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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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May 21, 2020 - 5:57am

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Dennis

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Make Believe Ballroom

Was a radio show for many years on WNEW radio NY. I gather it started about 1935, movie was made under that title in 49. Steve Allen ran the show for a while also.

Goog the name. The things we can learn here.
May 21, 2020 - 3:27am

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bob t

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8/13/75 great choice

This tape is what pulled me in. It's interesting if you have ever heard the full intro, where Bill Graham talks about Ron Rakow and his bet with him that he was being paid 50$. It is right after, "We welcome you on behalf of the group".... After listening to the intro version of one from the vault and what I had on my Make Believe Ballroom tape, it just sounds weird because the intro is awesome!! bob t
May 21, 2020 - 1:49am

#7133

daverock

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8/13/75 on the radio

An hour of this show was broadcast on British radio sometime late in 1975. Consequently, my first Dead tape.
May 20, 2020 - 10:34pm

#7134

The Good Ole G…

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Make Believe Ballroom

Good stuff!

JIMINMD - Make Believe Ballroom pretty “famous” early bootleg record of 8/13/75 from the Amazing Kornyfone Record Label.

I think they fetch a pretty penny from collectors these days.

Cool info here - http://www.gratefulseconds.com/2018/02/?m=1

Fun Discussions tonight all.

Good info and Good tunes tomorrow.

Until then be well
May 20, 2020 - 10:07pm

#7135

DeadVikes

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8/13/75

Yes, this is the ticket for tomorrow.

Oroborous, appreciate the information.

Sounds like I am not in the league of your customers, which is okay. I am more of the pub links player. Anyway, at a minimum it sounds like I should invest in a new router and modem with the extra Wifi connections around the house.

Do you wonder why I like the old school wired system playing CDs.

Do you know how much time I have spent on the phone with Sonos customer service??
May 20, 2020 - 9:05pm

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JimInMD

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Ha.. Re: Net Wiring

Aren't we all geeks in our own way? I couldn't help but read that whole post, much of it lost on me.

But it lead me to a conclusion. Correct.. Oro, you are not an IT professional. ..but perhaps a bot. not a Russian Bot or a Facebook Bot.. our own SF peace bot.

I mean that in the most respectful way, hope I did not offend. In a way, Oroborous.. you are all we have in our freak fight against the tyrannists and enemies. We need our own bot.

Sorry for the diversion. Again, meant with the utmost respect and hopefully a perceived tread of good nature and humor.

Cousins, thanks for that info.. So that's the source of that language on my tape. Does anyone know the source? The Great American Music Hall is not called the Make Believe Ballroom, right? Was this just a clever name for a bootleg LP to get it past the TM and Copyright folks? There must be another half of this story.

I guess it doesn't matter if we don't solve this riddle, but how on earth did that LP get it's name?

Nite all.
May 20, 2020 - 7:48pm

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Oroborous

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Re: Deadvikes/net wiring

To those not interested, please skip and except my apologies

First, disclaimer: I am not a IT, computer, or network professional, in fact, when it comes to computers I’m way behind the curve. That being said, I am a custom AV professional which usually requires installing commercial grade networks in the home. I’ve done hundreds over the years. So I have a lot of experience using many AV products both wireless and hard wired. Why, because when you have home automation, Lighting, HVAC, Pool/spas, Security, AV, gaming, WiFi and more on one home network that’s a lot of bandwidth, no matter how many MBS/gigs your paying for. Your network is the foundation that all your net gear lives and depends on. You wouldn’t build your house on a cardboard foundation so you shouldn’t build your network on a insufficient one either!
SONOS: you are correct that one of the main selling points for Sonos or any of the “wireless” audio products is reasonable stability over WiFi (of course always depending on service. Just like your water main the pipe is only so big)...the biggest of all reasons Sonos is ahead of the pack is their user interface. So with decent service you can certainly enjoy over WiFi, but like you mentioned if everyone is on line at the same time it’s like having every water facet and toilet going at once...,the pipe is only so big...streaming of course is the biggest drain of all.
I won’t get all in on the phsycics, and I’d probably do a lousy job, but generally, a properly hardwired connection is going to be better: faster, less latency, more BW, and certainly more stable/reliable. I’ve seen situations where the IT guy had me disconnect a HW feed and use a meshed WAP, but that’s mostly because the WiFi gear was new, robust, and of course somewhat oversold lol. The wiring and switches were ancient crap....I may have been trying to use only four conductors which limits you to only 10/100. But that’s only happened a few times in 13 years!
By comparison our nets are at least 1-5 gig capable, but our bigger new jobs have been 10 gig to try and future proof (as much as that’s possible anymore). Often these start getting into fiber, But I digress...
Also, even if it’s not that time of day when the whole neighborhood is sucking on basically the same pipe, I’m sure you’ve still experienced huge speed drops, latency, and even severe buffering etc when the whole family is using all those wireless devices. So the more things you can take off WiFi and hardwire, the more those HW devices will benefit from the “bigger pipe” that the wire usually provides, but at the same time, the devices that are still over WiFi will also work better because removing streaming devices off essentially provides “more pipe” for the remaining WiFi devices.
It’s all about the pipe baby: bigger, faster, stronger...
The last job I was on before the VID was over 10K Square foot house. It has Comcast gig plus service, using an upgraded surfboard modem, 4 port commercial Router, 4- 48 port Poe switches, Ruckus Zone Director to air traffic control bandwidth where need via the 16 commercial grade Ruckus WAPs (all hardwired on cat five or better). All critical infrastructure gear is on Bluebolts for remote ip monitoring and rebooting.
Besides the 16 Crestron hardwired touchscreens, there are probably a dozen iPads for control of all house subsystems. The 20+ cameras are now all nest over wifi which is a huge bandwidth drain, but that’s what the owner wanted. Throw in all the personal devices of the owners and up to 15 guests, and six in house servants and five large equipment racks of gear (even amplifiers now are ip controlled) and that’s a shit ton of bandwidth. A normal home network would not function!
Obviously I assume most folks don’t have those needs, but the infrastructure methodology is the same.

