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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • unkle sam
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    right on Daverock and JiminMD

    I didn't purchase the new box because of just that reason, the PNW box had some subpar moments and if I had known that they were going to rough patch portions of jams and add audience I would not have purchased it. Same with this box or any future box, if there is a patch or a not up to par recording, tell me, let me make an informed decision, not blow pretty colors up my butt and tell me that it's up there with GOAT. They can't all be GOAT, as the 30 trips box showed us. Someone asked for a multi track box, I'm down with that.
    Would love to get that 72 vinyl, anything Bear recorded is gonna be just exactly perfect and well worth the investment. Might just have to treat myself, after all, it is Halloween.

  • daverock
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    Cnkd - for me , Dave's talks would be more acceptible-nay, listenable - if he pointed out problems with recordings or performances, rather than go on about them as though they were all the equivalent of the second coming. Why not mention if a show has drop outs, or uses audience recordings at certain points? The only reason I can think of is that he fears some people wouldn't buy them if they knew what they were buying. Which is no basis for selling anything. Not mentioning problems leads to some people feeling they have been ripped off - as can be seen on this board.

    I feel the same way about discussing shows. I'm not really too keen on indiscriminate adulation - in any field by any person. I can't help it. I was dragged up. My favourite parks are car parks. Grass is something you smoke. Birds are something you shag. Take your "Year in Provence" and shove it up your ass. -That's the lyric to a song, incidentally - not a message to Cnkd!

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    Fingers crossed but not holding my breath.

    UPS tracking says “on the way” and “expected Friday 10/29” but there is no indication that it has been handed off to USPS yet, and the postal carrier for my neighborhood is already out doing the route.

    Maybe Saturday…..

    I think that UPS and USPS may be giving me more of a trick than a treat.

  • JimInMD
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    '73 Sound and Recent Precedents

    I haven't gotten to '73 yet, still on 10/18/72 but I hear what everyone is writing.

    The good, the bad and the ugly regarding releases the last 6+ years and I think this is what we will see going forward especially in box sets seems to be; when a stunning piece of music is considered it's not off limits to toss in a show or two with patches or periods where the sound is subpar. Thinking Portland 74 in the PNW Box, several shows from Boxzilla and the audience heavy matrix Dave's Picks that was Hartford '87. It seems they have a tentpole tolerance where if they toss in this killer quality tentpole segment we might be seeing another really good show with something that's not exactly perfect (cuts/patches/vocal dropouts/etc.).

    I have an opinion similar to DaveRocks on this. It more or less is what it is and I tend to get consumed by the good more than the bad or the ugly. 11/10/67 and similar shows carry the big box, the '74 China Riders alone carry the PNW box, etc. They keep the prices reasonable enough to make it justifiable, if they get the customer service and defect rates a little better under control it would synch the deal.

    My two cents, certainly subjective and open to interpretation. BTW, love the big box, PNW and St. Louis.. great investments in my current and future retirement mental health.

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    Conekid, you lucky guy with Dave's #40. I haven't even received a shipping notification yet.
    Winterland 73 and PNW 73 shows are A+.

  • icecrmcnkd
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    Daverock, in what way do feel that Dave has been ‘deceptive’?

    Pretty much everything that has been released so far, other than Warlocks 89, sounds better than what is freely available.
    Most shows are freely available to listen to, so listen to a show for free first, then decide if you want to buy it. That way you will know if the performance meets your expectations. That is definitely something that you could do for 5-26-77, since you said the other day that you didn’t think that it was worth buying.

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    Compare them to 10-19-73 Dick’s Picks 19.
    Same tour, don’t know if the same person recorded them as I’m at work and don’t have them with me.
    Also, compare them to the Winterland 73 Box.

    I might try to do some comparisons this weekend, but may not have time for 73 if DaP 40 arrives today as tracking suggests it might.

  • DeadVikes
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    Expectations

    For me expectations are always high for 73, because almost all of the other 73 shows released to date have been really good, maybe even some of the best releases to date.
    So when you have these shows mastered and Plangent is used you would expect them to sound similar to other 73 box sets or Dick's and Dave's from 73. They don't. Not talking about splices, or patches. I would call these recordings decent. Just listen to these two shows and than pick any November show as a comparison. I listened to 11/14/73 yesterday and it is still top notch.
    Anyway, just my opinion.

    Looking forward to a multi track box release for 2022.

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    UPS wrong charges

    If you are in the UK contact ukpostclear@ups.com to dispute the charges and include the Dead.net invoice in the e-mail.

    An acquaintance did this and got the following response from UPS (although it took about 3 weeks):

    "The shipper has declared an incorrect commodity code on the commercial invoice resulting in duty being applied at 12% to your goods. I will arrange for a reclaim of the duty and partial VAT as our broker should have checked this since the description of the goods did not match the code declared."

    If you are outside the UK then I guess you would need to contact your local UPS national charging centre to get it sorted out.

    Interestingly, mine arrived in the UK with no charges at all!!

    Correct charge should be 20% VAT (around UKP30) plus the unavoidable 11.50 UPS charge for collecting the cash.

