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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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October 29, 2021 - 10:23am

#571

unkle sam

Joined:
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right on Daverock and JiminMD

I didn't purchase the new box because of just that reason, the PNW box had some subpar moments and if I had known that they were going to rough patch portions of jams and add audience I would not have purchased it. Same with this box or any future box, if there is a patch or a not up to par recording, tell me, let me make an informed decision, not blow pretty colors up my butt and tell me that it's up there with GOAT. They can't all be GOAT, as the 30 trips box showed us. Someone asked for a multi track box, I'm down with that.
Would love to get that 72 vinyl, anything Bear recorded is gonna be just exactly perfect and well worth the investment. Might just have to treat myself, after all, it is Halloween.
October 29, 2021 - 8:24am

#572

daverock

Joined:
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Dave on Dave

Cnkd - for me , Dave's talks would be more acceptible-nay, listenable - if he pointed out problems with recordings or performances, rather than go on about them as though they were all the equivalent of the second coming. Why not mention if a show has drop outs, or uses audience recordings at certain points? The only reason I can think of is that he fears some people wouldn't buy them if they knew what they were buying. Which is no basis for selling anything. Not mentioning problems leads to some people feeling they have been ripped off - as can be seen on this board.

I feel the same way about discussing shows. I'm not really too keen on indiscriminate adulation - in any field by any person. I can't help it. I was dragged up. My favourite parks are car parks. Grass is something you smoke. Birds are something you shag. Take your "Year in Provence" and shove it up your ass. -That's the lyric to a song, incidentally - not a message to Cnkd!
October 29, 2021 - 8:04am

#573

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
October 20, 2015

DV

Fingers crossed but not holding my breath.

UPS tracking says “on the way” and “expected Friday 10/29” but there is no indication that it has been handed off to USPS yet, and the postal carrier for my neighborhood is already out doing the route.

Maybe Saturday…..

I think that UPS and USPS may be giving me more of a trick than a treat.
October 29, 2021 - 7:34am

#574

JimInMD

Joined:
June 27, 2011

'73 Sound and Recent Precedents

I haven't gotten to '73 yet, still on 10/18/72 but I hear what everyone is writing.

The good, the bad and the ugly regarding releases the last 6+ years and I think this is what we will see going forward especially in box sets seems to be; when a stunning piece of music is considered it's not off limits to toss in a show or two with patches or periods where the sound is subpar. Thinking Portland 74 in the PNW Box, several shows from Boxzilla and the audience heavy matrix Dave's Picks that was Hartford '87. It seems they have a tentpole tolerance where if they toss in this killer quality tentpole segment we might be seeing another really good show with something that's not exactly perfect (cuts/patches/vocal dropouts/etc.).

I have an opinion similar to DaveRocks on this. It more or less is what it is and I tend to get consumed by the good more than the bad or the ugly. 11/10/67 and similar shows carry the big box, the '74 China Riders alone carry the PNW box, etc. They keep the prices reasonable enough to make it justifiable, if they get the customer service and defect rates a little better under control it would synch the deal.

My two cents, certainly subjective and open to interpretation. BTW, love the big box, PNW and St. Louis.. great investments in my current and future retirement mental health.
October 29, 2021 - 6:43am

#575

DeadVikes

Joined:
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Conekid

Conekid, you lucky guy with Dave's #40. I haven't even received a shipping notification yet.
Winterland 73 and PNW 73 shows are A+.
October 29, 2021 - 6:36am

#576

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Dave and Dave

Daverock, in what way do feel that Dave has been ‘deceptive’?

Pretty much everything that has been released so far, other than Warlocks 89, sounds better than what is freely available.
Most shows are freely available to listen to, so listen to a show for free first, then decide if you want to buy it. That way you will know if the performance meets your expectations. That is definitely something that you could do for 5-26-77, since you said the other day that you didn’t think that it was worth buying.
October 29, 2021 - 6:27am

#577

icecrmcnkd

Joined:
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Deadvikes

Compare them to 10-19-73 Dick’s Picks 19.
Same tour, don’t know if the same person recorded them as I’m at work and don’t have them with me.
Also, compare them to the Winterland 73 Box.

