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    What's Inside:
    7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
    Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
    Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
    Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
    Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
    Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
     
    Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

    Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
     
    LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
     
    The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
     
    The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
     
    All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
     
    Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
     
    Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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  • Oroborous
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    Hey Billy

    Did you ever see a Halloween show, and if so, stories?
    Did any y’all see any Halloween shows?

  • billy the kidd
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    Anniversary show 10/30/83. Marin Veterans Auditorium

    38 years ago today, I was at the tiny Marin Veterans Auditorium and having an absolute blast with the good old Grateful Dead. Before the show, we were all drinking beer and throwing a football around out in the parking lot, having a blast. We all dosed and went inside and it was fun city! We ran into a guy who was dressed like Ben Franklin, man that guy was funny, he had us busting our guts laughing. The Marin Vets only held about about 2000 people . The Dead played some really great places in 1983 and I saw them do a lot of great shows that year. Fun times, I miss them.

  • Oroborous
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    Like Keasey said

    about JG after he passed, he always ended on that little up note.
    So Big Kudos as always to Mr Smith, and hope you really enjoyed the shows!
    How bout some stories!

    And Kiethfan, agree on the rut roh post, that 10/24/71 is a real bobbie dazzler fo sho!
    And Thanks for the upright answer. I thought that was the case but being senile I was a bit fuzzy!

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    Opinions

    are like assholes, everybody has one.
    But that doesn’t make you right!

    I’ve never said that someone shouldn’t state an opinion, what I’ve always said, and usually tried to convey in my posts, even critical ones, is that there are different ways to do so, and that you don’t have to be so negative, disrespectful, or insulting about it.
    I intentionally made that post to illustrate how a small but vocal contingency here make some of us feel, over and over ad nauseam, about the same shit. BAD!
    Go back ten pages and reread. These people say little to nothing positive, it’s always just bitch, bitch, bitch, and heaven forbid you have a differing “opinion” because then they insult you.
    I’m not sure what I ever did to you Simon, but for years you have consistently insulted me damn near every time I have an “opinion”? Maybe that’s how you get off? So be it, whatever. You can shit on me all you like, it’s all good!
    Just like songs, there are so many awesome folks here who get it, that it’s easy to just skip the rest.

    I’m truly sorry if MY “opinion” differs from “yours” (no one in particular) and/or makes you uncomfortable.
    But fair is fair, if “you” (meaning no one in particular) can come on here damn near every day and post mostly negative “opinions”, well then I can come on here and say shitty stuff too!
    But is that what this place is for, about? Is that what we really want to come here for? Is everybody’s “opinion” really that important? The beauty of this little oasis we’ve created is to get away from all the ceaseless bitching and fighting and name calling of the “real” world. At least that’s my “opinion”!

    But since it seams that my “opinions” are so horrible and misunderstood, I must apologize for doing such a poor job, and thank those who stated basically the same thing I did, but in a acceptable way. Please find and read the following posts to (hopefully) understand what I was trying to say:

    Jiminmd: 10/29 7:34am
    Gratefulhan 10/29 7:22 (good luck by the way!)
    Crowtoldme 10/29 1:31pm (dug the old radio sound comment)
    Proudfoot 10/29 11:18am
    Conekid Always the voice of reason around here! Thank goodness for Conekid!
    10/29 6:27am, 6:36am, 10:52am, 3:24pm,
    10/30 8:20am
    And perhaps best of all,
    Kiethfan on 10/30 7:02am

    My understanding of what these, knowledgeable regular posters meant is that:
    It is what it is, and anyone who’s been an informed DH for more then ten minutes knows, and thus excepts, and understands caveat emptor etc, and that you are buying these for the music, not the technology. Though anyone who actually knows anything about the technology, knows these recordings are actually quite good all things considered, but are going to have flaws, patches etc,
    If that’s unacceptable, no problem, don’t buy it! And as far as the shows themselves, as Conekid correctly states, you can preview any show before hand.
    But that doesn’t mean you have to come on here and bitch about it, and ruin it for the majority of folks who are happy, or tolerable of the inherent flaws of the medium! Notice I didn’t say you couldn’t, just why bother?

