• Post reply
    1,587 replies
    Srinivasan.Mut…
    Joined:

    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

Comments

sort by
Recent
Recent Oldest A to Z Z to A
Reset
  • #31
    daverock
    Joined:
    More art

    One of the most stunning experiences I had going to an art gallery was when I went to see "Sunflowers" by Van Gogh a few years ago. I eventually found the room it was in, and noticed a huddle of people in front of a painting on the far side of the room. One of them moved..and there it was. It had a spotlight on it so that the yellow of the flowers shone out into the room. Amazing...but as I got closer, I realised that it didn't have a light on it at all - the light was actually coming out from within the painting. Truly extraordinary.
    It's also quite an experience going to see his work in the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam. I just wandered in there by chance about 30 years ago. Wow.

  • #32
    Oroborous
    Joined:
    Conekid in the know

    per usual!
    Thanks, lol, never knew that request page existed. Goes to show, just gotta poke around!
    Those will get utilized more now for sure…Smithers, release the hounds!

    Yeah that RFK was probably too many units for what it was? Good example of doing say one of these a year at lower unit count along with a more traditional box release at perhaps less units?
    But I liked RFK, (hell I think they’ve done a great job with most) because that stretch from summer through the next summer is prime time for moi, and it sounds great, but they certainly weren’t the best available, once again the ole he went to a great city and street, but picked the wrong house? ? Wasn’t it relatively pricey too?
    But as we’ve all been saying, there’s a whole lot of causal heads out there who might not buy anything UNLESS it was something they were at. Perhaps explains the Giants phenomenon some what?
    That was sorta my M.O. back around turn of the century: “I have more than I need so I’m only going to get shows I was at. That worked out sorta ok at first by sheer dumb luck, but I eventually realized
    A) I’m not going to get many of those any time soon, if at all, and
    B) I’m missing out on some killer shit!
    The E72 Dark Stars are what really brought me back. Didn’t get the trunk but picked up several of the Dark Star shows Ala cart.
    So started dabbling again, but mostly just wanted the music and not more stuff. Luckily or not, my cousin used to get a lot of the releases free through their business connections with GDP etc, but when that all changed with Rhino etc, they lost those relationships. So I was able for a while to get copies of stuff he had that I wanted.
    But then I started getting back into it, hanging with you junkies etc lol, and next thing you know I’m a “collector”, just the thing I was trying to avoid lol.
    So of course the down side of only getting copies is all the great collection stuff I missed out on!
    The biggest regrets were the FW box and Winterland 73. The FW I just wasn’t very in dead land at the time and because of the repetitive set lists figured “oh hell, I have live dead already” idiot!
    Luckily I have the mini version and you know who here tightened me up with copies of the box, so at least I have the music!
    The Winterland 73, being fall 73, which even then was one of the tours I had huge interest in, I contemplated getting it, and man, wasn’t it really cheap considering, but I cheap skated out and have been regretting it ever since!
    Some of the others I regret only as a “collector” now, though I should have grabbed that summer 78, wasn’t that another bargain box?

    So yeah Daverock, the scene was relatively small until later. When I started going in late seventies there were tour heads, but not anything like what would come. I think the whole multi show run factor contributed to this. It was now much easier to just plan on a three show run or two, especially day on weekends, then to catch 5 or 6 shows, one stop at a time up and down I 90 etc.
    Now I know old timers talk of how it changed throughout the seventies, especially that huge influx of kids like me in the mid and late seventies, but I don’t think it was near as dramatic as what we saw from late seventies up too 87 when it exploded, perhaps leveled off a bit, but continued at a steady pace that unfortunately just got too big to support it properly. Fame, the kiss of death…

    ART: not a active art participant, but sometimes you get shown the light!
    We had a great Albright Knox gallery back in the tundra, and on family vaca to Europe in late seventies, went to tge Louvre etc. Don’t recall a lot of specifics, Mono Lisa etc? But it definitely impacted my thick adolescent Beavis and Butthead dumb American skull. That whole trip would of been much more awesome if I’d only been older.
    That Hopper work is cool. I’ve seen that corner diner one but wouldn’t say I was familiar. Will have to burn a fat one and check him out. Yasss great light etc. And yes, I can only imagine how much more sharp and vivid his work would be live!
    Good sheet Mon,
    Party on Wayne!

