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    Hey OB, not off to a good start here in MN, but actually not that surprised. Go Bills!

    There is an interesting article in Relix with Dave L. that was posted last week I believe. Check it out.
    Dave claims there is no list and they don't generally release shows or box sets based on anniversaries. This year's box was just a coincidence. So, what does that mean for 2024? Not sure. Would love to see that October 74 Winterland box released. Who wouldn't?
    I thought the 74 Winterland shows were recorded by Bill Wolf as part of the Movie production agreement with United Artists. I believe everything is there and based on the material from the 2005 soundtrack, and bonus material, it is fantastic.

    Madison Square Garden 87. Those are some good shows Jim. Might have to join you on 9/18 as I have that 30 Trips show handy.

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    Huge and another damn near perfect show with 3 Other Ones! The crowd seems more engaged and yelling a bit more than some of the more polite audiences. And interestingly they didn't understand that the show wasn't over at set break. Read attendee Bob Welle's review in DeadbaseX and his cool viewpoint of having been cruising around EU and just luckily caught this one, wondering who are these new people on stage.
    After all these good ones in a row it's hard to see the almost Barton Hall fervor over this one though. I'm having a tough time doing a top 5 of the first 11 shows they are all so good but this one is certainly in there. Onward indeedy! Didn't expect anyone to join in my insanity to do them all so good on ya' Oro. Had to do it once in a lifetime, lol.
    Cheers

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    I was talking about a mini box of Feb '74 before they released 2/24 (and now 2/23), but I like the way you think.

    I always assumed, probably incorrectly, that there were problems with the recordings of much of the October 74 run. I know Owsley was very vocal that they had excessive bleeding from mic to mic, etc.

    As for something to listen to today.. not that I am strictly a Today in GD History person but 9/18/70, 9/18/74 and 9/18/87 were all excellent shows. 9/16/87 was surprisingly good for the period also.

    That's all I have for now.

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    Hit 5/7, 5/10, and 5/11 this WE. Of course I’ve forgotten the finer points and things I wanted to say, but I’ve not wanted to be overly analytical, or get distracted with notes, and instead, just get right, relax, and try to enjoy them. (Which has not been hard ; )
    5/7 is just too much! It’s not always the most precise or perfect of the tour, but that’s because it’s a freight train on steroids!
    I’ve always preferred full steam ahead Dead even when that leads to more worts, not that this one has many, perhaps just a few more noticeable than some of the more reserved, precise (hey, they were trying to make an album) shows.
    Actually, I think the album factor is one reason this tour is so good. They’re in a place where they’re ontop of their game and can let it rip, but keeping it just enough under raps to keep the consistency high for recording purposes.
    Win win, but 5/7 seems more about the live gig, the large miserable crowd that seems to really appreciate the effort etc, more than playing it straight for the tape machine?
    Choo Choo, all aboard! what a beast! Garcia starts out in 5th gear and doesn’t let up for almost 4 hours!
    Dark Star AND an Other One! Full on grease fest with six beauties, including a nice LL that fits the format better than going on too long, and a nice unusual Segway into GDTRFB. Clearly they were enjoying themselves in spite of the conditions? They joke about blowing the big ones, but not this time bubba!
    I’ve had this one so have heard it several times, but it was a real treat to sit outside in a warm but not super hot day and just groove on this one!
    Yesterday I hit 5/10 for the first time and unfortunately didn’t get quite the best listen, at least to the later parts.
    But I did enjoy it, even if it was perhaps a little more laid back than 5/7 etc. Hey they all can’t be rocket ships lol.
    The word that kept coming to me was Smooth…this show seemed smooth. They’re gelling as a unit so well by now, and the consistency is so good. Sure there’s a miscue or clam every once in awhile, (I dare you to find a show that there isn’t ; ) but the overall tightness, energy, musicianship is truly better or on par with any tour they ever did!
    Of course there’s the sweet He’s Gone they finally got right, and why it’s the one! Another Sing me as they’ve worked that one in the repertoire nicely. And if I remember correctly, this had another of those unusual Other Ones, kinda jazzy perhaps and similar to 4/16? Unfortunately this one’s a blur for various reasons including hitting 5/11 afterwards. I’ll definitely want to rehit this, 5/3, and the Wembleys after the tour…but for now I want to go in order…
    Ok, 5/11, this one for whatever reason has always been perhaps my favorite?
    Not saying it’s the best show of the tour, just for whatever reasons perhaps my favorite?
    Certainly the set list is part of it: Nice Playing if not huge opener, plenty o grease, including a cool and final Caution, with final WHO Do You Love tease, Nice Truckin ender to mix it up, and a very cool, perhaps unusual Dark Star!
    Maybe it’s just because I think this might have been the first ala cart show I bought when I hand to the head realized what I was missing not having these Dark Stars? (Now realizing same about the cool spacey TOO’s)
    Other One can get real repetitive but these ones are often very diverse and different! The weirder the better I say!
    Whatever the reasons, this show, even after taking the tour plunge, still resonates very strong for me? Hey, I even think the cover art might be my fav? Ok, maybe I’ll hit it again streaming while working, before moving onto 5/13 and 5/16, both I’ve never heard yet, so hoping I’ll get to spend some extra time with em during the week…
    ONWARD! Ok, who stole my Heineken Dark?

