.

This is 10 minutes down the road from where i live. I regularly go past the gates but have never been the other side. If Jiminmd pops over my way I'm sure Olivia could be 'persuaded' to sell up

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50 years ago today…..

October 22, 1971
Auditorium Theater, Chicago, Illinois

Set 1: Bertha-Me and My Uncle-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-Loser-Playing in the Band-Sugaree-Beat It On Down the Line-Black Peter-Mexicali Blues-Cold Rain and Snow-Me and Bobby McGee-Comes a Time-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Cumberland Blues-That's It for the Other One>Deal-Sugar Magnolia-Casey Jones-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Gainesville, leedesj, drpryan, andoverdeadhead, estimated-eyes, fourwindsblow, Thin, JeffSmith, DeadVikes, and Mr. Ones, because why not?

As writers and readers, as sinners and citizens, our realism and our aesthetic sense make us wary of crediting the positive note……

No wariness here. This is a relatively unknown but very positive show. A show of apparent contrasts---a solid, fourteen song first set, followed by a seemingly short second set…..

However, with that being said, if you’d like to hear a really fine late 71 Other One, here you go!!

LOL, one of my October 71 guilty pleasures. The other, we’ll discuss on the 29th……….

Rock on!!!

Doc
Many of the insights of the saint stem from their experience as sinners…..

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5/5/78 was shared in it's entirety back when Taper's Section permitted downloading. So, the 1st set board does indeed float about. Alas, they were 192 kbps mp3s.

-edit- Oh, you really mean actual tape! I see it's on archive already, too. haha lol

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US Blues encore from 2nd night.

I always thought Victim was a cool song. Caught one of the early versions at Buckeye Lake in 1988. The crowd reaction was priceless. This song actually frightened people. Not every song has to be light and joyful like Sugar Magnolia or Touch of Grey. It was dark and sinister and was a great point of tension and release in the setlist show pacing.

The only songs I never really warmed up to were Wave To The Wind, I Fought The Law (I caught the 1st and it was the booby prize of the cancelled 1st night blizzard show) and Samba In The Rain which Jerry never nailed.

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I'm on my way. Please tell Olivia I should make tea time and I'm interested in one or more of her garden gnomes.

Honestly.. after reading up, this has got to be one of the coolest places.

Edit: Oh, tell her not to worry, I am fully vaxed and quite harmless. :D

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Was over at the Jerry site and surprised that the JGB album being released in vinyl isn't sold out yet. I KNOW if I got up at 5 in the morning to stand in line on RSD, it be sold out by the time I got to the front of the line!!

I really need to see how the "box set is wrapped with textured paper". What could that texture be???

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I don't know.. I plan to study it then lick one of the corners.. then wait an hour and see what happens.

Didn't they release this on 180 gram already like 5 or 6 years ago or something?

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One is a pathetic ripoff the other, the boys making up for lost cash with an ok presentation
Sorry as Mick said in ‘89 when Bill left “ oh if Charlie left that would be the end “

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50 years ago today…..

October 23, 1971
Eastown Theater, Detroit, Michigan

Set 1: Bertha-Playing In The Band-Loser-Mexicali Blues-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Big Railroad Blues-El Paso-Ramble On Rose-Me And Bobby McGee-Cumberland Blues-Brokedown Palace-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Casey Jones-Me And My Uncle-Tennessee Jed-Sugar Magnolia-Comes A Time-Truckin'-Brown-Eyed Women-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

This is deadicated to Jay Carstens…..

“The word tonight is easy going, you know how it is………….”

And easy going it was. While there’s no “big jam”, it’s still a fine and enjoyable show. The new material is nicely on display, a very Bakersfield kind of show, relatively unknown and underappreciated, definitely worthy of a listen, and with no hint of what would be unleashed the following evening……

Rock on!!

Doc
…..but it also turned out to be hell……

I was at the live show included . They were going even faster than I was. Bit frigging expensive, though.

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I ordered the 10 lp collection of Joni Mitchell's archive set. Suppose to come around end of month. Got an email pushed back to 2/15/22,,, okay. Yesterday I get an email saying it has been shipped,,,, wow i think. Then I examine the email closer,,,, not the lp's coming but 7x7 inch poster which comes with the box set!!!

Really,,, they're doing a separate mailing for the "art print"!!!!!

You just have to shake your head at somethings that happen :-)

But Jerry is still on track!!! (they had the textured paper in stock)

I do love a box set, but some of them do include an awful lot of tat. Art prints, posters-worst of all fascimiles of tickets from long gone gigs you never went to. I'm not 15 years old for chrissake. No disrespect intended to 15 year olds who may be reading
And not meaning necessarily to diss you're art print, Dennis, which might be an exception to the rule.