  • #33
    That Mike
    Joined:
    E-mail Survey

    DaveRock - Awesome idea with the email to all the folks on the mailing list. Something that perhaps itemizes what is in the vaults (no use clamouring for reels that don’t exist), and survey to see what is in high demand. I know on the Neil Young site, as an example, he has a “Letters” column where he states he answers ALL the letters himself (I’ve sent a few, and always get a reply), and the bulk of requests are folks asking him to release this show, or this tour, etc, and he tells you if the request is even doable. I don’t expect the Core Four to answer Dead Head mail, but a quick email survey is interesting. Maybe it is as easy as Ice Cream Kid says, and we just hit up the request thread, but it doesn’t tell us what tapes are in the vault, and what condition, etc.

    PS - Dave, you are right about seeing the art “in person”, but of course, work of say a DaVinci is so limited, so rare, and will not ever tour, that it would be so hard to see in person, save visiting Paris or Venice. But, should a major show make the rounds, like Picasso, or Diego Rivera/Frida Khalo, I’ve made a point to see it, and you are right - seeing a picture of these works does not do them justice! There is something about seeing The One And Only of something, knowing the artist worked on this piece. I’ll paraphrase Mr Ones al a “Music is the best”: “Art - and sports - are a close second!”

  • #34
    daverock
    Joined:
    A new approach

    Crmcnkd - I hadn't noticed that section asking us to make recommendations, so thanks for pointing that out. Maybe, though, the only people likely to fill that out are the people who come on here-all the old faces-and we know what they (we, me) will say in advance. I like the idea of reaching people who may not come on here - maybe an email like we get telling us what is coming out- but asking us what we would like to see coming out instead. The key is, it has to be "them" wanting a survey - as much, if not more, than "us" wanting to fill one in.

    Oro - thinking of casual fans of different eras, it reminds me of the fact that Deadheads didn't actually exist in the 1960s. I can't imagine early fans travelling around the country to see them. I guess it started with the invite to "Deadfreaks" on "Skull and Roses", but I would think it took several years before the travelling circus developed.

    It's interesting watching a documentary on late 60's San Francisco bands called "Go Ride The Music-West Pole". The main bands on this are Jefferson Airplane and Quicksilver Messenger Service - but at one point an interviewer asks people queuing up outside a concert hall, who their favourite bands are. I was expecting them to say "The Dead" automatically-but they don't. They are mentioned but they were clearly perceived at that time as just being another band, along with the two mentioned, Steve Miller, Janis etc.

    Mike - one of the great things about going to art galleries is how much more alive the originals are compared to the prints and posters you can see anywhere. I would say that going to an art gallery to look at paintings is a bit like going out to hear live music. If you go to any gallery, look at the originals, and then go in the gift shop and look at a book reproducing the originals you have just seen, the difference between the two is shocking.

  • #35
    icecrmcnkd
    Joined:
    Rehashing past speculation

    Don’t forget that several people, including myself, have previously told stories about talking to other deadheads who are completely clueless or disinterested in the official releases.

    The RFK Box is 15,000 copies and not sold out, although the banner says “less than 750 left”.
    My Boxes are packed away so I can’t check what the production numbers are, but 15,000 seems to be the limit except for a few releases that need an AME.
    I think that the last few Boxes were in the 10,000-12,000 range.

    Dave’s Picks can sell 25,000 due to people buying more than one subscription and resellers.
    And if you subscribe early bird you get 13 or 14 CD’s for $100, which is a pretty good deal.

    For those wanting to take a survey, there is a page on this site called ‘Requests - Box Sets’.
    I posted on it this morning, so use the ‘recent posts’ button to get to it, or use the search box.

  • #36
    That Mike
    Joined:
    Boxes & Paintings

    I am enjoying the discussion, because I’m hoping the marketing folks, or even the interns working at Rhino, see that this is a very passionate group of dedicated fans. Oro, I really think you have made some great points, and it is hard to please everyone (personally I have never been a hardcore 60s Dead fan, because that was before they came along with jewels like Wake of The Flood, Mars Hotel, etc, and all the outstanding concert material those albums brought forth), but so much work goes into the sourcing and mixing of the music in these boxes, and the art work, and the history to the scene happening at the time, that most, if not all, are home runs.
    Oro, you definitely hit the mark on many points, as did others, but collectively, as a group of fans, our mantra is “Keep ‘Em Coming!”

    DR - I love a wide range of art, and even doodle a bit myself, but Hopper is definitely an artist I have held in the highest esteem, for his amazing use of light and open space to paradoxically create figures of loneliness and solitude. If I can ever get my butt to NYC, the Whitney Museum of American Art is where I plan to sleep; the guy was an American master, and really nice to hear you too see his immense talent.