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    That’s all I ment.
    Everyone’s made good points, and there’s no easy answer.
    I was going for a conversation starter more than just to editorialize.
    Like most things, no easy answers.
    It’s just now that I’m all addicted to this collecting nonsense, I need as many RJ shows as they’ll give us, and I’m afraid things are going to start slowing down, and eventually it won’t be worth it to them, and so many great shows will never get fixed up and released. And don’t you worry 1stshow ole buddy, there’s still plenty of RJ shows in the vault.
    As a rabid nut trying to tag as many of em as I can before I croak, I’m here to tell ya there’s plenty of gold left in them there hills! Yes many are cassette, but the gang has been getting better and better every year at fixing em up!
    And, there’s still lots of DATs and still a decent amount of killer multitracks, all just rotting in the vault!

    I totally get what yer saying, but think of it this way: suppose the summer 78 box was never released and only a couple others from that year. If they came out and said “this is your one chance to get the 20 best of 78”, including those shows in the July box, would you not find some way to get it? For sure, not everyone is going to want all of em, but I think you’d be able to scrape up at least 10k folks who would want at least one or 2?
    Really they should be digitizing them all, or at least the top 20 or 30 from each year that haven’t been released, and have a system where they announce a certain number, or block at a time, and do pre orders, to have inventory control.
    Some shows might sell big, some not so much. Perhaps have a rule that shows that don’t meet a certain threshold won’t get released?
    I guess the solution would involve somehow having a cost effective way to prep them, but pre order so you don’t always have to have such big sales numbers for every show? Perhaps DL like you say, but that hasn’t worked so well, so far anyway…
    Again, no easy answers, and I totally understand other pov. I just would hate to see so much good music not get the treatment it deserves. And yeah, the archive is awesome, but there’s nothing like getting a great show that’s been fully fixed/Normaned!

    Hey DV, where ya been hiding? Good to see ya, and sorry, I won’t mention you know who. It has got to be really tough being a fan. It’d be one thing if they just stunk, but they have potential, if only they could stop beating themselves.
    A well, it’s early still…

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    Would love to see more shows released. My preference is still CDs.
    It would be interesting to know what the terms of the contract are with Rhino? Are they able to release as much as they want or are there limits?
    Do they even have the ability to release more per year then they currently are? Is Jeffrey Norman able to mix and master much more than he is now. He might need help. Maybe you could assist OB?

    There are some shows they already mixed and mastered that could be released on CD. For example, the two shows from the first Road Trips that they released as digital downloads, 11/5 and 11/6 1979. Also, the shows from the download series.
    Would also be interested in more video. Why not release the shows from the MUATM. They did this with the 91 show in the Giants stadium box, but would love to see the others released at some point. The 91 Chicago show was really good.

    Okay, seems others are talking about 1988 for #48. We will see next month.

