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    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • #321
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    I'm listening to this off the headphones for the first time. I don't have the HD CD player but the DVD player on playing this through is doing something really cool with 5.1 surround sound on. I often wonder what I'm missing without the HD CD player. The headphones experience of a show is so much different than a live room. Now I'm curious to hear how does PNC 1973 shows sound on the 5.1 system.

    Jimmy - great point dude, I never even thought of that. The Dead themselves could have worn parts of these tapes out from just reviewing their performances.

    Philontap - I have a feeling it was probably your post that I read on the Hoffman forum. I posted a short comment. Haven't been back there in a few days. Will check out He's Gone. I love those little nuances in their playing.

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    God, not only were you there, you were "there". When I saw The Stones at the Knebworth festival in 1976, I was so far away I could have been in the next county.

    Funny when we attend a gig/show/festival that subsequently gets perceived and represented as a historical event-when at the time it just seems like another night out. I have never been to anything that had the magnitude of Altamont. I can remember seeing the Sex Pistols around the time they became National threat in Britain - Decemer 1976. If there hadn't been such a fuss afterwards, I'm not sure I would have remembered it.

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    I was among those on the Hoffman forums touting the 10/17/72 Playin' jam as in my top 5 all time. This whole box is really a magnificent compilation of material. Second only to the E'72 trunk. I don't have the trunk itself but I have all the shows. Man, this band could cook.

    I have't been here in a while, but hello again and enjoy it all. Special mention of He's Gone from 10/19/72: at 9:59, Jerry and Bobby emerge from their typical exit jam and somehow simultaneously drop into this gorgeous melody over chord idea that they nail in unison. Bobby then chooses to move to a harmonic counterpoint, but he and Jer move in an out of unison as Phil ramps up the intensity to a clear Jerry blast out at 10:31. These moments are why I buy these releases. That 32-second sequence paid for the entire box. No other rock band could ever do that.

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    ....firing up 10.29.73 from this box. The band loved long shows that year. Ain't complaining. Spent a couple days revisiting '79 on the Pick Of The Day board. So much music. So little time
    And yes. This box rules Jimbo.
    Golden Knights and Philly Flyers tied up after two periods btw.
    Edit. We need more heads chiming in on that board. It's fun.

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    Yes I went to see the show at Altamont...I mean it was the Stones, GD, Santana etc supposedly....I was somewhat upfront and as the day word on being by myself I moved closer to the stage, about 60 ft. from it...Angels were out of control...there were a couple of busses parked close to the stage and through the day they were sitting on top for a better view...by late afternoon they were tossing urine filled wine bottles into the crowd...fun...pundits like to call this concert the end of the hippy dream etc but I think that a buncha hooey...all the bands did their best and there were some great momentsbut still...

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    This box rules.. if I have one complaint.. I think they listened to these masters a bit too before they put them in storage. You can tell the source tapes were dragged across heads a few times. ..but hey, that's testament that they were good shows. Pure speculation of course, but I just might be correct.

    A great box. Now.. about BCT a couple months earlier. That's next.

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    I wrestled sleep to feed this box set addiction. But screw it, TGIF. The Dark Star tease at the end of the 10/17 Bertha kills me every time. Rational thought reminds me that they wouldn't have played it the next night if they had gone into it on 10/17, but it gets me all the same. Kind of like the Wild Thing tease on DP 28 before GSET.

    So yeah, 10/17 - I was on the Dave Hoffman forum, and there was much talk about the PITB - so I thought I'd pass that on. It wasn't a "yeah it's a pretty good 72 version"; it was a flat out "the 10/17 PITB jumped to my top 3" sort of remark. I fell asleep before it ever came on, so today for sure. What I did uncover was Billy's drumming on El Paso - I can't say I've ever heard him whip this song up like he does here. Lots of great snare pops and giddy-ups between verses (I think he was doing couplets or double time or some such musical term - any drummers in the house?)

    12/10 is on the agenda for today. Doc I think you made a good call on the Good Lovin' jam section. I think it may be better than any of the E72 versions - looking forward to paying close attention to that one on its anniversary. In fact I have 50 minutes before work - I'm going to turn off Bird Song and turn on that 2nd set from12/10.

