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    Bolo24 says: An Idea, Perhaps? Since we're all going to have a fair amount of spare time on our hands for the foreseeable future, what about starting another thread where we all listen to the same show/release on a given day and then share impressions afterward? Folks can submit suggestions and one person (not me) picks what we'll all listen to - call it Deadnet Picks or something. Anyway, if this idea is deemed to have merit, I'd suggest one of the loyal regular posters take the lead and do the picking - y'all can decide who. Might be fun. If it does go forward, I nominate Dick's Picks 18 for the first listen. Been talked about here lately, and, had it been a single show rather than a compilation, we'd probably be talking about it in the same conversation as Cornell, Veneta, etc. Or perhaps even Gainesville?? Stay safe and healthy, friends - this planet needs as many Deadheads as possible.

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  • marye
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    Yeah, that was a time, back at the academic fest, and it was great to meet you too. And in any case, glad to see you back here.
  • JimInMD
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    Very good recording of a nice late era show. The highlight for me was Space>The Other One with Ornette but all in all the show is balanced, clean and well played.

    As for 6/26/74, all I can say is more. More 74. I'm hitting that now as I do a little yardwork on the lazy river road I live on. Cleaning the house is next. It takes a good, jazzy 1974 classic to get through housework without becoming grumplestilkskin. And the house is a little trashed so make it a good, long show and tomorrow will be a brighter day.

    Clean 25 and a show like that. Certainly a pivotal moment in time for those involved.

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    The bus came by and we got on.............

    Morning, rockers!!

    You can probably imagine what I listened to on my morning commute...........

    Can it really be 50 years since we had our minds blown at the Providence Civic Center???!!!

    It was my high school graduation present from my brother. He & his best friend took me & my best friend (that was his first show, can you imagine that?!!). Cosmic music, killer sound system, clean 25, sign us up, we're on the bus!! For life!!!

    The nice surprise Big River show opener, the way cool, very bouncy, jammy, stand alone Scarlet Begonias, yes The Race Is On, fine Half Step, we Let It Grow, second surprise US Blues to open set two, tremendous China/Rider, great Truckin', fine Other One big jam, a touch of the Spanish theme, and of course the major major surprise, once-in-a-lifetime Eyes Of The World encore. A night to remember, and yes I do!!!

    Best show I ever saw. We wouldn't see another of this kind for ten years, but that's a story for October. You know what I mean............

    There is not one big cosmic meaning for all, there is only the meaning we each give to our life, an individual meaning, an individual plot, like an individual novel, a book for each person........

    Rock on,

    Doc
    Shine like the day I set cosmic eyes on you, friend, by the light of the sweet squash in my lovely laser broom.....

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    A bit of synchronicity. I recently re-read Vonnegut's "Sirens Of Titan" and did some googling to see if anyone was still pursuing bringing it to the silver screen. What should pop up but your interview with Garcia in 1987 discussing that very topic!

    By the way, I certainly enjoyed meeting you a few years back in San Jose. Hope all is well with you.

    "Shall we go, you and I while we can, through the chrono-synclastic infundibulum?"

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    Good to see you.
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    2/23/93 - Mardi Gras with Ornette Coleman. Our group of friends had a float in the parade (kind of a long story). Our "Acme Krewe" was listed at the bottom of the poster for that show.

    As usual, I will categorically deny posting here today.