    But please, take a few minutes and read what these folks say, which is generally what I was trying to say, but nobody insulted them?
    So could it be HOW I stated my “opinion”,?
    THAT is the point I’m trying to make, say what you want, but perhaps don’t be so caustic, and don’t be personal!
    And perhaps some of you could follow one of those rules we were taught as a youngster: if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything at all.
    I’m not promoting non critical cheerleader, everything is the goat bs. Hell that’s one of the things “I” don’t like about this place.
    I’m just SUGGESTING that if the only thing you come here to do is complain, perhaps take a deep breath and do something else.
    Or I guess more of us can just lurk, and eventually only a handful of people will participate, which will make this place pretty dull? Kinda like the “real” world where the same squeaky wheels never shut up and the rest just give up.
    Ok, go ahead and gang up on me and insult me some more for stating my “opinion”
    Kinda hypocritical eh?

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    Re: GHan

    I have it on good authority, Senator VGuy loves a good sip of tequila or two. :D I hear he is in Phish heaven at the moment.

    Congrats on getting in or staying in shape. It's an age defying adventure for the good of all of us.

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    Dissident

    Sent you a PM

  • Gratefulhan
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    That Mike

    Thank you! This is my third tournament of the year. I lost 30lbs for the last one. I managed to keep the weight off, but BJJ training is tough. I am 2 weeks shy of 48, I think overall I am in good shape. I have some injuries ailments that come up, but overall I love training and competing. Good times!

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    Replacement disk need

    Dave's Picks 1 ... my copy's disc 1 is degrading ... Promised Land will not play ... so I'm looking for any kind soul who might be able to help with such a problem ... just a clean copy of the music would be phenomenal if no one wants to part with the actual officially released Disc 1 ... thank you

  • billy the kidd
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    Anniversary show 10/30/84. B.C.T

    37 years ago today, I was at the B.C.T. having a blast with the the good ole Grateful Dead, stopped at Everett & Jones B.BQ down on San Pablo Ave after the show for some killer B.BQ. Great big fun!

  • Mr. Ones
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    Well……

    ……I was going to express an opinion, but y’all have already covered every base. JININMD, DAVEROCK, SIMONROB & KEITHFAN as per usual, have stated well thought out, logical and unassailable points of view.
    Actually, I was thinking while listening to the box(I have 1 show left), that IN GENERAL, the shows were a little disappointing, not from a quality of sound standpoint, but just from a lack of exceptional performance point of view.
    That would not have prevented me buying the box, I was just ever so slightly surprised. I firmly believe, that if there were no bad shows, we wouldn’t be able to truly appreciate a good show. And after all……

    MUSIC IS THE BEST!!

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What's Inside:
7 Previously Unreleased Complete Shows On 20 Discs
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/09/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 12/10/71
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/17/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/18/72
Fox Theatre, St. Louis, MO 10/19/72
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/29/73
Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, MO 10/30/73
Sourced from tapes recorded by Rex Jackson, Owsley "Bear" Stanley, and Kidd Candelario
Mastered in HDCD by Jeffrey Norman
Restoration and Speed Correction by Plangent Processes
 
Individually Numbered, Limited Edition of 13,000

Steamboats and BBQ, ice cream cones and Mardi Gras - are you ready to laissez les bons temps rouler with the "gateway" to the Grateful Dead? Meet us, won't you, in St. Louis for seven complete and previously unreleased Dead concerts that capture the heart of the band's affinity for the River City.
 
LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73 is a 20CD set featuring five shows from the Fox Theatre - December 9 and 10, 1971; October 17-19, 1972; and two from the Kiel Auditorium - October 29 and 30, 1973. 
 
The seven shows in the collection span slightly less than two years, but they represent some of the best shows the Grateful Dead played during some of its peak tours. The music tells the story of a band evolving, changing from one sound to another seamlessly, precipitated – in large part – by significant personnel changes in the Dead’s lineup.
 