    Last listen - McLaughlin/Corea - Five Peace Band Live
    On Deck - Ry Cooder - The UFO Has Landed

  • #37
    1stshow70878
    Joined:
    Great Discussion

    I think I fall into the category y'all are citing here. Not quite into it as much as the die-hards but wanting it all anyway. The LTTR box was more money than I was willing to put out at the time so I chose the LIA vinyl instead. A trade off decided by my having already pre-ordered Dave's #1 vinyl and simply wanting to get more vinyl. Interestingly, all the fantastic comments have me alternately regretting my choice and being satisfied with a taste of '72. DR said recently the chunk I have on Light Into Ashes is the crux of the biscuit of the box so today I feel satisfied. My collecting took a hiatus around the time the big Europe '72 trunk came out but kindly folks here are helping me fill that void. Thanks to all for keeping the fire alive. It's so nice to have reliable information from everyone here in our disinformation shrouded world.
    Cheers all!

  • #38
    Oroborous
    Joined:
    Great comments

    Mike, the 60s vibe, that’s a good example of what I’m saying. To “US”, the hardcore lunatics at deadnet, there appears to be an overwhelming unified consensus demanding a 60s box, but perhaps if you did a survey like DR suggests, our sample might be quite small comparatively? Just talking out me arse, but worth a thought?
    You’d think they’d be doing marketing , but maybe not? Maybe they have been so fortunate to have enough of a loyal, reliable, bankable demand that they could just go with whatever they felt was good?

    Personally, I think it’s good when things don’t sell out immediately. Gives some folks like P.T. etc a chance to decide or what not if they want to buy it. Or maybe you didn’t hear about it right a way, and as the bastard Murphy would have it, your busted after getting yet another of your kids braces, while the other kid smashed the car, and your washing machine broke. Like “Whaaaa???, you want $300 tomorrow morning, Dooaahh”
    But these are singular micro type scenarios and we’re talking macro level.
    Maybe DR is right and the nostalgia factor is bigger then I think, in that logistically, because of age, there are more casual fans from the later years than the early ones. Hell statistically, comparatively there weren’t that many causal fans in the early years. Let’s face it, for good or for ill, as time advanced there were way more causal “lets just go party and check it out folks” going to shows.
    So maybe that’s part of it, when/if something that this larger population feels more akin to comes round, their more likely to buy it, then yet another older moldy from a time they don’t know or care about because they’ve never been in that deep?
    I guess it’s probably a perfect storm of all the things we’ve been discussing? All these factors add up and the amount of units we’re talking about isn’t really that large, so…
    But!….that’s all the more reason to deliver more, but smaller batches of certain eras!

    Though I understand why a Giants type box would sell so fast, I still, do not understand fully how this box, by now, has not? Shifting market demographics and saturation is my guess though?
    Just goes to show…

  • #39
    daverock
    Joined:
    Tip of the hat

    ThatMike - my eyes lit up when you mentioned Edward Hopper. I really like his work too. About 20 years ago there was great exhibition on in London, and it was a real treat to be able to go from room to room and get drawn into his world. You can see his influence sometimes in films -"Deep Red" by Dario Argento features a scene that is clearly modelled on "The Nighthawks". And although I can't think of specific examples at the moment, Alfred Hitchcock and David Lynch feature scenes in some of their films that look to me to have been influenced by Hopper's way of seeing things.

  • #40
    PT Barnum
    Joined:
    format? sound quality? putting great shows with good shows?

    IMO there seems to be lots of reasons why this has not sold out. I did not buy it and I buy them all. After the so so patch jobs on the PNW box which I did not care for, I passed on this box. These are all good shows, with great shows mixed in. Call me a snob but I want all great shows with no cuts or patches. If that's not possible then I will just keep what I got from the archive or from etree, why spend that kind of scratch for shows I already have that only sound a bit better?
    The format could be the reason, some only want from the era they were a part of, mostly 80's from what I gather here. I like the progression of the band from psychedelic juggernaut to what they became, but not everyone's cup of tea.
    Perhaps it's the ploy of putting out most requested shows with shows that are not up to the great show that they are centered around? The original great box was a tough act to follow, seeings how the E72 tour was their best tour and it was the first one released with a massive 73 discs. With that great price. How to follow that? It's been what tptb have been asking themselves since.
    The spring 90 boxes are a good example of that also, a great tour with consistently great shows released at a great price, which sold out quickly.
    But what do I know? just the ramblings of an old deadhead on the first day of Spring.

