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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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March 4, 2022 - 10:18pm

#61

DeadVikes

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Adedhed68

Hey, we are hoping..... Needs to happen at some point...
March 4, 2022 - 9:00pm

#62

adedhed68

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Boxset 2022

Deadvikes, is that a definite on the next boxset? Wow that would be something
March 4, 2022 - 7:04pm

#63

DeadVikes

Joined:
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Box Set

We will resuscitate him after he hears the news of the 2022 box set:

Alpine Valley, East Troy Wisconsin
Three shows from 1987
Four shows from 1988
Three shows from 1989
Video to boot.
March 4, 2022 - 6:40pm

#64

JimInMD

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Interesting

Well, interesting, but it puts a damper on the fall 72 box. Hopefully HF isn't on suicide watch. Quick.. take some anti-depressant fungal cure caps.
March 4, 2022 - 5:50am

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KeithFan2112

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One More Comment on Audio

I found this article on dead essays blog spot a while back. It talks about Bear's recording history with the Dead, with quotes from the man himself from his site:

Regarding post-jail-time:

"I came back to a crew that was totally different when I left, and the job that I had been doing was split up amongst three other people, none of whom were willing to yield the territory. I met a lot of resistance in the scene, and after you spend a couple of years locked up, your social adaptability is not very good."
And another comment on '72 in his site:
"I was having some problems with the crew, many of whom had come to work after I had gone, and resented my drive to improve things onstage and with the equipment, which I decided was obsolete for the most part. They preferred to let things stay the same - an attitude I thought was due to simple laziness. The various problems, particularly the one of getting those who did my job while I was away to back off and allow me to return to my work, eventually inspired me to design the Wall of Sound... "

*****************
Also he said about late '72:

Bear recounts a mishap at the Vanderbilt University show on 10/21/72, when Bob Matthews didn't show up: "I had to recruit some of the kids from this college to carry the stuff back. Two of them took half our PA and split. At the next show, there's no PA. I said, 'I sent it to the truck.' A roadie picked me up and threw me into a water cooler."
Apparently some recording equipment was stolen as well, which may account for the rather poor mixes of many of the shows from 10/21 to the rest of the fall tour - either that, or personal squabbles & disputes at the board! (Did anybody listen to the 11/12 mix?) Some shows have missing or incomplete SBDs (from 10/21 to 11/13, though not everything could be in circulation). There are several shows where Bear actually resorted to "audience-taping", making nice room recordings of 10/27, 10/30, and 11/13.

None of our tapes from '73/74 seem to be Bear's work - apparently after the hassles of fall '72, Bear became more a 'behind-the-scenes' equipment tech rather than the on-site sound mixer.
March 3, 2022 - 9:56am

#66

Oroborous

Joined:
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Jim’s correct,

But the mastering process can also change the overall sound.
This is why so many of the original CDs released after that format came out sound terrible.
It’s a stigma that has unfortunately continued even though they’ve made incredible advances in digital conversion, and stricter coherence to using original master tapes.
They were mastered poorly, especially the A/D conversion, which coupled often with not using the original master tapes, made them sound horrible. Not just CDs, DVDs etc also can be all over the place depending on transfer and what source was used. I’ve seen DVDs that looked better than Blu-ray’s because of this.

There’s a lot you can’t mess with in mastering, but there’s much that can be done too.
I think that’s a lot of why some of the newer releases sound better: Mr Jeffery has had significant time to adjust and perfect the mastering of the recordings. Like Jim says, you can’t re-eq or re-attenuate individual instruments etc on a 2 track, but you can adjust the overall eq, so perhaps that’s why one show from the same run for instance can have different “flavor” like your describing.