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    UPS again- Caution! -1973

    Hi Tony and Happy Will,
    I phoned UPS yesterday, and after taking down all the details of my delivery, the advisor asked me to put the same information in an email to her. I did this, and got a reply this morning, thanking me etc etc, and telling me that my observation had been passed on to someone called " post clearance directly". She suggested I keep an eye on my emails for further information.

    The email she sent also came with a highlighted red message, saying "Caution! This email originated outside the organisation." and went on to advise me not to open ones with like this with attachments etc. Crikey.

    Regarding the sound of tne 1973 shows, I am personally quite happy, as the drop outs only occer on a couple of songs. They don't really affect my enjoyment of the whole. I do agree, though, that Dave could be a bit more open in his talks about these releases. They are not all pristine recordings of perfectly played shows, and Dave's presentation of them as though they are, robs what he says of all credibility. A little sincerity goes a long way. Loving everything is the same as loving nothing.

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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The dreaded double post

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Would of made sense. That’s the problem with only one box a year though.
I think they’d have no problem if the did a big un and a mini every year, but hey I’m a full on addict now ; )
One BIG box, one mini, 5 Dave’s, and another, low budget “cassette master” series, with the occasional stand alone.

There’s still at least hundreds of good shows, what are they waiting for, their market to be Dead…and I don’t mean gratefully ; )

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Just read on uncut that Pink Floyd has released 10 or so live shows from 1970 to 72. Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Obscured by Clouds covered. Awesome

I just went to the site and it didn’t mention the live shows.
But the most recent update, from yesterday, says that Pulse is coming out on BluRay 2-18-22.
Awesome, I have the DVD but have been wishing for a BluRay rerelease.
I saw the same show as on Pulse at the Pontiac Silverdome.

Edit:
Googled it and the live shows are currently only on streaming services.

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Yo! Rockers!!

Before anybody starts losing their mind over this....................

The Floyd shows just "released" on streaming sites are all widely circulated and have been for years. I should know, I have them all.............

These "new" releases are all audience recordings. Repeat---audience recordings, NOT soundboards.Not so bad for what they are, but if anybody was expecting better, sorry, no. And it's not clear that they used the best source material either. Best/worst example---the Montreux shows.

Guess they figured that if King Crimson can do it, so can we!!!

Have followed the Floyd taping/trading scene for decades. Soundboards are exceptionally rare, very little was actually recorded by the band. Alas, their best work, especially in the pre-DSOTM era, was never recorded professionally. I do have these "new" releases if anybody wants, but caveat emptor......

I say this as somebody who was very deep into Pink Floyd years before I got on the Dead bus....................

Rock on!!!

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Over the mountain watching the watcher
Breaking the darkness waking the grapevine
One inch of love is one inch of shadow
Love is the shadow that ripens the wine
Set the controls for the heart of the sun

A lot was released as part of the Box a few years ago. Maybe that was most of what they had?
I was able to get all the small Boxes that make up the big Box, except for the bonus material that came with the big Box. But, all the small Boxes were only about half the price, and I didn’t really need all the bonus schwag.
I recently watched all the video from those Boxes and there is some good stuff, but a lot of the 67,68 videos are them lip syncing to the studio recordings.

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Working my way slowly through the box, and finally just now hit disc two of the first '72 show. Whoa. The rippin' Cumberland, then the brain-melting Playin'! Then they open set two with a hot Greatest, then dial it UP a notch with a smokin' Don't Ease!

On top of this I've been listening for the first time to the shows I attended. My third, fourth, and fifth shows were 9/4-6/91, and I'll be DAMNED if they aren't REALLY HOT!

Have a Jerry Christmas, and a Happy New Weir!

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I still dip into this box-I played the first cd from 1970 only last night, which starts with the band playing Atom Heart Mother without the orchestra at Montreux and ends with the same piece live at the Beeb with the full monty.

The cds are much more satisfactory than the blu ray discs for me in this box, apart form the clips from 1966-1967 with the mighty Syd. The ones from 1968, with other band members lip synching to pre recorded playbacks of Syd Barretts songs are a bit ridiculous, unfortunately. They look embarrassed while they are doing it. As indeed they should.

I wonder if these new live Pink Floyd releases are radio broadcasts. We are inundated with them in Britain.

The blu ray of Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets looks tempting. Even if they are a cover band.

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thanks doc for the info, interesting that they would re release released live shows that are audience recordings. I also read that there was a change in the copy write laws in England and Europe and if you don't use it within 50 years, you lose it. Dylan released a bunch of stuff before the 50 year threshold was reached so I guess they just don't want their recordings going to public domain.
I have a couple of Pink Floyd shows that were released back in the 90's "Rhapsody in Pink" comes to mind. They don't sound so good. I stopped buying any of their live stuff due to the recording on that cd alone, pretty shitty.

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Yo! Floydians!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong........

If memory serves me well, those shows were never offically released in the USA. They are not true "line recording broadcast over the airwaves". Can't speak to the UK details......

Pretty much all of the high quality live stuff was released on the early box set. I think there's some tiny fragments of different stuff floating around, but otherwise that's about it for now........