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tried it, says it is the wrong numb er and to get in touch with the sender, so, ..... when will this be shipped? when was it suppose to be shipped? is there shipping going on in here, shipping I say shipping so shipping is by ups not usps, will it be delivered to my mail box or to front door? just wondering if I will ever see this release.

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Did you get a shipping notice from dead.net or a UPS notification?

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50 years ago today………….

Skullfuck aka The Skull Album aka Skull & Roses was released………..

Bertha [4/27/71]-Mama Tried [4/26/71]-Big Railroad Blues [4/5/71]-Playing In The Band [4/6/71]-The Other One [4/28/71]-Me & My Uncle [4/29/71]-Big Boss Man [4/26/71]-Me & Bobby McGee [4/27/71]-Johnny B. Goode [3/24/71]-Wharf Rat [4/26/71]-Not Fade Away/Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad [4/5/71]

The expanded version released in 2003 includes “Oh Boy” and “Hog For You Baby” from the Manhattan Center show of April 6, 1971, as well as a short radio spot. Organ overdubs performed by Merl Saunders were used on Bertha, Playing In The Band, and Wharf Rat. Recording by Betty Cantor and Bob Matthews, artwork by Alton Kelly, photography by Bob Seidemann. It was the first Grateful Dead album to be certified “Gold” by the RIAA.

IMHO, a very fine live album, which we loved dearly and played the ever-loving sh*t out of. But, as fine as it was and is, could it have been better? Maybe. Could’ve done without the drum solo. Why no Hard To Handle? Where was the Morning Dew? And could you imagine IF this has been a 3 record set? That would have been crazy, man, crazy!!!!

A remastered 50th anniversary edition was released on June 25, 2021. It did not include the bonus tracks that were found on the 2003 re-issue. However, it did include a bonus disc with material from the July 2, 1971 Fillmore West show. GREAT BIG THANKS!!!

This was the first 1971 live Dead we ever heard, and it sounded mighty fine! And yes, rockers, I still listen to it, it’s been part of the soundtrack to my entire adult life…………

Rock on!!

Doc
Erudition - dust shaken out of a book into an empty skull…..

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50 years ago today…..

October 24, 1971
Eastown Theater, Detroit, Michigan

Set 1: Sugar Magnolia-Deal-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Playing In The Band-Black Peter-Candyman-One More Saturday Night-Casey Jones

Set 2: Truckin'-Ramble On Rose-Mexicali Blues-Dark Star>Me And Bobby McGee-Cumberland Blues-St. Stephen-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to FLH, DarklordBerto, dewajack, docmarty, m-skjellyfetti, Cousins Of The Pioneers, simonrob, lycanthrope51, snafu, and otheronerat, because it was a day of rest……..

Super rare Sugar Mags to kick it off. Fine mid first set China/Rider. Unusual, two back-to-back Garcia songs in the first set. Solid Truckin’ to open the second set. Excellent 71 Dark Star, possibly Latvala’s favorite of the year (10/24/71 Dark Star: Killer. “He loved this Dark Star and thought it was out of place for 1971, feeling more like 1969.”).

You don’t hear a lot about this show, but there’s certainly a lot to like here…….

What is the good of your stars and trees, your sunrise and the wind, if they do not enter into our daily lives?

Rock on!!

Doc
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Oft stumbles at a straw…..

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Doc, I agree with you, it is really a great live album. I wish they would have included a version of Easy Wind. Like you say, a third album added to the release would have been great.

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Last 5:
John Coltrane-A Love Supreme-Live In Seattle
Shawn Phillips-Second Contribution
Pink Floyd-The Wall
Paul McCartney-Run Devil Run
10/18/72

Hadn’t played The Wall front to back in ages. Still enjoyable. Not ready for Dave’s 40, I have 1 more 72 show, and 2 ‘73’s yet to go.

Music is Life!!

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Argent Encore
Gentle Giant Playing the Fool
Grateful Dead SSDD (CD)
Yes Time & A Word
Pink Floyd Animals

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I like these - so here's mine

Complete Motown Singles 1967 - cd36 Various
Psychedelic Soul The Temptations
Starday Custom Series cd3 Various
Live in Vancouver 11/5/2000 The Cramps
Michigan Box 1950s and 1960s Oddball Labels cd3 Various

Last Dead was Live in Paris 9/18/74 on Saturday.

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I predict today will be the announcement for early bird pricing & the show will be 5/26/77, of course I could be wrong. Next Monday is November first which means 30 Days of November starts.