Multitracks, besides allowing for individual tweaks: (think Donna turned down to a normal volume with some auto tune) usually do have much more openness or spaciousness. Check out the 71 Capitol shows to see how big a difference there can be!
Oh, tape size and speed make a big difference too. The faster the speed and/or the fatter the tape, the better the frequency response and spaciousness.
March 2, 2022 - 5:29am

#67

1stshow70878

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Thanks Jim

I thought it might be something like that. That may also explain why folks are discussing a re-release of Europe '72 or a box with some of the other shows from that tour. I've got Rockin' the Rhine and Hundred Year Hall but only on tape, so I'm all for that. I need to revisit some of my old vinyl now that I have improved my main system. I don't ever remember Europe '72 sounding this good through my old amp.
Cheers and thank you.
March 1, 2022 - 8:17pm

#68

JimInMD

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E72 vs. 10/18/72

The obvious answer is E72 was recorded using a 16-track professional recording system inside a truck they carried with them from venue to venue and 10/18 was recorded to stereo via two-track reel to reels. So starting with a 16-track professional master tape allows one to change the mix vs. a stereo master where the mix was already condensed to stereo at the time the recording was made (so you can't change the output of the bass or any other instruments/vocals). You can't really alter anything on the two track masters except the volume and some wizardry like compression. With a multi-track you can completely change the mix and the output / location of every instrument, panning the sound, etc. The sky's the limit with a multi-track master.

There's a good bit of low-level hiss on the 10/18 recording. This was recorded by Bear. I have a sneaking suspicion these master reels were played a few times over the years. They just have this flavor of being used a bit which weakens the quality of the master. I'm speculating, I am certainly not in the know here. To me, it still sounds very good and the performance so strong, I am not complaining. I will take the win.

Sorry for the detail, I bet you already knew most of this and to be honest.. I am not a recording aficionado, so I reserve the right to be fall on my face wrong. But this is all I have. Where is One Man when you need him?
March 1, 2022 - 9:09am

#69

1stshow70878

Joined:
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Europe '72 vs. Light Into Ashes

Listened to these two on vinyl today and the sound is very different. The LIA is way more bass and mid focused and noticeably a bit lacking in treble. The LIA thread talks about the sound quality at more length. Hadn't listened to Europe '72 in many years and the sound was startlingly good on my copy from around 1975. The high end was so spacious, clear, and well defined it really surprised me. Lacking in bass by comparison but I hope they reissue that vinyl this year and balance that out. Maybe some of the recording aficionados here can clue me in as to why the totally different sound from these recordings from the same era.
Cheers!
February 22, 2022 - 7:45am

#70

bigbrownie

Joined:
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Three is the Charm

I've just completed my third go-round of this box set: once on the big JBLs, once on the house system with the HDCD player, and once with headphones on the Marantz player...a unique experience each time. Two thumbs up! For all those responsible for making "Listen to the River" happen, I say "Way to go"!
And, yes, I can't believe this is not sold put.

BTW, inside my 30 Trips book I found:
ticket: 10/27/91 Oakland
backstage pass: 6/16/93 Louisville

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

First gig as GD?

Celebrate!!!

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why…..

50 years ago today…..

December 5, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1:Bertha-Beat It On Down The Line-Big Boss Man-Brown-Eyed Women-I Washed My Hands In Muddy Water-Jack Straw-Mr. Charlie-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Deal-Playing In The Band-Next Time You See Me-Comes A Time-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'-Ramble On Rose-It Hurts Me Too-Sugaree-Sugar Magnolia-Dark Star Jam>Me And My Uncle>Dark Star Jam>Sitting On Top Of The World-Me And Bobby McGee-Big Railroad Blues-Mexicali Blues-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to jrpaulson2009, canonico, pauldaley1, pony, b o, dirtrider5, alain, neveralull, ed.head, ords120, djaspen, manofort, zygster, mistercharlie, saintstevie, rockysgraetful, the tailgunner, doctorpat, and punster61, because weirdness accrues….

A new member of the family, a vote for male chauvinism, the youngest old timer, the erudite strong backbone of the organization, a very very youthful, ebullient and a very very dirty softball player, and the godfather of rock and roll play a show for the ages……

Was there something in the water? One of the greatest, weirdest, most loved, and most bootlegged shows of 1971, which has just about everything 1971 Dead that anybody could reasonably expect---equipment problems, rowdy crowd, rock and roll, Pigpen, cowboy songs, soulful Jerry, ethereal Truckin’, Dark Star, fiery Not Fade Away suite. I have probably gone through more versions of this broadcast than any other single Dead show I’ve ever had. If a clean soundboard were to suddenly surface---and circulate!---I could die a happy man. Truly very, very deserving of official release. Please, TPTB, make it so!!!!