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    Really,
    Unless you were there, you’ll never fully grasp this show. (Toga 84)
    One of our best GD experiences, right up there with Oxford 88!
    In a word: ELECTRIC! The weather, crowd, vibe, cannot KNOW this show without all that.
    The Dancin in the Streets is pretty much the theme song for this show.
    Started the day before and didn’t stop until the next day.
    (I’ll share some more stories separately)
    Yeah the vocals are ragged on Dancin, but have been on every show opener on this tour so far. Dire Wolf has a little cocaine gargle but it’s not that bad?
    Minglewood is off the fuggin charts! Seriously, (besides Bobs slide solo going on to long and the unfortunate mandatory screaming badger being tortured noise) it’s a monster! And from there things just keeps on growing.
    Wonderland was good, but polite, which makes sense considering national radio coverage in two countries along with very pricey tickets (Seva Benefit).
    City Isle started out ruff, but creeped to where I felt the Drumz onward was good, but,…, but Toga…Insane!
    I’m sure the environment/vibe/energy or what not was so intense the band would have felt it, probably before arrival lol
    And they sure seemed to rise to it: going hard for it and having just as much fun as us, well, almost lol. Not only could you feel it, you could see they were way into it!
    I think the only critique I can make about this show was, too much energy. They were so jacked up on the vibe (on top of everything else; ) that at times I think over enthusiasm led to not always being just exactly perfect. Hard to describe, they generally played well, just not so perfect, if that makes sense?
    I’m onto Blossom currently, the third show we hit that summer, and so far it’s ok, but..kinda laid back after the opening volley of tour ragers.
    Oh, yeah, Merriweather I rehashed and they’re similar: start out ragged, but look out, the rocket lifts off and burns baby burns. Again, hot but excess sometimes perhaps leads to occasional less than perfect moments, but good shows if not RJ. Summer tour 84,
    Onward!

    Can’t imagine those shows on a bike. The rain was what helped make both those shows so fun, but in 85 by the next day we’d had enough, (even before Hershey lol) and we weren’t on bikes! But hey, the adversity usually helped make good shows great!

    Edit: added my story to the 6/24/84 show page if anyones interested.

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    Doc you were there? I normally don't spend time feeling envious, but this is one of those shows where I sure wish I coulda been there. After all these years it is still a show I'll listen to any day, any time. There's something for everyone: Weir was absolutely on, Healy with his bag of tricks, Phil on mad bombing runs (and that Tom Thumb's!!), drummers on point all night long, Brent so colorful and out in front (and just a demon on the organ), and I run out of superlatives to talk about Garcia's performance this day.

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    Hey Jim, no question, play Airto Moreira and the Gods of Jazz recordings Killer Bees, or Revenge of the Killer Bees. Chick Corea, Herbie Hancock, Stanley Clarke early fusion, like Weather Report but different, very interesting, under the radar stuff. For treatment, instead of toxic spray, Dr. Bronners peppermint castille in cool water, soak that nest from safe distance with a hose end sprayer on a cold morning . Bees, wasps etc hate peppermint and soap being surfactant, gets under their exoskeletal shells. Once the nest is soaked a time or two, they will abandon.

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    Hey hey hey................

    As a certain Mr Pen used to say, "Baby I ain't no balcony hanger!"..........

    The 1985 SPAC show was the only Dead show I ever attended solo. Beautiful day, rode out on the bike, camped out on the lawn, had some green leafy material, just enjoyed the heck out of the whole experience!

    Early the next morning set out for Hershey. Got soaked on the way, but hey, when you're on a bike and you get soaked, you can't get any wetter. My best friend and my brother---both bikers---were supposed to ride down and met me there and we'd ride back together. LOL they chickened out. It rained, but we kept the blow dry. Another enjoyable and noteworthy experience..........

    Rode back solo the next day, those were the days!

    Rock on!!!

    Doc, paperwork day!
    Youth has no age.....

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Good to hear from you Bluecrow.

Under the radar is right.

I like this show, short, great sounding Bear recording.

Nice China Rider to Start, bummer that Dire Wolf was cut. What a finish with the full Other One suite-Dark Star St. Stephen into Lovelight. Fantastic. You can definitely hear the difference with TC in the mix

Interested in what you all think.

Looking back at it, I think 2016 was an interesting year of releases, very unique.

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Howdy BC!
Nice to see ya!

1/23/70, another neglected beauty!
Wanted it so bad I actually forked over on the black market (and worth it!)
Haven’t heard recently or enough! Good call!
So tonight I’ll need to try and squeeze 11/17/71 and 1/23/70, and what ever else I’m delinquent on…

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Good to see you too Senator!

Been so long this is like random arrival of a new primal DaP in the mail.