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    I'm a dinosaur as Oro describes it and know zero about streaming and how younger folks get their music, movies, and TV but I'm guessing the Dinos are the ones buying hard copy CDs. My question is, if the '80s and '90s scene was populated by more younger concertgoers in huge stadiums in numbers way beyond the earlier shows shouldn't there be a demand for those shows in a format they like? I'd bet lots of folks will buy a show they attended. Mickey's model may fit that some day. That said, I'm ignoring the fact that some earlier shows had attendance in the 100,000+ range (Englishtown?) but there were just a few of those. I know Dave said that the last increase to 25,000 copies per release would be the last increase and maybe that's the limit for profitability for hard copy. I'm guessing the download option would be more profitable regardless of sales numbers (if they could ever get the damn things to work!) as all you need is a bank of servers and a few tech savvy people to run it. Large box offerings could be done as a pick and choose your favorite with quantity discounts for more shows. I know I won't be buying twenty shows from individual years I don't like as much and there is likely some truth in the theory that a good portion of "the good stuff" has already been released. Seems like, as with many things, tech is going to have to save us in this dilemma. Affordability is key either way. I can't afford $500 boxes even if I like the offering. It's as simple as that. So Mickey, let's get digitizing! Us Dinos will just have to figure out how to download and stream.
    Cheers
    Oh, and the price of the downloads needs to come down. Currently makes no sense if the price is almost the same just without the shipping. No incentive to be green.

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    Y’all are missing the point…

    I’m not talking about preferences, if I was, I’d be down with Conekids idea.
    I’m talking about the reality of only a somewhat limited number of boxes getting released.
    Their not going to do this forever!!!
    For example, say they only releases 8 or 10 more years at one box a year.
    With 3 show mini boxes that’s only 30 more shows. Plus say 40 more Dave’s. (4x10).
    There’s still way more than 70 great shows in that vault…
    My plan,
    25 for primal 67-70
    15 for 71
    20 for 72
    20 for 73 (at least!
    ? 74 might just be mostly scraps
    20? for 76? Maybe
    77 is already over represented so he can spit the last few out on DaP
    20 for 78
    20 for 79 and 80
    20 for 81 & 82
    20 for 83 & 84
    20 for 85 & 86
    20 for 87 & 88
    20 for 89 including fall tour (alpine should be a stand alone
    90 not sure you’d need to do 20 as it’s already fairly represented?
    20 for 91 & 92
    20 for 93-95
    These plus DaP and special separates and one might say we’ve received most of the best!
    Take pre orders plus run an extra 10% so your not stuck with inventory but have a few for Johnny come latelies…
    You could still make them “limited”…
    Release 2 a year, everybody wins cept maybe the finicky heads who probably won’t buy much more anyway…

    Voila, all hardcore heads gets represented,

    And remember when Mickey made his bold pronouncement about making all shows available (about the same time he said Phil must have got the liver of a jerk) .
    But I’m sure things won’t change, sales eventually will make cost prohibitive and the vault will go to waste, but hey at least we will have most of 77…and four versions of October 74…
    Think about the cruel reality of only 3 to 5 shows a year for only 8 more years….the horror!
    Tic toc…

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    Yes, next year hopefully - vinyl too. Bit of leisure wear to listen to it in. Nice.

    Mini boxes score where you might not want 17 shows or whatever. I wouldn't mind a few shows from Europe 1990, having attended the London ones - but I'm not sure I would want the whole lot !

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    Winterland Oct 74 Box, and we need more releases Dave/Rhino

    Hopefully it’s moving into production soon so that we get it for the 50th anniversary next year.
    With all the video included.

    I’ll take mini-Boxes.
    3-show mini-Boxes, released once every other month, and not during a month where a DaP is released. Thus, the DaP’s and mini-Boxes would give us a release 10 months out of the year. The other 2 months would be RSD and Black Friday RSD.
    Sounds like a grate plan to me.

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I was there. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I bet Cousins, Bolo, Marye, and many other folks on this forum were also there, having a blast. I wonder if Nappy was there, I saw a picture of him in a parrots costume at the Greek ,might have been 1982. Great fun.

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Billy.. you're my brother from another mother. I wish I was there.. but I made it eventually and can say I peaked at the Greek. What a venue, my favorite by far.. I have to admit.. I am envious of all the shows you guys got to see that I did not, envious in a good way.

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One of the all time greats IMO. Sunday afternoons at the Greek had a lot going for them.
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Can’t be wrong with those kind of recommendations!
I think I’ll jump off the Doc train and do a 82 twofer today.
Thanks for the additional voices and good to see good ole Marye, especially since the poor girl must be exhausted from hand delivering all those boxes, AND now a new Dave’s .weren’t we going to set up a go fund me to at least get her an ebike? ; )

EDIT: Phil shows. For sure, I’ve been meaning to catch more. Hopefully I can check some more out later on?
Streamed the 3 Colorado shows as well as the last Capitol Quintet show. Good sheet Mon! Not familiar with this lineup, though hear Niki is awesome!