    Daverock, yeah I did react emotionally. I tend to stay on the sidelines, but there are a few people here I keep in touch with well enough to call friends.

    On second thought I'm going to let this Bird Song play through. Jerry brought the stuff.

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    50 years ago today…..

    December 10, 1971
    Fox Theater, St Louis, Missouri

    Set 1: Bertha-Me And My Uncle-Mr. Charlie-Loser-Beat It On Down The Line-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Next Time You See Me-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Big Railroad Blues-Casey Jones

    Set 2: Good Lovin'-Brokedown Palace-Playing In The Band-Run Rudolph Run-Deal-Sugar Magnolia-Comes A Time-Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Sitting On Top Of The World>The Other One-Not Fade Away>China Cat Sunflower jam>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

    Encore: One More Saturday Night

    This is deadicated to Kevin Kelly……………

    The solid but somewhat unremarkable first set gives no clue of the upcoming super nova second set. Highlights include the great Good Lovin’ to open and the massive jam that closes the set. Another monster December 1971 show, and one that actually does get widespread love and respect. I am eternally grateful to TPTB for its official release. Savor it!

    Ladies and gentlemen we have a loose frap………..

    Rock on!!

    Doc
    The universe is built on a plan the profound symmetry of which is somehow present in the inner structure of our intellect…..

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    Thanks for that-no hard feelings on my behalf either. It seems wherever you get people together you get disputes (whenever I've involved, anyway) - what matters is if and how you resolve them.

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    12/9 - if nothing else it has the GOAT Run Rudolph Run.

    Sometimes I sit back and marvel that we have all of these shows to listen to. I count roughly 25 officially released 1971 shows (partial releases and compilations). I don't have 25 Rush, Who, and Yes shows combined from their entire touring careers. I wonder what that cost them from night to night - and then take into consideration that they weren't exactly a wealthy band pre-hiatus. I know they used these tapes to analyze their performances, but where do they even find the time to do that...

    I hadn't heard 12/9 until the box came out. I've listened to it a bunch if times now, and yeah, it's shorter, and doesn't pack the heat of a long 2nd set jam.....but hinking back to when the archive releases first got off the ground in the early 90s, and there we're long droughts between releases, would we have been as excited about a12/9 show? It's kind of a rhetorical question for me, because I wasn't into them at the time, but I imagine anything live would have been a treat. It takes a lot of listens for me to really absorb a show, but I think they played as well as 12/10, right?

    No hard feelings Daverock.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Sun, 12/05/2021 - 02:08

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50 years ago today…..

December 5, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1:Bertha-Beat It On Down The Line-Big Boss Man-Brown-Eyed Women-I Washed My Hands In Muddy Water-Jack Straw-Mr. Charlie-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Deal-Playing In The Band-Next Time You See Me-Comes A Time-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'-Ramble On Rose-It Hurts Me Too-Sugaree-Sugar Magnolia-Dark Star Jam>Me And My Uncle>Dark Star Jam>Sitting On Top Of The World-Me And Bobby McGee-Big Railroad Blues-Mexicali Blues-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to jrpaulson2009, canonico, pauldaley1, pony, b o, dirtrider5, alain, neveralull, ed.head, ords120, djaspen, manofort, zygster, mistercharlie, saintstevie, rockysgraetful, the tailgunner, doctorpat, and punster61, because weirdness accrues….

A new member of the family, a vote for male chauvinism, the youngest old timer, the erudite strong backbone of the organization, a very very youthful, ebullient and a very very dirty softball player, and the godfather of rock and roll play a show for the ages……

Was there something in the water? One of the greatest, weirdest, most loved, and most bootlegged shows of 1971, which has just about everything 1971 Dead that anybody could reasonably expect---equipment problems, rowdy crowd, rock and roll, Pigpen, cowboy songs, soulful Jerry, ethereal Truckin’, Dark Star, fiery Not Fade Away suite. I have probably gone through more versions of this broadcast than any other single Dead show I’ve ever had. If a clean soundboard were to suddenly surface---and circulate!---I could die a happy man. Truly very, very deserving of official release. Please, TPTB, make it so!!!!