I might try to do some comparisons this weekend, but may not have time for 73 if DaP 40 arrives today as tracking suggests it might.
October 29, 2021 - 6:01am

#578

DeadVikes

Joined:
October 26, 2016

Expectations

For me expectations are always high for 73, because almost all of the other 73 shows released to date have been really good, maybe even some of the best releases to date.
So when you have these shows mastered and Plangent is used you would expect them to sound similar to other 73 box sets or Dick's and Dave's from 73. They don't. Not talking about splices, or patches. I would call these recordings decent. Just listen to these two shows and than pick any November show as a comparison. I listened to 11/14/73 yesterday and it is still top notch.
Anyway, just my opinion.

Looking forward to a multi track box release for 2022.
October 29, 2021 - 5:05am

#579

IanM

Joined:
March 24, 2009

UPS wrong charges

If you are in the UK contact ukpostclear@ups.com to dispute the charges and include the Dead.net invoice in the e-mail.

An acquaintance did this and got the following response from UPS (although it took about 3 weeks):

"The shipper has declared an incorrect commodity code on the commercial invoice resulting in duty being applied at 12% to your goods. I will arrange for a reclaim of the duty and partial VAT as our broker should have checked this since the description of the goods did not match the code declared."

If you are outside the UK then I guess you would need to contact your local UPS national charging centre to get it sorted out.

Interestingly, mine arrived in the UK with no charges at all!!

Correct charge should be 20% VAT (around UKP30) plus the unavoidable 11.50 UPS charge for collecting the cash.
October 29, 2021 - 4:25am

#580

daverock

Joined:
September 1, 2014

UPS again- Caution! -1973

Hi Tony and Happy Will,
I phoned UPS yesterday, and after taking down all the details of my delivery, the advisor asked me to put the same information in an email to her. I did this, and got a reply this morning, thanking me etc etc, and telling me that my observation had been passed on to someone called " post clearance directly". She suggested I keep an eye on my emails for further information.

The email she sent also came with a highlighted red message, saying "Caution! This email originated outside the organisation." and went on to advise me not to open ones with like this with attachments etc. Crikey.

Regarding the sound of tne 1973 shows, I am personally quite happy, as the drop outs only occer on a couple of songs. They don't really affect my enjoyment of the whole. I do agree, though, that Dave could be a bit more open in his talks about these releases. They are not all pristine recordings of perfectly played shows, and Dave's presentation of them as though they are, robs what he says of all credibility. A little sincerity goes a long way. Loving everything is the same as loving nothing.

John Perry Barlow

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes

Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.

LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973.

The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.

The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.

All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”

Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others.

Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

First gig as GD?

Celebrate!!!

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why…..

50 years ago today…..

December 5, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1:Bertha-Beat It On Down The Line-Big Boss Man-Brown-Eyed Women-I Washed My Hands In Muddy Water-Jack Straw-Mr. Charlie-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Deal-Playing In The Band-Next Time You See Me-Comes A Time-Casey Jones-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'-Ramble On Rose-It Hurts Me Too-Sugaree-Sugar Magnolia-Dark Star Jam>Me And My Uncle>Dark Star Jam>Sitting On Top Of The World-Me And Bobby McGee-Big Railroad Blues-Mexicali Blues-You Win Again-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Johnny B. Goode

Deadicated to jrpaulson2009, canonico, pauldaley1, pony, b o, dirtrider5, alain, neveralull, ed.head, ords120, djaspen, manofort, zygster, mistercharlie, saintstevie, rockysgraetful, the tailgunner, doctorpat, and punster61, because weirdness accrues….

A new member of the family, a vote for male chauvinism, the youngest old timer, the erudite strong backbone of the organization, a very very youthful, ebullient and a very very dirty softball player, and the godfather of rock and roll play a show for the ages……

Was there something in the water? One of the greatest, weirdest, most loved, and most bootlegged shows of 1971, which has just about everything 1971 Dead that anybody could reasonably expect---equipment problems, rowdy crowd, rock and roll, Pigpen, cowboy songs, soulful Jerry, ethereal Truckin’, Dark Star, fiery Not Fade Away suite. I have probably gone through more versions of this broadcast than any other single Dead show I’ve ever had. If a clean soundboard were to suddenly surface---and circulate!---I could die a happy man. Truly very, very deserving of official release. Please, TPTB, make it so!!!!