DBL Edit: wow, just finishing up 5/23. Funny thing is I caught this, actually the whole run, probably from the same good folks who recommended it, but I didn’t write anything down, and a, ahem, being memory challenged ahem, I often
Remember I saw, heard, read something, but will forget what happened. My other half gives me a hard time about it, but I hey, this way I get to enjoy it all over again!
Anyway, glad I hit it again, really good show, 82, it’s like the new 81!
So I’m guessing that was an Angel adding the Harley to drumz?
So bummed we never made it to the Greek, or Frost, or Ventura, or a hula Vista etc, etc to see the boys.
Fortunate to have at least made it to Cal X and the Garbage heap, and hit those, as well as Veneta, Irvine, Ventura, and Irvine working Furthur 96, which was cool, but added to the disappointment of not seeing the Dead there.
Oh, same with the rocks: saw many great “after” shows, but sigh, no Dead, idiot!
Ok, going to catch up with RT 4.4.

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Yes, another great show and some of you were there, which is cool.

30 years of archival releases and not one Greek yet? We are due.

Happy Halloween 🎃

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We did get a 68 Greek in 30 Trips. Hoping for me.. alas, the recordings for the one year I made the pilgrimage are not great.

This 82 sounds nice though.

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Got both 5/33 and 4/6 in yesterday!
As I say, 82s the new 81 lol.
Thoroughly enjoyed both!

Hitting 10/29/71 now, which is resonating nicely.
Hoping to hear the full 10/31/71 later. Not sure I’ve ever heard the first set?
Happy Halloween to y’all, wish I had some candy for DP 2 later lol.

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I didn't even think the first set existed.. I never looked once the Dick's Picks came out. How wrong I was.. I do seem to remember someone commenting that the first set was not in the vault, whether that's true or not who knows.

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Jim, that’s what I recall hearing too.
They didn’t have the first but the 2nd, well, sure most have read Dicks feelings on the 2nd so…

The 10/29/71 shows was a standout for me. Really dug that one.
Going out of sequence to do 10/31 today. Will hit 10/30 asap…

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Sounds good to me. I will get it going soon, as the trick or treaters hit my door.

At some point I would love to know about the Dats provided by Rob Eaton and David Gans.

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Really good show. I enjoyed it. Great first set. Deal, Loser, BRB, El Paso, Cumberland! Fantastic. Start the second set with a groovy Dark Star, nice St. Stephen, great finish. Thanks for the pick on this one.

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It was Booooooo T ful!

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After I finish the fox/st. louis box and Deer Creek, I promise to get back on track with the pick of the day.

Plus.. it's been raining here pretty much non-stop as far as I can remember.. so I started to build an ark. Now I need to fill it with two of each strain before the heavens open up and the shit really starts to hit the fan.

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Hang in there and stay dry buddy!
I’m in the same boat (pun intended), just too much going on and not getting any tunes in at work.
Except that damn oompah accordion music these boys dig lol.
Also trying to get to all the 71s, slow but steady when I do get a chance.
Definitely will be back onboard if/when life allows!

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Did you get your #40 Jim? I think OB got his yesterday??

Mine is scheduled for Saturday November 6. Not sure why, but the pattern continues.

I am ready for new picks or repeats whenever you all are.

Oh and don't forget to pick up your Dark Star hoodie!

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stopping in to say hello to all the POTD friends - Hi everyone (been "busy")

def need to revisit DiP 2. As for that '82 thang Oro, look no further than DiP #32 Alpine 8/7/82 - I was "there" back then plus on a late night revisit a few weeks ago with the whole sound space open, a thing of beauty, what a gorgeous night. And that next night was out of this world.

picked up the discs from Dead&Co from shows I saw at Wrigley this past Sept and that's where my head and ears are at right now - night 2 and really digging Mayer's sound,

haven't had proper time for Listen to the River yet. Dave's 40 #23534 showed up yesterday and in the long queue

was playing a lot of Stepping Out in the truck. I always thought that Big Railroad from Skull and Roses was the "one" but I will say that the Big Railroad on Stepping has a groove, especially Jerry's guitar leads, that is also just exactly perfect.

sorta wigs me out in these plague times when some regular folks don't check in for awhile - comprende GOGD and Strider??!!

and once again - one of my "for the faithful" POTDs is 7/16/72 Dillon with the raw audience up front e.g. Cold Rain & Snow

Hey Bluecrow,

Yes, that show sounds good to me. I was actually looking at the show a couple of days ago.