Who was Uncle Sal???

Rock on!!

Doc
This whole world is wild at heart and weird on top…..

David Lynch

Nice quote form David Lynch's "Wild At Heart" below. One of the most imaginative directors I have ever come across. I started watching the third series of "Twin Peaks" again last week - and it really is one of the most unusual things I have ever seen in my life. It seems to bloom out from the collective unconcious completely unchecked. Reminds me a bit of Salavador Dali saying-to paraphrase - that he didnt take drugs, because he WAS drugs. So's "Twin Peaks".

Time to wake up

Another one from a David Lynch film-Mulholland Drive. Truer today than ever.

12/5/71

That's a huge setlist. When the 12/7/71 Dave's Picks came out, I put Dark Star and Muddy Water in there, along with the best extra stuff from 12/6. Made a unique "reboot" cover and it's been paradise ever since. Looking forward to the 12/5 Full Norman someday, but it's been pushed back a couple of times in lieu of other Autumn shows since the big recovery of tapes to the Vault.

There is no pain so great as the memory of joy in present grief…

50 years ago today……

December 6, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Mr. Charlie-Jack Straw-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Run Rudolph Run-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-Black Peter-Next Time You See Me-Casey Jones

Set 2: Big Railroad Blues-Me And My Uncle-Ramble On Rose-Playing In The Band-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And Bobby McGee>jam>The Other One>jam>Wharf Rat-One More Saturday Night

Encore: Uncle John's Band

Deadicated to GM and JF, because music is essentially built upon primitive memory structures….

Beneath all the madness, a bundle of joy, the Grateful Dead…..

It can be really tough being the show that comes immediately after a classic. While this one isn’t as weird and cosmic as the previous evening, it’s a well played, high quality, enjoyable December show. Not top tier, but still recommended………

One recognizes one's course by discovering the paths that stray from it…..

Rock on!!

Doc
He who binds to himself a joy
Does the winged life destroy
But he who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in eternity's sun rise…..

Not Bad at All

Did a straight run through of 12/6 only. Really enjoy the Hammond / Piano combo on these shows. Highlights for me: Bobby McGee, Wharf Rat, Ramble On Rose, and I'm always up for '71 UJB.

Don't Forget 12/6/73

Anniversary of another great show. We only got the highlights or at least most of the highlights on the Road Trips 2011 bonus disc (heh, don't go- a-buying that one on eBay!). 40+ minute Dark Star gets top billing, but there's a biggie that's not there on the bonus disc: Here Comes Sunshine. Absolutely undoubtedly top 3, weighing in at 15+ minutes and just exactly perfect.

Sorrow is held the eldest child of sin…..

50 years ago today…..

December 7, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Cold Rain & Snow-Beat It On Down The Line-Mr Charlie-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Next Time You See Me-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Brokedown Palace-Run Rudolph Run-You Win Again-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones

Set 2: Sugar Magnolia-Ramble On Rose-Big Boss Man-Mexicali Blues-Brown Eyed Women-Me & My Uncle -Smokestack Lightning-Deal-Truckin'-Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: One More Saturday Night

Deadicated to Alan Richman, because some men's memory is like a box where a man should mingle his jewels with his old shoes…..

A solid, well played, if unspectacular show. For some, the lack of a “big jam” might knock this two a notch or two. There’s some good stuff here, but you have to dig for it. Decent dose of Pigpen (including a rare Smokestack Lightning, which, while good, is not “rave worthy”), cowboy tunes, and an up tempo closing segment. Definitely worth a listen.

You cannot create experience. You must undergo it……

Rock on!!

Doc
The natural effect of sorrow over the dead is to refine and elevate the mind…..

Where IS everybody?

Is this not the current message board?

In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.....

Yo! Rockers!!!

KF--I think everybody except you and me are busy napping...................

Rock on!

Doc
Sometimes, only one person is missing, and the whole world seems depopulated.....

I'm still here

just been a bit non-verbal, and pushing through these next two weeks before winter break arrives. The break is nice and welcome, but it squishes tasks up a bunch.