The two 1971 shows feature the original Grateful Dead lineup plus newcomer Keith Godchaux on piano. This version of the band would hold together for the next six months as the Dead embarked upon its Europe ’72 tour. By the time the Dead returned to the Fox Theatre less than a year later, they were without Pigpen, who’d played his final show with the Dead at the Hollywood Bowl on June 17, 1972. A year after the exceptional Fox 1972 shows, the Dead came back to St. Louis, but played the much larger Kiel Auditorium, touring behind the release of WAKE OF THE FLOOD, which came out just two weeks before.
 
All told, the band played 60 different songs during these shows highlighted by blazing romps through “Beat It On Down The Line” and “One More Saturday Night” and wistful takes on “Row Jimmy” and “Brokedown Palace” (whose lyrics give the collection its name). Meanwhile, the copious jamming ebbed and flowed like the mighty Mississippi River on multiple voyages through “The Other One” and “Dark Star.” Naturally, the band paid tribute to one of its favorite rock and rollers and one of St. Louis’ biggest stars by playing Chuck Berry songs at every show in the collection, including Pigpen galloping through “Run Rudolph Run.”  
 
Each show has been restored and speed corrected using Plangent Processes with mastering by Jeffrey Norman. The collection comes in a slipcase with artwork by Liane Plant and features an 84-page hardbound book as well as other Dead surprises. To set the stage for the music, the liner notes provide several essays about the shows, including one by Sam Cutler, the band’s tour manager during that era, and another by Grateful Dead scholar Nicholas G. Meriwether, among others. 
 
Due October 1st, LISTEN TO THE RIVER: ST. LOUIS ’71 ’72 ’73, is limited to 13,000 individually numbered copies and available exclusively from Dead.net.

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The dreaded double post

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Would of made sense. That’s the problem with only one box a year though.
I think they’d have no problem if the did a big un and a mini every year, but hey I’m a full on addict now ; )
One BIG box, one mini, 5 Dave’s, and another, low budget “cassette master” series, with the occasional stand alone.

There’s still at least hundreds of good shows, what are they waiting for, their market to be Dead…and I don’t mean gratefully ; )

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Just read on uncut that Pink Floyd has released 10 or so live shows from 1970 to 72. Atom Heart Mother, Meddle and Obscured by Clouds covered. Awesome

I just went to the site and it didn’t mention the live shows.
But the most recent update, from yesterday, says that Pulse is coming out on BluRay 2-18-22.
Awesome, I have the DVD but have been wishing for a BluRay rerelease.
I saw the same show as on Pulse at the Pontiac Silverdome.

Edit:
Googled it and the live shows are currently only on streaming services.

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Yo! Rockers!!

Before anybody starts losing their mind over this....................

The Floyd shows just "released" on streaming sites are all widely circulated and have been for years. I should know, I have them all.............

These "new" releases are all audience recordings. Repeat---audience recordings, NOT soundboards.Not so bad for what they are, but if anybody was expecting better, sorry, no. And it's not clear that they used the best source material either. Best/worst example---the Montreux shows.

Guess they figured that if King Crimson can do it, so can we!!!

Have followed the Floyd taping/trading scene for decades. Soundboards are exceptionally rare, very little was actually recorded by the band. Alas, their best work, especially in the pre-DSOTM era, was never recorded professionally. I do have these "new" releases if anybody wants, but caveat emptor......

I say this as somebody who was very deep into Pink Floyd years before I got on the Dead bus....................

Rock on!!!

Doc
Over the mountain watching the watcher
Breaking the darkness waking the grapevine
One inch of love is one inch of shadow
Love is the shadow that ripens the wine
Set the controls for the heart of the sun

A lot was released as part of the Box a few years ago. Maybe that was most of what they had?
I was able to get all the small Boxes that make up the big Box, except for the bonus material that came with the big Box. But, all the small Boxes were only about half the price, and I didn’t really need all the bonus schwag.
I recently watched all the video from those Boxes and there is some good stuff, but a lot of the 67,68 videos are them lip syncing to the studio recordings.

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Working my way slowly through the box, and finally just now hit disc two of the first '72 show. Whoa. The rippin' Cumberland, then the brain-melting Playin'! Then they open set two with a hot Greatest, then dial it UP a notch with a smokin' Don't Ease!