Who was Uncle Sal???

Rock on!!

Doc
This whole world is wild at heart and weird on top…..

David Lynch

Nice quote form David Lynch's "Wild At Heart" below. One of the most imaginative directors I have ever come across. I started watching the third series of "Twin Peaks" again last week - and it really is one of the most unusual things I have ever seen in my life. It seems to bloom out from the collective unconcious completely unchecked. Reminds me a bit of Salavador Dali saying-to paraphrase - that he didnt take drugs, because he WAS drugs. So's "Twin Peaks".

Time to wake up

Another one from a David Lynch film-Mulholland Drive. Truer today than ever.

12/5/71

That's a huge setlist. When the 12/7/71 Dave's Picks came out, I put Dark Star and Muddy Water in there, along with the best extra stuff from 12/6. Made a unique "reboot" cover and it's been paradise ever since. Looking forward to the 12/5 Full Norman someday, but it's been pushed back a couple of times in lieu of other Autumn shows since the big recovery of tapes to the Vault.

There is no pain so great as the memory of joy in present grief…

50 years ago today……

December 6, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Truckin'-Loser-Mr. Charlie-Jack Straw-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Run Rudolph Run-El Paso-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-Black Peter-Next Time You See Me-Casey Jones

Set 2: Big Railroad Blues-Me And My Uncle-Ramble On Rose-Playing In The Band-Cryptical Envelopment>drums>The Other One>Me And Bobby McGee>jam>The Other One>jam>Wharf Rat-One More Saturday Night

Encore: Uncle John's Band

Deadicated to GM and JF, because music is essentially built upon primitive memory structures….

Beneath all the madness, a bundle of joy, the Grateful Dead…..

It can be really tough being the show that comes immediately after a classic. While this one isn’t as weird and cosmic as the previous evening, it’s a well played, high quality, enjoyable December show. Not top tier, but still recommended………

One recognizes one's course by discovering the paths that stray from it…..

Rock on!!

Doc
He who binds to himself a joy
Does the winged life destroy
But he who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in eternity's sun rise…..

Not Bad at All

Did a straight run through of 12/6 only. Really enjoy the Hammond / Piano combo on these shows. Highlights for me: Bobby McGee, Wharf Rat, Ramble On Rose, and I'm always up for '71 UJB.

Don't Forget 12/6/73

Anniversary of another great show. We only got the highlights or at least most of the highlights on the Road Trips 2011 bonus disc (heh, don't go- a-buying that one on eBay!). 40+ minute Dark Star gets top billing, but there's a biggie that's not there on the bonus disc: Here Comes Sunshine. Absolutely undoubtedly top 3, weighing in at 15+ minutes and just exactly perfect.

Sorrow is held the eldest child of sin…..

50 years ago today…..

December 7, 1971
Felt Forum, New York City, New York

Set 1: Cold Rain & Snow-Beat It On Down The Line-Mr Charlie-Sugaree-Jack Straw-Next Time You See Me-Tennessee Jed-El Paso-Brokedown Palace-Run Rudolph Run-You Win Again-Cumberland Blues-Casey Jones

Set 2: Sugar Magnolia-Ramble On Rose-Big Boss Man-Mexicali Blues-Brown Eyed Women-Me & My Uncle -Smokestack Lightning-Deal-Truckin'-Not Fade Away>Goin’ Down The Road Feelin’ Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: One More Saturday Night

Deadicated to Alan Richman, because some men's memory is like a box where a man should mingle his jewels with his old shoes…..

A solid, well played, if unspectacular show. For some, the lack of a “big jam” might knock this two a notch or two. There’s some good stuff here, but you have to dig for it. Decent dose of Pigpen (including a rare Smokestack Lightning, which, while good, is not “rave worthy”), cowboy tunes, and an up tempo closing segment. Definitely worth a listen.

You cannot create experience. You must undergo it……

Rock on!!

Doc
The natural effect of sorrow over the dead is to refine and elevate the mind…..

Where IS everybody?

Is this not the current message board?

In heaven, all the interesting people are missing.....

Yo! Rockers!!!

KF--I think everybody except you and me are busy napping...................

Rock on!

Doc
Sometimes, only one person is missing, and the whole world seems depopulated.....