So for a “typical” house (there is no such thing but for simplicity)
- Best pipe (service) you can get. Preferably on fiber or Coax if possible.
- Buy your own upgraded modem. For a couple hundred bucks that you’ll make up by not renting one.
- Research and get best Router you can
- Use strategic placement of WAPs over full cat 5 or better. Six is the norm, but we sometimes pull cat 7, 8, and/or fiber.
This depends on how many floors, walls, building materials etc, square footage. Like much of this too much is better than not enough. Think brick shithouse from BITD...
Usually the cat for your phones all homerun back to your headend or main distribution point. Depending on where that is and if there’s adequate power nearby, you can place all your gear there, or if possible, place a robust net switch there. Obviously for switch size you’ll need to figure out how many devices you’ll want to H.W. depending on how May wires you have. It’s usualky much easier to have at least enough Poe ports to power WAPs (make sure you’ll have enough wattage). You can find all kinds of wall trim to terminate similar to how your phone or net are trimmed on your walls, or if long enough wire just terminate RJ 45 etc. You’ll need to terminate all the ends at the net switch. A decent cable tester is a real help to ensure proper terminations. Inevitably you’ll need to test from end to end using all wires and splices/connections.
So you have your service feed to your modem, a net cabl from modem to router, router to your switch or switches, and your WAPs hardwired to your switch (s). If done properly using good gear (find gear with specks way above what you think you need, it can be money well spent, remember, your trying to build a brick shithouse, not a cheap tent! ), you can make your network more robust, stable and therefore enjoyable! It’s like buying a car with a big engine, you don’t akways need it but when you do and you put the hammer down, you’ll be glad you have that headroom.
Obviously many folks dont need so much, but even a additional switch with hardwired devices out of your provider modem can help when supply is getting stretched thin.
No matter how big or small or what your needs are, always hardwire when possible! That’s what I’ve found works best, cause it’s all about the pipe!
Hope this is understandable and helps. Sorry if I didn’t explain well.
May 20, 2020 - 7:42pm

#7138

Cousins Of The…

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8/13/75

Jim, my first exposure to it was the Make Believe Ballroom LP on the TAKRL label
May 20, 2020 - 7:22pm

#7139

Gollum

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8/13/75

in the queue...
May 20, 2020 - 7:21pm

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JimInMD

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Hampton 87 & 8/13/75

Made that run too.. I think there are several of us here that must have shared a fatty or a bowl at some point over the last 35 years.

So are we doing One From the Vault next? My first tape of this was labeled "Make Believe Ballroom." Not sure where that came from or how common it was.

So I decided if we are doing 3/24/90 I would re-order it and do it right.. which is where I still am. I did roast a good amount of kind Ethiopian Coffee and unfortunately spent a ton of time on the phone with USPS. Back to finally getting my Knick exactly perfect. Whoever mentioned the Mind Left Body.. my two favorites are 10/18/73 and 3/24/90. On the latter, Jerry and Brent are in the middle of a serious mind meld. It's amazing and Brent really does fill in the gaps, almost exactly perfectly. Always one of my favorite late era shows. Amazing.