user picture

Member for

6 years 4 months
Submitted by Srinivasan.Mut… on
Forums
Dead Store Products

What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 02:53

Permalink

50 years ago today……

November 11, 1971
Atlanta Municipal Auditorium, Atlanta, Georgia

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Sugaree-Playing In The Band-Tennessee Jed-Jack Straw-Casey Jones-Me And Bobby McGee-Big Railroad Blues-Mexicali Blues-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away-Johnny B. Goode

This is deadicated to John McCook…………

With the right vibes and the right people, it's easy to create something magical…..

Ah, what might have been! Sometimes, radical politics and rock and roll don’t mix well. And sometimes, the vibe effects the music……

Based on first hand accounts, as well as the audible stage banter on the circulating soundboard tape, this may be one of the most “unpleasant” shows of 1971. This is a difficult show to evaluate. Unlike some shows like Chateau d’Heronville and Terminal Island, which at least have “venue novelty value”, here the vibe is cold, confrontational, even hostile. Did the negative vibes effect the music? Hard to judge nearly fifty years after the fact, but I think that somehow it did.

The first set is about as long as most from this period. The “continuity” or “flow” is severely disrupted after Bertha. As usual, there are “equipment problems”. The second set is markedly shorter than most second sets from the Fall tours (six songs), there is no big jam number, and there is no encore. All that being said, overall the playing is pretty decent, and the Truckin’ and the NFA are strong. Still, I think this show generally falls well below the level of the other November 1971 shows. In fact, I’ve always thought of it as a somewhat oddball show, but maybe it’s just me……………

Rock on!!

Doc
Beautiful things can happen when you act intuitively and instinctively in a moment of anxiety and do something radical…..

user picture

Member for

14 years 11 months

Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 10:29

Permalink

Happy to report that the old Harding Theater is alive and kicking. It is now called Emporium SF, a vibrant arcade/sports/music venue that is very popular. Holds around 1500 people.

Rumor has it that yours truly has a connection to the place (??)

user picture

Member for

9 years 1 month

Submitted by icecrmcnkd on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 16:10

Permalink

Either he’s the Emperor of the Emporium,
or he holds an unbeatable high score on one of the video games.

user picture

Member for

14 years 11 months

Submitted by bolo24 on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 16:16

Permalink

Just saw your 11/7 post - you are a gracious man.

Thanks for all you do to help folks around here with their insatiable music addictions..

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Thu, 11/11/2021 - 19:36

Permalink

Wow

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Fri, 11/12/2021 - 02:20

Permalink

50 years ago today……

November 12, 1971
San Antonio Civic Auditorium, San Antonio, Texas

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Brown Eyed Women-Mexicali Blues-Black Peter-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Me & My Uncle-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One> Cryptical Envelopment reprise>Big Railroad Blues-Sugar Magnolia-Casey Jones-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to claney, fadedin7, Chris Grand, rodrigodiaz, twoxdad, deadegad, Eric3000, Forward, Dennis, and dharwin, because of the persistence of memory….

After the pandemonium of Atlanta the Dead rebound quite nicely here in San Antonio. A longer show, with a looser feel, a minimum of technical difficulties, and nice Texas-via-Bakersfield flavors. The second set includes a massive, 21 minute Other One that ranges from soft and spacey to raucous and rockin’. What some might call “a nice little show”, definitely underrated and worth a listen!

We have deep depth…..

Rock on!!

Doc
It gets late early out there……

user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months

Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 11/13/2021 - 08:21

Permalink

I've been checking out the unreleased 1971shows Doc's been posting reviews about.

So...11/12/71 is on archive.org - many versions of course. I usually give a quick few minutes listen to each one to find the best audio. The best is usually going to have Charlie Miller's name on it. What I found for 11/12/71 is that in addition to a full-show Charlie Miller board, there is also a lone Charlie Miller version of only the second set. This lone second set copy sounds way better than any of the full-show versions. The audio sounds ready for official release.

Do yourself a favor and download it. The Other One is one of the best '71s I've heard. I'm going to go out on a limb and say the audio is as good as the 7/2/71 Bonus Disc that came with the Skull & Roses 50th Anniversary release. Cryptical Part II WILL require you to pick your face up off of the floor.

I’m envisioning PF with the tooth picks holding his eyes open Ala Clockwork Orange lol with empty coffee cups and energy drinks all over. ; )
You go boy!

