Dave's Picks Vol. 40: Deer Creek Music Center, Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

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November 28, 2021 - 12:24pm

#391

Vguy72

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The Beatles suck??....

....da fuq?
On a side note, Watching the Dolphins/Panthers game, and Fox just played Estimated Prophet into commercial. 👍
November 28, 2021 - 10:49am

#392

daverock

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The Beatles weren't that bad

Sorry for kicking dirt in your face there Mr Ones. Very unintentional, I can assure you. Obviously, it's very much down to personal choice what music we like. I am sure more people would agree with you than me about post 1967 Beatles - which is fine by me. I always listen and watch with an open mind though - and it's doubtful I knew that "Get Back" had a poor reputaion when I saw it. I just found it - and the "Let It Be " album a bit depressing. I am sure I wanted to like it when I firts came across it. But I don't feel like watching it again now - how long do you think I'm going to live anyway? I always liked the second side of Abbey Road - but again, it doesn't sail as high as the mid 60s records in my estimation. But that's a subjective statement, not an objective one.

Incidentally, the blu ray film of The Beatles In India looks more like my cup of tea. There was a great documentary on televsion over summer on this subject, presented by and including music by Donovan. Now there's someone ripe for re-discovery.

That "Other One " jam at Paris 5/3/72 is something to behold. Amazing how they could so completely and succesfully re-invent this after they had already been so succesful exploring it from 1968-1970. This version is almost a different song from how they played it in the earlier years.
November 28, 2021 - 9:39am

#393

Mr. Ones

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The Beatles Suck??

Alright, huge disclaimer upfront: I am a Beatles fanatic. Bought my first Beatles record 56 years ago. Having said that, I would like to say this:
A narrative became a fact shortly after Let It Be was released to theaters in 1970. And that narrative was that this was the Beatles breaking up on film, and was full of unpleasantness. And that(based on 1 review?? 2, 4??) whatever the case may be. I had not seen the film myself between say 1996 and 2005. A friend sent me a nice print on DVD(it had never been officially released after a brief exception on Laser Disc & Video Tape). So before watching the movie in 2005, even I was prepared to see this horrible example of a beloved group breaking up. After viewing the movie, I was astounded to come away with the impression that I saw mostly joy in the film.
I believe ALL of this negativity was down to the 1 minute of film where George acts very snarky to Paul for trying to tell him how to play guitar. And yes, I think Paul was a pushy, opinionated ass sometimes, but he also drove the band forward when no one else was willing to do so.
And I don’t think anyone can honestly say that their final piece of work, Abbey Road, was a piece of crap.
So, the long standing negative vibes surrounding January 1969, at least as far as public opinion is concerned, is that it was a horrible time. It’s just not true. I challenge you to watch Let It Be, honestly, and say you came away with a negative vibe.
So yes, I am a little sensitive about this issue, and biased(as I stated upfront), but it’s amazing how a couple of negative reviews can become a fact of life for millions.
I have not seen Get Back yet, mainly because the Holiday weekend foiled all my plans to get together with friends and watch it together. But I am super excited to see it. I don’t believe Peter Jackson(NOT Disney!!) had to do any manipulation to create a false impression. He showed what the footage showed, plain and simple.
If you don’t like the Beatles, I am fine with that, to each their own(kind of like with the Dead and “eras”). And if you want to comment on the Get Back movie, maybe try watching it with an open mind first(can you do that?).
I really don’t care if people hate the movie, it just shows that nothing is loved by everyone.
Just please don’t dismiss something based on 51 year old reviews(which I believe are distorted) and try to either watch it with an open mind. Or how about this: Don’t watch it if you don’t want to. No one is being forced to watch this film.
Whew, I feel(a little) better!!
Peace to all, we like what we like and that’s definitely OK!!
November 28, 2021 - 7:13am

#394

JimInMD

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5/3/72

A great among the greats. It's been in rotation for more than a decade now. The key moments in the second set probably get four or more hits a year.
November 28, 2021 - 4:33am

#395

daverock

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Beatles Dead

Cnkd - I don't know if " Get Back" has been out dvd/video before - I think I saw it on televison in the mid 70's. Already, at that time, it felt like watching a documentary on ancient history. I used to watch and listen to everthing I could find on The Beatles ( among many, many other bands) at that time - but that one did seem like a monumental downer - the overall vibe, the mawkish songs..no, not for me - especially at that time with that mindset. Could have been my age when I saw it. If you have never seen it before, and you like The Beatles, it's probably worth watching though.