Really really fine stuff. Yes, nice call DV!

...to 1/23/70 and the little scooby snack from 1/24 just because. This one's a sleeper and a keeper. Perhaps it slithers under the radar due to 2/13 and 2/14 Fillmore East and the May shows at the same venue, but it's got everything going for it. A great recording, a big jam sequence, some rarities and high octane rock and roll. It's got an odd little set list and not quite the momentum you often see with the first set, second set structure but it's a powerhouse and a great release. That's Your Groove is right. Love 1970 GD

Thanks DVikes.

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1/18/78 ? Ok, not sure I see this as a pick but it’s on his “possible” list.
11/17/71✔️ Man what a year, they just keep getting better and better.
11/20/71✔️Digging the TOO weirdness and jams that are starting to become common again.
1/23/70✔️
Gonna hit that 1/24/70 today and???

Jim pretty much hit the nail on the head about 1/23/70. Yeah I really like that one! Good call!
Worth black market purchase!

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Really enjoyed CD 1 from Dicks 30. Just picked that up from Real Gone.
Going to wait until I have time to do full 3/28/72 though.
Maybe I’ll hit some Louie 73 later?

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I am definitely up for a pick. Let me know the verdict OB.

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Hit 1/24/70 fer a tasty snack, onto 10/29/73!
But if you need something later, I still have a list of BC and others suggestions?
This week while on doc train layover might look at some of Dave’s “list” again.

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Sounds good man.

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I started on the new box today too.. hitting my second listen. I finished 12/9/71 and on to 12/10. Yummi.

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Indeed. So far the 71s have been the wild card/standouts, they sound sooooo good!
10/29 besides the sweet psychedelic TOO hasn’t fully resonated yet. Of course it’s neighbor is hard to complete with.

Hey GO VIKS!
Feck off AR!
Hey man I needed something to make up for Bu fa fa lows embarrassment.
Still feel kinda qweezy KOONTS!

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Yes, it is always amazing when they pull one off against the hated Packers.. It was a great game. Sorry about those Bills OB.

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Picked from Dave’s possible list while I work.

I’m worried Bills are done. Tuff road ahead…

EDIT: nice little show. Only heard while working and on a iPad so can’t say wether it’s a keeper, but I enjoyed it.

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I had that on cassette in mid-90’s. I listened to it a lot. May have been the best sounding 84 I had at the time.

I’m currently listening to 6-14-84, which I don’t think that I ever had on cassette.

Started playing 1-23-70 in the car this morning. That should get me through this week’s commute.

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Alright, I will be checking this show out tomorrow. Looks like kind of a historic show. Looking forward to it. Thanks Oroborous.

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Just reading this. I'm intrigued and definitely hitting this tomorrow.

From a guy named Steve on setlists.net:
"This was probably the best show in the 6 night run. Great Smokestack jam in the 1st set. First performance of Gimme Some Lovin' (I think)."

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Always good to listen to shows you have never heard. Good show. What happened during El Paso? Couldn't figure out if it was something with the recording or Bob not remembering the words. Either way, it was different. Last Lost Sailor. I always really liked the Lost Sailor SOC pairing. Especially loved Phil's work in Lost Sailor. Nice Iko Iko and first GSL. HSF is good. Garcia is not in top shape at this point, but the show is still good and worth a listen. Thanks Oroborous.

Makes me want it listen to more Lost Sailor SOC.

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Busy doing my 30 DOD and saw the last Lost Sailor was 3-24-86. It had never occurred to me that Sailor/Saint had been separated at that point with Sailor being tossed overboard as it were. It had some cool chord changes.
Cheers

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I was there. It's one of my personal favorites. The looks on Phil and Brent's faces as they unveiled Gimme Some Lovin' were lovely.
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Thanks IstShow. More proof you can't believe everything you read. The show notes from the archive mention it was the last Lost Sailor. Hopefully they got the first GSL right.

Another good show for Marye in Berkeley. Must have been fun.

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Best of Arlo Guthrie featuring Alice’s Restaurant!