KF: yass, I’ve been riding the Doc train all year, well, hit the whole Capital run hard, then everything since Winterland in March, 3/24 maybe? Anyway, hit 11/12 last night and also really dug that whole Cryptical suite!
Didn’t check out the 2nd only version. But will have to after yer big statement!
Doah, like I don’t have enough Dead to catch up on.
The Road Trip shows up next!

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 01:01

Permalink

AMAZING!!!

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 03:09

Permalink

50 years ago today……..

November 14, 1971
Daniel-Meyer Coliseum, Texas Christian University, Fort Worth, , Texas

Set 1: Bertha-Beat It On Down The Line-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-El Paso-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Big Railroad Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-Loser-Playing In The Band-Tennessee Jed-You Win Again-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Sugar Magnolia-Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to Matt's_On_The_Way, boblopes, Hoopsie, lowspark75, muleskinner_blues, Gary Farseer, DaveStrang, Guss West, Ridin that Train, and Coconut Phil, because gratitude is when memory is stored in the heart and not in the mind….

This show was relatively unknown until it was partially released as part of the Road Trips series in February 2010, and now, eleven years later, one still hears very little about it.

The 16 song first set, one of the longest of the year, is very fine, with major Bakersfield flavors. Nice early first set China/Rider. Serious dose of country-western-Weir material. The first live version of Hank Williams’ You Win Again, a cover song I always enjoyed. I thought Garcia did it well………..

The second set is slightly shorter, with a more convoluted Other One than in San Antonio (with the somewhat typical Other One/MAMU/Other One sandwich leading into Wharf Rat).

Very solid show, underrated, definitely worth checking out!

Rock on!!

Doc!!
No matter how I struggle and strive, I'll never get out of this world alive…..

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by drpryan on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 08:43

Permalink

Has anyone else got this release? It's kind of a compilation (4 shows from Nov 1976) but it really rocks (Tore Up over you and After Midnight). Also, the Godchaux's really provide some great backing. Keith is on with the keyboards and Donna's harmony is great (no playin" screaming). Also it is a Betty Cantor-Jackson tape so there is that
Highly recommend for some good "Dead" music
Drp out

user picture

Member for

14 years

Submitted by nitecat on Sun, 11/14/2021 - 13:37

Permalink

Glad to hear someone took over Harding Theater and refurbished it.

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 01:41

Permalink

50 years ago today…..

November 15, 1971
Austin Municipal Auditorium, Austin, Texas

Set 1: Truckin'-Bertha-Playing In The Band-Deal-Jack Straw-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Dark Star>El Paso>Dark Star>Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Me And My Uncle-Ramble On Rose-Mexicali Blues-Brokedown Palace-Me And Bobby McGee-Cumberland Blues-Sugar Magnolia-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>China Cat Sunflower Jam>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to cedarview, GR8FL22, rhodymike, Mr. Jack Straw, Nanno-1974, lebowski99, glynnt54, stoltzfus, dancin dean, and Zomby D Wulf, as memory may be a paradise from which we cannot be driven, it may also be a hell from which we cannot escape……

Back in the day this was one of the first Fall 71 tapes I ever had, and it was an instant favorite. While yes San Antonio and Fort Worth are very fine, Austin may be the penultimate 1971 Texas Dead show. It oozes quirky gooey goodness, from the blazing opening Truckin’, through a first set Star AND a spontaneous jam, to a great NFA suite with even more jamming. And if you’re a fan of Cumberland Blues (like I am!), this is one smokin’ version! Extremely solid, great show, get it!

Rock on!!!

Doc
The darkness of death is like the evening twilight; it makes all objects appear more lovely to the dying.

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months

Submitted by daverock on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 03:24

Permalink

Sorry to be reviving this old warhorse, but it looks as though I will be getting a refund of £32.59 from them, which I have been told I can expect in 6-8 weeks.

user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months

Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 05:08

Permalink

Another foray into Doc's sonic '71 adventures. The 11/14 Bonus Disc never received it's fair listening time from me, simply because it's been overshadowed by the full show from the next night in Austin.

Won't be making that mistake again. The Other One is stunning, maybe even better than the newly discovered "pristine" version from the 2nd-set-only Charlie Miller download I was raving about on 11/12. Also on 11/14, and this is what makes 100 versions of the same song sooo worth it; Jerry plays some great staccato chord chops I've never heard him do before during "the sun will shine" verse on Rider. Great energetic exciting listening.