Who was Uncle Sal???

Rock on!!

Doc
This whole world is wild at heart and weird on top…..

Nice quote form David Lynch's "Wild At Heart" below. One of the most imaginative directors I have ever come across. I started watching the third series of "Twin Peaks" again last week - and it really is one of the most unusual things I have ever seen in my life. It seems to bloom out from the collective unconcious completely unchecked. Reminds me a bit of Salavador Dali saying-to paraphrase - that he didnt take drugs, because he WAS drugs. So's "Twin Peaks".

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Submitted by daverock on Sun, 12/05/2021 - 10:49

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Another one from a David Lynch film-Mulholland Drive. Truer today than ever.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Sun, 12/05/2021 - 17:58

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That's a huge setlist. When the 12/7/71 Dave's Picks came out, I put Dark Star and Muddy Water in there, along with the best extra stuff from 12/6. Made a unique "reboot" cover and it's been paradise ever since. Looking forward to the 12/5 Full Norman someday, but it's been pushed back a couple of times in lieu of other Autumn shows since the big recovery of tapes to the Vault.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Mon, 12/06/2021 - 01:29

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50 years ago today……

December 6, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Mr. Charlie-Jack Straw-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Run Rudolph Run-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-Black Peter-Next Time You See Me-Casey Jones

Set 2: Big Railroad Blues-Me And My Uncle-Ramble On Rose-Playing In The Band-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And Bobby McGee>jam>The Other One>jam>Wharf Rat-One More Saturday Night

Encore: Uncle John's Band

Deadicated to GM and JF, because music is essentially built upon primitive memory structures….

Beneath all the madness, a bundle of joy, the Grateful Dead…..

It can be really tough being the show that comes immediately after a classic. While this one isn’t as weird and cosmic as the previous evening, it’s a well played, high quality, enjoyable December show. Not top tier, but still recommended………

One recognizes one's course by discovering the paths that stray from it…..

Rock on!!

Doc
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Does the winged life destroy
But he who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in eternity's sun rise…..

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 12/06/2021 - 11:57

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Did a straight run through of 12/6 only. Really enjoy the Hammond / Piano combo on these shows. Highlights for me: Bobby McGee, Wharf Rat, Ramble On Rose, and I'm always up for '71 UJB.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Mon, 12/06/2021 - 14:47

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Anniversary of another great show. We only got the highlights or at least most of the highlights on the Road Trips 2011 bonus disc (heh, don't go- a-buying that one on eBay!). 40+ minute Dark Star gets top billing, but there's a biggie that's not there on the bonus disc: Here Comes Sunshine. Absolutely undoubtedly top 3, weighing in at 15+ minutes and just exactly perfect.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 01:18

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50 years ago today…..

December 7, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Cold Rain & Snow-Beat It On Down The Line-Mr Charlie-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Next Time You See Me-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Brokedown Palace-Run Rudolph Run-You Win Again-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones

Set 2: Sugar Magnolia-Ramble On Rose-Big Boss Man-Mexicali Blues-Brown Eyed Women-Me & My Uncle -Smokestack Lightning-Deal-Truckin'-Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: One More Saturday Night

Deadicated to Alan Richman, because some men's memory is like a box where a man should mingle his jewels with his old shoes…..

A solid, well played, if unspectacular show. For some, the lack of a “big jam” might knock this two a notch or two. There’s some good stuff here, but you have to dig for it. Decent dose of Pigpen (including a rare Smokestack Lightning, which, while good, is not “rave worthy”), cowboy tunes, and an up tempo closing segment. Definitely worth a listen.

You cannot create experience. You must undergo it……

Rock on!!

Doc
The natural effect of sorrow over the dead is to refine and elevate the mind…..

just been a bit non-verbal, and pushing through these next two weeks before winter break arrives. The break is nice and welcome, but it squishes tasks up a bunch.