12/5/71 is spectacular
12/6/73 is spectacular
I love love love the LTTR boxset

there are times when we hit some posting doldrums, for sure

Now it's working

Tried to answer here a few minutes ago and it would not let me sign in, even though I was already signed in to the home page. Weird, but not that unusual. The answer is everyone's over on DaP40, the most recent release has been the go to. I check every morning for Doc's words of wisdom. And the reviews are nice too.
Cheers!

1971

Last night gave the 12/10/71 Fox Theater show another listen (discs 2 and 3). What a great Good Lovin' and the jam sequence on disc 3 is spectacular. The Comes a Time might be my favorite version pre-hiatus (those 76 and 77 versions have that soaring solo that really make the song shine)-- really fine playing and singing.

Then i put in 12/7/71 for the commute to work this morning. Got through Sugaree and will play favorites on the way home. Gotta hear the Smokestack today.

I think we are all lost since they took down the Dave's forum. I heard that Jim was wandering aimlessly on an early DOS chatroom that he was able to dig up while others are busy chatting on the Facebook thingy.

We are everywhere..

Here too.. I have been reading it all, just a little too busy to participate at the moment.

Funny.... I have a reply to a doc question he wrote last week. When I come up for air, I will put thought to words and finish.

I am enjoying every minute of it and have been (almost) keeping up with the 71 shows. By almost meaning I missed a month or so but am still tracking where I can.

Thanks all.. keep up the good vibes and good spirit. Lord knows we need it, it's much appreciated.

re: 12/6 & KeithFan HCS

...ha ha sames, I had brought this up yesterday on the DaP 40 board but I actually insisted the 12/6/73 HCS was a top 2, second only to Dick's Picks One/Tampa.
Because we ALL know we can agree THAT ONE is the tippy top tier HCS, amirite.

Sixtus

12/6/73 HCS

Yeah, WTF?
Would of dug that more than yet another China-Rider, nothing against, just comparatively speaking.
Think of it: HCS, DS, and that Eyes…I’d never listen to anything else lol.

1stshow

Doc's words of wisdom are usually quotes from other people. The fact that he doesn't credit his sources can give the impression he has written them himself. Purely an oversight, I am sure, with no wish on his behalf, to mislead anyone. He might know a lot about 1971, but he isn't Willam Blake !

Anniversary show 12/7/91. Garcia & Grisman Warfield Theatre

30 years ago tonight I was at the Warfield Theatre for the start of a great 3 night run with Garcia & Grisman. These shows were fantastic, when Garcia picked up his banjo that crowd was lit up. Anybody else here on the forum make to these shows? Garcia was in top form. It would be really nice if these shows were released as a box set, very special set of shows.

Originality is undetected plagiarism.........

Yo! Rockers!

I have never implied, suggested, hinted at, or claimed that those "words of wisdom" were my own work.

Maybe next time people will think first and contact the person in question, instead of calling them out and flaming them in public..........

Didn't intend to announce this just yet, but I'll be leaving deadnet after January 2, 2022. Hopefully forever. I won't be missing this type of nonsense.................

Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished. Oops, sorry, guess I stole that from somebody too. Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, Andrew Mellon. There, happy now?

Doc
People trash talk me (Zlatan Ibrahimovic)

now now, kids. don't fight.

thank you for the 1971 info, Doc.

wherever the words came from, all is good.

Daverock

I certainly knew Doc's words were quotes but I don't think we need footnotes and citations here. A bit formal for this crowd. What I can appreciate is someone who is widely read and can bring that to the comment at hand.
Love it Doc! Keep 'em coming. Most days it's all that's worth reading here, at least to keep me motivated. Always forward, never straight as someone else posted recently. And on that note I do like your opinions Daverock on lots of different music. Grateful to all.
Cheers

Well..

I even recognized a few of them. I enjoyed how they were folded in with the context of the posts in real time, sort of like a transition between songs. Well done, thoughtful and entertaining. Many thanks to the good doctor.

As you were.. back to your regularly scheduled Yellow Dog > Hard to Handle.