Hope y’all have an enjoyable holiday!

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It's a bit bittersweet.. I last saw Arlo on his 50th anniv or Alice's Restaurant in I guess 2018. He recently announced his retirement from touring.

I have seen him and his (I think) daughter and perhaps grandchildren perform many times over the last 35+ years. It was always a privilege. Small venues, festivals at local fairgrounds, reasonably priced tickets and good fun. Bittersweet. Emphasis on the sweet.

Happy thanksgiving all..

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I've been listening to Ace recently through a new headphone/amp setup and really connected with aspects I never tuned into before. Such an important album in the GD cannon. The horn and string arrangements are amazing! I wish there could be a remastered 50th Anniversary of this on Vinyl would be incredible as well as other formats. Please remaster this gem Bob and awaken all the tracks to modern possibilities! Thanks for such such a gem!

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Hope you all had a good one. We have been traveling, but was still able to listen to 2/18/71. That Dark Star Wharf Rat Dark Star is still some of the best music I have ever heard.

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I'm in. I have an itch to revisit some of the official releases where I only have one listen post Normification. This is one of those releases.

We had a big family health scare this week. Several of us, me included, had an unexpected adverse reaction to an unknown chemical, perhaps tryptophan that set off a complex chain reaction ending in a full-blown, dangerous food coma. It was touch and go for a while.. we were drifting in and out of consciousness accompanied by extreme loss of focus.. uncontrollable drooling, slam snoring.. then miraculously.. we pulled out of it relatively unscaithed. Food comas are very dangerous and often occur this time of the year. There is a high potential for relapse almost one month to the day later. Be safe folks.. play dead.

Edit: Amazing and a great recording. I am going to expand this to all the remastered released shows from this run.. so 2/18, 2/19 and 2/21. I think that's it so far, correct?

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Glad you made it through Jim.
Interested in your thoughts on 2/18/71. I can't get enough of it. All three officially released Port Chester shows are so good. I guess they need to still release the last one left?

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and a Anchor Holiday Beer IV drip…
Phew, things were touch and go there!

Managed to squeeze an extra day at home, so trying to reintegrate “normal” activities.
Including first shows in a week!
12/1/71 and 12/2/71. Recordings are varied, but more tight shows, with Pig back slinging grease, including a rare Smokestack! Looking forward to hittin’ the whole Felt run as I’ve not heard all.
Ok, need to get out for a walk while it’s still so nice.

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I was in Dane County and the Chicago area over the Thanksgiving weekend. Man, it is great to get out of your home base and see and experience other areas.

Can't remember if we ever hit this show but I saw it was yesterday's 30 Days and thought it would be a good idea. 11/23/73. El Paso.

Hope you all can check it out.

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Dooaahh, just catching this now, sorta.
Spinning 11/23/73, which I won’t finish because of late start.
Will definitely finish asap as this is one of about only a half dozen from this tour I’ve not heard until now.
Through Rider, so far just another fine fall 73…

Did hit 12/4&5/71 earlier. Boy you can tell they like playing NY lol.
Still scratching my head about why Dave didn’t go with 12/5?
Going to hit those this WE.

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Definitely worth a listen if you have never heard this. Great sounding recording. Not perfect, but not your old dusty cassettes either. Solid A- for the recording. Performance A.

Oroborous, I am definitely going to hit up 12/5/71 this week, really good show.
Another one worthy of an official release at some point.

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Golly Gee Nov 73.. I'm still wrapping up my three night run at Portchester. Adding it to my Q. I haven't listened to this one in a few years.

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Hey Jim, at least those Port Chester shows are short. Interested in your thoughts on the three.