12/5/71 is spectacular
12/6/73 is spectacular
I love love love the LTTR boxset

there are times when we hit some posting doldrums, for sure

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 07:50

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Tried to answer here a few minutes ago and it would not let me sign in, even though I was already signed in to the home page. Weird, but not that unusual. The answer is everyone's over on DaP40, the most recent release has been the go to. I check every morning for Doc's words of wisdom. And the reviews are nice too.
Cheers!

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Submitted by estimated-eyes on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 08:11

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Last night gave the 12/10/71 Fox Theater show another listen (discs 2 and 3). What a great Good Lovin' and the jam sequence on disc 3 is spectacular. The Comes a Time might be my favorite version pre-hiatus (those 76 and 77 versions have that soaring solo that really make the song shine)-- really fine playing and singing.

Then i put in 12/7/71 for the commute to work this morning. Got through Sugaree and will play favorites on the way home. Gotta hear the Smokestack today.

I think we are all lost since they took down the Dave's forum. I heard that Jim was wandering aimlessly on an early DOS chatroom that he was able to dig up while others are busy chatting on the Facebook thingy.

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 08:29

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Here too.. I have been reading it all, just a little too busy to participate at the moment.

Funny.... I have a reply to a doc question he wrote last week. When I come up for air, I will put thought to words and finish.

I am enjoying every minute of it and have been (almost) keeping up with the 71 shows. By almost meaning I missed a month or so but am still tracking where I can.

Thanks all.. keep up the good vibes and good spirit. Lord knows we need it, it's much appreciated.

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Submitted by Sixtus_ on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 08:45

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...ha ha sames, I had brought this up yesterday on the DaP 40 board but I actually insisted the 12/6/73 HCS was a top 2, second only to Dick's Picks One/Tampa.
Because we ALL know we can agree THAT ONE is the tippy top tier HCS, amirite.

Sixtus

Yeah, WTF?
Would of dug that more than yet another China-Rider, nothing against, just comparatively speaking.
Think of it: HCS, DS, and that Eyes…I’d never listen to anything else lol.

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Submitted by daverock on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 11:08

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Doc's words of wisdom are usually quotes from other people. The fact that he doesn't credit his sources can give the impression he has written them himself. Purely an oversight, I am sure, with no wish on his behalf, to mislead anyone. He might know a lot about 1971, but he isn't Willam Blake !

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 11:11

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30 years ago tonight I was at the Warfield Theatre for the start of a great 3 night run with Garcia & Grisman. These shows were fantastic, when Garcia picked up his banjo that crowd was lit up. Anybody else here on the forum make to these shows? Garcia was in top form. It would be really nice if these shows were released as a box set, very special set of shows.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 11:40

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Yo! Rockers!

I have never implied, suggested, hinted at, or claimed that those "words of wisdom" were my own work.

Maybe next time people will think first and contact the person in question, instead of calling them out and flaming them in public..........

Didn't intend to announce this just yet, but I'll be leaving deadnet after January 2, 2022. Hopefully forever. I won't be missing this type of nonsense.................

Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished. Oops, sorry, guess I stole that from somebody too. Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, Andrew Mellon. There, happy now?

Doc
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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 12:34

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I certainly knew Doc's words were quotes but I don't think we need footnotes and citations here. A bit formal for this crowd. What I can appreciate is someone who is widely read and can bring that to the comment at hand.
Love it Doc! Keep 'em coming. Most days it's all that's worth reading here, at least to keep me motivated. Always forward, never straight as someone else posted recently. And on that note I do like your opinions Daverock on lots of different music. Grateful to all.
Cheers

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Submitted by JimInMD on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 19:48

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I even recognized a few of them. I enjoyed how they were folded in with the context of the posts in real time, sort of like a transition between songs. Well done, thoughtful and entertaining. Many thanks to the good doctor.

As you were.. back to your regularly scheduled Yellow Dog > Hard to Handle.