I'm still here

just been a bit non-verbal, and pushing through these next two weeks before winter break arrives. The break is nice and welcome, but it squishes tasks up a bunch.

12/5/71 is spectacular
12/6/73 is spectacular
I love love love the LTTR boxset

there are times when we hit some posting doldrums, for sure

Now it's working

Tried to answer here a few minutes ago and it would not let me sign in, even though I was already signed in to the home page. Weird, but not that unusual. The answer is everyone's over on DaP40, the most recent release has been the go to. I check every morning for Doc's words of wisdom. And the reviews are nice too.
Cheers!

1971

Last night gave the 12/10/71 Fox Theater show another listen (discs 2 and 3). What a great Good Lovin' and the jam sequence on disc 3 is spectacular. The Comes a Time might be my favorite version pre-hiatus (those 76 and 77 versions have that soaring solo that really make the song shine)-- really fine playing and singing.

Then i put in 12/7/71 for the commute to work this morning. Got through Sugaree and will play favorites on the way home. Gotta hear the Smokestack today.

I think we are all lost since they took down the Dave's forum. I heard that Jim was wandering aimlessly on an early DOS chatroom that he was able to dig up while others are busy chatting on the Facebook thingy.

We are everywhere..

Here too.. I have been reading it all, just a little too busy to participate at the moment.

Funny.... I have a reply to a doc question he wrote last week. When I come up for air, I will put thought to words and finish.

I am enjoying every minute of it and have been (almost) keeping up with the 71 shows. By almost meaning I missed a month or so but am still tracking where I can.

Thanks all.. keep up the good vibes and good spirit. Lord knows we need it, it's much appreciated.

re: 12/6 & KeithFan HCS

...ha ha sames, I had brought this up yesterday on the DaP 40 board but I actually insisted the 12/6/73 HCS was a top 2, second only to Dick's Picks One/Tampa.
Because we ALL know we can agree THAT ONE is the tippy top tier HCS, amirite.

Sixtus

12/6/73 HCS

Yeah, WTF?
Would of dug that more than yet another China-Rider, nothing against, just comparatively speaking.
Think of it: HCS, DS, and that Eyes…I’d never listen to anything else lol.

1stshow

Doc's words of wisdom are usually quotes from other people. The fact that he doesn't credit his sources can give the impression he has written them himself. Purely an oversight, I am sure, with no wish on his behalf, to mislead anyone. He might know a lot about 1971, but he isn't Willam Blake !

Anniversary show 12/7/91. Garcia & Grisman Warfield Theatre

30 years ago tonight I was at the Warfield Theatre for the start of a great 3 night run with Garcia & Grisman. These shows were fantastic, when Garcia picked up his banjo that crowd was lit up. Anybody else here on the forum make to these shows? Garcia was in top form. It would be really nice if these shows were released as a box set, very special set of shows.

Originality is undetected plagiarism.........

Yo! Rockers!

I have never implied, suggested, hinted at, or claimed that those "words of wisdom" were my own work.

Maybe next time people will think first and contact the person in question, instead of calling them out and flaming them in public..........

Didn't intend to announce this just yet, but I'll be leaving deadnet after January 2, 2022. Hopefully forever. I won't be missing this type of nonsense.................

Just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished. Oops, sorry, guess I stole that from somebody too. Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, Andrew Mellon. There, happy now?

Doc
People trash talk me (Zlatan Ibrahimovic)

now now, kids. don't fight.

thank you for the 1971 info, Doc.

wherever the words came from, all is good.

Daverock

I certainly knew Doc's words were quotes but I don't think we need footnotes and citations here. A bit formal for this crowd. What I can appreciate is someone who is widely read and can bring that to the comment at hand.
Love it Doc! Keep 'em coming. Most days it's all that's worth reading here, at least to keep me motivated. Always forward, never straight as someone else posted recently. And on that note I do like your opinions Daverock on lots of different music. Grateful to all.
Cheers

Well..

I even recognized a few of them. I enjoyed how they were folded in with the context of the posts in real time, sort of like a transition between songs. Well done, thoughtful and entertaining. Many thanks to the good doctor.

As you were.. back to your regularly scheduled Yellow Dog > Hard to Handle.