On top of this I've been listening for the first time to the shows I attended. My third, fourth, and fifth shows were 9/4-6/91, and I'll be DAMNED if they aren't REALLY HOT!

Have a Jerry Christmas, and a Happy New Weir!

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I still dip into this box-I played the first cd from 1970 only last night, which starts with the band playing Atom Heart Mother without the orchestra at Montreux and ends with the same piece live at the Beeb with the full monty.

The cds are much more satisfactory than the blu ray discs for me in this box, apart form the clips from 1966-1967 with the mighty Syd. The ones from 1968, with other band members lip synching to pre recorded playbacks of Syd Barretts songs are a bit ridiculous, unfortunately. They look embarrassed while they are doing it. As indeed they should.

I wonder if these new live Pink Floyd releases are radio broadcasts. We are inundated with them in Britain.

The blu ray of Nick Mason's Saucerful of Secrets looks tempting. Even if they are a cover band.

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thanks doc for the info, interesting that they would re release released live shows that are audience recordings. I also read that there was a change in the copy write laws in England and Europe and if you don't use it within 50 years, you lose it. Dylan released a bunch of stuff before the 50 year threshold was reached so I guess they just don't want their recordings going to public domain.
I have a couple of Pink Floyd shows that were released back in the 90's "Rhapsody in Pink" comes to mind. They don't sound so good. I stopped buying any of their live stuff due to the recording on that cd alone, pretty shitty.

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Yo! Floydians!!!

Correct me if I'm wrong........

If memory serves me well, those shows were never offically released in the USA. They are not true "line recording broadcast over the airwaves". Can't speak to the UK details......

Pretty much all of the high quality live stuff was released on the early box set. I think there's some tiny fragments of different stuff floating around, but otherwise that's about it for now........

Back in the day, almost no bands routinely recorded live shows unless they were preparing for live album releases. So what was preserved by the Dead was a major, major gift to history---and to us also.

Rock on rockets!

Doc
Following the path as it leads towards the darkness in the north
Weary strangers' faces show their sympathy
They've seen that hope before.............

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And good morning to you too Captcha. That was like 20 pictures for no apparent reason. Forgot what I was going to say.

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Yo! Pinkies!!!

That Wembley "Dark Side show"---which had an Echoes encore----is from November 16, 1974, and was broadcast on the BBC. Echoes was later included as bonus material on the Early Years box set. Great stuff..........

Psychedelic rock on!!

Doc
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Summer evening birds are calling.
Children's laughter in my ears,
The last sunlight disappears.

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Psychedelic rock on indeed! If you are in any doubt - it's Keith Richards 78th birthday today.

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Not Just Keef's birthday but the late great Bobby Keys Birthday Anniversary too...crazy that these two share a birth date...

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Yes, well said - a major omission - Bobby Keyes birthday too.

I can't think of anybody else who embodies the joys of cocking a snook better than Keith Richards.

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“It’s time for young people to start thinking about the world they’ll leave for me and Keith Richards," sez Willie.

Keef reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Mr Burns gets a physical and doctor tells him he has "everything": he has so many different diseases that they're all somehow in perfect balance. "So, what you're saying is, I'm invincible?" Burns replies.

Good ol' Keef. I loved him like a father, I loved him like a friend, I knew his time would shortly come, but I did not know just when.

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lol

Lions beat Cardinals
Wtf
Thats incredible

My son and I have an inside joke for lameness that has an inflection that must heard not written

but anyway

"Liiunz"

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Sweeney Todd had Shepherd's pie peppered with actual shepherd on top:-)

If I miss it,,,

Merry Christmas one and all.

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I just got around to listening to this all---I hope KeithFan is happy---Keith is all over this, both in his relative prominence compared to other recordings, and in the number of times he is given 'lead' while Garcia lays back or disappears. Much, much Keith, and in great form.

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Have a safe and enjoyable holidaze,
and a Festivus for the rest of us!

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with the "weeds of strength" "processed" through a metal pole

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Hi all, I just wanted to wish all you grate people on this forum the best of christmases, restful holidays, and a wonderful, safe and healthy new year!