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Submitted by KeithFan2112 on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 20:13

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Your post reminds me of the Harvard bar guy from Good Will Hunting. You know which scene I'm talking about - everyone's at the bar having a real hootenanny, and then the Harvard prick walks up and tries to piss on their good time by flexing the 'ol knowledge muscles. But the actual smart guy in the room calls him out as the needy attention prick he is. Sort of what happened with the comedy you started here today. The humor is Doc's reply and the joke's on you. You named one guy - William Blake - and he helps you out with a half dozen more: Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, and Andrew Mellon. I chortled when I read that. You ought to thank him for helping you out with a few others.

Doc's been gracing us with these fine bits of wisdom for months, but we haven't heard from you until today. Did you just figure out he's been quoting people? I'll let you in on a little secret - we already knew! I guess we're.....what? A room full of halfwits you wanted to bring up to speed when the light bulb went on this morning?

I've been reading posts from Doc and you for a few years, and trust me - the man doesn't need to quote anyone to write circles around you, 1971 or otherwise. He does it, I suspect, to entertain and to bring out our "inner-introspective" which I've found to be....a good thing. There is no better deed than to bring a good thing to someone's day.

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Submitted by DeadVikes on Tue, 12/07/2021 - 21:36

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We need more people like you on this site, not less.

Hang in there.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 02:20

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Sorry about that, I thought last night after I posted that you probably knew about the quotes. But I'd put my laptop away by then.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 02:30

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You've come out fighting! I misinterpreted Ist show's comment about Doc's words of wisdom which he has rightly corrected me about, and which I have duly apologised for. I think you got a bit over emotional there.

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Submitted by dreading on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 05:08

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I disagree that anyone responded out of line. I think if this was the first time you "corrected" somebody than "it was a simple misunderstanding" would be fine. That is not the case. In the past several months you have crossed a line I have noticed on a few occasions and become argumentative about your opinions instead of respectfully disagreeing, and the thing is I noticed on these occasions that your negativity is not in response to something negative (in other words you seem to be the instigator). I thought to myself in the past, that was a little odd for Daverock, he is not usually harsh like that. If this were the first time, it would be tolerable but unacceptable still. Maybe you had a bad day is what I thought. Your comments yesterday were just flat out unnecessary and seem mean spirited. I am not sure where the misunderstanding was on your part, but it's not important now. Your apology came late and seems a little half hearted considering how many people spoke out against your posting. Now it seems you are trying to dismiss somebody's remarks about your behavior as overemotional it seems to me to deflect the spot light. Apologies do not come off as sincere when you shift the focus to someone else. Doc is well respected on these boards because he's a genuinely good guy and KF's reply is what you need to hear. I believe most people enjoy seeing you here (and I do too) but maybe lighten up on people a bit.

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 05:45

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It's your prerogative to disagree of course - bur my apology to 1stshow was sincere. I simply misinterpreted what he said as implying that he thought Doc's words of wisdom were his own.

My post didnt include any criticsm of Doc himself. I pointed out what is evident in his posts-that he quotes people without credting who, and that he knows a lot about 1971. I didn't say he necessarily should credit his sources, but in not doing so, he runs the risk of misleading people. This is what I, mistakingly as it happens, thought had happened. I went on to say in my original post that if he had mislead people, then I was sure it was unintentional.

Keithfan's post seemed more like a general attack on me, as he felt that I had attacked someone he respects. No harm done at all.

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Submitted by Forensicdoceleven on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 06:00

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Yo! Rockers!!

OMG PLEASE STOP!!!!

So that we may return to the usual nonsensical, often meaningless babble about our favorite garage band..........

Rock on,

Doc
I beg you take courage; the brave soul can mend even disaster.......(Catherine the Great)

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 06:53

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Forgot who recommended this show, but it's excellent. First time I noticed they changed the 2nd chord from a G major to a Em, to match Marty Robbin's version. When did they switch?? This kind of stuff keeps me up at night

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 07:11

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not sure about El Paso chord changes

I have wondered when the big change in lyrics of Comes a Time happened

"the words come out in an angry stream
you hear yourself say things you could never mean
the heat cools down
and you find your mind
you got a lot of words to stand behind"

or something close to that

those lyrics disappeared...when?

that would be a good release
but prolly no soundboard

1969, Dave.