Daverock

Your post reminds me of the Harvard bar guy from Good Will Hunting. You know which scene I'm talking about - everyone's at the bar having a real hootenanny, and then the Harvard prick walks up and tries to piss on their good time by flexing the 'ol knowledge muscles. But the actual smart guy in the room calls him out as the needy attention prick he is. Sort of what happened with the comedy you started here today. The humor is Doc's reply and the joke's on you. You named one guy - William Blake - and he helps you out with a half dozen more: Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, and Andrew Mellon. I chortled when I read that. You ought to thank him for helping you out with a few others.

Doc's been gracing us with these fine bits of wisdom for months, but we haven't heard from you until today. Did you just figure out he's been quoting people? I'll let you in on a little secret - we already knew! I guess we're.....what? A room full of halfwits you wanted to bring up to speed when the light bulb went on this morning?

I've been reading posts from Doc and you for a few years, and trust me - the man doesn't need to quote anyone to write circles around you, 1971 or otherwise. He does it, I suspect, to entertain and to bring out our "inner-introspective" which I've found to be....a good thing. There is no better deed than to bring a good thing to someone's day.

Hey Doc

We need more people like you on this site, not less.

Hang in there.

1stshow

Sorry about that, I thought last night after I posted that you probably knew about the quotes. But I'd put my laptop away by then.

keithfan

You've come out fighting! I misinterpreted Ist show's comment about Doc's words of wisdom which he has rightly corrected me about, and which I have duly apologised for. I think you got a bit over emotional there.

I disagree Daverock

I disagree that anyone responded out of line. I think if this was the first time you "corrected" somebody than "it was a simple misunderstanding" would be fine. That is not the case. In the past several months you have crossed a line I have noticed on a few occasions and become argumentative about your opinions instead of respectfully disagreeing, and the thing is I noticed on these occasions that your negativity is not in response to something negative (in other words you seem to be the instigator). I thought to myself in the past, that was a little odd for Daverock, he is not usually harsh like that. If this were the first time, it would be tolerable but unacceptable still. Maybe you had a bad day is what I thought. Your comments yesterday were just flat out unnecessary and seem mean spirited. I am not sure where the misunderstanding was on your part, but it's not important now. Your apology came late and seems a little half hearted considering how many people spoke out against your posting. Now it seems you are trying to dismiss somebody's remarks about your behavior as overemotional it seems to me to deflect the spot light. Apologies do not come off as sincere when you shift the focus to someone else. Doc is well respected on these boards because he's a genuinely good guy and KF's reply is what you need to hear. I believe most people enjoy seeing you here (and I do too) but maybe lighten up on people a bit.

Dreading

It's your prerogative to disagree of course - bur my apology to 1stshow was sincere. I simply misinterpreted what he said as implying that he thought Doc's words of wisdom were his own.

My post didnt include any criticsm of Doc himself. I pointed out what is evident in his posts-that he quotes people without credting who, and that he knows a lot about 1971. I didn't say he necessarily should credit his sources, but in not doing so, he runs the risk of misleading people. This is what I, mistakingly as it happens, thought had happened. I went on to say in my original post that if he had mislead people, then I was sure it was unintentional.

Keithfan's post seemed more like a general attack on me, as he felt that I had attacked someone he respects. No harm done at all.

Whatsoever we beg of God, let us also work for it...........

Yo! Rockers!!

OMG PLEASE STOP!!!!

So that we may return to the usual nonsensical, often meaningless babble about our favorite garage band..........

Rock on,

Doc
I beg you take courage; the brave soul can mend even disaster.......(Catherine the Great)

Been away from this board for a few days....

....did I miss something?

El Paso chords 12-5-81

Forgot who recommended this show, but it's excellent. First time I noticed they changed the 2nd chord from a G major to a Em, to match Marty Robbin's version. When did they switch?? This kind of stuff keeps me up at night

chord and word changes

not sure about El Paso chord changes

I have wondered when the big change in lyrics of Comes a Time happened

"the words come out in an angry stream
you hear yourself say things you could never mean
the heat cools down
and you find your mind
you got a lot of words to stand behind"

or something close to that

those lyrics disappeared...when?

11/7/71

that would be a good release
but prolly no soundboard

1969, Dave.

1969.