And add Bolo to your list as well.

I gave it a go Bluecrow, a little rough around the edges for me.

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yea its a pretty raw upfront, but the energy really captured me despite that. It's a show that would definitely benefit from some newly found reels. glad you gave it a shot - not really expecting anyone to rave about the audio for the audience portion but I think its your usual well played '72 show - a diamond in the rough.

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11-4,5,6-77

11-2-77% has been playing in my car since Tuesday. That should end today, then I’ll start the 4th and play the 5th and 6th this weekend in the house.

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Coincidentally, ( or maybe not, it being the anniversary) I decided to give these shows a listen too. It must be a good few years since I played any of them, and I am well impressed. Very high energy-Jerry really standing out with that great sharp as a knife tone. The dynamics are so different for the pre 1975 years - more straight between the eyes, with the up tempo tracks coming off really well. Great guitar work on Estimated, and Lazy Lightning/Supplication too, though, which are more up in the air. This is 11/2 I am talking about, by the way.

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Since I have listened to these shows too.. might have to fit that in.

When I finish digesting the box and #40 I planned to toss up a few neglected official releases myself, looks like you beat me to it. Dave's Picks 25 anyone? It's old enough we can call it a vintage release already.. where did the time go?

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This is one of my favorites. I am in.
Just love the half step opener and the rest of the show. Even the funky Scarlet Fire.

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I agree with everything that hasn't been posted on here in the last 4 days.

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With the Doc train through 11/11/71. I’ll try to hit 11/12, 11/14, and 11/15 this WE.
Virginal Dave’s 40 completed too!
Now if only I could sneak a show or 2in during work!

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Hey OB, 11/15/71 or RT3. 2 is a five star show. The sound quality on this release is one of the best 71 shows I have heard. I will definitely put this one on the list this week. The bonus disc form 11/14 is also great.

Just got my #40 and still working my way through it. Loving it so far.

You can tell who is the captain of this ship.

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Glad you received 40 DV, play it loud and proud brother!
Yep, looking forward to the RT this WE.

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Thought it would be fun to check out 3/19/90 Hartford. How does it stack up against our new #40? I think the last two years Dave is really releasing nostalgia picks, which is okay. He is the Captain. So, how about some 1988? At long last release the 89 Alpine shows.
It will be interesting to see what he does for #42. Will he continue the pattern of a 74/73/69/70 shows? Will he break the mold and completely surprise us with a 79 or 80 release?
I don't know, I don't think it will be 73/74.

I received an Email from Dave, I think yesterday. Did you guys get it?

Are you still out there Jim?

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Yes, I am still here.. Hartford sounds good and I have just finished a full decent listen of Dave's Picks 40 so there is some synergy there.

I really enjoyed Deer Creek. Very good sound for a two track, the credits Healy as the person who recorded it, but it's a big step up from the Ultra Matrix days. Most are siding on the second night being a stronger, more even performance. I guess I agree with this, the second set is very strong. I like the powerhouse opening for The Other One too.. Phil just thunders it almost from out of nowhere, then into a calming end of the world crescendo in Morning Dew. Perhaps I will comment on the 40 thread but the first night speaks to me.

Moving right along, there is another show that caught my attention last week that I want to hit. It's a new one for me. 1982-04-12 Nassau Coliseum. Not sure why this caught my eye, but I think it's worth hitting. After Hartford?

Then I do want to hit a few released shows that are both spectacular and have fallen out of my rotation. There are so many of these.. and I like to take care of my orphaned stepchildren.

I hope all are doing well in this mad, mad world we live in. I am very grateful for the escape and entertainment mechanism that is music, more specifically Grateful Dead music.

Be good all. Play Dead.

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You go DV!
Glad y’all digging 40!
Harshferd and 4/12/82 sound good. I’ll try and mix those in with the big Doc fest this WE!

Buurrrrrrrr, 23 this AM, no bueno!
It’s funny how your feelings on winter are influenced by whether you go up the mountain or not.
When I still did, it couldn’t snow enough, now…not so much lol.