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8-4-76 Roosevelt Stadium
Led Zep - IV
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Pronounced
Ace - An Ace Album
5-17-77 - Tuscaloosa

Paul Carrack of Ace, Mike & The Mechanics, others? Great vocalist. I think he won a Grammy or two.

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Heard this guy last night James Booker. Piano player, never heard of him,,, did a cover of Eleanor Rigby,,, great.

Anyone out there know his work and maybe have a good collection of it,,,, I'd take some if available.

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St Louis Box
Zappa Little Dots
Zappa’s Last U S show ‘ 88
JGB w Clarence Clemons
Tattoo You box
The new Dead box was fun I’m going back for another run

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.... maybe most have heard.

Jerry Garcia playing with James Booker.

Very, Very Nice.

do a search for 'James Booker with Jerry Garcia - Slowly But Surely'

anyone have this rehearsal practice?

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Anyone else get a shipping notification? I’m still waiting for mine…….

Anyone? Anyone?

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First time playing this game:

GD: 10/29/73

The Ronnie Wood Band: Mr. Luck

The Flatlanders: Treasure of Love

George Harrison: All Things Must Pass 50th

Paul Kantner/Jefferson Starship: Blows Against the Empire

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Been pretty burned out on Dead, but managed to get Docs 10/71 shows in.
Letting the box sit for a bit before we have at again…

Been listening to a lot of jazz.
Have 3 Bill Evans albums I never really checked out, now our new regular go to picks!
Also some Soul Jazz; mix of Idris Muhammad, and a mix of Grover Washington jr.
Kind of a blur?… Coltrane Live at Birdland, Tribute to Jack Johnson, Cannonball Adderley Something Else, Dexter Gordon Go, Round Midnight Soundtrack, too many to remember? McCoy Tyner, Charles Mingus, Charlie Hunter, Horace Silver…?

Really looking forward to 40 for something completely different!

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I would give it until Wednesday, then notify marye.

the electronic mice might have chewed into your order.

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Thanks man. You’re right, it’s the Gremlins

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Guided by Voices - Propeller
Gary Burton Quartet and Eberhard Weber - Passengers
Millie Jackson - It Hurts So Good
Old time music at Clarence Ashley's Vol 2
Dave's Picks 38 - Sept. 73

Good weekend mix. Looking forward to Dave's 40 - maybe next weekend?

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King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard: I’m in Your Mind Fuzz
The Meters: Gettin’ Funkier All the Time
Grateful Dead: 12/10/71 from StL box
Roy Hargrove: The Vibe
Colin Davis/Dresden: Berlioz Overtures

Who’s the greatest band around, makes the cats jump up and down?

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Don Leady - Cumbia meets the blues
The Jimmie Vaughan story
Evan Johns - Panoramic life
Freda and the Firedogs
The Cobras - Live & deadly

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First time trying this out as well

The Blues Brothers - Briefcase Full of Blues
Wilson Pickett - Hey Jude
The Equatics - Doin' It!!!
Grateful Dead - 9/18/90 Bonus Disc
The Police - Reggatta De Blanc

Still waiting on a shipping confirmation for DaP 40 - I've noticed that I usually get my tracking # around the day of the official release which is a bit disappointing but I assume it's because the SF Bay Area is much closer to the warehouses in SoCal and as such they prioritize orders from further away. Hope to receive it soon and hope everyone's having a great start to their week :)

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GD 10-18-72
Manuel Ponce 3 Preludes
Villa-Lobos Prelude No. 3
Antonio Vivaldi Concerto in D Major for Guitar
J.S. Bach Chaconne BWV 1004 (Segovia Transcription)

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GD 10-19-72
Lynyrd Skynyrd 8-21-76
GD 10-17-72
Steve Miller 8-3-77
GD 12-10-71

GD 10-30-73 is playing now.

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Anyone ever listen to the Charlie Miller Audience tape.... "Space" out of drums and into Playing has the funkiest 8 minute infectious, feet tapping jam i have ever heard.... Not deep space or jazzy... doesn't sound like anything else to compare it to.... calypso feeling... bob t

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GD 9/2/83 2nd disk great.
David allen Coe
Sabbath bloody sabbath
Ozzy-live speak of the devil
Arlo Guthrie-Woodstock.
Bonus- criterion-the complete Monterey pop festival.

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Comes with a bonus disc, right? If so, I'm going with 10-2-77, paired with 10-1. Should be able to get most of 10-1, too as 10-2 is a shorter gig. Being 1977, it'll attract a lot of folks to subscribe. That said, we are overdue for some 1969.

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