Back in the day, almost no bands routinely recorded live shows unless they were preparing for live album releases. So what was preserved by the Dead was a major, major gift to history---and to us also.

Rock on rockets!

Doc
Following the path as it leads towards the darkness in the north
Weary strangers' faces show their sympathy
They've seen that hope before.............

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And good morning to you too Captcha. That was like 20 pictures for no apparent reason. Forgot what I was going to say.

I recently got the DSOTM remaster which has a 2nd CD with a live DSOTM from Nov. 1974 Wembly.
Sounds really good compared to the AUD recordings I have.

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Yo! Pinkies!!!

That Wembley "Dark Side show"---which had an Echoes encore----is from November 16, 1974, and was broadcast on the BBC. Echoes was later included as bonus material on the Early Years box set. Great stuff..........

Psychedelic rock on!!

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Summer evening birds are calling.
Children's laughter in my ears,
The last sunlight disappears.

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Psychedelic rock on indeed! If you are in any doubt - it's Keith Richards 78th birthday today.

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Not Just Keef's birthday but the late great Bobby Keys Birthday Anniversary too...crazy that these two share a birth date...

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Yes, well said - a major omission - Bobby Keyes birthday too.

I can't think of anybody else who embodies the joys of cocking a snook better than Keith Richards.

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“It’s time for young people to start thinking about the world they’ll leave for me and Keith Richards," sez Willie.

Keef reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns gets a physical and doctor tells him he has "everything": he has so many different diseases that they're all somehow in perfect balance. "So, what you're saying is, I'm invincible?" Burns replies.

Good ol' Keef. I loved him like a father, I loved him like a friend, I knew his time would shortly come, but I did not know just when.

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lol

Lions beat Cardinals
Wtf
Thats incredible

My son and I have an inside joke for lameness that has an inflection that must heard not written

but anyway

"Liiunz"

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Sweeney Todd had Shepherd's pie peppered with actual shepherd on top:-)

If I miss it,,,

Merry Christmas one and all.

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I just got around to listening to this all---I hope KeithFan is happy---Keith is all over this, both in his relative prominence compared to other recordings, and in the number of times he is given 'lead' while Garcia lays back or disappears. Much, much Keith, and in great form.

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Have a safe and enjoyable holidaze,
and a Festivus for the rest of us!

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with the "weeds of strength" "processed" through a metal pole

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Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

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Hope everyone here has a fine holiday whatever it is you do......now if you'll excuse me, It's just started snowing and I need to give my short ribs some love outside...

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But I'm cooking up spaghetti, and tri tips on the bbq. With lots of 1969/70 Dead & great blues music. Also lots of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout. Merry Christmas to all the great people here on the forum.

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Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

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To MaryE, for always being there.

To all the others, who make this such an entertaining place.

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...Happy Boxing Day!
Whenever 12/26 comes rolling around, I'm really missing the end of year runs. 12/26 & 12/27 1980 on today's schedule.

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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50 years ago today.....

December 31, 1971
Winterland, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Dancin' In The Streets-Mr. Charlie-Brown-Eyed Women-Beat It On Down The Line-You Win Again-Jack Straw-Sugaree-El Paso-Chinatown Shuffle-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Playing In The Band-Loser-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One-jam>Black Peter-Big River-The Same Thing-Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Casey Jones

This is deadicated to Scott Wiseman………

Ah, shut the f*ck up for a minute. What happened to the FCC…………..?

For years the Lanum FM was the only commonly circulating copy of this show, until Charlie Miller released his fine FM and SBD remasters in 2018. Both are recommended. And while this may not be a “classic show”, it is, like many Dead New Year’s shows, a “fun show”, and it does have its moments, especially the Dancin’ opener and the fine second set. A great way to end a great year of Grateful Dead music. But was it really the end of 1971………………?

The world in which we were called to exist was an absurd world, and there was no other in which we could take refuge…….

Rock on!!

Doc
That, for me, is the only real legacy: the idea that one has left a lingering trace in people's memories…..

Proudfoot, ein neuer Tag. Beautiful!
Jeder Tag ist gleich lang, aber unterschiedlich breit.
G.

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I learned that song in 1972 or 73 while we were living in West Deutschland for 18 months while my Dad worked at Max Plank institute in Heidelberg. I attended a Grundschule

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Doc, Thank you very much for your deadication to 1971. Many years ago, my collection of live Dead consisted of "Live/Dead" 2WS-1830, the 2 LP set; "self-titled" or "Skullfuck" 2WS-1835, the 2 LP set; and "Europe '72" 3WX-2668, the 3 LP set. Skullfuck seemed to be the best ticket for my entry into my understanding of the Grateful Dead and it still does. 1971 holds a special place in my heart and mind in so many different ways.
It is now the dawning hours of 2022 and "playing" the 50th-anniversary "game", 1972 comes into play and we will have many great Grateful Dead shows and that "Europe '72" 50th-anniversary thingy to commemorate. In 2011 the "Europe '72: The Complete Recordings" was issued.

Again, thanks for re-jogging my interest in '71 Dead!

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