Daverock

Your post reminds me of the Harvard bar guy from Good Will Hunting. You know which scene I'm talking about - everyone's at the bar having a real hootenanny, and then the Harvard prick walks up and tries to piss on their good time by flexing the 'ol knowledge muscles. But the actual smart guy in the room calls him out as the needy attention prick he is. Sort of what happened with the comedy you started here today. The humor is Doc's reply and the joke's on you. You named one guy - William Blake - and he helps you out with a half dozen more: Oscar Wilde, Clare Booth Luce, Billy Wilder, Franklin Pierce Adams, and Andrew Mellon. I chortled when I read that. You ought to thank him for helping you out with a few others.

Doc's been gracing us with these fine bits of wisdom for months, but we haven't heard from you until today. Did you just figure out he's been quoting people? I'll let you in on a little secret - we already knew! I guess we're.....what? A room full of halfwits you wanted to bring up to speed when the light bulb went on this morning?

I've been reading posts from Doc and you for a few years, and trust me - the man doesn't need to quote anyone to write circles around you, 1971 or otherwise. He does it, I suspect, to entertain and to bring out our "inner-introspective" which I've found to be....a good thing. There is no better deed than to bring a good thing to someone's day.

Hey Doc

We need more people like you on this site, not less.

Hang in there.

1stshow

Sorry about that, I thought last night after I posted that you probably knew about the quotes. But I'd put my laptop away by then.

keithfan

You've come out fighting! I misinterpreted Ist show's comment about Doc's words of wisdom which he has rightly corrected me about, and which I have duly apologised for. I think you got a bit over emotional there.

I disagree Daverock

I disagree that anyone responded out of line. I think if this was the first time you "corrected" somebody than "it was a simple misunderstanding" would be fine. That is not the case. In the past several months you have crossed a line I have noticed on a few occasions and become argumentative about your opinions instead of respectfully disagreeing, and the thing is I noticed on these occasions that your negativity is not in response to something negative (in other words you seem to be the instigator). I thought to myself in the past, that was a little odd for Daverock, he is not usually harsh like that. If this were the first time, it would be tolerable but unacceptable still. Maybe you had a bad day is what I thought. Your comments yesterday were just flat out unnecessary and seem mean spirited. I am not sure where the misunderstanding was on your part, but it's not important now. Your apology came late and seems a little half hearted considering how many people spoke out against your posting. Now it seems you are trying to dismiss somebody's remarks about your behavior as overemotional it seems to me to deflect the spot light. Apologies do not come off as sincere when you shift the focus to someone else. Doc is well respected on these boards because he's a genuinely good guy and KF's reply is what you need to hear. I believe most people enjoy seeing you here (and I do too) but maybe lighten up on people a bit.

Dreading

It's your prerogative to disagree of course - bur my apology to 1stshow was sincere. I simply misinterpreted what he said as implying that he thought Doc's words of wisdom were his own.

My post didnt include any criticsm of Doc himself. I pointed out what is evident in his posts-that he quotes people without credting who, and that he knows a lot about 1971. I didn't say he necessarily should credit his sources, but in not doing so, he runs the risk of misleading people. This is what I, mistakingly as it happens, thought had happened. I went on to say in my original post that if he had mislead people, then I was sure it was unintentional.

Keithfan's post seemed more like a general attack on me, as he felt that I had attacked someone he respects. No harm done at all.

Whatsoever we beg of God, let us also work for it...........

Yo! Rockers!!

OMG PLEASE STOP!!!!

So that we may return to the usual nonsensical, often meaningless babble about our favorite garage band..........

Rock on,

Doc
I beg you take courage; the brave soul can mend even disaster.......(Catherine the Great)

Been away from this board for a few days....

....did I miss something?

El Paso chords 12-5-81

Forgot who recommended this show, but it's excellent. First time I noticed they changed the 2nd chord from a G major to a Em, to match Marty Robbin's version. When did they switch?? This kind of stuff keeps me up at night

chord and word changes

not sure about El Paso chord changes

I have wondered when the big change in lyrics of Comes a Time happened

"the words come out in an angry stream
you hear yourself say things you could never mean
the heat cools down
and you find your mind
you got a lot of words to stand behind"

or something close to that

those lyrics disappeared...when?

11/7/71

that would be a good release
but prolly no soundboard

1969, Dave.

1969.