Crow-coincidence - I am half way through listening to that Olympia Paris show from 1972 on vinyl too. A great show with no filler. Even the less celebrated songs - Tennessee Jed, for example, are beautifully played. Whatever you pay for it, it's worth it.
November 27, 2021 - 7:43pm

#396

JimInMD

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"Legalize Pot, Queen Says No..."

I am quite enjoying this. No, it's no Revolver or Rubber Soul, but it takes a peek into the creative process of a creative band at the end of a great creative streak in a way that's not typically shown. Warts and all.. there's something there that's better left said than locked up another decade or five in a vault somewhere left unsaid and unseen.

Just my point of view, I could be wrong.
November 27, 2021 - 6:08pm

#397

icecrmcnkd

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Daverock, Crow, Beatles

You lived through it and already know the story.
Has this video been released before?
It’s not as disneyfied as you would expect, swearing and off language was not edited out.
Yeah, they smoke A LOT of cigarettes. I was wondering if they were smoking weed when the cameras were off.

I think that it is interesting to see this this footage of them, even if it is presented in a positive way.
Is it not accurate? I don’t know because I was still wearing diapers when it happened. But it’s interesting to see them read the reports and gossip about them in the newspaper and the story about them is an exaggeration from what was shown in the video. Maybe it really happened and the cameras didn’t record it.

I’m not a huge Beatles fan but I like watching vintage concert/studio video of them. I have Ron Howard’s documentary on BluRay. Interesting tidbit of info from there, at the Hollywood Bowl concert one of the screaming girls in the crowd is Sigourney Weaver, they interview her for the documentary.

Anyway, part 3 tonight which supposedly contains the entire rooftop concert which I want to see because I’ve only seen portions of it before.
November 27, 2021 - 5:31pm

#398

billy the kiddd

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Anniversary show 11 /28 /87. Warfield Theatre

34 years ago tonight, I was at the Warfield Theatre to hear Garcia kickoff the show with a great version of Swing Low Sweet Chariot. This was the 2nd show of a 3 night run, one acoustic set and 2 electric. Fun city!
November 27, 2021 - 1:40pm

#399

proudfoot

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11 18 72

Playin'

Excellent

Oregon v Oregon State on the telly
Playing at
AUTZEN STADIUM

memories light the corners of my mind
November 27, 2021 - 12:31pm

#400

Crow Told Me

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Disney Beatles

I really need to watch the movie before I pass judgment, and I will watch it, eventually. But I have to say I'm suspicious of what seems like a pretty blatant rewriting of history to give us a nice, family-friendly, Disney version of the Beatles break up.

Let It Be was Paul's baby, and it failed--by Beatles' standards, anyway. And the film that was issued at the time showed the reason why: the Beatles were barely speaking to each other, they could barely play together anymore, John and George had one foot out the door, nobody but Paul thought it was a good idea to try to write songs and record an album with a documentary team filming every cigarette and cup of tea and petty argument, and the music shows it.

Now here we are all these years later, John and George are dead, the footage gets sold to Disney, and now we get the Disney-fied version, where it's all sanitized for maximum profitability, and golly gee, now it looks like everybody was actually having loads of fun and everything was going great, and the Beatles story now has a happy ending! Yay! And look, Paul was the real leader of the group, just like he's often implied!

It's funny, but if the original film was such a horrible misrepresentation of what the whole experience was like for the band, nobody said so at the time. But Paul outlived John and George, so we get this Disney version of the latter day Beatles, something that probably would've never happened if John was around. Ah well, it's still probably fun just to see those guys in their prime, so I probably shouldn't be such a grouch about it. But like John said, just gimme some truth. No need to sugar coat it 50 years later.

Anyway ... on a cheerier note: I finally got my hands on a copy of the Olympia '72 vinyl thing via discogs. As much as I complain about GD stuff selling for astronomical prices on the secondary market, I finally found a copy that was only a few bucks more that it would've been if I'd managed to score one on Record Store Day, so I jumped on it. I think everybody here knows that show so I suppose there's no need to ramble on about how great it is. But it's really fucking great!!! EVERYBODY is playing well, everybody is in good voice, Pig's still a force, the audio is excellent, it's just fantastic. I wish it wasn't a limited edition so everybody could have this.