Faceless words

I think we all know that the written word is easily open to misinterpretation, and that most communication is 'non verbal'. I'm sure if we were all sat around a campfire or wherever chatting most of the recent misunderstandings and upset wouldn't happen, or would be more easily sorted. I know i have both caused upset and been upset by comments on here.
So, please, take a couple of deep breaths if you're contemplating having a go at someone.
This is not the place
Thank you

Marty Robbins

In the late 90's when I was forced to listen to a country western FM station over the PA at work all day in a retail store I decided to call in a request during their "classic country" segment in the morning. Didn't know the artist, I told the DJ, but it's called El Paso. He thought that was a great classic and aired Marty right away. Next day I asked for Big River, which he also dug. After about a week of calling in GD country covers he asked where I got these and was I an old timer that remembered them from when they were new. When I told him that I was learning where these great Grateful Dead covers came from there was silence, then he thanked me politely for calling in. I tried a couple more times but clearly he was on to my radical hippy plot and my requests were ignored. But I did learn a lot! It also helped me listen for the modern rock guitar lines in what was passing for country then, and I did develop a taste for rockabilly too. Gotta make it somehow in the dreams you still believe in.
Cheers!

Cousins of the Pioneers: I have a "cousin" who is a masterful telecaster player for Marty Stuart Named "Cousin Kenny" Whitney. He is actually my ex-brother in law's cousin and has some solo work out there too. First saw him playing for Patty Loveless and much later for Lucinda Williams (replaced at times by Doug Pettybone, another great guitarist).

You will never regret being kind....

....I didn't write that. I don't know who did, so I will source it as from "anonymous".

Famous Quotes

"If you want something for nothing, jerk off": Bob Weir

Re: BTK

Ha.. that's a great one.

I see things are almost back to normal.. Good thing, I was getting ready to do my best Rodney Dangerfield.

Ok.. I have a little catch up to do and I really want to hit Dave's #40 again, then I plan to hit another listen to Listen to the River Sing Sweet Songs. Third try's a charm I say..

Bad musicians with nice guitars

I'm pretty sure ( fairly sure, anyway) that the first chord of El Paso is D . But I get a bit confused after that.

Jonah Hill inspiring story on playing Garcia in the biopic....

....google Yardbarker entertainment.

If You Boys Don't Stop Fighting

I'm going to send you all to rooms.

Everyone apologize to each other and get along!!!!!!!!!!!

You see, what we had here....

....was a ripple in still waters.

jeez....

Don't visit for a few days and lookey wha' happens...On the other hand a couple of days ago was my 52nd Anniversary of attending Altamont...sheesh...I was planning on heading to a biker bar in town and getting my ass kicked to commerate the day but some snow kept me from traveling....

Biker bar beatdown....

....Pee Wee's Big Adventure immediately came to mind.
"I'm trying to use the phone!"

Altamont

Nappyrags-you may well already have written about this in the past-in which case ignore me-but I wondered if it felt as ghastly being there as it looks in "Gimme Shelter." Granted, the cameras are focussed on the front of the stage, and the crowd looks like it stretches back into the distance, so for most people it may just have been like another festival. The lucky ones. A historic event, though, for sure.

Nappyrags...

you were at Altamont? Truly?

The actual event was probably different from the myth, but still...

Hey 1STSHOW70878...

Did you mean Cousin Kenny Vaughn perhaps? He's with Marty Stuart's aptly named Fabulous Superlatives. He's amazing! So is the rest of the band.

Al Pastor

D-> Em -> A in 3/4 hungry

That's it!

Duh! Yes Kenny Vaughn. I used my ex-brother in law's surname. Hadn't seen him since my sister's wedding where we were very long haired teen ushers when I got to see him play with Loveless in the early 90's. Then lost track of him again until I saw this skinny guy with Buddy Holley glasses tearing it up on Austin City Limits with Lucinda. A lot of paying his dues in Nashville before and in between. Not bad for a long haired rocker gone rockabilly! And Marty Stuart, I think named after Marty Robbins if I have that straight and no slouch himself on guitar, has really helped Cousin Kenny shine. Thanks!
My last 5? All Lucinda Williams (on Ytube) doing covers of Stones, Dylan, Clash, Bobby Gentry, et.al. She slays me.

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