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Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

No Box, Today's Pick

Hopefully we will all have our boxes by the end of this week or sooner.

As we continue to wait, how does 7/21/72 sound to you all? This was download series #10.

DS #10

I recently checked that show out and it snuck up on me how good it was! I think I actually went back and spun it a couple more times on account of that. A definite sleeper pick in my opinion.

Hang in there folks

It seems to be showing up most places sorta on time, and trust me, it’s worth the wait.
Oh, and GO VIKES!
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to prep for a date with a garden hose mañana...

7/21/72 - Great Pick!

I never got the Download Series releases, which based on this show, I should remedy soon! Whew! Great stuff! The Playin' is particularly strong, though everything I heard (almost all of set 1) is stellar.

I believe that big online box-store has all of the DL series to stream for "free" if you pay for their Primeum service... at least that is how I was listening to it, though I see now that there is a Charlie Miller on the Archive - it is just not the source that pops up simply by searching the date. Anyway, great pick! I plan on enjoying set two when I get home this evening.

Tracking tells me I should have a box arriving tomorrow by 7. Fingers crossed! I am really looking forward to this :)

Peace

Otis

Otis, check your PM.

PMs

Are they working again?

Ha.. holy hell, my label just got created for this most excellent box set. No delivery time mentioned. Dead.net why do you mock me so...

PMs

Well, I think I sent one. I guess we will see.

Glad you got a label created email Jim.

Waiting...

I've waiting this long, what's another couple weeks... :D

12/6/73

Bonus disc...
Well the bastids didn’t kill me this time.
Man that propofol is good sheet man!
I asked the gas passer if I could get some to go and he laughed.
So since I was still enjoying the ride when I got home I figured that awesome 12/6/73 Dark Star was in order!

I might try and start in on round 2 of the box shows with stuff from that list for extra credit...

PMs

Appear to be working Jim. I sent one yesterday and received one back today.

Oroborous, are you thinking the bonus disc for RT4. 3?

Jim

Check your PM.

Re: Propofol

You're right about that.. I had a procedure done this spring and woke up feeling (excuse the cliché) groovy. Whatever they used to use decades ago had all kinds of not so pleasant side effects (sodium pentothal?).

So did the anesthesia upgrade get phased in at about the same time as crisp digital soundboards began to replace our sometimes hissy and/or audience tapes?

Cool. PM's are working again.

7/21/72

This release, I agree with others is fantastic. I remember the first time I heard it I was thinking if someone put this show on and you didn't know when it was from, you might have a hard time coming up with July 72. The playing is top notch and the sound quality is A+. Great versions of Sugaree, BTW, China-Rider, Stella Blue. Second set brings it home, the Other One stands out. The bonus tracks from 7/22/72 are also worth a listen.

Okay, moving on to 73 bonus disc.

The Quintet

Saw the last Phil show of the three night run at Port Chester last night.
Mofos can still bring it!
My suggestion for POTD (if yer not suffering from new box coma lol) is to stream it on Fans, it’s worth the 20 bucks.

Mr Jimmy

Sodium pentathol lol, isn’t that what they use on death row?
What the hell kinda medicine do they practice in those woods ; )

But seriously I’ve known folks who have an awful time with anesthesia, fortunately, I haven’t met a drug yet that I didn’t like lol.

Hey, did you get yer box yet?

Congrats to DV, I see you got yers,, enjoy amigo, we’ll see ya on the other side!

In The Back Woods...

Moonshine works.. Bite on the branch of a beech tree if they have to set a bone.

What ever they were using 30+ years ago was the brown acid cousin of the stuff they put you under with today. Now that we've got that settled.... it's got a Cumberland.

Box Set

Hey Oroborous, yes, it showed up yesterday. Decided to go with the first 72 show today. Spectacular! Man, we continue to be a lucky bunch they recorded all these shows. Unreal.

Still up for picks if you guys are?

Must have been fun to see Phil out there in CO. Lucky guy.

And we get a Dave's Picks #40 announcement tomorrow. Any thoughts?

Will Dave give us two 80 releases in a row like last year? Hard to know. I think we have a chance for 1980.
I do think we will see 10/2/77 released for Dave's Picks #41.

Looks like Tuesday afternoon for me.

So I will take advantage of some down time and revisit some of the shows tossed out here the last couple weeks that I missed...

Well, we’ll, well,

You can never tell…
Didn’t see that coming lol,
Technically a 90s, but really another 80s.
Bet that’ll whip up some whining! Lol

JIM, Sorry, hopefully I didn’t sound critical, I thought you were being humorous and trying to put one past us!
Music maybe the best as Mr Ones would say, but laughter needs to be right up there with it!!
PS, it’ll be worth the wait, I think you especially are gonna love the Box.