I am about to move on to the immortal 11/15. Great reverb on Jerry's guitar on these two nights. Funny how levels and tones fluctuate in one three month period, but I've always found this Austin show to sound like Jerry plugged into his amp right in my living room. This one and '74 are probably my two favorite Road Trips. Both have a very loud Garcia guitar in there. Hmmm 🤔

I know someone who digs a good Cumberland Blues. I'll take a closer listen to that one today.

Drpryan - Indeed, a great release of Jerry in all his glories in 1976, fine voice, sweet guitar, and what a band!! From the opening chords of Sugaree, there is Keith’s loping barroom keys pushing the song forward. Most, if not all, Garcia Family and Pure Jerry releases have been complete shows, or at least from one venue, one date, so this is a departure, but a great release. A nod to the recently departed Ron Tutt, as well.
Between this, Listen To The River, and DaP 40, it has been quite a run of Grate Dead music for Fall 2021. Should 2022 be this good…

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Mon, 11/15/2021 - 12:22

Permalink

6/9/73

there is place where Jerry teases Here Comes Sunshine.

listen closely and you will hear it

re this box set:

FANTASTIC and SPECTACULAR

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 11/17/2021 - 01:58

Permalink

50 years ago today…….

November 17, 1971
Albuquerque Civic Auditorium, Albuquerque, New Mexico

Set 1: Truckin'-Sugaree-Beat It On Down The Line-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Jack Straw-Deal-Playing In The Band-Cumberland Blues-Me And Bobby McGee-You Win Again-Mexicali Blues-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One>Wharf Rat-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Deadicated to Strider Brown, because memory is a net full of holes, the most beautiful prizes slip through it…..

And all around is the desert; a corner of the mournful kingdom of sand…….

A very fine show and another personal favorite. I’ve advocated for this show for decades, and always hoped a good FM or SBD copy would someday magically appear. Yes, until that day came, at least once a year I would break out my old, not-entirely-but-almost-unlistenable copy and revisit it. Strong playing, good songs, nice jams. Highly recommended, especially now that it’s available in impeccable sound quality!!!

You should not see the desert simply as some faraway place of little rain. There are many forms of thirst……

Rock on!!

Doc
The rules of survival never change, whether you're in a desert or in an arena…..

I can only imagine what hearing Rex's tape of the show sounded like after years of aural abuse. I love, love, love that Other One sandwich. The thematic jamming is just fantastic! And if that weren't enough, they follow up with one of my favorite versions of NFA> GDTRFB> NFA. I'm glad I got to hear it in the fantastic form from Messrs Jackson and Norman. 11/8/70 is a show I desperately wish existed on SBD. That is a truly exceptional show with a dream setlist. Okay, gonna wrap up now after a detour to listen to that Rosalie McFall a couple times. Epic Dew and Dark Star> Main Ten, and It's All Over Now, Baby Blue. But 11/17/71, is a show that would have been much higher in people's books had a clean SBD circulated like its release partner, 12/14/71 and the Felt Forum shows. Or even the new 12/10/71 release, which decent tapes seemed to circulate if not exist in entireity in the Vault.

That's good news!
The only people who refer to other posters as "whiners" are demonstrable idiots.

user picture

Member for

17 years 5 months

Submitted by Oroborous on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 06:44

Permalink

I thought “everyone’s opinion” was important, now I’m an idiot because I have an opinion?

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

16 years 9 months

Submitted by docmarty on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 06:52

Permalink

.....well you know what they say about opinions....a joke btw....albeit perhaps not my best......just trying to lighten things up a little......

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 07:14

Permalink

I could tell some jokes. Has anyone every heard the joke the allies created to counter the German's who invented the funniest joke in the world that was used as a weapon in WWII? A joke so deadly funny.. that anyone who heard it died of laugheter?

user picture

Member for

12 years

Submitted by Dennis on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 08:30

Permalink

yes that joke was a killer and when used in conjunction with the "killer rabbit" the war was quickly won!!

That Rabbit had big pointy, nasty, teeth!
It’s a good thing they had the holy hand grenade!

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months

Submitted by daverock on Fri, 11/19/2021 - 12:27

Permalink

If you think having the right to express your opinion gives you the right to insult other people, then you run the risk of being insulted yourself in return.
That's not aimed at you Oro, it's just one of the things I've realised. If you don't recognise this, not only will you hurt other people, you will also get hurt yourself.

user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months

Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 00:45

Permalink

Oh good one.