I've said this before, but it bears repeating: I really enjoy the conversations here, I learn a lot about other music to check out, and I feel like this is a place where there is interesting, informed conversation about the best band in the world, and my favorite band. Thanks, all!

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Hope everyone here has a fine holiday whatever it is you do......now if you'll excuse me, It's just started snowing and I need to give my short ribs some love outside...

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But I'm cooking up spaghetti, and tri tips on the bbq. With lots of 1969/70 Dead & great blues music. Also lots of Old Rasputin Russian Imperial Stout. Merry Christmas to all the great people here on the forum.

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Yo! Rockers!!!!

Christmas is the spirit of giving without a thought of getting. So if anybody out there needs some 1971 Christmas joy in their stocking, you know where to find me! The excellence of a gift lies in its appropriateness rather than in its value........

Christmas to a child is the first terrible proof that to travel hopefully is better than to arrive.........

Happy and safe holidays to all, and rock on!!

Doc
Christmas is a season for kindling the fire for hospitality in the hall, the genial flame of charity in the heart......

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To MaryE, for always being there.

To all the others, who make this such an entertaining place.

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...Happy Boxing Day!
Whenever 12/26 comes rolling around, I'm really missing the end of year runs. 12/26 & 12/27 1980 on today's schedule.

....but, lo and behold, they are going to play a 3 set show on NYE without an audience on their app and YouTube channel. Starts at 5:30 pm EST sharp.
Did I mention its free??
Pardon my French, but that's pretty fucking cool of the band. They remind me a lot of the Grateful Dead in that they just want to play. And appreciate their phans which is payed forward.
Oh, and it might snow in Vegas tomorrow lol.

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50 years ago today.....

December 31, 1971
Winterland, San Francisco, California

Set 1: Dancin' In The Streets-Mr. Charlie-Brown-Eyed Women-Beat It On Down The Line-You Win Again-Jack Straw-Sugaree-El Paso-Chinatown Shuffle-Tennessee Jed-Mexicali Blues-China Cat Sunflower>I Know You Rider-Next Time You See Me-Playing In The Band-Loser-One More Saturday Night

Set 2: Truckin'>drums>The Other One>Me And My Uncle>The Other One-jam>Black Peter-Big River-The Same Thing-Ramble On Rose-Sugar Magnolia-Not Fade Away>Goin' Down The Road Feeling Bad>Not Fade Away

Encore: Casey Jones

This is deadicated to Scott Wiseman………

Ah, shut the f*ck up for a minute. What happened to the FCC…………..?

For years the Lanum FM was the only commonly circulating copy of this show, until Charlie Miller released his fine FM and SBD remasters in 2018. Both are recommended. And while this may not be a “classic show”, it is, like many Dead New Year’s shows, a “fun show”, and it does have its moments, especially the Dancin’ opener and the fine second set. A great way to end a great year of Grateful Dead music. But was it really the end of 1971………………?

The world in which we were called to exist was an absurd world, and there was no other in which we could take refuge…….

Rock on!!

Doc
That, for me, is the only real legacy: the idea that one has left a lingering trace in people's memories…..

Proudfoot, ein neuer Tag. Beautiful!
Jeder Tag ist gleich lang, aber unterschiedlich breit.
G.

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I learned that song in 1972 or 73 while we were living in West Deutschland for 18 months while my Dad worked at Max Plank institute in Heidelberg. I attended a Grundschule

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Doc, Thank you very much for your deadication to 1971. Many years ago, my collection of live Dead consisted of "Live/Dead" 2WS-1830, the 2 LP set; "self-titled" or "Skullfuck" 2WS-1835, the 2 LP set; and "Europe '72" 3WX-2668, the 3 LP set. Skullfuck seemed to be the best ticket for my entry into my understanding of the Grateful Dead and it still does. 1971 holds a special place in my heart and mind in so many different ways.
It is now the dawning hours of 2022 and "playing" the 50th-anniversary "game", 1972 comes into play and we will have many great Grateful Dead shows and that "Europe '72" 50th-anniversary thingy to commemorate. In 2011 the "Europe '72: The Complete Recordings" was issued.

Again, thanks for re-jogging my interest in '71 Dead!

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