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Got an empty job site with tunes!
So hitting 11/23/73 from the start.
Sorry DV, no Port Chester at this time as I’m
A) still trying to hit all the 71 shows, and
B) getting a little burnt on 71 lol, so not ready to rehash YET!
But I did really dig those. Funny thing, I was not enthused about FTV III, until I got past my hang ups and dove into this 71 challenge. Now, it’s one of my year favs and definitely my fav of the run. Just that Smokestack alone does it for me!
Think I liked 2/21 next, then the 18th? Can’t remember my other preferences as I don’t have my Deadbase?
Great run of shows, but I can understand why they didn’t do a box since their not quite fully formed or as tight as they’d soon be. Meant, I think strong arguments could be made for other things being more a priority and with only one box a year it is valuable real estate, so might not have got as much love as needed?
I think he chose right doling them out separately?
I’m sure he’ll dole more out eventually.
Personally I’m good with 71 for now only because we’ve had several solid 71s the last few years.
But there most definitely more 71shows I’d like to see, eventually…

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Nice, I am sure you are digging the freedom. You have been a stalwart with Doc's 71 tour. Those Port Chester shows are all great. I still have 2/18 at the top of my list, just for that Dark Star, WR, Dark Star. It is unreal.

I still have 12/5/71 in the que for this week. I got side tracked with 10/9/80. Which has a recent Miller transfer from this year.

Would love to see Rhino put out some type of release in December to tie us over until February.

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never straight!

So, I know we’re fumbling around in 71 goodness, but do we want to throw something else in the mix for today and this WE?
Imma gonna hit Daves 22? 12/6&7/71 this WE, but how bout 12/8/73 if you want to stay in that neighborhood or perhaps 10/14/80 off of Dave’s “list”? since DVs been digging fall 80?
Shit this would have been a good time for one of BCs picks but the list is at home?

Yeah, seems like I remember lol, sure I do lol, that they used to work the holiday shopping season more BITD?
Seems like a quick one off or something to boost holiday numbers would make sense, AND feed our insatiable jones lol!

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Going with 12/8/73 then…

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been a long long time but i seem to remember that wide-eyed bit of stage "talk" from a fan at 12/8/73. soon, soon.

mid-morning I had the need for an Eyes ca. '73 / '74, First one that fell in my hands was Selland 7/19/74 DaP Disc 3, floating free out of its Digi in a slim case. My freaking heck did that disc 3 sound good!!

2/18/71 - beautiful show, best of the run. Dark Hollow early on and all the others. (edit: oh wait - Dark Hollow is from 2/19, now I'm all confused. "I Like it all!!". 2/19 is really good.) had 2/21 spinning in the ride just past week.

12/5/71 - again been a good long while. "Should" have been released a long long time ago. Same excellent level, end of same year, as Porchester run, but we're in solid new territory here in only a 10 month span (not like that's a rare occurrence with the GD.)

After Hawaii 1/70 rewound to Thelma 12/69 (all of it but really, I mean what can you say, Alligator > Caution > Feedback>Bid You Goodnight) And today thought it was time for 2/2/70 DaP 6. Which IMHO is one of the great releases from the series. I'm paused in that right now just before the crazy good Dark Star > St. Stephen > Mason's sequence I first heard on cassette many years ago. 2/2 was one of many Holy Grail shows from before the days that the doors of the Vault had even (officially) opened. Also on that list 2/15/73. Like a few others here!

as for a few things on another list - maybe 8/24/80 Grand Rapids (audience only but a sweet one is out there) or a few nights earlier 8/19/80 Uptown, an excellent show that is still looking for a better source than what seems to circulate. Had a nice balcony audience back in the day. should have been there, saw Alpine right after. and 3 nights before Uptown the Mississippi River Festival (again audience only) which had a "you are there" write up in one or more of the Deadbase volumes, all lit up by an epic midwestern downpour cutting loose at the beginning of China Cat (IIRC). One of those crazy storm shows, middle of midwest "nowhere" sorta deal that some of us, yes from the midwest, wished we could have experienced in all its glory.

on another musical note - recently picked up from Owsley Foundation:

That Which Colors The Mind
Ali Akbar Kahn
Indranil Bhattacharya
Zakir Hussain

Absolutely beautiful release. Don't hesitate.

And while I'm typing this back to Dead and Co at Wrigley 9/18. Yep one of those shows.

Hoping for cold rain and snow in the dry Southwest. Stay safe and have fun. Onward!!