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Perfect, I will hit this one up tomorrow. Thanks for the pick Jim.
Yes, #40 is great. Best Desolation Row?? I don't know. I always thought the 89 Alpine version was pretty damn good as well.
Yes, back to reality here in MN as well OB, snow moving in tomorrow.

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The '89 Alpine version is the pillar that all the others rest upon. It's flawless.

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It’s the extra emphasis that Jerry throws in on the vocals, on top of an already well played song.

Alpine ‘89 CD/BluRay Box time Dave.

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I do really like #40. Two great shows.
It was interesting to then go back to 3/19/90. Wow! This is a fantastic show. Great first set and love that second set with the Box of Rain, Foolish Heart, Playing into Eyes. Nice finish and you get a Brokedown Palace encore.
So, this show and the rest of the first box used the Cutler two track down mixes from the 24 track recordings. I think these were also used in Dozin at the Knick as well. They sound great to me. The sound is so full. I would like to know how this down mixes work? Does anyone know? They are definitely a different beast.

Okay,on to 82.

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Just like any multitrack album or recording.
The studio engineer mixes, adjusts etc, the individual channels to get the right blend/levels between all the different channels (instruments, vocals, effects etc) and routes, pans or positions those individual channels in a stereo mix. Like JG coming more out of the right speaker and Bob outta the left for example. These signals are then routed to the final main stereo output of the mixing board, where the main output levels are set and recorded on a stereo or 2 channel device: tape, HD etc.
The studio mix is where individual eq adjustments, effects etc are done.

This final mix is then sent to the Mastering engineer who sweetens the overall sound or sometimes adjusts the overall eq so it will sound best on the physical product. LPs usually have specific eq curves applied to compensate and maximize sound for that format. If the studio mix was done very well, the mastering can be relatively simple, but often there is much more happening in mastering than people realize. All of this is truly art.

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Appreciate the information on this process, Oroborous. That makes sense. I guess that explains why they were able to use Cutler's downmixes. They were that good. Recorded and mixed live by Cutler.

Loving 4/12/82. Still working my way through it. Good call Jim.

Edit. Finished it. Five dancing bears. Great sounding recording, even the last two songs that are audience patches sound good.
Start the show with an Iko Iko and finish with Satisfaction. Great Peggy O, Birdsong, Sugaree, Stella. Man, you would have to think this show is a contender to be released if Dave ever releases any more 82 shows.

Yes, that sounds like a winner to me. Never listened to this show, so I will get it going. Thanks for the pick Vguy.

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I’ve always wondered about 5/7/78?
My cousin was going to RPI at the time. Now I’d normally doubt he would have gone to the Dead as he’s pretty conservative, (believe he was into the Boss then?) but hey it was collage and he was young so who knows?
I’ve always ment to ask him but rarely talk to him so I forget.

VGUY always finds nice off the path picks!

But first I’m currently spinning 4/12/82, which is nice. Brent laying some sweet jazz pi-an-ner down on this Bird Song as I eat my Bfast to a glorious Rocky Mountain morning.

Hit 11/12/71 on the Doc train last night. Short but sweet!
Then Tried to get 3/19/90 in. Does it count if you slept through half of it lol.
90, that is a year I truly need to dig deeper. Perhaps my biggest year and yet I’ve only been aquatinted with it.
Need to get nekked and roll around in the mud with her!

Ok, the list is getting daunting, hup hup.
4/12/82 spinning currently
5/7/78
11/14/71
11/15/71
and need to get back to St Louie, Louie!
Didn’t get much time with the 73 shows…..
Oh, and still have ideas Bluecrow and others contributed back aways that we never hit.

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New one for me, I will queue it up.

I really enjoyed the last two picks.. 3/19/90 is rock solid and 4/12 was an interesting show. Perhaps one day we will have to hit Providence a couple nights later.

So where are we today? ah...5/7/78. And the beat marches on.

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Ssssssscccoooooooorrrrrrreeeesssss!!
4/12/82 enjoyed
5/7/78 preoccupied working in the garage, but solid spring 78 if not more? Really have to ask my cousin now lol.
11/14/71 had never heard the first set so streamed that, now cranking the RT 3.2 Bonus, yowsa! Can’t wait to hit 11/15 mañana! Perhaps a St Louie 73 and ??
Onward!