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18,000 happy Dead Heads could not be wrong. Deer Creek, my how you deliver.

We're closing the books on DAVE'S PICKS 2021 with not one but two - nearly - complete shows from Noblesville, IN 7/18/90 & 7/19/90. Yes, we've packed it all on four CDs, save for that second night encore which we promise you'll get to hear in the very near future. Sometimes there really is just too much good stuff.

For now, we'll invite you to cozy up with two exceptional back-to-back shows, shows with precision and clarity, shows with more than a lion's share of exploratory jams, and most importantly, shows that were simply a damn good time for all. Highlights from night one include the bookends of a spectacular "Help>Slip!>Franklin's" and an epically intricate "Morning Dew" followed by a classic cover of "The Weight." Night two, is the sleeper hit, with flawless playing from start to finish, the set list inviting you to find new favorites in top-notch renditions of "Foolish Heart" or "Victim Or The Crime," and if that's not one of the finest versions of "Desolation Row" Bobby ever did do! We would be remiss if we didn't mention that these shows were among Brent's last and they are some of his finest of the era at that.

Limited to 25,000 numbered copies, DAVE’S PICKS VOL. 40: DEER CREEK MUSIC CENTER, NOBLESVILLE, IN 7/18 & 19/90 was recorded by Dan Healy and has been mastered to HDCD specs by Jeffrey Norman.

Ah Stoltzie

4/24/72 RTR - the release that turned me into a casual Dead listener. Sugar Magnolia came on in the smoky basement of a home poker game shortly after it came out. I looked at the guy whose house we were at and said in a British accent "what's this mate?" And the rest was history. Still think it's the best version, but you know, you never forget your first Sugar Magnolia.

I'm with you on the 8/1/73, 6/10/73, and 11/19/72. I would add Chicago 7/25/74 to that list. Really want that last '74 Dark Star with the early Slipknot! after it.

Would still very much like the Boston Tea Party shows from the end of 1969 into New Year's. It's unreal how long a Dave's Pick 1969 drought it's been. Back to back Bonus Disc releases with 6 & 10, and then crickets for 8 years.

A few thoughts

7 25 74 yes KF agreed

Glad to have 2 23 74 coming our way

69 shows YES weeee neeeed moooore, Dave

Yesterday of all days

I drive home from Oregon in glorious GD goodness

Pick up son and his GF from airport on the way

Get to my house

Stove/oven and an electrical outlet not functioning

WTF

yin yang

For those with short memories

Trump was the one throwing millions at the drug companies in the2020with the instructions to get a vaccine now! What were the Dems doing? Saying it will never work, it will take 5 years blah blah. Harris claimed she would mess it up. Wtf he wasn’t developing it By the way I’m not anything close to a Trump supporter, as a matter of fact I resigned from the Republican Party in June 16 of 2016 when they nominated him. How many here left the Dems when they nominated a self entitled criminal in ‘16 or a clearly deficient old man in 2020. No just interested in historical accuracy

Best to all

Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

Snafu got into the brown acid

FDT

Meanwhile...

The gorillas at the zoo are cool

Canned heat

Try 1971 'whiskey and wimmen' with john lee hooker on harp and vocals. Happy holidays guys.

Alan Wilson…

On harp. JLH didn’t play harp and you can hear him in amazement as to how the Blind Owl can keep up

Snafu

I meant harmonica.

Christmas is the day that holds all time together.........

Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

Hooker 'N' Heat

That's an amazing album. Not very seasonal - but that version of "Burning Hell" is corrosive. John Lee talks about Pigpen inbetween songs, too-dissing his cooking. I presume that's the same Pigpen.

its Christmas

and I'm sure no one here wants to hear the ravings of a trumpian, so let's all be thankful that the orange loser is not in power anymore and be done with it.
The best xmas present ever, trump in jail.

Daverock

You are correct, sir. Canned/Hooker combination is sweet as honey. Hooker adds that voice that you can't find anymore. Legendary. It is going to be a long, long road to 74' winterland, and Baltimore. If you signed up for the early pigeon subscription, it is even that much better.

Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

Ok, everyone gave me enough amazon gift cards I was able to buy a copy of DP36 in vinyl. (missed it by this much when it came out!!) Just for argument sake it was 350 (new/unopened)

My question is how many of the dicks have been put out in vinyl? I have 8, 26, 19 and now 36. Am I missing any?