Oh yeah, DVs been banished from posting for being too nice lol

Found the notes I had with some of BC and other suggestions

and moving right along;

Hit 12/6/71 DaP 22 Friday night. Short but SWEEEEETTTT! Hot show!
Loving these strong first sets, especially been digging the first set Black Petes!
It’s a shame it got so formulaic later on. I like the structure of the later years, but the song slots got too predictable etc.

Trying for 12/7/71 today. Need to get 10/14/80 in, but might save that one for work Monday?

12/8/73: yowsa, how had I not hit this one! No secret I’m partial to fall 73 and especially those last 10 pure quintet shows. 11/23 was good, but I think I liked this one better? I’ve added the few remaining shows from this tour I haven’t hit yet to our list! 10/21, 11/1, 11/25, 12/12, and 12/18, but I’m holding out on 12/18 until they release it!

Ok, have many suggestions from various sources so hopefully we can massage our ears and check some boxes this week!
ONWARD!

Hopefully DV gets turned back on soon.

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What is going on?

Could not post since last Thursday. Very strange. Kept saying access to server denied.

12/8/73, yes Oroborous. Nice call.

10/14/80, will cue it up later today. The acoustic set is missing but sets 2 and 3 are there and they are really good.

Oh and Vikings lost to the Lions!

Yesterday was: DV, yer gonna love that 10/14/80. There is a version of the acoustic set and you should check it out!
Heaven Help AND Bird Song!
Then switch to the SBD Miller as it sounds good!
Nice long well played show! So far most of these off of Dave’s list have been promising.

12/7/71: more of the same 71 madness. And it’s Got a sweeettt Smokestack, the last until 3/25/72 which is the last Pig Era version. Smokestack is perhaps my favorite song from the whole 70-72 transitional period, and this version is another beauty.

2 awesome shows definitely made for a Grateful day, even if the VIKS pulled a Britney….”Ooops I did it again” lol.
Doood, as much as it’s hard being a Buffalo fan, I don’t know if I could handle the Viks ; )

Going with Bluecrows suggestion today.
It is an Aud but the Rob Eaton version sounds good so far.

Nice little show, not a burner, but worth a spin if you like 80!
Probably matters that I listened to that awesome 10/14 show yesterday?

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New day, same issue. Maybe others are experiencing the same thing?

10/14/80 is still really good. Still hoping they find some two track recordings of this run. Doubtful, but we can hope.

What is next? How does that 8/24/80 audience sound OB?

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Howsabout 8/4/79, First Tiger show? Think Billy the Kid was there?

DV, Not sure if you watched the game last night, but if so, you can see it’s no easy thang being a Bills fan either lol.
I don’t mind when your team plays well but gets beat by a team who plays better, but man it frosts my ass when they beat themselves, grrrrrrrrrrrrrr, idiots!

EDIT: 8/24/80 sounded decent, decent show, not mind blowing but not bad. Another notch in the proverbial belt.
I like a good aud so doesn’t have to be a SB for me to enjoy.

DBL Edit: DV, seems like others are having issues of one kind or another, elsewhere at least?

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Hey yes 79 OB, for sure in on that one. I won't quote the shows notes from the archive this time, but...... .
On the docket for tomorrow for me.

Missed the game last night but I feel your pain. At least the Bills are good.

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I was there, fun show. The Dead sounded good in 1979. The Oakland Auditorium took the place of Winterland. They could have put a nice box set out with that whole December 1979 run.

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You saw so many great shows Billy. Lucky guy.

Yes, would love to see some box treatment from the Oakland Auditorium shows.
Besides the five shows from December 79, of which two have been released, they did five at the end of 1980, that would make an incredible box and show the band at a different period in their 30 year career. I hope at some point Dave starts exploring the early Brent days.
Okay, back to 8/4/79.

Lol, yeah, Billy surely has been blessed!
Perhaps he’s got some stories? Did they notice and/or know JG had a new axe etc?

Going to try and do the next night 8/5/79 today since were in that wheel house.