Stolzfus did you listen to 11/19/72 on its name date? I still have that great updated copy you gave me.

Anyone listen to the single disc release of 11-18-72? Man, Phil comes in loud on that one. Now there's a situation where I believe JEFFREY NORMAN could, if the money was invested, bring Phil down in the mix. I know I know, it's a two-track source; but I'll bet he could lower the level of that entire right track and fill the space in with more of the left track. It would not be a "stereo" recording at that point, but Phil would still come mostly out of the right, and Jerry would be much more audible - which is important, because he really shreds it up with the boys on Playing in the Band. I believe this Houston rendition of PITB is widely considered 2nd only to Veneta. In my mind Berkeley 8/25 is right up there too (but the Heady Version crowd disagrees - last I checked 8/25 is far down the list).

I am trying to figure out where these 1972 St. Louis shows stand in the scheme of things. Are any on them better than any of these released shows '72 shows? Released. Shows. Back key not working.

DP 11
DP 23
DP 36

DaP 24
30 Trips '72

So I'm listening to 10/19/72 here, and they're trying to figure out what to play next. Jerry samples the intro to Dire Wolf, and says "wanna do it?", Bobby says "sure let's do it" - and they're off and running. And I'm thinking jeesh I can't recall them doing this one recently. Sure enough, my trusty FM set list guide indicates they hadn't played it since Europe. Five months it had been, and they just up and pull off a near perfect rendition. Who ARE these people?

user picture

Member for

16 years 5 months

Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 01:59

Permalink

50 years ago today…..

November 20, 1971
Pauley Pavilion, University of California @ Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California

Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Sugaree-Beat It On Down The Line-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-Brown Eyed Women-El Paso-Big Railroad Blues-Jack Straw-Cumberland Blues-Playing In The Band-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Deadicated to sepp the promoter, mikegordon, mickyfun, desertgirl, maisenberg, double-zero sol, jamesegal, uptownww, tubeguitaramps, dickelliott, csteitz, ortise, blue planetary storm, rlbilsky, progguy, stevehcohen, martyweinberg, andychatfield, drummingclown420, and jackstrawfrommaine because memory narrativises itself……..

Who am I? Where am I? What am I doing here and what does it all mean? And he may look at you and say something weird but y’know it’s all in the game of life and there’s nothin’ you can do about it………….

Some where between Albuquerque and Los Angeles, Truckin’ went straight to the top of the charts in Turlock, California………

Sure wish the commonly circulating soundboards of this show were better quality. Perhaps some day it will be cleaned up and officially released, so that it can get the respect it deserves. Solid, well played, underrated and underappreciated…………….

Nothing in life is to be feared, it is only to be understood. Now is the time to understand more, so that we may fear less………

Rock on!!

Doc
We must be willing to let go of the life we have planned, so as to have the life that is waiting for us……

user picture
Default Avatar

Member for

7 years 4 months

Submitted by laf848 on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 06:45

Permalink

Started listening to the Boxset for the 2nd time. Wow, I just Love this Boxset ! Think I will be listening to this set for awhile, Thanks Dave !

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Sat, 11/20/2021 - 12:30

Permalink

no I didn't get an opportunity to listen to 11/19/72. eventually...

Oh, for a full Norman of that show...

user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months

Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 02:07

Permalink

Proudfoot = Stoltzfus??? I'll need to think about that one awhile...

Agree, if ever a show required the Full Norman....it should get shown the light eventually. I would love to hear the Bertha opener cleaned up.

11/19/72
Set 1: Bertha, Me and My Uncle, Sugaree, Beat It On Down the Line, Bird Song, Black-Throated Wind, Don't Ease Me In, Mexicali Blues, Box of Rain, Tomorrow Is Forever, Big River, China Cat Sunflower, I Know You Rider, Playing in the Band, Casey Jones

Set 2: The Promised Land, Ramble On Rose, El Paso, Stella Blue, Jack Straw, Dark Star, Weather Report Suite Prelude, Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodeloo, Around and Around, Big Railroad Blues, Sugar Magnolia, Going Down the Road Feelin' Bad

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 08:43

Permalink

stoltz = proud
fus = fuss = foot

user picture

Member for

16 years 2 months

Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 13:21

Permalink

Stoltzfus!
Is that name of Pennsylvania "Dutch" ancestry?
Origins of those people are in the modern-day German states of Palatinate, Baden-Wurttemberg, Hesse, and Rhineland with Swiss & the French Region of Alsace-Lorraine mixed in for good measure.