Hope everyone had a super Christmas and Santa left you everything you ever wanted!

Dennis: Dick's Picks Vinyl Question

I believe DP 1 though 5 have been reissued on vinyl.

Dicks Picks on vinyl

Dennis - I think 24 came out too-3/23/74. I am not 100% sure - I didn't get it. There was one from 1974 that I dithered about...and while I was trying to make my mind up, it disappeared off Amazon. Whichever 1974 show it was - the last time I saw it was on Discogs...for hundreds of pounds

Two cool shows ten years apart.

12/26/69 and 12/26/79

12-26-70...we were

At the El Monte Legion Stadium (of Frank Zappa fame) for the start of a three day run...one of those night's had an "Easy Wind" that was so good and powerful I thought the back wall of the arena was going to blow out...

12-26-79 DP 5

With the "Uncle John's" 2nd set sandwich is another fine listen for today...

El Monte December 1970

Now therez a box opportunity

Real Gone Dicks

DiP 19 recently came out on on vinyl Real Gone, and I grabbed me one. I think I kind of panicked.

Last year Real Gone put DiP 36, which is one of my 3-4 most favorite of the whole series, but money was tight, and I hesitated and it sold out and then I regretted it. So when they announced they were doing 19 I ordered it immediately, even though to me it's only a very good and maybe not great show. But I'm still glad to have it. Not sure how many others they've done on vinyl but they've done quite a number DiPs and Road Trips on seedy. It's worth it to subscribe to their email newsletter if you're looking for that stuff.

Just btw, I received a vinyl copy of the Goat Head Soup reissue for Xmas, and I'm enjoying it more than expected. I really only wanted it to get the 'Brussels Affair' live set, which is some of very best live Stones on record IMO, but the studio album is better than I remember. Lots of songs I'd forgotten all about (Winter, Silver Train, Hide Your Love) are actually really good. Also never noticed what a major contributor Bill Wyman was on that record: very melodic, tasty bass lines throughout. I'll say it again: to me, the Stones haven't sounded like the Stones since he retired. And of course the Brussel stuff is amazing.

Speaking of Real Gone Dicks: One thing thing that I'm pretty sure was just exactly as bad as I remember is 2020. I refuse to rise to the bait and try to list all the ways that **** failed to address the public health crisis that was killing thousands of Americans per day for months at a time. (Who has the time?) I'll just say this: if you're going say in the middle of a crisis "I take no responsibility," then you don't get to come back later and say "I want to take credit."

Giving 9 8 73 another try

No complaints

But

"Official release" worthy? Dick was keen on 9 8 73?

Ooooodd

Luckily we got the St. Louis box

12/26,27,28/70 Legion Stadium

Nappy, cool show, I've never heard these before. P.F., yeah these would make a great box set.

Crow

Thanks for finding the words. In it for a penny, in it for a pound.

Goats Head Soup

Check the liner notes on Goats Head. There ain't a Stones album from the Bill
Wyman era where he contributes less. Keith & Mick Taylor played bass on many
of the tracks. Apparently Wyman either wasn't invited those particular days or was
out sailing on his yacht ... An underrated effort by the Rolling Stones - last good
lp from the MIck Taylor era. Brussels is the live gold standard for the that line-up!

It’s Christmas

Not interested in the raving of haters on either side Trump or Biden/ Clinton

well said Crow

I love how you x'ed out its name lol.

Anniversary shows 12/27/79, 80, 81, 82,83

Big fun at the Oakland Auditorium and the S.F. Civic.

The Stones vs Mighty Baby

It;s a great album, Goats Head Soup - maybe not as funky as Exile, but the actual songs may be better in some respects. And The Brussels Affair is my favourite live album of theirs.

It's a pity Stones box sets always cost so much ( Black Sabbath's are even worse) When you compare the cost of a Stones box to the cost of, say, the 6 cd Mighty Baby retrospective, the latter works out about three times cheaper. And if you were to ask me which I played the most, the answer would be....The Mighty Baby.

Great Dead shows at Oakland December 1979. 12/26 and 12/28 are anyway. The 26th features maybe my favourite jam of theirs with Brent at the wheel.

The Stones Vs Mighty Baby

No contest. In my house Mighty Baby wins hands down. That's like Max Bygraves Vs Tom Jones.