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The elusive DHBHT. I take it you slept well last night.. might even wake up a bit sore.. What most people do not realize is how much training and deadication it takes to prepare yourself for a such a major accomplishment.

With a little training one can finish the Boston Marathon in a little over four hours. At best, a DHBHT takes almost twice that.

Good work, take the rest of the week off.

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Time off, blasphemy!
The other half is working again today so though I’m getting a late start, I think I’ve got at least 2 in the tank, and at least the possibility of another DHB. Hey, have to get my fill on the weekends since no tunes at work lately : (
Probably try for 11/15/71, something suggested by BLUCROW, perhaps 9/25/81? from a few weeks ago, and then perhaps 10/29/73 as I’ve only hit the 73 Louie’s like once or twice, but in the blur of the overall box.
Onward!

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Didn’t get the third one in yesterday. Was running outta time since I still had to watch Football, speaking of, GO VIKS! Lol Also was getting a little burnt after 7 shows this WE, needed a little Jazz.
Did enjoy Bluecrows suggestion of 9/25/81, another nice, long, solid 81. Think I’d still give tge nod to the next night, but I’m biased on that one. And of course the glory of 11/15/71. I know DV likes the sound of this one but I still hear parts that are oversaturated. Not like Dave’s 38, but it doesn’t sound as nice as the St Louie box 71s, to me anyway…
Curious DV, is your copy a GDP or aReal Gone? The one on my server is ripped from an original GDP, I have a Real Gone version still in the rapper, but didn’t think it was worth redoing etc?
I was going to hit 11/17/71 on the iPad at work, but remembered that’s a Dave’s, so I’ll have to wait fir a chance on the stereo.
Maybe I’ll hit1/18/78 off of Dave’s possible list?

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Oroborous, I have the grateful dead productions release that I bought this year with the bonus disc after a kind soul on this site sent me an electronic copy and I was blown away. Had to have the original physical copy.
Listened again today and it is just crackling with energy and the sound quality to my ears is A++. I put this one up there with the three February Port Chester shows, as far as my favorites of the year.

Yes, hey the good old Vikes won one on the road. Look out.

Edit. 9/25/81, haven't heard this but you should read Miller's notes on this show. I cracked up. I won't ruin it for you.

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After briefly being caught up, I am behind again. It's 11/15/71 for me today. I have a bit of a drive, which is perfect...

I did finish both DaP 40 and the St. Louis Box.. but I admit I need to give the two Kiel shows another spin. In fact, I don't think this box will begin to collect dust just yet..

Then hopefully.. I will become a more active participant again. I have a bit of work to do, then a small adventure of sorts, followed by a few hour drive and 11/15 will get it's time in the sun. We are approaching mid week.. hope everyone is keeping on keeping on..

No DHBHT for me today, but I am content with what I have. Be good all.

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Life is such that it’s not a great time for lots of music. So trying to binge out on the WE.
All goood, just that time of year here, GO Time! But it affords an opportunity to cleanse etc.
hoping with the new year things will settle back. Hoping they’ll let me sit out at least part of the winter which means daily home binging lol.

Plus, though I’ve enjoyed riding the 71 Doc train, it will free up more listening time. And no, I’m not going to try for all of 72 next year lol.
I made it through first set yesterday of 1/18/78 off of Dave’s “list”. It was good but not so sure it’s one I’d hope for a release, which means he will lol. JG sounds pretty froggy still, which is weird as the next night I think I recall he doesn’t sound too bad? So going to finish 1/18, then?
DV: it’s not the overall sound that distorts? I specifically remember in SSDD or Sugar Mags when they get loud. Could be just the amps distorting etc, but I think the tape maybe over saturates a little on some if the peaks also?
Glad you don’t experience it! Somewhat common for those days.

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I don't think we ever listened to this show, 1/23/70, Dave's Picks #19, Honolulu!

Hope you all can check it out.

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..and I'm in on 1/23/70.

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My Dead listening has been pretty limited last little bit, primarily in the ride. So I'll load this up. Sorta under the radar DaP I think.

Gotta say that I'm still obsessed with board CD of Dead & Co 9/18/21 from Wrigley. So in those somewhat rare headphone listens back home I keep coming back to this. One of those shows that went straight to the heart and soul.

Spent last weekend out in the Henrys - first time camping since out there last Spring. It was real good.

Be well everyone.