DV: I’m still gorging on Fox. Working fuel for building a bed. Put our big log bed in guest room so have been sleeping on a “temporary” plywood pallet for almost 3 years…my other half said if I didn’t get this done by thanksgiving I’d be sleeping in the garage!
Well it snowed, and its winter here already, and it’s cold in that garage, so I better get to it, hup, hup!

Gonna jump on the Doc 71 train again next week, but starting back to work so not sure what my listening situation will be. I really need to get a personal set up. Not only to dig more/better dead, but to drown out the construction racket. Man I hate construction jobs. Give me a nice big empty mansion with some whole house audio system any day!

No worries on my end

Enjoying the banter as always...

Oroborous

Snow already out there! It didn't make out to us yet, which is okay. You don't want to end up in the garage.
Been super busy the last couple of days with work and family, hoping to continue to listen to the new box. Loving it.
Surprised Dave's 40 hasn't sold out yet. What a great way to end October.
So, what are the two other big things that are going to happen in 2021??
I hope it wasn't the garden club stuff.

Stay well out there.

Sodium Pentothal

the only time I ever had triple vision. I see why they call it "truth serum" I had no problem telling everyone and anyone what I thought about anything, including them, unfortunately, being a sodium pentothal a hole only brought the cops who did not act kindly when I told them what I though about them... but that's another story.

DV

The 2 things remaining for 2021 are:
1) 2022 subscription
2) 30 Days of Dead

Unless Dave surprises us with a stealth release. Which would be awesome.

I didn’t see any GD on the Black Friday RSD release list. But there is still enough time to add something.

Today's Pick

Need a change of peace before I go back to the new box.

Billy the Kid mentioned this show that he was at and it sounded like one we should check out. 10/20/78. This one is for you Billy. Must have been a blast.

Conekid, I think Dave said in addition to the Dave's Picks? But who knows, I think we are done with any other music release this year after we get Dave's #40, which I am excited about.

ice cream kid

don't forget 31 days of december and the last 2 45's are coming in November

and like the DaP glasses I have all the 45's!!!!

The 45's make a great bragging point when I go to the local biker bar. Some guy will rave about his 52 pan head, or I got a 64 knuckle head. I always come back with, yeah, but I got all of the grateful dead's 45's,,,, so there!

Missed

Missed the last two glasses. Oh well..

But Dennis

The bikers respond, “you don’t have a turntable”.

I also didn’t have a turntable.
But then 2-27-69 came out on vinyl and I was able to get a copy. So then I had to get a turntable.

10/20/78

This is a fantastic show. Five dancing bears! Definitely worth a listen for those that have not heard it. Two song encore. I won't ruin it for you, but I can't remember too many shows that ended like this one. The Dead always maintained the mantra of not being a greatest hits band, that is for sure.

Billy the Kid, great time to be at these shows!

Just dipping my big toe into the big box

Starting the second set of 12/10/71 now. Incredible music on these CDs... can't wait for the rest.

I will hit 10/20/78 when I come up for air.

First world problems, I know.. too much great music to occupy my time. Thanks for keeping it all going you guys (and gals???). It's been a really weird week here.. call it spooktober, I don't know.. but the planets seem slightly misaligned and life is tossing curveballs. Such is life, at least we've got this newly delivered sonic nectar from the gods.

ice cream, stuff yet to come

.... just when I thought that was it for the end of the year,,,,, the Garcia album drops!!

BTW - when the biker mentioned the lack of a turntable, I cut em three ways, wide, deep and repeatedly. (old richard pryor line!)

Hey!! I resemble that remark

I have been keeping up on the really good LP's.. but no space to set up my turntable.

Perhaps this thread will pick up again after we get our first listen in for #40. We are busy preparing and digesting the harvest.. and what a harvest it is.

Vinyl calling me

I might need to order Light Into Ashes.
That sequence sounds so awesome on CD.
But, the thought of it being broken up into 4 album sides has made me a little hesitant.

Got my DaP 40 shipping notice today.

Get The Vinyl

...just for the sound! So much smoother and more powerful, especially the bass. There seems to be better staging, a more open sound too. If I had a super high quality CD player it might be different, but I always prefer the sound of good vinyl. Crappy vinyl, I'm probably better off with a CD as I have proven to myself replacing some old chestnuts with new CDs. But to your point the disruptions between album side flips is annoying and there is even a start-over on one flip of a couple of minutes of material. That one felt weird for sure. I should have gotten the 5 LP whole show on vinyl is my current regret. Cheers

Advice taken

Vinyl ordered.