1969.

I think we all know that the written word is easily open to misinterpretation, and that most communication is 'non verbal'. I'm sure if we were all sat around a campfire or wherever chatting most of the recent misunderstandings and upset wouldn't happen, or would be more easily sorted. I know i have both caused upset and been upset by comments on here.
So, please, take a couple of deep breaths if you're contemplating having a go at someone.
This is not the place
Thank you

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 08:36

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In the late 90's when I was forced to listen to a country western FM station over the PA at work all day in a retail store I decided to call in a request during their "classic country" segment in the morning. Didn't know the artist, I told the DJ, but it's called El Paso. He thought that was a great classic and aired Marty right away. Next day I asked for Big River, which he also dug. After about a week of calling in GD country covers he asked where I got these and was I an old timer that remembered them from when they were new. When I told him that I was learning where these great Grateful Dead covers came from there was silence, then he thanked me politely for calling in. I tried a couple more times but clearly he was on to my radical hippy plot and my requests were ignored. But I did learn a lot! It also helped me listen for the modern rock guitar lines in what was passing for country then, and I did develop a taste for rockabilly too. Gotta make it somehow in the dreams you still believe in.
Cheers!

Cousins of the Pioneers: I have a "cousin" who is a masterful telecaster player for Marty Stuart Named "Cousin Kenny" Whitney. He is actually my ex-brother in law's cousin and has some solo work out there too. First saw him playing for Patty Loveless and much later for Lucinda Williams (replaced at times by Doug Pettybone, another great guitarist).

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Submitted by billy the kiddd on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 09:09

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"If you want something for nothing, jerk off": Bob Weir

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Submitted by JimInMD on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 10:02

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Ha.. that's a great one.

I see things are almost back to normal.. Good thing, I was getting ready to do my best Rodney Dangerfield.

Ok.. I have a little catch up to do and I really want to hit Dave's #40 again, then I plan to hit another listen to Listen to the River Sing Sweet Songs. Third try's a charm I say..

Don't visit for a few days and lookey wha' happens...On the other hand a couple of days ago was my 52nd Anniversary of attending Altamont...sheesh...I was planning on heading to a biker bar in town and getting my ass kicked to commerate the day but some snow kept me from traveling....

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Submitted by Vguy72 on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 13:36

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....Pee Wee's Big Adventure immediately came to mind.
"I'm trying to use the phone!"

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Submitted by daverock on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 14:25

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Nappyrags-you may well already have written about this in the past-in which case ignore me-but I wondered if it felt as ghastly being there as it looks in "Gimme Shelter." Granted, the cameras are focussed on the front of the stage, and the crowd looks like it stretches back into the distance, so for most people it may just have been like another festival. The lucky ones. A historic event, though, for sure.

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Submitted by proudfoot on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 14:25

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you were at Altamont? Truly?

The actual event was probably different from the myth, but still...

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 14:34

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Did you mean Cousin Kenny Vaughn perhaps? He's with Marty Stuart's aptly named Fabulous Superlatives. He's amazing! So is the rest of the band.

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Submitted by Cousins Of The… on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 14:42

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D-> Em -> A in 3/4 hungry

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Submitted by 1stshow70878 on Wed, 12/08/2021 - 14:55

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Duh! Yes Kenny Vaughn. I used my ex-brother in law's surname. Hadn't seen him since my sister's wedding where we were very long haired teen ushers when I got to see him play with Loveless in the early 90's. Then lost track of him again until I saw this skinny guy with Buddy Holley glasses tearing it up on Austin City Limits with Lucinda. A lot of paying his dues in Nashville before and in between. Not bad for a long haired rocker gone rockabilly! And Marty Stuart, I think named after Marty Robbins if I have that straight and no slouch himself on guitar, has really helped Cousin Kenny shine. Thanks!
My last 5? All Lucinda Williams (on Ytube) doing covers of Stones, Dylan, Clash, Bobby Gentry, et.al. She slays me.

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