Every so often...

I listen to So Many Roads release from...a while ago

I really like it

I would love another one like it

There must be a bunch of great music in shows that can't be released as full shows for whatever reasons

I'd buy it

Got a joke for ya

I AM AT AN AIRPORT!

Punch line....

....dealing with the airports these days.

So. Many. People.

Sooooo many.....people

And

OUR FLIGHT GOT CANCELLED.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Punch an airline in the nose today, kids!

Anniversary show 12/28/79

42 years ago today , I was at the Oakland Auditorium for a killer show with the good ole Grateful Dead, what a blast!

Major jeally btk

I have good memories of that show on cassette.

Been a Long Time

Listened to 12/29/77 DP 10 all the way through for the first time in ages . That is some quality Wolf era '77. Terrapin Station really rocks on this one.

The Brussels Affair is great. Ladies and Gentlemen...The Rolling Stones is also an outstanding must have from the Exile Tour the previous year (best of 4 shows) released as a movie. There are a few different songs and a few better performances (check out Happy, Tumbling Dice, Bitch, Love in Vain, Sweet Virginia, and Dead Flowers on L&G). The Blu-ray sounds much better than the CD because it 's in 5.1 Surround Sound. I think Keith's vocals are bit better on L&G as well. The Brussels Affair on the other hand has a Midnight Rambler and Can't Always What You Want that may be the live GOATs; then there's Dancin' with Mr. D and Heartbreaker live, which I find more raw and exciting than the studio versions. I'm going back to back on these now....

Re: Major Jello

Agree.. what a run. I have fond memories of this show on CD.

Jug of Love

I went back to that Mighty Baby box set, and it really is superb. I can't think of any other British band that could jam as freely as this, without reverting to blues rock. If, having already got the signature albums, you passed this by, Simon, I highly recommend it. Great to hear so much of that Glastonbury set from 1971 that was featured on one side of that album all those years ago. Its not Daves Pick standard sound wise, but its infintley better than that side on the Glastonbury L.P.
I never saw them live - but I did see guitarist Martin Stone during his brief time with the Pink Fairies. It was 1976. I was 19. I don't remember a darned thing about it.

Dead of the day -3/17/68 from 30 Trips. Grrreat. Lovelight, when it still sounded fresh, kicks things off in fine style. I've only played the first two songs, so the best is yet to come.

Anniversary show 12/28/83 S.F. Civic

38 years ago today, I was at the S.F Civic for a knockout show with the Dead. I put this show on my top 10 list of Grateful Dead shows I've attended. December, what a great month for Grateful Dead shows, I think they could put out a box set of December Grateful Dead year end shows : 12/68, 12/69,12/70, 12/71, 12/72, 12/77, and on and on.

McDonald and Giles

ring any bells?

"sunbells rain down in a liquid profusion"

BTK should be a vault release consultant

gotta check out that 12/28/83 sometime

R.I.P. John Madden

A Bay Area Legend, I was a huge fan of the Oakland Raiders back in the 1960s.

Last 4, all today

8-23-68 153116.8trackmix.gems (playing now, on Caution)
12-28-91 UM.144626.dm.miller
9-9-87 UM.106823.cm.miller
12-28-69 8999.cotsman

A grease sandwich with 2 anniversaries.

A raise of the glass to...

John Madden

A legend is a legend

sun bells rain down...

Looks like one of Peter Sinfield's pearls of wisdom - though I'm not sure he was on board that early on.
I do like the lyrics of some of the psych/prog rock bands from the late 60's early 70's. I was listening to the Tyrannosaurus Rex album "Prophets Seers and Sages The Angels of the Ages" yesterday - a sample of the words?-
"A cobra seer with the puntured ear
Slaughtered a Malayan Sun bear
Night stood erect with bronzen haunches
Zapped the seer gave the bear back to us."

Genius. They don't write 'em like that anymore.

Dave the Rock and lyrics

Reminded me a little the The Bewlay Brothers by Bowie.

Now there be some great lyrics they don't write anymore! :-)

Dennis - Bewley Brothers

That's a truly great song - one of Bowie's best. Both that, and the album that preceded it, "Man Who Sold The World" are full of strange and wonderful songs. I do like records that somehow manage to be both profound and absurd at the same time.

Phish had to cancel their NYE shows at MSG due to covid....

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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