Wonder how long it will take to arrive.

vinyl - Light Into Ashes

I'm very glad I got it. I haven't compared the sound to that on the cd, but it sounds exceptional to me. I like the fact that the jam has been seperated off, and been presented in this way. The whole show is great- but the sections on this L.P. collection are unique in their own right. Pity it's nor available to Joe Public.

I haven't bought the vinyl 12/10/71, though. The sound of those cds exceed my expectations, and I can't honestly see how the vinyl could improve on it. Maybe if it drops substantially in price I will get it. Or if I happen to log on in the early hours of the morning when rational thought has gone to sleep for a while.

Picks

Have been concentrating on keeping my place on the Doc 71 train.
I’m a bit burnt on the dead right now, at least early 70s.
Been listening to a lot of jazz to mix it up.
Looking forward to 40 for something completely different.
Soon I’ll check out some of those picks that Bluecrow and others suggested…

Burnt out on The Dead?

Maybe someone should set up a Deadheads Anonymous Group for people who have become addicted ! He thought he could handle it...
Just fooling - no disrespect to A.A., N.A or any of the other 12 step programmes out there.

No Rest for the Weary

Looking at RT 4. 4 for tomorrow. 4/6/82 and portions of 4/5/82. I see Glasser mastered this one. Time to get back at it.
Oroborous, were you at this one?

4.4

I always liked this show.. had part of it on tape and was happy to replace it when the Road Trips was released.

Ha

Had 82 on the brain for some reason?
Nope DV, missed it by that much…saw the 8th and 9th.
Definitely do that up first chance I get!

RT4. 4

I have not listened to this release in maybe 4 years. Sound quality is fantastic. Great show and great bonus material. There are several great shows and parts of shows released through this series. Need to polk around in 82 a little more. I know we hit up Jim's show in Maryland with that crazy raven space that scared my family including the dog.

Doesn't look like #40 will be here this weekend.

Suggestion for 10/27

10/27 presents a lot of choices for shows from this day, but I'm feeling 10/27/91 in light of the fact I have to visit Bill Graham Civic Auditorium today. It's a different sound from '82 but the show contains a great setlist, greater guests, even better playing. Hope this show doesn't disappoint :)

10/27/91

Hey Josh, thanks for the pick. I am going to check this out.

Jim, the Baltimore 77 show is getting released. Congrats. Didn't we hit this one up here recently?

More 77!

10/27/91 and Baltimore '77

For 10/27, I think I like the Miller. This one seems to have Hornsby in, right?

I think we hit Baltimore '77 early in the process.. it might have been me that suggested it. Not normally a hungry for more '77 but I always respected this show. It's funny.. I had put it in the same mental box as the Richmond show that become Dave's Picks vol. 1 and Dave must have looked at these two closely together also. They have the same vibe and same great sound quality. The recordings are absolutely pristine, top pocket finds.

Anyway.. it's a good show, a great recording and it was destined to be a Dave's Picks, and so now it is.

Good pick on 4/6/82. I caught the highlights but couldn't digest the whole thing. I love the energy of the short but dense TOO > a wonderful '82 Morning Dew. For me, that's the meat of this show and Jerry still had that delicate voice in '82.. it had not gotten course and haggard yet. Onward.

10/27/91

Just finished this show up this morning. Thanks for the pick Josh. Nice sounding recording. Standouts for me were the Iko Iko, the Mona was interesting. You can really here Santana in those two songs. Nice Althea and China Rider. Bill Graham to die in the crash at 60, too young.

Ha

now who’s behind lol.
Work situation has ment no tunes, well, there’s plenty of Mexican accordion music on site lol.

Well, at least caught 10/27/91 back when I was on a tear. Good show! Enjoyed that whole run. Would love to see 10/31 out someday. Think ole Conekid suggested these.

I did manage10/26/71 and into 10/27/71 today trying to catch up to the Doc train.
Haven’t hit 4.4 YET, but will soon!
Haven’t had that one very long and thus only a few listens. Feel like some 82 is needed!
Keep the mother rolling DV and company!

Re: Ha..

We all do what we can. I am taking a small palate diversion by catching some Phil at the Capitol at home on my couch. Which isn't helping me catch up.. I am hitting the highlights though, Great Althea from 10/91 and an interesting second set.

What a weird world we live in..
It's raining so much here I thought it wise to build an ark. Speaking of Ark.. have we hit any of these here recently?

Ark Ark.

Nicki Bluhm is belting out Easy Wind as I write this. It's a hard life.