Faceless words

I think we all know that the written word is easily open to misinterpretation, and that most communication is 'non verbal'. I'm sure if we were all sat around a campfire or wherever chatting most of the recent misunderstandings and upset wouldn't happen, or would be more easily sorted. I know i have both caused upset and been upset by comments on here.
So, please, take a couple of deep breaths if you're contemplating having a go at someone.
This is not the place
Thank you

Marty Robbins

In the late 90's when I was forced to listen to a country western FM station over the PA at work all day in a retail store I decided to call in a request during their "classic country" segment in the morning. Didn't know the artist, I told the DJ, but it's called El Paso. He thought that was a great classic and aired Marty right away. Next day I asked for Big River, which he also dug. After about a week of calling in GD country covers he asked where I got these and was I an old timer that remembered them from when they were new. When I told him that I was learning where these great Grateful Dead covers came from there was silence, then he thanked me politely for calling in. I tried a couple more times but clearly he was on to my radical hippy plot and my requests were ignored. But I did learn a lot! It also helped me listen for the modern rock guitar lines in what was passing for country then, and I did develop a taste for rockabilly too. Gotta make it somehow in the dreams you still believe in.
Cheers!

Cousins of the Pioneers: I have a "cousin" who is a masterful telecaster player for Marty Stuart Named "Cousin Kenny" Whitney. He is actually my ex-brother in law's cousin and has some solo work out there too. First saw him playing for Patty Loveless and much later for Lucinda Williams (replaced at times by Doug Pettybone, another great guitarist).

You will never regret being kind....

....I didn't write that. I don't know who did, so I will source it as from "anonymous".

Famous Quotes

"If you want something for nothing, jerk off": Bob Weir

Re: BTK

Ha.. that's a great one.

I see things are almost back to normal.. Good thing, I was getting ready to do my best Rodney Dangerfield.

Ok.. I have a little catch up to do and I really want to hit Dave's #40 again, then I plan to hit another listen to Listen to the River Sing Sweet Songs. Third try's a charm I say..

Bad musicians with nice guitars

I'm pretty sure ( fairly sure, anyway) that the first chord of El Paso is D . But I get a bit confused after that.

Jonah Hill inspiring story on playing Garcia in the biopic....

....google Yardbarker entertainment.

If You Boys Don't Stop Fighting

I'm going to send you all to rooms.

Everyone apologize to each other and get along!!!!!!!!!!!

You see, what we had here....

....was a ripple in still waters.

jeez....

Don't visit for a few days and lookey wha' happens...On the other hand a couple of days ago was my 52nd Anniversary of attending Altamont...sheesh...I was planning on heading to a biker bar in town and getting my ass kicked to commerate the day but some snow kept me from traveling....

Biker bar beatdown....

....Pee Wee's Big Adventure immediately came to mind.
"I'm trying to use the phone!"

Altamont

Nappyrags-you may well already have written about this in the past-in which case ignore me-but I wondered if it felt as ghastly being there as it looks in "Gimme Shelter." Granted, the cameras are focussed on the front of the stage, and the crowd looks like it stretches back into the distance, so for most people it may just have been like another festival. The lucky ones. A historic event, though, for sure.

Nappyrags...

you were at Altamont? Truly?

The actual event was probably different from the myth, but still...

Hey 1STSHOW70878...

Did you mean Cousin Kenny Vaughn perhaps? He's with Marty Stuart's aptly named Fabulous Superlatives. He's amazing! So is the rest of the band.

Al Pastor

D-> Em -> A in 3/4 hungry

That's it!

Duh! Yes Kenny Vaughn. I used my ex-brother in law's surname. Hadn't seen him since my sister's wedding where we were very long haired teen ushers when I got to see him play with Loveless in the early 90's. Then lost track of him again until I saw this skinny guy with Buddy Holley glasses tearing it up on Austin City Limits with Lucinda. A lot of paying his dues in Nashville before and in between. Not bad for a long haired rocker gone rockabilly! And Marty Stuart, I think named after Marty Robbins if I have that straight and no slouch himself on guitar, has really helped Cousin Kenny shine. Thanks!
My last 5? All Lucinda Williams (on Ytube) doing covers of Stones, Dylan, Clash, Bobby Gentry, et.al. She slays me.

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