Proudfoot!
Mighty proud you are. I'm cool with that fact.

user picture

Member for

16 years 2 months

Submitted by Born Cross Eye… on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 13:31

Permalink

A hopefully near-future release, either Dave's Picks (43? 45? 46? etc.) or part of a box set.

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 15:44

Permalink

I heard somewhere along the way it isnt in the vault

If it is one of the returned Bettys...

:)))

user picture

Member for

13 years 4 months

Submitted by JimInMD on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 20:59

Permalink

I have it on good authority that Stoltzfus was abducted by a manic tribe of Sasquatch and is living peacefully on a remote peak high in the Cascade mountains. We are not sure if this was by choice or by force.. on the bright side, his catalytic converter theft paranoia issues no longer plague him.

user picture

Member for

4 years 3 months

Submitted by proudfoot on Sun, 11/21/2021 - 21:32

Permalink

Mennonite and Amish

The Sasquatches got some gooooood green

I live with them by choice :)))

They did catch a CC thief and barbecued his ass...

user picture

Member for

10 years 3 months

Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 05:45

Permalink

Slight correction - Stoltzfus himself actually escaped the Sasquatches (plural), as documented in the upcoming semi-biography titled "The Duck of Death". It's a "semi" biography because the ending was changed to give it a happier, more Americanized ending.

As documented in The Duck of Death, Stoltzfus was abroad with a traveling companion seeking riches in the Cascade Mountains, when the Sasquatches attacked shortly before dawn. Stoltzfus returned to camp from a supply-gathering excursion to find his traveling companion under attack by the tribe of Sasquatches. Stoltzfus stood witness a moment to develop a strategy, as his friend coyly evaded repeated attacks from the Sasquatches by simply ducking out of the way of the beasts' onslaught. It appears the only way Sasquatches know how to fight is by drunk boxing, which, as all of you know, employs a slow forceful punch, preceded by a slow wind-up, designed to knock-out an adversary with one powerful blow. This is usually a reliable technique for the Sasquatches, which is how they've managed to thwart extinction all these years.

As chronicled in The Duck of Death, Sasquatches live on over-ripe fruit when they can't find meat, so it ferments and they often wander the wilderness drunk and happy (but dangerous still, in my mind).

Unbeknownst to the tribe of Sasquatches, however, Stoltzfus' traveling companion invented the game Whac-A-Mole in the early 70s, and so, he was quite adept with the principal of ducking quickly to avoid attack, and popping right back up to frustrate and stymie opponents, until they eventually tire out and give up.

The book was titled The Duck Of Death, because, in the fictionalized ending, Stoltzfus and his traveling companion fended off the entire tribe of Sasquatches in this manner, and they rode off into the sunset, leaving a clearing full of passed out, dead-looking Sasquatches.

In reality, however, the ending was not so glorious, as they're so often not.
In truth, the Sasquatches won the day, as Whac-A-Mole was intended to be a one player game, and his adversaries were many. But this very attack style of the Sasquatches is what gave Stoltzfus his chance to escape; he was able to maneuver to higher ground when the melee started, and began throwing rocks at the drunken Sasquatches. This was as ferocious and effective as an Ewok attack, perhaps more so, and things were looking up for the two of them....but alas, as they were down to the final two Sasquatches, his traveling companion met the down-side of luck and expired. As his buddy successfully ducked out of the way of one slow haymaker, he popped back up into the randomly timed swing of another drunk-boxing punch from the second of the pair of Sasquatches, and...well, that's why the fictionalized ending was concocted over many bottles of wine, which Jim has already described.

user picture

Member for

10 years 2 months

Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 07:16

Permalink

Cool! We are everywhere. I have ancestry in two of those German regions, Baden-Wurttemberg and Alsace-Lorraine. The French side I think but they are famous for their adaptability.
Prost!

user picture

Member for

6 years 10 months

Submitted by dreading on Mon, 11/22/2021 - 11:49

Permalink

JimInMD and KeithFan2112, you two (and otjers) consistently make me laugh on these message boards. I picture you as the "class clowns" of your day. Close to the mark?

KeithFan2112, I was curious since I thought JimInMD was correct. You may want to know:

Sas·quatch
/ˌsasˈkwaCH,ˈsaskwäːCH/
noun
plural noun: Sasquatch

product sku
889198321643
Product Magento URL
https://store.dead.net/special-edition-shops/st-louis-collection/listen-to-the-river-st-louis-71-72-73-20-cd-1.html